Concerns for apes as palm oil industry expands into Africa
http://www.abc.net.au/environment/articles/2014/07/15/4045556.htm

>>FIRST IT WAS THE orangutans that suffered as oil palm plantations stretched their way across South-East Asia. Now a new study has shown the great apes of Africa face a similar threat as the burgeoning oil palm industry expands into the region.<<

Our take over of the environment, goes on and on and on. What a dreadful world we are creating.

PermeateFree said:

Concerns for apes as palm oil industry expands into Africa
http://www.abc.net.au/environment/articles/2014/07/15/4045556.htm

>>FIRST IT WAS THE orangutans that suffered as oil palm plantations stretched their way across South-East Asia. Now a new study has shown the great apes of Africa face a similar threat as the burgeoning oil palm industry expands into the region.<<

Our take over of the environment, goes on and on and on. What a dreadful world we are creating.

whats the solution?

Reduce population and/or the way we do things.

PermeateFree said:

Concerns for apes as palm oil industry expands into Africa
http://www.abc.net.au/environment/articles/2014/07/15/4045556.htm

>>FIRST IT WAS THE orangutans that suffered as oil palm plantations stretched their way across South-East Asia. Now a new study has shown the great apes of Africa face a similar threat as the burgeoning oil palm industry expands into the region.<<

Our take over of the environment, goes on and on and on. What a dreadful world we are creating.

I’d ban palm oil over here – its very nasty stuff, if it gets onto electrical cable it absorbs into the plastic and then splits it open.

I find it gives me horrible blind spots on my skin, i try to avoid the soap as well – palm oil production is driving orangutans into extinction

The_observer said:

PermeateFree said:

Concerns for apes as palm oil industry expands into Africa
http://www.abc.net.au/environment/articles/2014/07/15/4045556.htm

>>FIRST IT WAS THE orangutans that suffered as oil palm plantations stretched their way across South-East Asia. Now a new study has shown the great apes of Africa face a similar threat as the burgeoning oil palm industry expands into the region.<<

Our take over of the environment, goes on and on and on. What a dreadful world we are creating.

whats the solution?

olive oil

theres plenty of cheap and nasty live oil

You guys are forgetting that palm oil is so far the only completely successful alternative to fuel oil mining. It is THE biofuel success story.

And no, it is not driving the orang-utan to extinction. That’s logging. And even logging is now being managed to minimise the impact of logging in any particular location – by expanding it to cover the greatest possible land surface area :-(

mollwollfumble said:

You guys are forgetting that palm oil is so far the only completely successful alternative to fuel oil mining. It is THE biofuel success story.

And no, it is not driving the orang-utan to extinction. That’s logging. And even logging is now being managed to minimise the impact of logging in any particular location – by expanding it to cover the greatest possible land surface area :-(

Rather than thinking everything is either this way or that, why not consider the environment as being extremely complex. Yes there is logging that is one exploitive component, then comes the Palm Oil plantations. One may follow the other, or done independently.

It would appear that you think biofuels are more important than a close relative of ours, you must also think that the (human) food production that is converted to biofuels is also more important than even feeding ourselves. Biofuels has an application with some bi-products and/or those organisms that reproduce rapidly, but to produce at the expense of endangered wildlife, especially the great apes is beyond belief.

mollwollfumble, you may know a great deal about some aspects of science, but you have proved time and time again that you know absolutely nothing about environmental matters and personally I wish you would not comment on them at all, as you are constantly incorrect in your statements and only create misunderstanding.

> Rather than thinking everything is either this way or that, why not consider the environment as being extremely complex. Yes there is logging that is one exploitive component, then comes the Palm Oil plantations. One may follow the other, or done independently.

Bullshit.

Oops, sorry, knee jerk reaction.

But yes I have been to Borneo and seen the palm oil plantations from the air, and looked into the plight of the Orang Utan while I was there. I have also looked at the whole of Sarawak on Google Earth to see the extent of logging there. I strongly suggest that you do the latter before saying anything else stupid.

> mollwollfumble, you may know a great deal about some aspects of science

To add to my credentials. As part of my work for CSIRO, I recently attended the International Conference on Plant Lipids. I didn’t see you there.

And I can state with absolute certainty that of all the biofuels and known potential biofuels, palm oil plantations have a smaller environmental impact than any other biofuels. And that includes algal oils, jatropha, ethanol, maize, soy and canola.

My CSIRO research that took me to that conference was my work on algal biofuels in general and maximising algal oil production in particular.

mollwollfumble said:

> mollwollfumble, you may know a great deal about some aspects of science

To add to my credentials. As part of my work for CSIRO, I recently attended the International Conference on Plant Lipids. I didn’t see you there.

And I can state with absolute certainty that of all the biofuels and known potential biofuels, palm oil plantations have a smaller environmental impact than any other biofuels. And that includes algal oils, jatropha, ethanol, maize, soy and canola.

My CSIRO research that took me to that conference was my work on algal biofuels in general and maximising algal oil production in particular.

to mollwollfumble – hear hear

whats Al Gore say about it perm?

wookiemeister said:

PermeateFree said:

Concerns for apes as palm oil industry expands into Africa
http://www.abc.net.au/environment/articles/2014/07/15/4045556.htm

>>FIRST IT WAS THE orangutans that suffered as oil palm plantations stretched their way across South-East Asia. Now a new study has shown the great apes of Africa face a similar threat as the burgeoning oil palm industry expands into the region.<<

Our take over of the environment, goes on and on and on. What a dreadful world we are creating.

