According to Anthony Green, the ALP could, but never would block the supply bills

http://blogs.abc.net.au/antonygreen/2014/05/an-early-double-dissolution-dont-hold-your-breathe.html

If they did, it would not neccessarilly be the trigger for a DD election

What would happen if the ALP did decide to team with the greens to block supply? Would an election be forced? Would the government just run out of money USA style and we’d be left with no “forcing” of an election?

Dropbear said:

According to Anthony Green, the ALP could, but never would block the supply bills

http://blogs.abc.net.au/antonygreen/2014/05/an-early-double-dissolution-dont-hold-your-breathe.html

If they did, it would not neccessarilly be the trigger for a DD election

What would happen if the ALP did decide to team with the greens to block supply? Would an election be forced? Would the government just run out of money USA style and we’d be left with no “forcing” of an election?

Last time it became the Governor General’s decision.

According to AG the PM cannot be forced to call a DD.

I assume the PM could dig his heels in and punish the ALP for stopping the govt?

PermeateFree said:

Dropbear said:

According to Anthony Green, the ALP could, but never would block the supply bills

http://blogs.abc.net.au/antonygreen/2014/05/an-early-double-dissolution-dont-hold-your-breathe.html

If they did, it would not neccessarilly be the trigger for a DD election

What would happen if the ALP did decide to team with the greens to block supply? Would an election be forced? Would the government just run out of money USA style and we’d be left with no “forcing” of an election?

Last time it became the Governor General’s decision.

No. The GG sacked the Govt.

He or she can’t call an election.

jjjust moi said:

PermeateFree said:

Dropbear said:

According to Anthony Green, the ALP could, but never would block the supply bills

http://blogs.abc.net.au/antonygreen/2014/05/an-early-double-dissolution-dont-hold-your-breathe.html

If they did, it would not neccessarilly be the trigger for a DD election

What would happen if the ALP did decide to team with the greens to block supply? Would an election be forced? Would the government just run out of money USA style and we’d be left with no “forcing” of an election?

Last time it became the Governor General’s decision.

No. The GG sacked the Govt.

He or she can’t call an election.

The GG, asked both what they intended to do, then sacked Whitlam the PM, which automatically brought on an election.

PermeateFree said:

jjjust moi said:

PermeateFree said:

Last time it became the Governor General’s decision.

No. The GG sacked the Govt.

He or she can’t call an election.

The GG, asked both what they intended to do, then sacked Whitlam the PM, which automatically brought on an election.

Sorry, meant to say the Whitlam Government.

PermeateFree said:

PermeateFree said:

jjjust moi said:

No. The GG sacked the Govt.

He or she can’t call an election.

The GG, asked both what they intended to do, then sacked Whitlam the PM, which automatically brought on an election.

Sorry, meant to say the Whitlam Government.

Your recollection of the events and its results are wrong.

jjjust moi said:

PermeateFree said:

PermeateFree said:

The GG, asked both what they intended to do, then sacked Whitlam the PM, which automatically brought on an election.

Sorry, meant to say the Whitlam Government.

Your recollection of the events and its results are wrong.

What is the correct version then?

PermeateFree said:

jjjust moi said:

PermeateFree said:

Sorry, meant to say the Whitlam Government.

Your recollection of the events and its results are wrong.

What is the correct version then?

Wiki is your friend.

jjjust moi said:

PermeateFree said:

jjjust moi said:

Your recollection of the events and its results are wrong.

What is the correct version then?

Wiki is your friend.

You are the one doing the disputing, therefore it should you to supply the proof.

PermeateFree said:

jjjust moi said:

PermeateFree said:

What is the correct version then?

Wiki is your friend.

You are the one doing the disputing, therefore it should you to supply the proof.

I’ve given you a reference, on the page I daresay there will be a miriad more.

It’s not my responsibilty to educate ignorance of any subject.

jjjust moi said:

PermeateFree said:

jjjust moi said:

Wiki is your friend.

You are the one doing the disputing, therefore it should you to supply the proof.

I’ve given you a reference, on the page I daresay there will be a miriad more.

It’s not my responsibilty to educate ignorance of any subject.

You are such an arrogant bastard it is a wonder you know anything unless it comes out you backside.

This, non-wiki, report seems fairly close to my recollection: http://whitlamdismissal.com/what-happened/overview1

PermeateFree said:

jjjust moi said:

PermeateFree said:

You are the one doing the disputing, therefore it should you to supply the proof.

