Date: 9/07/2014 17:48:51
From: bob(from black rock)
ID: 556636
Subject: If you were homeless in Melbourne tonight

If you were homeless in Melbourne tonight what would you do? where would you find shelter? I think I read recently that there are 100,000 people homeless in Australia every night of the week.

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Date: 9/07/2014 17:53:22
From: transition
ID: 556638
Subject: re: If you were homeless in Melbourne tonight

>…100,000 people homeless in Australia every night of the week.

census figures?

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Date: 9/07/2014 18:01:35
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 556643
Subject: re: If you were homeless in Melbourne tonight

bob(from black rock) said:


If you were homeless in Melbourne tonight what would you do? where would you find shelter? I think I read recently that there are 100,000 people homeless in Australia every night of the week.

There’s a difference between being homeless and ‘rough sleeping’.

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Date: 9/07/2014 18:02:28
From: CrazyNeutrino
ID: 556644
Subject: re: If you were homeless in Melbourne tonight

Cardboard boxes with plastic rubbish bags taped over to water proof them
newspapers as blankets

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Date: 9/07/2014 18:04:02
From: AwesomeO
ID: 556646
Subject: re: If you were homeless in Melbourne tonight

Witty Rejoinder said:


bob(from black rock) said:

If you were homeless in Melbourne tonight what would you do? where would you find shelter? I think I read recently that there are 100,000 people homeless in Australia every night of the week.

There’s a difference between being homeless and ‘rough sleeping’.

What is that? I had a response but realised it probably wouldn’t work for people without an actual house and probably smelly with a substance abuse problem.

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Date: 9/07/2014 18:04:58
From: bob(from black rock)
ID: 556647
Subject: re: If you were homeless in Melbourne tonight

Witty Rejoinder said:


bob(from black rock) said:

If you were homeless in Melbourne tonight what would you do? where would you find shelter? I think I read recently that there are 100,000 people homeless in Australia every night of the week.

There’s a difference between being homeless and ‘rough sleeping’.

OK, feel free to answer either, or both.

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Date: 9/07/2014 18:05:10
From: CrazyNeutrino
ID: 556648
Subject: re: If you were homeless in Melbourne tonight

railway waiting rooms

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Date: 9/07/2014 18:07:27
From: transition
ID: 556651
Subject: re: If you were homeless in Melbourne tonight

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelessness_in_Australia

This article describes homelessness in Australia. The majority of long term homeless people are found in the large cities of Sydney, Melbourne, Perth, and Brisbane. It is estimated that on any given night approximately 105,000 people will be homeless.

A person is considered to be homeless in Australia if they: – Do not have access to safe, secure adequate housing, or, if the only housing they have access to damages, or is likely to damage, their health. – Are in circumstances which threaten or adversely affect the adequacy, safety, security, or affordability of their home. – Have no security of tenure – that is, they have no legal right to continued occupation of their home.

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Date: 9/07/2014 18:07:31
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 556652
Subject: re: If you were homeless in Melbourne tonight

AwesomeO said:

What is that? I had a response but realised it probably wouldn’t work for people without an actual house and probably smelly with a substance abuse problem.

Rough sleeping seems to be the term used for camping out in a public place. If you squat, sleep in your car, or sleep over at a friends house you are still included in the stats as homeless.

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Date: 9/07/2014 18:08:21
From: OCDC
ID: 556654
Subject: re: If you were homeless in Melbourne tonight

According to one of the social workers at work, couch-surfing for two years isn’t considered homeless…

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Date: 9/07/2014 18:13:21
From: wookiemeister
ID: 556658
Subject: re: If you were homeless in Melbourne tonight

You could sleep in a car I suppose

I knew someone who was effectively sleeping on the street for about 1.5 years or more at TAFE, bit of a strange character ( think he went mad ).

You had plenty of stories of people trying to break in whilst he was sleeping

The best one was that in car you have to take a piss of a night (into a plastic bottle). He tried using the small coke bottles and the like but graduated to larger 2L bottles which he would fill to the brim but always forget to take them out till he was driving around with about 20 L of piss hidden around the vehicle – for a joke he handed someone one of these bottles as they got out the car and they nearly had their hand round it when they recoiled in horror.

I think he drank as well

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Date: 9/07/2014 18:21:47
From: Skeptic Pete
ID: 556668
Subject: re: If you were homeless in Melbourne tonight

I’d go to the casino.

And if I were real desperate, I’d scavenge left over meals from the cafeteria.

