Date: 18/06/2014 10:49:33
From: JudgeMental
ID: 548853
Subject: Explaining the process of science

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A good visualization takes a complicated issue and uses clever visual aids to make it more clear. The beauty of the visualization below is that with a few dots and lines, the basic process of science is illuminated from the first gathering of evidence to our closest approximations of truth.

pictures and words at link.

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Date: 18/06/2014 10:57:42
From: Speedy
ID: 548855
Subject: re: Explaining the process of science

The few dots are cool.

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Date: 18/06/2014 11:23:15
From: Michael V
ID: 548860
Subject: re: Explaining the process of science

Nice work.

:)

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Date: 18/06/2014 11:35:20
From: MartinB
ID: 548862
Subject: re: Explaining the process of science

Well, it’s the usual Grade 10 science class naive empiricism.

Experiment never precedes theory in meaningful science. Experiments always are on the basis of existing theory and the observations are inhereny theory-laden.

Personally I also ascribe to the alternate interpretation of Occam’s Razor. Unless you are a strong Platonist you can’t make assumptions about ‘truth’ (whatever that is) will look like. Simpler theories are not more liky to be true but they are easier to test and so more productive for science.

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Date: 18/06/2014 11:45:05
From: sibeen
ID: 548867
Subject: re: Explaining the process of science

MartinB said:

Experiment never precedes theory in meaningful science.

Never?

What about high temperature superconductors. They were developed before any theory of their operation came into being.

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Date: 18/06/2014 11:47:48
From: Bubblecar
ID: 548869
Subject: re: Explaining the process of science

>Simpler theories are not more likely to be true

Surely it depends on the actual theories under discussion.

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Date: 18/06/2014 11:48:50
From: transition
ID: 548871
Subject: re: Explaining the process of science

>Experiment never precedes theory in meaningful science. Experiments always are on the basis of existing theory and the observations are inhereny theory-laden.

Not sure about this, depends to what status you elevate ‘proto-science’. For example a toddler exploring the world does so from a bunch of tools courtesy millions years of evolution, and the physics of the toddler’s body has (courtesy ancestors that survived, and their lessons of having observed those that didn’t) evolved and come to be through and within like physics, and you know toddlers have lots of ‘accidents’ getting aquainted with the unforgivingness of that physics.

So, from that, it looks like science (meaningful experience contributing to the formalisms) can start with accidents.

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Date: 18/06/2014 13:46:54
From: wookiemeister
ID: 548931
Subject: re: Explaining the process of science

Saccharine was discovered when someone picked up a cigarette that had been laying on some chemical

No theory involved there

It’s a dangerous way of thinking that theory is the be all of understanding the world

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Date: 18/06/2014 13:48:52
From: wookiemeister
ID: 548934
Subject: re: Explaining the process of science

Early science was almost all discovery by chance – there might have been theory developed before hand but it might have been wrong

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Date: 18/06/2014 15:21:06
From: MartinB
ID: 548956
Subject: re: Explaining the process of science

sibeen said:


MartinB said:

Experiment never precedes theory in meaningful science.

Never?

What about high temperature superconductors. They were developed before any theory of their operation came into being.

Ok, serendipitious discoveries, certainly not completely rare, are a special case, although stepping back I could say that such discoveries don’t come from mucking about, they come in pursuit of some matter. Probably best to just say that ‘never’ may be too strong, but that is not the way science is practised as a matter of course.

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Date: 18/06/2014 16:28:57
From: JudgeMental
ID: 548992
Subject: re: Explaining the process of science

thanks martin. would it have been better if hypothesis was used rather than theory at the start?

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Date: 18/06/2014 17:17:28
From: SCIENCE
ID: 549019
Subject: re: Explaining the process of science

Wastes a lot of space in that article.

/* Well, it’s the usual Grade 10 science class naive empiricism. */

I disagree, unless ‘u’r’ expressing that number in binary.

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