Date: 20/06/2014 14:48:13
From: pesce.del.giorno
ID: 549728
Subject: Probabilities

If I toss a coin once, the probability of a “heads” is 50%
What is the probability of a “heads” if I toss it twice?
Three times?

How is this calculated?

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Date: 20/06/2014 14:52:29
From: stumpy_seahorse
ID: 549731
Subject: re: Probabilities

pesce.del.giorno said:


If I toss a coin once, the probability of a “heads” is 50%
What is the probability of a “heads” if I toss it twice?
Three times?

How is this calculated?

do you mean the probability of heads coming up twice in two coin tosses?

If you are looking at each coin flip as an independant event, the probability of it coming up heads each time is 50% (well, just a little under)

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Date: 20/06/2014 15:06:20
From: pesce.del.giorno
ID: 549734
Subject: re: Probabilities

No, I mean what is the probability of throwing at least one head in two throws.
I seem to recall that there is an equation to solve this. Might have been Poisson. Can’t remember.

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Date: 20/06/2014 15:13:41
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 549735
Subject: re: Probabilities

pesce.del.giorno said:


No, I mean what is the probability of throwing at least one head in two throws.
I seem to recall that there is an equation to solve this. Might have been Poisson. Can’t remember.

for two throws
1 – probability of two tails = 0.75

For three throws
1 – probability of 3 tails = 0.875

and so on.

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Date: 20/06/2014 15:17:12
From: stumpy_seahorse
ID: 549736
Subject: re: Probabilities

pesce.del.giorno said:


No, I mean what is the probability of throwing at least one head in two throws.
I seem to recall that there is an equation to solve this. Might have been Poisson. Can’t remember.

take the number of possible outcomes (in this case 2, heads or tails) tothe power of the number of events.

If you are looking at only heads coming up, there is only 1 of these outcomes that shows all heads, therefore

2 heads is 25%
3 heads is 12.5%

(roughly as there is still a chance the coin will land on edge)

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Date: 20/06/2014 15:19:27
From: stumpy_seahorse
ID: 549737
Subject: re: Probabilities

yeah, Rev has it right, 1-(what i said) for the probability of at least 1 head coming up, not all heads coming up

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Date: 20/06/2014 15:32:52
From: pesce.del.giorno
ID: 549738
Subject: re: Probabilities

Yes, thanks Rev. I think that’s it.

So what I’m working towards is this. Many clinical studies are quoted with a P level of 0.05. (i.e. the probability that the observed outcome is due to chance is 5%, or 1 in 20.) If there are 20 such studies, what is the likelihood that at least one of them will show a fallacious outcome due to chance?

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Date: 20/06/2014 15:46:18
From: PM 2Ring
ID: 549740
Subject: re: Probabilities

pesce.del.giorno said:


Yes, thanks Rev. I think that’s it.

So what I’m working towards is this. Many clinical studies are quoted with a P level of 0.05. (i.e. the probability that the observed outcome is due to chance is 5%, or 1 in 20.) If there are 20 such studies, what is the likelihood that at least one of them will show a fallacious outcome due to chance?

That’s just like rolling 20 20-sided dice. Let’s say side ‘1’ of each die represents that the observed outcome is due to chance. So we want to know the probability that at least 1 die shows a ‘1’. Which is 1 – (the probability that no die shows a ‘1’).

So p = 1 – (0.95)^20
~= 0.6415 or 64.15%

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Date: 20/06/2014 15:55:27
From: PM 2Ring
ID: 549741
Subject: re: Probabilities

FWIW,
lim n → ∞ of (1 – 1/n)^n = 1/e = 0.36787944…, and this converges fairly quickly.

So if the probability of a single test result being due to chance is 1/n and we conduct n independent tests, the probability that at least one of our results is due to chance is roughly 1 – 1/e = 0.63212, for sufficiently large n.

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Date: 20/06/2014 16:56:10
From: pesce.del.giorno
ID: 549772
Subject: re: Probabilities

PM 2Ring said:


pesce.del.giorno said:

Yes, thanks Rev. I think that’s it.

So what I’m working towards is this. Many clinical studies are quoted with a P level of 0.05. (i.e. the probability that the observed outcome is due to chance is 5%, or 1 in 20.) If there are 20 such studies, what is the likelihood that at least one of them will show a fallacious outcome due to chance?

That’s just like rolling 20 20-sided dice. Let’s say side ‘1’ of each die represents that the observed outcome is due to chance. So we want to know the probability that at least 1 die shows a ‘1’. Which is 1 – (the probability that no die shows a ‘1’).

So p = 1 – (0.95)^20
~= 0.6415 or 64.15%

Thanks for that. It’s simpler than I thought, when you put it that way.

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Date: 20/06/2014 16:57:01
From: PM 2Ring
ID: 549773
Subject: re: Probabilities

No worries, Mr Fish.

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Date: 20/06/2014 22:42:47
From: SCIENCE
ID: 550056
Subject: re: Probabilities

What’s the probability that it will be one of the ones that is published?

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Date: 20/06/2014 22:48:10
From: PM 2Ring
ID: 550061
Subject: re: Probabilities

SCIENCE said:


What’s the probability that it will be one of the ones that is published?

Almost certain. :)

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