Has anyone here had an NDE? or know anyone else wo has?

bob(from black rock) said:

Has anyone here had an NDE? or know anyone else wo has?

Very nearly drowned once.

I was very close to being killed during the Canberra Hospital implosion (sic), but I suspect that is not what you mean :)

I haven’t, but a really interesting book around the topic is this one:

http://www.maryroach.net/spook.html

It’s easy to read, but has references for each chapter so you can read further if you want to. Chapter 12 “Six feet over” is particularly about NDE.

PermeateFree said:

bob(from black rock) said:

Has anyone here had an NDE? or know anyone else wo has?

Very nearly drowned once.

Do you remember much of it? did you have an “out of body experience?

Yes. A hairdresser once told me that she had an asthma attack during a knee operation. She was only about 16yo at the time and I asked her whether she could remember anything from that event. Expecting her to say that she was gasping for air etc., I was shocked when she told me that she had seen her grandparents and the usual white light thingy. All was going well, but then they all started chanting “Go back … Go back … Go back …”.

Another person I know had a near drowning and, after a close relative of mine drowned, he explained to me that he didn’t think drowning was all that bad. Although this may not qualify as an NDE, he said that after the initial panic and struggle, eventually he felt calm and at great peace, unlike anything he has ever experienced. Thankfully, a wave washed him onto a rock shelf at around the same time.

buffy said:

I haven’t, but a really interesting book around the topic is this one:

http://www.maryroach.net/spook.html

It’s easy to read, but has references for each chapter so you can read further if you want to. Chapter 12 “Six feet over” is particularly about NDE.

And if no references, try google. Wiki usually has heaps of references, more than enough for anyone, or at least those genuinely interested.

bob(from black rock) said:

PermeateFree said:

bob(from black rock) said:

Has anyone here had an NDE? or know anyone else wo has?

Very nearly drowned once.

Do you remember much of it? did you have an “out of body experience?

Yes I do remember a great deal, I got hooked on a shark line, although never completely lost consciousness, but ended up feeling like a lifeless rag doll after the event.

Speedy said:

Yes. A hairdresser once told me that she had an asthma attack during a knee operation. She was only about 16yo at the time and I asked her whether she could remember anything from that event. Expecting her to say that she was gasping for air etc., I was shocked when she told me that she had seen her grandparents and the usual white light thingy. All was going well, but then they all started chanting “Go back … Go back … Go back …”.

Another person I know had a near drowning and, after a close relative of mine drowned, he explained to me that he didn’t think drowning was all that bad. Although this may not qualify as an NDE, he said that after the initial panic and struggle, eventually he felt calm and at great peace, unlike anything he has ever experienced. Thankfully, a wave washed him onto a rock shelf at around the same time.

I remember when I thought I was at the end, I too was not frightened, but thought ‘what a stupid way to go.’

If you’re really interested in the topic, you may like to read Proof of Heaven. A friend of mine, who has lymphoma lent me her copy. She said that the fact that Alexander was a neurosurgeon provided no further credibility for her, but that for her the book was a confirmation of what she knew. I don’t think that she has had an NDE herself, but has experienced numerous other events which have made her quite “spiritual”.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eben_Alexander_(author)

Alexander is the author of the 2012 autobiographical book Proof of Heaven: A Neurosurgeon’s Journey into the Afterlife, in which he asserts that his out of body and near death experience (NDE) while in a meningitis-induced coma in 2008 proves that consciousness is independent of the brain, that death is an illusion, and that an eternity of perfect splendor awaits us beyond the grave – complete with angels, clouds, and departed relatives, but also including butterflies and a beautiful girl in peasant dress who Alexander finds out later was his departed sister. According to him, the current understanding of the mind

“now lies broken at our feet “— for “What happened to me destroyed it, and I intend to spend the rest of my life investigating the true nature of consciousness and making the fact that we are more, much more, than our physical brains as clear as I can, both to my fellow scientists and to people at large.”

I’ve read that. It was interesting but I’m not convinced that his experience was NDE; likely the bacteria messing with his brain function.

Divine Angel said:

I’ve read that. It was interesting but I’m not convinced that his experience was NDE; likely the bacteria messing with his brain function.