I’ve given you a reference, on the page I daresay there will be a miriad more.

It’s not my responsibilty to educate ignorance of any subject.

You are such an arrogant bastard it is a wonder you know anything unless it comes out you backside.

There we go again.

About what is expected from you.

Gentlemen please..

puffs on bubble pipe

You both have enormous wangs. Can we get back to the question

jjjust moi said:

PermeateFree said:

jjjust moi said:

I’ve given you a reference, on the page I daresay there will be a miriad more.

It’s not my responsibilty to educate ignorance of any subject.

You are such an arrogant bastard it is a wonder you know anything unless it comes out you backside.

There we go again.

About what is expected from you.

Well considering I was right, it is what I expect from you.

Dropbear said:

Gentlemen please..

puffs on bubble pipe

You both have enormous wangs. Can we get back to the question

Well done Droppy. My sediments perzakly.

my supply of sediments has been blocked :(

party_pants said:

my supply of sediments has been blocked :(

The blockage can be removed using a sirjohnkerr.

Dropbear said:

Gentlemen please..

puffs on bubble pipe

You both have enormous wangs. Can we get back to the question
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You been looking at my Facebook pics? :)

jjjust moi said:

Dropbear said:

Gentlemen please..

puffs on bubble pipe

You both have enormous wangs. Can we get back to the question

I would very much doubt it jjjust moi, you being such a gutless individual hiding behind your more than one handle.

PermeateFree said:

jjjust moi said:

Dropbear said:

Gentlemen please..

puffs on bubble pipe

You both have enormous wangs. Can we get back to the question

I would very much doubt it jjjust moi, you being such a gutless individual hiding behind your more than one handle.

I don’t know why I bother, but this is my ONE nic, My ONLY one.

Now that is clear get off the handle paranoia.

jjjust moi said:

PermeateFree said:

jjjust moi said:

Dropbear said:

Gentlemen please..

puffs on bubble pipe

You both have enormous wangs. Can we get back to the question

I would very much doubt it jjjust moi, you being such a gutless individual hiding behind your more than one handle.

I don’t know why I bother, but this is my ONE nic, My ONLY one.

Now that is clear get off the handle paranoia.

I don’t think so, You are lying.

Ahhh politics.

It brings out the best in people

Dropbear said:

Ahhh politics.

It brings out the best in people

Not really, just that slime has been sniping at me for years before hiding like a coward behind his other handles.

jjjust moi is the observer

Dropbear said:

Ahhh politics.

It brings out the best in people

Grubs.

CrazyNeutrino said:

jjjust moi is the observer

hence the arrogance and rudeness

CrazyNeutrino said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

jjjust moi is the observer

hence the arrogance and rudeness

You’re as big a froot loop as the other guy.

CrazyNeutrino said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

jjjust moi is the observer

hence the arrogance and rudeness

Thanks CN, I’ll bare it in mind.

“In the 1975 Australian constitutional crisis, the elected Senate wilfully delayed voting on a bill to authorize supply for the government, until the Prime Minister, Gough Whitlam, should call an election for the House of Representatives. He was subsequently dismissed by the Governor-General, Sir John Kerr, on the basis of refusal to either resign or request a dissolution; his proposed course of action was instead to procure alternative supply money by non-parliamentary means. (Notably, Westminster convention requires the resignation of Government, or dissolution of Parliament, upon rejection of supply bills, which had not yet occurred—voting had simply been delayed. For this reason, among others, the validity under constitution conventions of the dismissal of the Whitlam Government continues to be debated to this day.)”

Wiki

QandA
9:35pm
ABC1

Treasurer Joe Hockey will be the sole panellist in this post-Budget special hosted by Tony Jones. Live from Penrith, in Sydney’s western suburbs.

diddly-squat said:

QandA
9:35pm
ABC1

Treasurer Joe Hockey will be the sole panellist in this post-Budget special hosted by Tony Jones. Live from Boganville, in Sydney’s western suburbs.

diddly-squat said:

QandA
9:35pm
ABC1

Treasurer Joe Hockey will be the sole panellist in this post-Budget special hosted by Tony Jones. Live from Penrith, in Sydney’s western suburbs.

Because the rest of Australia doesn’t exist outside of Sydney

diddly-squat said:

QandA
9:35pm
ABC1

Treasurer Joe Hockey will be the sole panellist in this post-Budget special hosted by Tony Jones. Live from Penrith, in Sydney’s western suburbs.

