Date: 4/06/2014 19:21:50
From: pesce.del.giorno
ID: 542563
Subject: Odometers

Is it possible to falsify modern car odometers? Hmm, yes, I’m sure it’s possible, but is it feasible?

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Date: 4/06/2014 19:24:03
From: Boris
ID: 542566
Subject: re: Odometers

probably. and maybe easier than the old style. get into one of the onboard computers and fiddle around.

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Date: 4/06/2014 19:24:09
From: party_pants
ID: 542567
Subject: re: Odometers

I think it is illegal.

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Date: 4/06/2014 19:33:05
From: transition
ID: 542574
Subject: re: Odometers

Probably have a counter reset pin somewhere on the chip, or maybe if has backup battery or goldcap you could drop the power off til it resets.

More brag to be had from more KMS on the clock though, which is much easier to organize with a signal generator, wont do much for your vehicle value though, unless you go all the way past 999999, which it may register somewhere on the screen.

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Date: 4/06/2014 19:34:59
From: Carmen_Sandiego
ID: 542577
Subject: re: Odometers

Possible? Yes.
Feasible? yes.
legal? Yes
Legal to sell it after you have modified it? No.

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Date: 4/06/2014 20:16:08
From: wookiemeister
ID: 542630
Subject: re: Odometers

transition said:


Probably have a counter reset pin somewhere on the chip, or maybe if has backup battery or goldcap you could drop the power off til it resets.

More brag to be had from more KMS on the clock though, which is much easier to organize with a signal generator, wont do much for your vehicle value though, unless you go all the way past 999999, which it may register somewhere on the screen.


I doubt if any such pin exists for a chip to do this

the reset pin if it exists won’t clear memory, it will only reset the existing programme already running

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Date: 4/06/2014 20:18:35
From: wookiemeister
ID: 542632
Subject: re: Odometers

you’d need to have the programme to somehow reprogramme it

I would make a circuit that once in place and running couldn’t be reprogrammed – it would need an entirely new board that the car would certify as bonafide

it wouldn’t surprise me if the car needs to recognise the separate parts that makes up its brains

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Date: 4/06/2014 20:21:41
From: Boris
ID: 542635
Subject: re: Odometers

it wouldn’t surprise me if the car needs to recognise the separate parts that makes up its brains

i guess if you want all the bits to ‘talk” to each other, which is probably useful, then yes. just like a normal computer system. the program for cars isn’t that big.

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Date: 4/06/2014 20:28:10
From: wookiemeister
ID: 542642
Subject: re: Odometers

Boris said:


it wouldn’t surprise me if the car needs to recognise the separate parts that makes up its brains

i guess if you want all the bits to ‘talk” to each other, which is probably useful, then yes. just like a normal computer system. the program for cars isn’t that big.


you’d need the parts to recognise each other so you couldn’t slip a rogue part in to tamper with other parts of the system

fixing the odometer would ideally require some specialist programme but I would still make it impossible for the odometer to be reset, its asking for trouble if you could.

maybe you’d need some address that is held sacrosanct and will never allow a lower figure to be put into it

if somehow the thing is reset or changed illegally it might have an internal flag that is raised when it next comes into service

ideally any kind of tampering should disable the odometer immediately

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Date: 4/06/2014 20:35:40
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 542652
Subject: re: Odometers

It’s basically impossible, other than to swap over the entire instrument panel unit for a car that has fewer K’s on it.
I’ve certainly never heard of it being done or even hinted at.

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Date: 4/06/2014 20:42:49
From: sibeen
ID: 542660
Subject: re: Odometers

Spiny Norman said:


It’s basically impossible, other than to swap over the entire instrument panel unit for a car that has fewer K’s on it.
I’ve certainly never heard of it being done or even hinted at.

Law 42.15 it remains legal for a bowler to run out a non-striker who has strayed outside his crease after he has started his run up, but before he has entered his delivery stride. (Appendix D of the 2000 Code defines delivery stride as the stride during which the delivery swing is made; it starts when the bowler’s back foot lands for that stride and ends when the front foot lands in the same stride.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Run_out

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Date: 4/06/2014 20:43:10
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 542662
Subject: re: Odometers

sibeen said:


Spiny Norman said:

It’s basically impossible, other than to swap over the entire instrument panel unit for a car that has fewer K’s on it.
I’ve certainly never heard of it being done or even hinted at.

Law 42.15 it remains legal for a bowler to run out a non-striker who has strayed outside his crease after he has started his run up, but before he has entered his delivery stride. (Appendix D of the 2000 Code defines delivery stride as the stride during which the delivery swing is made; it starts when the bowler’s back foot lands for that stride and ends when the front foot lands in the same stride.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Run_out

wot

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Date: 4/06/2014 20:45:02
From: party_pants
ID: 542665
Subject: re: Odometers

sibeen said:


Spiny Norman said:

It’s basically impossible, other than to swap over the entire instrument panel unit for a car that has fewer K’s on it.
I’ve certainly never heard of it being done or even hinted at.

Law 42.15 it remains legal for a bowler to run out a non-striker who has strayed outside his crease after he has started his run up, but before he has entered his delivery stride. (Appendix D of the 2000 Code defines delivery stride as the stride during which the delivery swing is made; it starts when the bowler’s back foot lands for that stride and ends when the front foot lands in the same stride.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Run_out

Thanks Sibeen – but I think you got the wrong thread :)

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Date: 4/06/2014 20:46:41
From: sibeen
ID: 542671
Subject: re: Odometers

Spiny Norman said:


sibeen said:

Spiny Norman said:

It’s basically impossible, other than to swap over the entire instrument panel unit for a car that has fewer K’s on it.
I’ve certainly never heard of it being done or even hinted at.

Law 42.15 it remains legal for a bowler to run out a non-striker who has strayed outside his crease after he has started his run up, but before he has entered his delivery stride. (Appendix D of the 2000 Code defines delivery stride as the stride during which the delivery swing is made; it starts when the bowler’s back foot lands for that stride and ends when the front foot lands in the same stride.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Run_out

wot

Don’t give that tone, young fella.

Off you trot now, and be a good lad.

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Date: 5/06/2014 04:59:26
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 542852
Subject: re: Odometers

Odometers on both my cars read high by about 5%. You’d think that it would be mandatory to install an odometer in a car that records distance accurately.

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Date: 5/06/2014 05:48:55
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 542858
Subject: re: Odometers

Video shows how easy it is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11MtfMqg4ko

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Date: 5/06/2014 06:57:37
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 542875
Subject: re: Odometers

mollwollfumble said:


Video shows how easy it is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11MtfMqg4ko

Wow, I’ve never seen that before.
I’ve asked on my car forum to see if that can be done here –
Performance Forums

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Date: 5/06/2014 06:58:40
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 542877
Subject: re: Odometers

And in the mean time, here’s an American eating a cactus.

I pity the fool

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Date: 5/06/2014 09:15:54
From: transition
ID: 542915
Subject: re: Odometers

Probably should say too that there is unlikely anything illegal about changing the distance total indication (when you own it) until you sell the vehicle or intend to sell it, that some circumstance tends to mislead or may mislead intentionally (or unintentionally) some future owner of the vehicle.

In truth you can have your odometer read whatever you want. You can have it run backwards if you want. So long as you have a working speedometer.

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