Well if he was near death, and that is what he experienced, then it was a NDE, but I’m surprised a neurosurgeon would see it as anything other than illusions generated by the brain.

The Rev Dodgson said:

I’m surprised a neurosurgeon would see it as anything other than illusions generated by the brain.

I’m surprised at that too.

I was using NDE in the same sense that UFO = alien spaceship.

Divine Angel said:

I’ve read that. It was interesting but I’m not convinced that his experience was NDE; likely the bacteria messing with his brain function.

Yes, I too read the book and like you, found it interesting. He does explain why he thinks that his experience could not have been due to random electrical brain activity etc, and why he thinks that his experience was quite different to most other NDEs. Although I am not convinced by the book, it is still very much worth the read for someone interested in exploring this topic.

Divine Angel said:

I was using NDE in the same sense that UFO = alien spaceship.

Shame on you :)

Lots of research references here:

http://www.hon.ch/HONcode/Search/search.html?cref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hon.ch%2FCSE%2FHONCODE%2Fcontextlink.xml&q=near+death+experience&sa=Search&hl=en&cof=FORID%3A11

i’m sure a lot of things die, while they are in close proximity to me

I’ve had a NDE.
No fancy white light, no voices, just went to sleepone night and woke up to a nurse jumping up and down on my chest.

Bit of a disappointment really.

>>>I’ve had a NDE
No fancy white light, no voices, just went to sleep
one night and woke up to a nurse jumping up and down on my chest.
<<

I’ve had fantasies where the same occured

The_observer said:

>>>I’ve had a NDE
No fancy white light, no voices, just went to sleep
one night and woke up to a nurse jumping up and down on my chest.
<<

I’ve had fantasies where the same occured

how many of your ribs did he crack in your fantasy?

>>>how many of your ribs did he crack in your fantasy?
<<<

oh, none, I’m not into anything too kinky

I’ve had a few near life experiences

possibly

the first time was the confirmation of a recurring dream I had periodically over my childhood as I lay all fucked up with no one giving a fuck and being in incredible pain and suffering

We will all have a near death experience just before we cark it

if its any consolation for anyone i deeply suspect that when you go, you won’t know it, the world slowly fades away and everything that you know and has been just slips away into insignificance

wookiemeister said:

if its any consolation for anyone i deeply suspect that when you go, you won’t know it, the world slowly fades away and everything that you know and has been just slips away into insignificance

I’ve seen things you people wouldn’t believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.

Skunkworks said:

wookiemeister said:

if its any consolation for anyone i deeply suspect that when you go, you won’t know it, the world slowly fades away and everything that you know and has been just slips away into insignificance

I’ve seen things you people wouldn’t believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.

you’d be amazed at what you see on off world

I am currently approaching my death at the rate of one second per second.

But yeah I’ve had an NDE when I was about 18 I think.
Just finished having a shower and then started to get a really bad pain in my chest. It then started to creep down my left arm so we hopped into the car and made a dash for the hospital. It got worse on the way and I was thinking that I wasn’t going to make it.
Anyway it turned out to be just an oddball rib infection of some sort I think.
Pretty sure I didn’t die anyway, if this is the afterlife it’s pretty sucky.

epifanny

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epiphany_(feeling)

Not sure whether this qualifies as a NDE.

When I was about 4 I passed out while cooking porridge. While unconscious I was visited by an angel, a creature of such transcendent beauty that the word “beauty” is woefully inadequate to describe it. The angel held out a hand in invitation without speaking. Somehow I was aware that if I took the hand I wouldn’t be coming back. I chose to come back. When I regained consciousness I found that my mother had sat me up in a chair.

It was probably an hallucination. Since I was sitting, my brain was starved of oxygen, and hallucinations are common under those circumstances.

Spiny Norman said:

Pretty sure I didn’t die anyway, if this is the afterlife it’s pretty sucky.

More a sort of après vie.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Spiny Norman said:

Pretty sure I didn’t die anyway, if this is the afterlife it’s pretty sucky.

More a sort of après vie.

I’m hedging my bets, it could be just an early beta version.

I went to Canberra once.

Soso said:

I went to Canberra once.

making some easy money washing car windows?

wookiemeister said:

Soso said:

I went to Canberra once.

making some easy money washing car windows?