I’d ban palm oil over here – its very nasty stuff, if it gets onto electrical cable it absorbs into the plastic and then splits it open.

I find it gives me horrible blind spots on my skin, i try to avoid the soap as well – palm oil production is driving orangutans into extinction

not just the orang utans…

mollwollfumble said:

You guys are forgetting that palm oil is so far the only completely successful alternative to fuel oil mining. It is THE biofuel success story.

And no, it is not driving the orang-utan to extinction. That’s logging. And even logging is now being managed to minimise the impact of logging in any particular location – by expanding it to cover the greatest possible land surface area :-(

yes.. it is. the methods of development are savage and not sustainable to the environment

For those who missed it, The Checkout had a good segment about palm oil a couple of weeks ago.

“derived from the mesocarp (reddish pulp) of the fruit of the oil palms, primarily the African oil palm Elaeis guineensis”

So what’s wrong with Africa doing it?

In recent years, almost a fifth of oil palm expansion in Indonesia and Malaysia has taken place on peat swamps. When these peat swamps are cleared and drained they release enormous amounts of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. Up to 66 per cent of all climate change emissions from oil palm plantations come from the 17 per cent of plantations on carbon-rich peat soils.

Is there such a thing as sustainable palm oil?

Yes. Around 15 per cent of the world’s palm oil production was certified sustainable in 2013, up from 10 per cent in 2011.

mollwollfumble said:

Oops, sorry, knee jerk reaction.

But yes I have been to Borneo and seen the palm oil plantations from the air, and looked into the plight of the Orang Utan while I was there. I have also looked at the whole of Sarawak on Google Earth to see the extent of logging there. I strongly suggest that you do the latter before saying anything else stupid.

mollwollfumble concerning environmental matters you appear to have a very narrow and shallow view of the problems it faces. Certainly logging is a major factor, but in case you did not realise it, the country needs to be logged (cleared) BEFORE they can use it for Palm Oil production. Might be an idea if you researched the problems that are actually facing the Great Apes before saying anything even more stupid.

“climate change emissions”

is that a new term?

mollwollfumble said:

> mollwollfumble, you may know a great deal about some aspects of science

To add to my credentials. As part of my work for CSIRO, I recently attended the International Conference on Plant Lipids. I didn’t see you there.

And I can state with absolute certainty that of all the biofuels and known potential biofuels, palm oil plantations have a smaller environmental impact than any other biofuels. And that includes algal oils, jatropha, ethanol, maize, soy and canola.

My CSIRO research that took me to that conference was my work on algal biofuels in general and maximising algal oil production in particular.

Well let us look at what Plant lipid biochemistry involves, from which it is quite clear where you are coming from and why you know so little regarding environmental maters, that is beside the making of biofuels.

>>Plant lipid biochemistry is enjoying unprecedented growth as pressure looms for the global vegetable oil market to meet an ever increasing demand for both edible oils and sustainable substitutes for petrochemicals. Not only is there great interest in increasing vegetable oil yield and modifying the fatty composition for a widening array of specialty applications, but researchers are beginning to consider the potential for introducing oil-formation pathways into traditionally non-oleaginous tissues, such as leaves. The success of these modifications will largely depend on our ability to untangle the complex molecular events at the heart of plant lipid synthesis on both a genetic and biochemical level. The rise of functional genomics and associated resources has greatly enhanced our “big picture” view of plant lipid metabolism, but has at the same time reminded us of how much there is left to learn. The emergence of lipidomics promises to couple functional genomics and systems biology with cutting-edge lipid analytical techniques, bridging a vital gap between gene function and in vivo physiological outcomes.<<

PermeateFree said:

mollwollfumble said:

> mollwollfumble, you may know a great deal about some aspects of science

To add to my credentials. As part of my work for CSIRO, I recently attended the International Conference on Plant Lipids. I didn’t see you there.

And I can state with absolute certainty that of all the biofuels and known potential biofuels, palm oil plantations have a smaller environmental impact than any other biofuels. And that includes algal oils, jatropha, ethanol, maize, soy and canola.

My CSIRO research that took me to that conference was my work on algal biofuels in general and maximising algal oil production in particular.

Well let us look at what Plant lipid biochemistry involves, from which it is quite clear where you are coming from and why you know so little regarding environmental maters, that is beside the making of biofuels.

>>Plant lipid biochemistry is enjoying unprecedented growth as pressure looms for the global vegetable oil market to meet an ever increasing demand for both edible oils and sustainable substitutes for petrochemicals. Not only is there great interest in increasing vegetable oil yield and modifying the fatty composition for a widening array of specialty applications, but researchers are beginning to consider the potential for introducing oil-formation pathways into traditionally non-oleaginous tissues, such as leaves. The success of these modifications will largely depend on our ability to untangle the complex molecular events at the heart of plant lipid synthesis on both a genetic and biochemical level. The rise of functional genomics and associated resources has greatly enhanced our “big picture” view of plant lipid metabolism, but has at the same time reminded us of how much there is left to learn. The emergence of lipidomics promises to couple functional genomics and systems biology with cutting-edge lipid analytical techniques, bridging a vital gap between gene function and in vivo physiological outcomes.<<

http://lipidlibrary.aocs.org/plantbio/plantlip.html