As a matter of fact. I first heard Hockey being likened to Shrek by Paul Keating before they even got into government.

diddly-squat said:

QandA
9:35pm
ABC1

Treasurer Joe Hockey will be the sole panellist in this post-Budget special hosted by Tony Jones. Live from Penrith, in Sydney’s western suburbs.

Biased ABC grubs*

*or old campaigners as Eddie McGuire would call them.

Can’t see them giving Hockey the blocky. They never gave Fraser the razor, despite many requests.

A lot of people would have missed the dismissal because they were overseas on their gap yah.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKFjWR7×5dU

Talking of the Whitlam dismissal, I was reading a very interesting piece on the subject not long ago. Few realise how close, in the wake of November 11, Australia came to a mass uprising by workers and students etc and how it was largely the efforts of Bob Hawke to get the movement to “cool it”…

“An estimated 400,000 workers went on strike, knowing they were acting in defiance of Hawke’s appeals against industrial action. All public transport was closed down. Forty thousand people rallied in Melbourne’s City Square. Former Labor Minister Clyde Cameron described it as “the largest political meeting I have attended in my 60 years on this earth.” A student march to the main rally opposite Melbourne’s Town Hall converged with two other marches, one from the waterfront and one of clothing trade workers. “It was like the convergence of three mighty rivers,” reported Tribune. Two thousand teachers marched to the rally, leaving schools “virtually closed down”. Direct Action reported, “The crowd reserved the most enthusiastic response for Halfpenny’s call for action.” After an hour and a half of speeches, the crowd marched up Collins Street, pausing outside the establishment Melbourne Club to chant pro-Labor slogans…”

On the other side Frazer was making preparations for a military coup if it came to that! I have a firsthand account of ADF infantry along with an armoured detachment being covertly moved into position in the bush near Yass in the event of a storming of parliament house.

Ref: Strike Fraser Out!
The labour movement campaign against the blocking of supply and the sacking of the Whitlam Government, October-December 1975

http://www.anu.edu.au/polsci/marx/interventions/sacked.htm

the thought came to me today that tony abbot might actually cancel the next election

he strikes me as the kind of person that might try to overthrow the present governmental system here given the damage he is proposing

so; according to’ crazy’ bong smoking jo

and PhactFree, the eco-terrorist

me & jjjust moi are one.

well as long as no one else ever accuses me of being either one of them,
I’m OK with that.

although I get the impression that jjjust moi is female,

and I’m a very masculine, & terribly handsome man’s man.

The_observer said:

and I’m a very masculine, & terribly handsome man’s man.

so you’re a Bear???

PhactFree, would you be Gregary Boyles, or perhaps Elvis Rieu.

They were both dicks.

Postpocelipse said:

The_observer said:

and I’m a very masculine, & terribly handsome man’s man.

so you’re a Bear???

Not anywhere near as hairy as those blokes, & much better looking

The_observer said:

Postpocelipse said:

The_observer said:

and I’m a very masculine, & terribly handsome man’s man.

so you’re a Bear???

!http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-CQjRf7nRs40/UiNJtmiM52I/AAAAAAAAQUY/Hzr5pxDMzjg/s1600/Gay*BearPair.jpg

Not anywhere near as hairy as those blokes, & much better looking

oooooh! Like this then…….

The_observer said:

Postpocelipse said:

The_observer said:

and I’m a very masculine, & terribly handsome man’s man.

so you’re a Bear???

!http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-CQjRf7nRs40/UiNJtmiM52I/AAAAAAAAQUY/Hzr5pxDMzjg/s1600/Gay*BearPair.jpg

Not anywhere near as hairy as those blokes, & much better looking

Yeah, their not really my type either.

The_observer said:

so; according to’ crazy’ bong smoking jo

and PhactFree, the eco-terrorist

me & jjjust moi are one.

well as long as no one else ever accuses me of being either one of them,
I’m OK with that.

although I get the impression that jjjust moi is female,

and I’m a very masculine, & terribly handsome man’s man.

I may have a feminine side T_o, but I’m 190 cm and 100 kg and according to the bear (may his tribe increase). I have a big wang :)

Martin B would know.

Postpocelipse said:

The_observer said:

Postpocelipse said:

so you’re a Bear???

!http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-CQjRf7nRs40/UiNJtmiM52I/AAAAAAAAQUY/Hzr5pxDMzjg/s1600/Gay*BearPair.jpg

Not anywhere near as hairy as those blokes, & much better looking

oooooh! Like this then…….

