Hi all ,
I collect old maps of Australia ,
I was lucky enough to pick up a 1790 map on Saturday, showing Australia called “Ulimaroa” .
I now have 3 maps from the 1700’s the oldest is 1765 and a few from early 1800’s , but this “Ulimaroa” term is only on one , .
I know its a Maroi term for Australia , but for the life of me I can’t seem to google any indepth info on the word.

Can any of the brainiacs here help ???

Thanks

Brett

Can’t help, but that’s bloody cool. If you find another one, I’d love it. Thanks in advance.

The continent of Australia had a number of appellations until the early 19th century. The most enigmatic of these was Ulimaroa. This name was first used in 1776 by the eccentric Swedish geographer Daniel Djurberg and, subsequently, by a number of other European cartographers. The name originates from Captain James Cook’s 1769–70 visit to New Zealand. A number of authors have attempted to account for its meaning, but none has been successful. This paper reviews their efforts, before considering linguistic and historical evidence to propose that Ulimaroa actually referred to an island known to the New Zealand Māori. It also briefly explores the implications for the extent of voyaging by the New Zealand Māori and their knowledge of the pig.

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00223344.2011.647396

need to pay for the full paper but this may give you something to go on with.

It’d be interesting to look at old Indiginal DNA for evidence of Maori interbreeding.

Are you in Sydney OCDC ?
Its actually 1780

OCDC said:

It’d be interesting to look at old Indiginal DNA for evidence of Maori interbreeding.

Indiginal?

No, Melbourne.

Thanks Judge I found that one , looks like I’ll have to pay :)

Thomo said:

Hi all ,
I collect old maps of Australia ,
I was lucky enough to pick up a 1790 map on Saturday, showing Australia called “Ulimaroa” .
I now have 3 maps from the 1700’s the oldest is 1765 and a few from early 1800’s , but this “Ulimaroa” term is only on one , .
I know its a Maroi term for Australia , but for the life of me I can’t seem to google any indepth info on the word.

Can any of the brainiacs here help ???

Thanks

Brett

>>Maria Zijlstra: Yes, telling the story today of the little-known name—‘Ulimaroa‘—that a Swedish geographer tried to give to Terra Australis (or New Holland as it was known then), at the time of Captain James Cook’s sailing around and about these parts back in the late 1700s. A mystery unearthed, in which a pivotal part is played by pigs.

So, introducing for Lingua Franca, Dr Paul Geraghty, Associate Professor in Linguistics at the University of the South Pacific in Suva, Fiji—a specialist on languages, cultures and histories of Pacific islands—and Dr Jan Tent, a senior lecturer, teaching linguistics at Macquarie University in NSW here in Australia, who is as well the director of the Australian National Placenames Survey. And together they’ve been ferreting out the origins of that placename ‘Ulimaroa’.<<

More:
http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/linguafranca/2012-02-11/3824592#transcript

in•di•gene (ˈɪn dɪˌdʒin)
a person or thing that is indigenous or native.

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Ulimaroa+unveiled%3F-a0275575917

Huh! I went to High School with Jan Tent. (His family is Dutch.)

Thanks Judge and Permeate !
Exactly what I needed

Brett

I’ve got this really old globe that still shows Crimea as part of Ukraine, I’d be willing to sell it to any of you lovers of antiquities.

i’ll wait until it show ukraine as still being part of ukraine thanks.

OCDC said:

It’d be interesting to look at old Indiginal DNA for evidence of Maori interbreeding.

I agree. It would be interesting to look at how it varied by location around Australia – whether the Polynesian influence is stronger in the north and if so by how much.

There is this. “Denisovan ancestry”: http://dienekes.blogspot.com.au/2011/09/widespread-denisovan-admixture-reich-et.html
It appears from this that polynesians, such as Maori, are descended from Australian aboriginals and others. ie. there was interbreeding but it went to other way – from Aboriginals to Maori – and may be very old.

mollwollfumble said:

OCDC said:

It’d be interesting to look at old Indiginal DNA for evidence of Maori interbreeding.

I agree. It would be interesting to look at how it varied by location around Australia – whether the Polynesian influence is stronger in the north and if so by how much.

There is this. “Denisovan ancestry”: http://dienekes.blogspot.com.au/2011/09/widespread-denisovan-admixture-reich-et.html
It appears from this that polynesians, such as Maori, are descended from Australian aboriginals and others. ie. there was interbreeding but it went to other way – from Aboriginals to Maori – and may be very old.

Aren’t Torres Straight Islanders of Polynesian origin?

Given that, how could there not be at least some interbreeding between Polynesians and Aboriginal Australians?

What does it mean to say that “there was interbreeding but it went to other way – from Aboriginals to Maori “? What defined the direction of interbreeding?

mollwollfumble said:

OCDC said:

It’d be interesting to look at old Indiginal DNA for evidence of Maori interbreeding.

I agree. It would be interesting to look at how it varied by location around Australia – whether the Polynesian influence is stronger in the north and if so by how much.

There is this. “Denisovan ancestry”: http://dienekes.blogspot.com.au/2011/09/widespread-denisovan-admixture-reich-et.html
It appears from this that polynesians, such as Maori, are descended from Australian aboriginals and others. ie. there was interbreeding but it went to other way – from Aboriginals to Maori – and may be very old.

>>Adele’s supervisor, Dr Geoff Chambers found a match between one of the same variant genes for alcohol with people from Taiwan. So it seemed the original homeland of the Polynesian people was in fact Taiwan. Or was it?

When Geoff’s team decided to study the male y chromosome, they got a shock, because it told a completely different story. While the female line is entirely Asian, most of the males came from Melanesia. In fact the men appear to come from PNG, and the women are from Taiwan. So now he believes he finally has the story that makes sense of all the different pieces.

It goes like this… Around 6,000 years ago, a small group of people migrated from mainland Asia and settled in Taiwan. They became a great seafaring culture, and from there they travelled down past Papua New Guinea, they met and took on board local Melanesian guides. The guides were male. And clearly, they must have married and had children. This mix of seafarers reached Fiji, and then eventually moved on again, finally settling in New Zealand just 700 years ago.<<

http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/s823810.htm

Any Australian aboriginal DNA in the Maori people would have been from a common PNG ancestor, some of which had migrated across the land bridge to Australia during the last Ice Age. Maori are not directly descended from Australian aborigines.