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Date: 9/07/2014 18:27:34
From: SCIENCE
ID: 556671
Subject: re: If you were homeless in Melbourne tonight

i asked them, they squatted, or just chilled out on the bench,

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Date: 9/07/2014 18:36:41
From: wookiemeister
ID: 556676
Subject: re: If you were homeless in Melbourne tonight

SCIENCE said:


i asked them, they squatted, or just chilled out on the bench,

its risky, you expose yourself to attack. you can get more protection in more frequented locations and set up camp there. cardboard sheeting to stop the cold of the concrete / asphalt drawing heat from you. sleeping bag or the like to keep heat in on the top.

sleeping alone is riskier than having people in a similar situation

you can hide in parks etc or set up in the lit parts of parks but this is also risky as you can be set upon by yobs – now and then apart from getting a hiding you can get killed

graveyards – you should set up camp away from the main thoroughfares – you probably shouldn’t use the same grave (mausoleum) every night, if you are seen of a day or leave traces for people to realise you are camping they can call the police or return to attack you of a night. if you are a drunk or similar you can simply sleep rough on open tombstones etc – as a genral rule there will be other people sleeping rough there too. they can leave you alone, co operate or be a problem

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Date: 9/07/2014 18:39:05
From: wookiemeister
ID: 556677
Subject: re: If you were homeless in Melbourne tonight

wookiemeister said:


SCIENCE said:

i asked them, they squatted, or just chilled out on the bench,

its risky, you expose yourself to attack. you can get more protection in more frequented locations and set up camp there. cardboard sheeting to stop the cold of the concrete / asphalt drawing heat from you. sleeping bag or the like to keep heat in on the top.

sleeping alone is riskier than having people in a similar situation

you can hide in parks etc or set up in the lit parts of parks but this is also risky as you can be set upon by yobs – now and then apart from getting a hiding you can get killed

graveyards – you should set up camp away from the main thoroughfares – you probably shouldn’t use the same grave (mausoleum) every night, if you are seen of a day or leave traces for people to realise you are camping they can call the police or return to attack you of a night. if you are a drunk or similar you can simply sleep rough on open tombstones etc – as a genral rule there will be other people sleeping rough there too. they can leave you alone, co operate or be a problem


normally longer grass is better to bed down on

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Date: 9/07/2014 20:12:58
From: transition
ID: 556712
Subject: re: If you were homeless in Melbourne tonight

of the homeful right
for a little contrast
enjoy homeless plight
it’s a silent blast

contrast is to ideology
comparison too
as gods are to mythology
the friend of who’s who

of the hypercontrasting
hides the absolutist
regards your wellbeing
otherwise unconformist

fall into line or pay
find yourself displaced
the game you will play
the hidden disgrace

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Date: 9/07/2014 20:42:24
From: wookiemeister
ID: 556725
Subject: re: If you were homeless in Melbourne tonight

its a problem that seemingly can’t be solved

we can spend 50,000 dollars to send joe hockey a chef whilst he’s on holiday in America but we can’t make sure the homeless have somewhere to stay

the least you could do is possibly set up a tent city in an outer suburb somewhere not near some horrible housing estate

the way I’d do it is to take a leaf out of the romans and the kibbutz model

lay down a square perimeter, one main gate, a inner perimeter track that follows the fence. lay down gravel tracks in a grid pattern inside with sand patches for tents to be set up on them (you need drainage when it rains)

you can have drains that take water away from the area, plastic duct with a metal grill to stop people falling in

the camp is split into quadrants, each with a Wi-Fi tower

you’d split each basic category of social need amongst the quadrants – you wouldn’t have single mums with kids living in the same quadrant as single males for example

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Date: 9/07/2014 23:33:27
From: dv
ID: 556848
Subject: re: If you were homeless in Melbourne tonight

The streetsmartaustralia site says that about 14000 people are sleeping rough. I am going to assuming you are referring to sleeping rough. If I was homeless and in a homeless shelter, what I would do tonight was sleep in a homeless shelter.

If I literally had no place to sleep I would do what needed doing to get a place to stay. Assuming that I am impecunious as heck, I would not have a phone or money for a phone so I would’ve gone to a public library early this morning and used the internet services to rustle up a bed at a shelter.

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Date: 10/07/2014 13:42:13
From: Soso
ID: 557026
Subject: re: If you were homeless in Melbourne tonight

transition said:


A person is considered to be homeless in Australia if they … Are in circumstances which threaten or adversely affect the … affordability of their home.

So you are considered homeless whenever the interest rate on your mortgage might be going up?

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Date: 10/07/2014 14:24:54
From: wookiemeister
ID: 557031
Subject: re: If you were homeless in Melbourne tonight

Soso said:


transition said:

A person is considered to be homeless in Australia if they … Are in circumstances which threaten or adversely affect the … affordability of their home.

So you are considered homeless whenever the interest rate on your mortgage might be going up?


The bank always owns your house until you pay the mortgage, regardless of interest rates .

They hold the deeds to the house until such time ??

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Date: 10/07/2014 14:33:46
From: party_pants
ID: 557038
Subject: re: If you were homeless in Melbourne tonight

wookiemeister said:


Soso said:

transition said:

A person is considered to be homeless in Australia if they … Are in circumstances which threaten or adversely affect the … affordability of their home.

So you are considered homeless whenever the interest rate on your mortgage might be going up?


The bank always owns your house until you pay the mortgage, regardless of interest rates .

They hold the deeds to the house until such time ??

Bullshit. They hold a mortgage.

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