I liked Canberra. The windscreen washers are a PITA though. If you keep regular hours you usually meet the same ones. It takes them a while to realise the jerk in the white Mazda doesn’t pay otherwise I would be taxed every morning and evening.

Skunkworks said:

wookiemeister said:

Soso said:

I went to Canberra once.

making some easy money washing car windows?

I liked Canberra. The windscreen washers are a PITA though. If you keep regular hours you usually meet the same ones. It takes them a while to realise the jerk in the white Mazda doesn’t pay otherwise I would be taxed every morning and evening.

I kept going around in circles.

PermeateFree said:

Skunkworks said:

wookiemeister said:

making some easy money washing car windows?

I liked Canberra. The windscreen washers are a PITA though. If you keep regular hours you usually meet the same ones. It takes them a while to realise the jerk in the white Mazda doesn’t pay otherwise I would be taxed every morning and evening.

I kept going around in circles.

I keep hearing that but cannot understand it. It has to be the easiest city to navigate around, not big, good roads, logical and well sign posted. Sydney, now that is a drama to navigate. Or even Melbourne. God bless Tomtom.

Skunkworks said:

PermeateFree said:

Skunkworks said:

I liked Canberra. The windscreen washers are a PITA though. If you keep regular hours you usually meet the same ones. It takes them a while to realise the jerk in the white Mazda doesn’t pay otherwise I would be taxed every morning and evening.

I kept going around in circles.

I keep hearing that but cannot understand it. It has to be the easiest city to navigate around, not big, good roads, logical and well sign posted. Sydney, now that is a drama to navigate. Or even Melbourne. God bless Tomtom.

Maybe once you get used to it, but to a visitor it is very confusing and not logical when trying to get from point A to point B.

PermeateFree said:

Maybe once you get used to it, but to a visitor it is very confusing and not logical when trying to get from point A to point B.

I may be a bit unusual, before navmans etc if I was going to an unknown destination I would give the map a flogging the day before and write myself a little route map. I don’t like being lost or late.

PermeateFree said:

Maybe once you get used to it, but to a visitor it is very confusing and not logical when trying to get from point A to point B.

It is a well laid out city with plain arterials, if you cannot navigate around Canberra whih is basically a big planned country town then you will have no hope in any other city or indeed most suburbs.

Skunkworks said:

PermeateFree said:

Maybe once you get used to it, but to a visitor it is very confusing and not logical when trying to get from point A to point B.

I may be a bit unusual, before navmans etc if I was going to an unknown destination I would give the map a flogging the day before and write myself a little route map. I don’t like being lost or late.

That is all well and good, but must you do that with every large town when travelling further afield? I only stayed for a couple of days to see the main National attractions like the War Museum, so did not labour over maps to the extent of being able to move around Canberra blindfold. Even with maps, it was still confusing moving from one place to another. Normally one travels roughly north, south, east or west, but this not the case in Canberra.

Skunkworks said:

PermeateFree said:

Maybe once you get used to it, but to a visitor it is very confusing and not logical when trying to get from point A to point B.

It is a well laid out city with plain arterials, if you cannot navigate around Canberra whih is basically a big planned country town then you will have no hope in any other city or indeed most suburbs.

You have obviously never tried to pass through Adelaide.

PermeateFree said:

That is all well and good, but must you do that with every large town when travelling further afield? I only stayed for a couple of days to see the main National attractions like the War Museum, so did not labour over maps to the extent of being able to move around Canberra blindfold. Even with maps, it was still confusing moving from one place to another. Normally one travels roughly north, south, east or west, but this not the case in Canberra.

Meh, the labour as you say is much easier to figure in Canberra than Sidney. And if you cannot navigate to the War Memorial…there is one main drag into Canberra, from both directions, the memorial is on a side road parallel to the main drag so turn left or right depending if you are coming from north or south and follow the brazzillion signs.

PermeateFree said:

Skunkworks said:

PermeateFree said:

Maybe once you get used to it, but to a visitor it is very confusing and not logical when trying to get from point A to point B.

It is a well laid out city with plain arterials, if you cannot navigate around Canberra whih is basically a big planned country town then you will have no hope in any other city or indeed most suburbs.

You have obviously never tried to pass through Adelaide.