No, No, he looks like a Sheila, I look like a very handsome man

jjjust moi said:

The_observer said:

so; according to’ crazy’ bong smoking jo

and PhactFree, the eco-terrorist

me & jjjust moi are one.

well as long as no one else ever accuses me of being either one of them,
I’m OK with that.

although I get the impression that jjjust moi is female,

and I’m a very masculine, & terribly handsome man’s man.

I may have a feminine side T_o, but I’m 190 cm and 100 kg and according to the bear (may his tribe increase). I have a big wang :)

I’m sorry jjjust moi, must be your nic that miss-guided me.

I’m 188 cm & 98 kg.

The size of my wang is personal & not for publication

dv said:

Martin B would know.

—-

What does he do for a crust these days?

tauto said:

dv said:

Martin B would know.

Something awesome, probably.
—-

What does he do for a crust these days?

The_observer said:

jjjust moi said:

The_observer said:

so; according to’ crazy’ bong smoking jo

and PhactFree, the eco-terrorist

me & jjjust moi are one.

well as long as no one else ever accuses me of being either one of them,
I’m OK with that.

although I get the impression that jjjust moi is female,

and I’m a very masculine, & terribly handsome man’s man.

I may have a feminine side T_o, but I’m 190 cm and 100 kg and according to the bear (may his tribe increase). I have a big wang :)

I’m sorry jjjust moi, must be your nic that miss-guided me.

I’m 188 cm & 98 kg.

The size of my wang is personal & not for publication

I suspect some posters would not be quite as brave face to face then.

But that’s the way the internetz goes.

The_observer said:

Postpocelipse said:

The_observer said:

Not anywhere near as hairy as those blokes, & much better looking

oooooh! Like this then…….

No, No, he looks like a Sheila, I look like a very handsome man

Oh. I thought he looked like a “very good looking man’s man”…….

:P :D

jjjust moi said:

The_observer said:

jjjust moi said:

I may have a feminine side T_o, but I’m 190 cm and 100 kg and according to the bear (may his tribe increase). I have a big wang :)

I’m sorry jjjust moi, must be your nic that miss-guided me.

I’m 188 cm & 98 kg.

The size of my wang is personal & not for publication

I suspect some posters would not be quite as brave face to face then.

But that’s the way the internetz goes.

You want to try?

Sorry, what’s the question?

MartinB said:

Sorry, what’s the question?

It’s been answered.

Just the usual idiot sniping now.

Dropbear said:

According to Anthony Green, the ALP could, but never would block the supply bills

http://blogs.abc.net.au/antonygreen/2014/05/an-early-double-dissolution-dont-hold-your-breathe.html

If they did, it would not neccessarilly be the trigger for a DD election

What would happen if the ALP did decide to team with the greens to block supply? Would an election be forced? Would the government just run out of money USA style and we’d be left with no “forcing” of an election?

There are various questions. See above.

MartinB said:

Sorry, what’s the question?

What would happen if the ALP did decide to team with the greens to block supply? Would an election be forced? Would the government just run out of money USA style and we’d be left with no “forcing” of an election?

MartinB said:

Sorry, what’s the question?

—-

faints

jjjust moi said:

MartinB said:

Sorry, what’s the question?

It’s been answered.

Just the usual idiot sniping now.

You are BU aren’t you Mr weasel?

Ahhhhh!

My eyes!

What on earth was that colour, p_p?

i’m sitting next to BU atm. he hasn’t posted here in the hours i have been here.

Michael V said:

Ahhhhh!

My eyes!

What on earth was that colour, p_p?

that color was “FABULOUS!!!!”

hahahahaha :D

MartinB said:

Sorry, what’s the question?

I’ve only just got here, but after a quick peruse I think it’s about who has got the biggest wang.

According to Westminster “convention” blocked supply should lead to an election. But green seems to think that would never happen

Michael V said:

Ahhhhh!

My eyes!

What on earth was that colour, p_p?

blue.

Postpocelipse said:

Michael V said:

Ahhhhh!

My eyes!

What on earth was that colour, p_p?

that color was “FABULOUS!!!!”

hahahahaha :D

oh. p_p. not p-p

ChrispenEvan said:

i’m sitting next to BU atm. he hasn’t posted here in the hours i have been here.

He’ll just say you’re lying.

In a Westminster system loss of supply is considered to be loss of confidence in the government and so by convention the government must resign or seek a dissolution. If they did neither then the GG would be able to withdraw their commission: the GG has an overriding duty to see that a responsible government is operating.

