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Former Australian Federal Police commissioner Mick Palmer joins News Breakfast to discuss the “demonstrable” failure of our current approach to drugs and drug addiction.

“Drug policies have created more harm than good”

Lots of us have been saying this for a looooooong time!

fresnel_chick said:

“Drug policies have created more harm than good”

Lots of us have been saying this for a looooooong time!

lots of you stoners

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-07/household-debt-the-big-threat-to-australian-economy/5435844

channeling wookie

but seriously, it would interesting to see the breakdown of the proportion of secured and unsecured debt

diddly-squat said:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-07/household-debt-the-big-threat-to-australian-economy/5435844

channeling wookie

but seriously, it would interesting to see the breakdown of the proportion of secured and unsecured debt

sorry wrong fred

Dropbear said:

fresnel_chick said:

“Drug policies have created more harm than good”

Lots of us have been saying this for a looooooong time!

lots of you stoners

I’m not a stoner, just a leftie. ;)

fresnel_chick said:

Dropbear said:

fresnel_chick said:

“Drug policies have created more harm than good”

Lots of us have been saying this for a looooooong time!

lots of you stoners

I’m not a stoner, just a leftie. ;)

is there a difference?

Dropbear said:

fresnel_chick said:

Dropbear said:

lots of you stoners

I’m not a stoner, just a leftie. ;)

is there a difference?

Yes, the only drugs I take are prescription ones. And food, and sometimes alcohol.

Dropbear said:

fresnel_chick said:

Dropbear said:

lots of you stoners

I’m not a stoner, just a leftie. ;)

is there a difference?

diddly-squat said:

Dropbear said:

fresnel_chick said:

I’m not a stoner, just a leftie. ;)

is there a difference?

Im confused – which one is she?

Dropbear said:

diddly-squat said:

Dropbear said:

is there a difference?

Im confused – which one is she?

she’s the lefty stoner

oh right, it’s fresnel :) .. i didn’t recognise her with the tea-cosy on.

diddly-squat said:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-07/household-debt-the-big-threat-to-australian-economy/5435844

channeling wookie

but seriously, it would interesting to see the breakdown of the proportion of secured and unsecured debt

Noted

Channeling

Brain waves being down loaded now

this might come in handy in a forest of pot………

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Dropbear said:

diddly-squat said:

Dropbear said:

is there a difference?

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Im confused – which one is she?

Looks like Saffie

Dropbear said:

diddly-squat said:

Dropbear said:

is there a difference?

Im confused – which one is she?

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fresnel_chick said:

Dropbear said:

diddly-squat said:

Im confused – which one is she?

munchies

Postpocelipse said:

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Former Australian Federal Police commissioner Mick Palmer joins News Breakfast to discuss the “demonstrable” failure of our current approach to drugs and drug addiction.

Yes, that’s a good starting point, its only taken about 50 years to get to this point, another 50 years might see decriminalization, things move really slowly in drug reform in Australia.

capital punishment to anyone caught dealing illegal drugs, producing illegal drugs, growing illegal drugs, selling illegal drugs to schoolies, or making money out of illegal drugs.

fixed

The_observer said:

capital punishment to anyone caught dealing illegal drugs, producing illegal drugs, growing illegal drugs, selling illegal drugs to schoolies, or making money out of illegal drugs.

fixed

that comment deserves public corporal punishment. Bring back the stockade!!!!!!!

Postpocelipse said:

The_observer said:

capital punishment to anyone caught dealing illegal drugs, producing illegal drugs, growing illegal drugs, selling illegal drugs to schoolies, or making money out of illegal drugs.

fixed

that comment deserves public corporal punishment.

for lack of imagination at least.

The_observer said:

capital punishment to anyone caught dealing illegal drugs, producing illegal drugs, growing illegal drugs, selling illegal drugs to schoolies, or making money out of illegal drugs.

fixed

because it’s worked so well in other parts of the world?

The_observer said:

capital punishment to anyone caught dealing illegal drugs, producing illegal drugs, growing illegal drugs, selling illegal drugs to schoolies, or making money out of illegal drugs.

fixed

Observer didn’t understand the video!

Fixed!

>>>Observer didn’t understand the video!

Fixed!

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he said prohibition hasn’t worked.

Try the death penality, for the drug scum of this country.

nothing to lose trying it, yeh

i always laugh at people who propose the death penalty, and i laugh really hard when they are australian.

I have mixed feelings about this subject. Intellectually I think all drugs should be legalised but I have seen the negative effects of misused prescription drugs on people with addictive personalities.