I have been in Adelaide, and navigating there was much like anywhere else, and as for pass through, I try to avoid cities in road trips. Even if there is a potential time game I will avoid lights and go a longer less stressful route.

Skunkworks said:

PermeateFree said:

That is all well and good, but must you do that with every large town when travelling further afield? I only stayed for a couple of days to see the main National attractions like the War Museum, so did not labour over maps to the extent of being able to move around Canberra blindfold. Even with maps, it was still confusing moving from one place to another. Normally one travels roughly north, south, east or west, but this not the case in Canberra.

Meh, the labour as you say is much easier to figure in Canberra than Sidney. And if you cannot navigate to the War Memorial…there is one main drag into Canberra, from both directions, the memorial is on a side road parallel to the main drag so turn left or right depending if you are coming from north or south and follow the brazzillion signs.

Well you are obviously a devout Canberrian, but please accept from outsiders than it is a confusing city to move around. Perhaps you should get out more to compare, but I admit more directional signs are required in all our cities to enable people to locate the arterial roads.

bob(from black rock) said:

Has anyone here had an NDE? or know anyone else wo has?

I nearly died yesterday. “Before Sunset” starring Ethan Hawke and Julie Delpy was on TV and it took me 25, maybe 28 seconds to find the remote. I’ll keep checking my signs over the next few days but I think I’ll be okay.

> Has anyone here had an NDE? or know anyone else who has?

Nineteen years ago I had what is commonly terms a “near-death-experience” without being anywhere near death. This convinced me that what is commonly called a near-death-experience is in fact caused by extreme emotional disturbance – particularly fear such as fear of death. At a mental hospital shortly after this I met another person who had also had a NDE without being anywhere near death. Both of us had been extremely emotionally disturbed at the time of the NDE.

In my case, following extreme grief after the death of my daughter I was conducting a psychological experiment on myself by using physical action (pounding a pillow while kneeling) together with the mental discipline of following the path of my greatest fear. After a time that led me to visual images with eyes closed, which I let happen without directing them. The NDE in question involved approaching what first appeared to be a waterspout or tornado vortex although there was no sensation of it rotating. I went down the core of that, through what is called in NDE terms the “tunnel of death”. At the end of the “tunnel of death” I passed through suddenly into a region of extreme peace.

Within that region of extreme peace I met Jesus. I can describe what Jesus looked like but I won’t, he appeared as a metaphor rather than as a person.

From meeting Jesus I now have opinions about what people actually are experiencing when they claim to talk to Jesus. He’s just one of the many Jungian archetypes like the shadow and anima – untrustworthy.

Anyway, I claim that what is termed a NDE is really a psychological state brought on by the extreme emotions, particularly fear, experienced by many people as they approach the state of death.

>Anyway, I claim that what is termed a NDE is really a psychological state brought on by the extreme emotions, particularly fear, experienced by many people as they approach the state of death.

Probably a retreat (but the path out also) to amplified mental idealizations, which to some extent is ‘where’ mental states tend, being more than a ‘what’, they are a place, a mental place, not necessarily needing a physical location, perhaps even my definition not being a physical location or tied so to that external.

Amplified mental states I think are practical, we need them, they motivate and drive us, and I suspect even finding the determination to do mundane things requires them. I’d expect just sitting here stringing these words together requires some amplification of a or/and by way of a mental state, and accustomed to it as I am a sudden alteration then return to ‘normal’ and explanation of would probably involve anomalies as appeared to others, so it appears a good part of maintaining and willing mental states is to preserve the continuity, not only to and for self but what appears to others.

perhaps even my definition not being… = perhaps even by definition…..

Is there any connection between Near death experiences, and out of body experiences? does an OBE often follow an NDE?

> Is there any connection between Near death experiences, and out of body experiences? does an OBE often follow an NDE?

Only in the sense that both can be associated with dreams experienced in the waking state. These can be hypnagogic dreams, but don’t have to be. In times of mental distress very powerful dreams occur while the person is totally awake.

mollwollfumble said:

> Is there any connection between Near death experiences, and out of body experiences? does an OBE often follow an NDE?

Only in the sense that both can be associated with dreams experienced in the waking state. These can be hypnagogic dreams, but don’t have to be. In times of mental distress very powerful dreams occur while the person is totally awake.

Thanks Molly, would these be labelled hallucinations?