The problem is that in most Westminster systems only the lower house has the power to block supply, but the Australian Senate has nearly co-equal powers with the Reps.

party_pants said:

Michael V said:

Ahhhhh!

My eyes!

What on earth was that colour, p_p?

blue.

Yeah, well, there you go. It was bloody bright here. So bright I couldn’t read a word.

PermeateFree said:

jjjust moi said:

The_observer said:

I’m sorry jjjust moi, must be your nic that miss-guided me.

I’m 188 cm & 98 kg.

The size of my wang is personal & not for publication

I suspect some posters would not be quite as brave face to face then.

But that’s the way the internetz goes.

You want to try?

watch out jjjust moi, phactFree has a big armchair

ChrispenEvan said:

i’m sitting next to BU atm. he hasn’t posted here in the hours i have been here.

Boris I have long pondered if you were just a dick named etc., etc., etc including BU, but due to your incompetence I now know you are not.

MartinB said:

Sorry, what’s the question?

You have no chance to survive make your time

The_observer said:

PermeateFree said:

jjjust moi said:

I suspect some posters would not be quite as brave face to face then.

But that’s the way the internetz goes.

You want to try?

watch out jjjust moi, phactFree has a big armchair

Thought so, you are just a backside full of wind, that’s why people think you are a fuckwit.

permeate you attacked someone that hasn’t posted here in a long while. last time was asking about an electrical phenomenon. you just make yourself look stupid.

Green says, quite rightly IMO, that for various reasons the ALP will never (in the foreseeable future) vote to block supply in the Senate. Such a move would contradict decades of argument from the ALP and undermine (what tiny shreds remain of) their sense of integrity and thus be detrimental to their long-term development.

PermeateFree said:

The_observer said:

PermeateFree said:

You want to try?

watch out jjjust moi, phactFree has a big armchair

Thought so, you are just a backside full of wind, that’s why people think you are a fuckwit.

What??? do you want to punch me or just moi phactFree?

Sorry it’s a long and rambling thread. I didn’t know if it was still the OP or if there was a later development.

PermeateFree said:

jjjust moi said:

MartinB said:

Sorry, what’s the question?

It’s been answered.

Just the usual idiot sniping now.

You are BU aren’t you Mr weasel?

jjjust moi does not have the ability to draw electrical circuits on the back of beer coasters.

As to whether they would NEVER do it…

The period of time during which ALP plus Greens is more than half the senate comes to a close in six weeks’ time and there’d be no political gain for anyone to block supply on that timeline.

If the Coalition remains on the nose in the long term, and the PUP were seriously onboard, then I don’t think anyone could say it would never happen.

>>>jjjust moi does not have the ability to draw electrical circuits on the back of beer coasters.<<<

I tried it once. Found the coaster was to much of an insulator.

It’s a moot point anyway. If Tony wants a DD then he has to face the fact that Clive might be to busy to see him.

party_pants said:

PermeateFree said:

jjjust moi said:

It’s been answered.

Just the usual idiot sniping now.

You are BU aren’t you Mr weasel?

jjjust moi does not have the ability to draw electrical circuits on the back of beer coasters.

Well I can understand them, but I’ve had no reason to do so.

I’ll page wookie if I need to do so :)

tauto said:

It’s a moot point anyway. If Tony wants a DD then he has to face the fact that Clive might be to busy to see him.

No government wants a DD.

tauto said:

It’s a moot point anyway. If Tony wants a DD then he has to face the fact that Clive might be to busy to see him.

The last thing AA wants is a DD

The_observer said:

PermeateFree said:

The_observer said:

watch out jjjust moi, phactFree has a big armchair

Thought so, you are just a backside full of wind, that’s why people think you are a fuckwit.

What??? do you want to punch me or just moi phactFree?

Well do you want to try or not, you were the one going around like a constipated cockerel?

Well, never say never.

I agree with AG it is highly unlikely.

party_pants said:

tauto said:

It’s a moot point anyway. If Tony wants a DD then he has to face the fact that Clive might be to busy to see him.

No government wants a DD.

Well I wouldn’t go that far. Hawke managed to engineer two of them.

party_pants said:

PermeateFree said:

jjjust moi said:

It’s been answered.

Just the usual idiot sniping now.

You are BU aren’t you Mr weasel?

jjjust moi does not have the ability to draw electrical circuits on the back of beer coasters.