Lets not rush into changing a policy so that we can get cheered and patted on the back and fawned over by ABC types.
Lets not forget what happened when Gillard and Rudd softened the illegal immigrant policy.
Thousands died and we had the distasteful episode where the defence minister said it’s not our job to pick up the bodies it’s Customs, and the Customs minister saying no it’s Defense’s job and Gillard solving the impasse by saying to just leave the men women and children to rot in their yellow lifejackets.

So just be careful and think through all the ramifications of doped up fell good policies.

remind me, did any asylum seekers actually get murdered in our care, as opposed to dying before they were actually in our care, under the previous government?

and that’s murdered by people australians employed to look after them?

ChrispenEvan said:

remind me, did any asylum seekers actually get murdered in our care, as opposed to dying before they were actually in our care, under the previous government?

Maybe he means the ones that died drowning in Australian waters?

ChrispenEvan said:

and that’s murdered by people australians employed to look after them?

If people are killed in a gaol riot how is it the fault of the authorities?

they weren’t actually in our care. same as any other loss of life in australian waters.

have you read some of the stories and seen videos of what happened?

We could send the druggies to PNG or Nauru

ChrispenEvan said:

they weren’t actually in our care. same as any other loss of life in australian waters.

Next they’ll be blaming the Australian government for the loss of life on MH370.

ChrispenEvan said:

have you read some of the stories and seen videos of what happened?

What did happen?

i know you’re only trolling pwm but really it is a bit low to troll on this particular subject. get some common decency.

CrazyNeutrino said:

We could send the druggies to PNG or Nauru

how about we send the policy makers there???

>>i know you’re only trolling pwm

Never been more serious.

a start

http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2014/04/28/3991401.htm

yes, dishonest words are easy to type pwm.

ChrispenEvan said:

yes, dishonest words are easy to type pwm.

Nothing dishonest coming from me, it’s stark, it’s real and you don’t like it, stiff shit.

Tamb said:

I have mixed feelings about this subject. Intellectually I think all drugs should be legalised but I have seen the negative effects of misused prescription drugs on people with addictive personalities.

I pretty much feel the same way.
However, plenty of people abuse other substances… prescription drugs, alcohol, paint, petrol… and they are all legal!

Postpocelipse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

We could send the druggies to PNG or Nauru

how about we send the policy makers there???

That’s a much better idea.

Peak Warming Man said:

Lets not rush into changing a policy so that we can get cheered and patted on the back and fawned over by ABC types.
Lets not forget what happened when Gillard and Rudd softened the illegal immigrant policy.
Thousands died and we had the distasteful episode where the defence minister said it’s not our job to pick up the bodies it’s Customs, and the Customs minister saying no it’s Defense’s job and Gillard solving the impasse by saying to just leave the men women and children to rot in their yellow lifejackets.

So just be careful and think through all the ramifications of doped up fell good policies.

References?

fresnel_chick said:

Tamb said:

I have mixed feelings about this subject. Intellectually I think all drugs should be legalised but I have seen the negative effects of misused prescription drugs on people with addictive personalities.

I pretty much feel the same way.
However, plenty of people abuse other substances… prescription drugs, alcohol, paint, petrol… and they are all legal!

Yes. I suppose it’s misuse that’s the problem.
Impurity free, known strength drugs might be the way to go.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObbLapUaZd4

Lets not forget what happened when Gillard and Rudd softened the illegal immigrant policy.
Thousands died

References?
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well know, references not needed

Tamb said:

fresnel_chick said:

Tamb said:

I have mixed feelings about this subject. Intellectually I think all drugs should be legalised but I have seen the negative effects of misused prescription drugs on people with addictive personalities.

I pretty much feel the same way.
However, plenty of people abuse other substances… prescription drugs, alcohol, paint, petrol… and they are all legal!

Yes. I suppose it’s misuse that’s the problem.
Impurity free, known strength drugs might be the way to go.

I think so!

ChrispenEvan said:

i always laugh at people who propose the death penalty, and i laugh really hard when they are australian.

I’d gladly be the hang man for dispensing all the problems in society

The_observer said:

capital punishment to anyone caught dealing illegal drugs, producing illegal drugs, growing illegal drugs, selling illegal drugs to schoolies, or making money out of illegal drugs.

fixed

I don’t want their life I want their soul. Maybe they could give me custody of these people so they can help me with various ideas and concepts I come up with

I could set them to work for 5 years building some big statue of me for example

You know what would be cool??

You could send the prisoners to Antarctica to build a huge ice pyramid

Given that it will always ( hopefully) be freezing down there, an ice pyramid night stand for as long as the real pyramids except without as many touts hanging around them

wookiemeister said:

Given that it will always ( hopefully) be freezing down there, an ice pyramid night stand for as long as the real pyramids except without as many touts hanging around them

Wind.

