Date: 1/07/2014 22:10:15
From: AwesomeO
ID: 553718
Subject: Steps or stairs

Seems like a subject this forum should have covered but I cannot recall it. So is the energy requirement to climb the same? I expect ramp values like a winch would need to be calculated over time.

Other variables might be with human stride two steps might be superior to a ramp whose gradient is longer than the steps.

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Date: 1/07/2014 22:19:37
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 553719
Subject: re: Steps or stairs

New Scientist

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Date: 1/07/2014 23:10:24
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 553733
Subject: re: Steps or stairs

For the energetics of stairs vs ramps there’s a cross-over point.

For shallow slopes the swinging of the legs on a ramp is practically identical to that on the flat and the extra energy expended is trivial. But for steps on a shallow slope the need to raise the leg to avoid the riser makes the energy consumption more.

On the other hand, for steep slopes the advantage of having the feet land flat is a big one. On steep ramps the ankle flex isn’t enough so the body tends to topple over backwards from the unbalanced torque (or forwards if descending) and overcoming that torque requires non-optimal muscle movement. So steps are more energy efficient than ramps on steep slopes.

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Date: 1/07/2014 23:18:34
From: AwesomeO
ID: 553738
Subject: re: Steps or stairs

mollwollfumble said:


For the energetics of stairs vs ramps there’s a cross-over point.

For shallow slopes the swinging of the legs on a ramp is practically identical to that on the flat and the extra energy expended is trivial. But for steps on a shallow slope the need to raise the leg to avoid the riser makes the energy consumption more.

On the other hand, for steep slopes the advantage of having the feet land flat is a big one. On steep ramps the ankle flex isn’t enough so the body tends to topple over backwards from the unbalanced torque (or forwards if descending) and overcoming that torque requires non-optimal muscle movement. So steps are more energy efficient than ramps on steep slopes.

Makes sense, humans are lazy. Reading about the expansion of railways in America thecsamecsort of thing, human trails followed animal trails that without building bridges or levelling mountains were the most energy efficient way to navigate peaks, passes and valleys.
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Date: 1/07/2014 23:21:39
From: dv
ID: 553740
Subject: re: Steps or stairs

In my dialect, steps and stairs are the same thing.

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Date: 2/07/2014 20:20:41
From: Teleost
ID: 553955
Subject: re: Steps or stairs

dv said:


In my dialect, steps and stairs are the same thing.

A set of stairs is made from a number of steps.

Moll, what happens if a steep slope is climbed by diagonally traversing the contour?

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Date: 2/07/2014 23:01:26
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 554080
Subject: re: Steps or stairs

> Moll, what happens if a steep slope is climbed by diagonally traversing the contour?

I was hoping you wouldn’t ask that. I don’t know.

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Date: 3/07/2014 03:29:25
From: Postpocelipse
ID: 554135
Subject: re: Steps or stairs

AwesomeO said:

Makes sense, humans are lazy.

There are degrees of deflection we aren’t built to cope with comfortably.

Teleost said:


dv said:

In my dialect, steps and stairs are the same thing.

A set of stairs is made from a number of steps.

Technically steps are the treads which can be open or enclosed. The stair part is the supporting frame and casing…

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