Well in that case you must be Wattie!

dv said:

party_pants said:

tauto said:

It’s a moot point anyway. If Tony wants a DD then he has to face the fact that Clive might be to busy to see him.

No government wants a DD.

Well I wouldn’t go that far. Hawke managed to engineer two of them.

No government ‘these days’ would want a DD.

PermeateFree said:

The_observer said:

PermeateFree said:

Thought so, you are just a backside full of wind, that’s why people think you are a fuckwit.

What??? do you want to punch me or just moi phactFree?

Well do you want to try or not, you were the one going around like a constipated cockerel?

try what you idiot

you do sound like elvis reui. I think I got a match.

how’s the jet ski going elvis?

PermeateFree said:

party_pants said:

PermeateFree said:

You are BU aren’t you Mr weasel?

jjjust moi does not have the ability to draw electrical circuits on the back of beer coasters.

Well in that case you must be Wattie!

Nah, Wattie’s a nice guy, whereas I’m a complete arsehole. Besides which, I’ve never been to Esperance, they rejected my application.

No government wants a DD.

Well sometimes they do. Whitlam to clear out the old Senate (and have a joint sitting) in 74, Hawke to reset Senate terms in 84. But certainly you want to be very confident of winning: no government wants to risk losing the lower house in order to have a DD.

The_observer said:

PermeateFree said:

The_observer said:

What??? do you want to punch me or just moi phactFree?

Well do you want to try or not, you were the one going around like a constipated cockerel?

try what you idiot

you do sound like elvis reui. I think I got a match.

how’s the jet ski going elvis?

Thought so, all wind. Piss-off Observer, you are just a piece of hot air.

PermeateFree said:

The_observer said:

PermeateFree said:

Well do you want to try or not, you were the one going around like a constipated cockerel?

try what you idiot

you do sound like elvis reui. I think I got a match.

how’s the jet ski going elvis?

Thought so, all wind. Piss-off Observer, you are just a piece of hot air.

what, you really want a punch up elvis?

I don’t even know where you live

party_pants said:

PermeateFree said:

party_pants said:

jjjust moi does not have the ability to draw electrical circuits on the back of beer coasters.

Well in that case you must be Wattie!

Nah, Wattie’s a nice guy, whereas I’m a complete arsehole. Besides which, I’ve never been to Esperance, they rejected my application.

Are you saying you are jjjust moi?

Well what an entertaining and diverting distraction. Unless there are more finer points of constitutional conventions to discuss I may bid my farewell.

The_observer said:

PermeateFree said:

The_observer said:

try what you idiot

you do sound like elvis reui. I think I got a match.

how’s the jet ski going elvis?

Thought so, all wind. Piss-off Observer, you are just a piece of hot air.

what, you really want a punch up elvis?

I don’t even know where you live

Well a lot of people here do, certainly CS and most of the W.Aliens. Come anytime you like and see if you can bring CS with you, but I doubt it as he is even more gutless than you.

well, look at that.. now you have scared off one of those Martins….

MartinB said:

Well what an entertaining and diverting distraction. Unless there are more finer points of constitutional conventions to discuss I may bid my farewell.

—

:)

PermeateFree said:

The_observer said:

PermeateFree said:

Thought so, all wind. Piss-off Observer, you are just a piece of hot air.

what, you really want a punch up elvis?

I don’t even know where you live

Well a lot of people here do, certainly CS and most of the W.Aliens. Come anytime you like and see if you can bring CS with you, but I doubt it as he is even more gutless than you.

who’s CS & the W.Aliens. I could get your address from them elvis.

or are they people you see that nobody else does?

You’ve forgotten to take your pills, haven’t you elvis.

Off to the doctor then, before it costs you $7.00

The_observer said:

PermeateFree said:

The_observer said:

what, you really want a punch up elvis?

I don’t even know where you live

Well a lot of people here do, certainly CS and most of the W.Aliens. Come anytime you like and see if you can bring CS with you, but I doubt it as he is even more gutless than you.

who’s CS & the W.Aliens. I could get your address from them elvis.

or are they people you see that nobody else does?

You’ve forgotten to take your pills, haven’t you elvis.

Off to the doctor then, before it costs you $7.00

Please stop being the epiome of an arseclown Observer.

MartinB said:

Well what an entertaining and diverting distraction. Unless there are more finer points of constitutional conventions to discuss I may bid my farewell.

Please return. I for one, value your input on a range of subjects.

MartinB said:

Sorry it’s a long and rambling thread. I didn’t know if it was still the OP or if there was a later development.