Severe wind ablation/desiccation and wind-borne ice erosion problems with that thought, I reckon.

Maybe you could dig out a huge hole first and place the pyramid at the bottom of it

Wind blast would be much less then

What about this for a crazy idea

You have prisoners making big cubes of glass

The glass is then stacked to make the pyramid anywhere , sometimes you might want to move it somewhere else of the fancy took you

Prohibition has obviously failed, but you can’t just give drugs to people when you know they are being damaged by them.

If drugs such as heroin, cocaine, amphetamines were available on prescription to registered addicts engaged on a course designed to eventually free them of their habit, that would be the best way to go imo.

It would put a lot of traffickers out of business, and cut the costs of enforcement.

rumpole said:

Prohibition has obviously failed, but you can’t just give drugs to people when you know they are being damaged by them.

If drugs such as heroin, cocaine, amphetamines were available on prescription to registered addicts engaged on a course designed to eventually free them of their habit, that would be the best way to go imo.

It would put a lot of traffickers out of business, and cut the costs of enforcement.

What about people who want to experiment socially and KNOW addiction is not going to be a problem with them?

Dropbear said:

What about people who want to experiment socially and KNOW addiction is not going to be a problem with them?

What about them ? Every addict believes they can give it up whenever they want, so addiction is NO PROBLEM to them.

rumpole said:

Every addict believes they can give it up whenever they want, so addiction is NO PROBLEM to them.

Of course, this is complete rubbish.

rumpole said:

Dropbear said:

What about people who want to experiment socially and KNOW addiction is not going to be a problem with them?

What about them ? Every addict believes they can give it up whenever they want, so addiction is NO PROBLEM to them.

If you just legalise access for existing addicts, where do the socially curious get their E?

Lemon Coconut slice smelling damned good

I think the person who first decided that the word “drug” should apply to both life-saving prescription medications and life-destroying illegal chemicals did the world a HUGE disservice.

>I think the person who first decided that the word “drug” should apply to both life-saving prescription medications and life-destroying illegal chemicals did the world a HUGE disservice.

Agreed, the ‘chemical fix’ thing has been around for a long time, requires some finesse negotiating the conceptual stereotypes that lend to ideological influences, just the scope of ‘self-medicating’ alone is complex.

transition said:

>I think the person who first decided that the word “drug” should apply to both life-saving prescription medications and life-destroying illegal chemicals did the world a HUGE disservice.

Agreed, the ‘chemical fix’ thing has been around for a long time, requires some finesse negotiating the conceptual stereotypes that lend to ideological influences, just the scope of ‘self-medicating’ alone is complex.

But very often formulated by the same people. Mud sticks.

Is This Proof Marijuana Can Cure Cancer?

Postpocelipse said:

Is This Proof Marijuana Can Cure Cancer?

Bob Marley died on 11 May 1981 at Cedars of Lebanon Hospital in Miami (now University of Miami Hospital) at the age of 36.

The spread of melanoma to his lungs and brain caused his death

Postpocelipse said:

Is This Proof Marijuana Can Cure Cancer?

Smoking tobacco or dope will give you cancer, dope has the added benefit of giving you mental illness as well.
Most governments if they had their time again would love to ban tobacco, but other governments who call themselves progressives are legalising the smoking of dope, some would say encouraging it even, I don’t call them progressive governments, I call them batshit crazy governments.

The war on murder, even the war on theft is not being won but I think, like the war on drugs, they should go on.

Peak Warming Man said:

Postpocelipse said:

Is This Proof Marijuana Can Cure Cancer?

Smoking tobacco or dope will give you cancer, dope has the added benefit of giving you mental illness as well.
Most governments if they had their time again would love to ban tobacco, but other governments who call themselves progressives are legalising the smoking of dope, some would say encouraging it even, I don’t call them progressive governments, I call them batshit crazy governments.

the claim that marijuana causes mental illness is bupkus. What is supportable is that those who are prone to mental illness can experience heightened symptoms when effected. This, from many years of observation and experience, is more closely associated with the poor nutrition and lifestyle that those with mental illness are prone to, than with direct effects from marijuana. Marijuana certainly hasn’t been linked to causing melanoma…..

>>>Marijuana certainly hasn’t been linked to causing melanoma…..
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No, but in Bob’s case, his ample partaking of the weed certainly didn’t cure it

The_observer said:

>>>Marijuana certainly hasn’t been linked to causing melanoma…..
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No, but in Bob’s case, his ample partaking of the weed certainly didn’t cure it

Melanoma is particularly aggressive. That still doesn’t discount the efficacy of cannabinoids on other forms of cancer.