Don’t waste your time Martin…

Was silly to post a sensible question here

Dropbear said:

MartinB said:

Sorry it’s a long and rambling thread. I didn’t know if it was still the OP or if there was a later development.

Don’t waste your time Martin…

Was silly to post a sensible question here

Well I’m just impressed with dv’s ability to summon Martin B from the Other World.

But I do wish permeate and observer would keep their crap to climate change threads,

The question was well covered by the Anthony Green article. Unless anyone here is a Constitutional lawyer, I doubt if much could be added.

“Unless there is other legislation that the government can use as a trigger to obtain a double dissolution, the blockage of supply can only force a House of Representatives election. There is no ability for the blockage of Appropriation bills as currently formulated to be used as a double dissolution trigger.”
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So it appears that Labor/Greens/Palmer could force a House of Reps election only by blocking supply.

It’s up to Abbott to call a DD, but he could only do that if other legislation fails to pass or is not “suitably amended”.

Dropbear said:

MartinB said:

Sorry it’s a long and rambling thread. I didn’t know if it was still the OP or if there was a later development.

Don’t waste your time Martin…

Was silly to post a sensible question here

In fairness there was also some good discussion here if you kept Permy and Obs on ignore.

rumpole said:

The question was well covered by the Anthony Green article. Unless anyone here is a Constitutional lawyer, I doubt if much could be added.

Note that Green is also not a constitional lawyer, and has previously made mistakes. His opinion is certainly interesting but it is not the last word on anything.

DDs can never be forced; it is always at the request of the PM.

GGs have consistently maintained their right to refuse a DD request but in practice have never fone so, although in 1983 GG Stephens made Fraser go back and give more detail as to why he needed a DD. (This actually ended up being significant because iy gave Hayden time to announce his resignatipn after being tapped on the shoulder that morning.)

There are currently no DD triggers but the Clean Energy Finance Corporation (Abolition) Bill is currently before the Senate for a second time so if/when it is rejected it will become one.

I too am not a constituional lawyer.

dv said:

has previously made mistakes.

Ref???? ;-)

Has anyone observed that Abbott would be crazy to call a DD right now?

He needs at least six months solid immigration alarmism before even thinking about another election.

“There are currently no DD triggers but the Clean Energy Finance Corporation (Abolition) Bill is currently before the Senate for a second time so if/when it is rejected it will become one. “
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Of course Abbott would be mad to hold a DD, because he would get creamed.

OTOH I’m starting to believe he really is mad.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Has anyone observed that Abbott would be crazy to call a DD right now?

He needs at least six months solid immigration alarmism before even thinking about another election.

Beat me to it by a millisecond Rev.

rumpole said:

“There are currently no DD triggers but the Clean Energy Finance Corporation (Abolition) Bill is currently before the Senate for a second time so if/when it is rejected it will become one. “
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Of course Abbott would be mad to hold a DD, because he would get creamed.

OTOH I’m starting to believe he really is mad.

He may be mad, but is he crazy? :)

rumpole said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Has anyone observed that Abbott would be crazy to call a DD right now?

He needs at least six months solid immigration alarmism before even thinking about another election.

Beat me to it by a millisecond Rev.

I beat you by 10,000 of them!

The Rev Dodgson said:

rumpole said:

“There are currently no DD triggers but the Clean Energy Finance Corporation (Abolition) Bill is currently before the Senate for a second time so if/when it is rejected it will become one. “
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Of course Abbott would be mad to hold a DD, because he would get creamed.

OTOH I’m starting to believe he really is mad.

He may be mad, but is he crazy? :)

They’ve got the wrong man at the top.

I saw Turnbull on Q&A a few weeks ago and what a difference. Articulate and not playing the abuse game, quite likeable in comparison to the, stammering clown Abbott.

The Rev Dodgson said:

rumpole said:

“There are currently no DD triggers but the Clean Energy Finance Corporation (Abolition) Bill is currently before the Senate for a second time so if/when it is rejected it will become one. “
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Of course Abbott would be mad to hold a DD, because he would get creamed.

OTOH I’m starting to believe he really is mad.

He may be mad, but is he crazy? :)

His cohort would be crazy if they didn’t get rid of him and Hockey ASAP.

rumpole said:

The question was well covered by the Anthony Green article. Unless anyone here is a Constitutional lawyer, I doubt if much could be added.

The question was not covered at all,

Green made a blanket statement that the ALP/Greens would not block supply.
I asked why not? And what would happen if they did. Turns out there’d be a house of reps election and supposedly Abbotts majority would be decimated.

“Green made a blanket statement that the ALP/Greens would not block supply.
I asked why not? “
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It’s doubtful whether Labor would block supply, they don’t want to create a precedent for something that could be used against them in the future.

Better to reject all the budget that doesn’t appeal to them, and get Abbott so frustrated he will over extend himself further and continue to show his ugly side that will make him unelectable when the election is called.

The reasons for thinking that the ALP will not block supply are historical/political, not constitutional. Green was expressing an opinion rather than stating a legal position. FWIW I agree.

Yes, in that situation there would be a HoR election. If the CEDC Bill has been rejected again by then Abbott would have the option of asking for a DD which he would certainly be granted.

they don’t want to create a precedent for something that could be used against them

I think the horse has bolted on that.

MartinB said:

they don’t want to create a precedent for something that could be used against them

I think the horse has bolted on that.

In 1975 , supply was not denied, it was delayed. Kerr sacked Whitlam before the Senate denied supply.

Given that you’d need a majority of the senate to block supply, I would hade thought the ALP + Greens were in the best place to use that as a tactic

Dropbear said:

Given that you’d need a majority of the senate to block supply, I would hade thought the ALP + Greens were in the best place to use that as a tactic

You would need ALP + Nutters (greens/palmer)

Peak Warming Man said:

Dropbear said:

Given that you’d need a majority of the senate to block supply, I would hade thought the ALP + Greens were in the best place to use that as a tactic

You would need ALP + Nutters (greens/palmer)

One could safely assume the greens don’t think much of the budget

Peak Warming Man said:

Dropbear said:

Given that you’d need a majority of the senate to block supply, I would hade thought the ALP + Greens were in the best place to use that as a tactic

You would need ALP + Nutters (greens/palmer)

You don’t include the ALP in the Nutters these days?

The Rev Dodgson said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Dropbear said:

Given that you’d need a majority of the senate to block supply, I would hade thought the ALP + Greens were in the best place to use that as a tactic

You would need ALP + Nutters (greens/palmer)

You don’t include the ALP in the Nutters these days?

I have never had them in the Nutters column.
They are in the Wankers Column.

From neither a DD point of view nor from the practical effect on government, there is no real difference between rejecting and “failing to pass”.

Dropbear said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Dropbear said:

Given that you’d need a majority of the senate to block supply, I would hade thought the ALP + Greens were in the best place to use that as a tactic

You would need ALP + Nutters (greens/palmer)

One could safely assume the greens don’t think much of the budget

You have to wonder how the massive number of people who voted Abbott, and now find that they don’t like him all that much, thought he was going to cut taxes, increase capital spending and balance the budget, if not by cutting services.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Dropbear said:

Peak Warming Man said:

You would need ALP + Nutters (greens/palmer)

One could safely assume the greens don’t think much of the budget

You have to wonder how the massive number of people who voted Abbott, and now find that they don’t like him all that much, thought he was going to cut taxes, increase capital spending and balance the budget, if not by cutting services.

Maybe they believed his iron clad promises

Peak Warming Man said:

They are in the Wankers Column.

More of an array, rather than a single column, I’d have thought.

(Not that there is anything wrong with wankers).

The Appropriations Bills will almost certainly go through the Parliament before June 30 and hence could be rejected by ALP + Greens.

The other Budget measures not contained within the Appropriations Bills will largely (though not entirely) go before the new Senate.

Dropbear said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Dropbear said:

One could safely assume the greens don’t think much of the budget

You have to wonder how the massive number of people who voted Abbott, and now find that they don’t like him all that much, thought he was going to cut taxes, increase capital spending and balance the budget, if not by cutting services.

Maybe they believed his iron clad promises

I blame those rightists at the ABC for not probing his intentions sufficiently forcefully before the election.

The Rev Dodgson said:

You have to wonder how the massive number of people who voted Abbott, and now find that they don’t like him all that much, thought he was going to cut taxes, increase capital spending and balance the budget, if not by cutting services.

As has been much observed, Costello’s first budget was something of a ‘bad news’ budget and people felt that they would be worse of personally because of it. However it rated well as being perceived as ‘good for the economy’ and as being harsh but relatively fair.

Hockey has achieved the dubious distinction of presenting a budget that is considered to be both bad for people personally and bad for the economy. Moreover it is clearly targeted at lower income earners while preserving the most significant benefits for upper income earners like the superannuation concessions.

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