I don’t mean politicians or people who drop bombs, I am thinking of individuals heavily engaged in murders. Might be that British doctor? Or maybe some ancient warrior? Or an executioner though that is not exactly murder.

AwesomeO said:

I don’t mean politicians or people who drop bombs, I am thinking of individuals heavily engaged in murders. Might be that British doctor? Or maybe some ancient warrior? Or an executioner though that is not exactly murder.

according to the old testament – El/ jehovah

I presume you mean someone who has committed each killing individually, and not part of a mass-murder or industrial-scale type execution regime killing dozens or hundreds at a time?

I reckon some of those crusaders probably butchered a few

We have Harold Shipman and Dr Bodkin Adam (250 each), compared to my old mate Fred West (a mere 30).

party_pants said:

I presume you mean someone who has committed each killing individually, and not part of a mass-murder or industrial-scale type execution regime killing dozens or hundreds at a time?

Yeah, blood on hands. Though that may be difficult to assess for nazi death camp selectors?

the bomb aimer of the Enola gay

you’ll find that the mass murderers of history were managers working for the government

AwesomeO said:

party_pants said:

I presume you mean someone who has committed each killing individually, and not part of a mass-murder or industrial-scale type execution regime killing dozens or hundreds at a time?

Yeah, blood on hands. Though that may be difficult to assess for nazi death camp selectors?

Bet it was a quiet unassuming little man that was assigned as executioner to someone like Vlad the Impaler .

One of the Pharaohs is depicted slaughtering hundreds of captives. But he probably just did one or two while posing for the sculptor and left his underlings to kill the rest.

wookiemeister said:

you’ll find that the mass murderers of history were managers working for the government

Some are working on their own

serial killers like Martin Bryant killed 35 and injured 23

PermeateFree said:

AwesomeO said:

party_pants said:

I presume you mean someone who has committed each killing individually, and not part of a mass-murder or industrial-scale type execution regime killing dozens or hundreds at a time?

Yeah, blood on hands. Though that may be difficult to assess for nazi death camp selectors?

Bet it was a quiet unassuming little man that was assigned as executioner to someone like Vlad the Impaler .

That is my thinking. Maybe an official royal executioner to the sultans with a long career.

AwesomeO said:

PermeateFree said:

AwesomeO said:

Yeah, blood on hands. Though that may be difficult to assess for nazi death camp selectors?

Bet it was a quiet unassuming little man that was assigned as executioner to someone like Vlad the Impaler .

That is my thinking. Maybe an official royal executioner to the sultans with a long career.

It’s a difficult question

there could be many instances in history that have gone unnoticed/ unreported

from wiki

Australian mass murders

Cullin-La-Ringo massacre – Horatio Wills and his traveling party were killed by Aborigines at Cullin-La-Ringo Station in Queensland in 1860; police, native police and civilians killed 60 to 70 Aborigines in response.

George David Silva murdered six members of the Ching family at Alligator Creek near Mackay, Queensland in 1911.

Coniston massacre – Over 50 Aboriginal people were killed in the last Aboriginal massacre in 1928. The motive was revenge for the killing of dingo hunter Frederick Brooks.

CrazyNeutrino said:

wookiemeister said:

you’ll find that the mass murderers of history were managers working for the government

Some are working on their own

serial killers like Martin Bryant killed 35 and injured 23

chicken feed, the government will easily kill that number in a few days through their stupidity

instead of giving out free vaccines to the working population, supplying money for medical treatment the government will spend 500 million dollars on the G20!! pot plants eat your heart out.

Australia’s presidency of the G20 in 2014 will cost taxpayers almost half a billion dollars
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/business/jessica-irvine/jessica-irvine-unlikely-benefits-gained-from-g20-will-exceed-cost/story-fnj45kvd-1226834596982?nk=2a0604af9cd4d271bc5b8f34fce1d241

you can get away with murder if you know how

I killed a bunch of people once…

then you’ve got the legal system letting known maniacs kill people again and again

the legal system would be responsible for thousands of deaths every year

furious said:

I killed a bunch of people once…

Did they deserve it?

wookiemeister said:

then you’ve got the legal system letting known maniacs kill people again and again

the legal system would be responsible for thousands of deaths every year

What about those types who go around recommending apricot seeds for every affliction?

furious said:

I killed a bunch of people once…

difficult to kill them more than once..

OCDC said:

We have Harold Shipman and Dr Bodkin Adam (250 each), compared to my old mate Fred West (a mere 30).

Even with Famous Doctors its a difficult question

How many of their patients wanted to die vs those that maybe didn’t want to die?

consider Dr Philip Nitschke

he is helping people to die, after all it is their (the patients) right to die isn’t it

but things change when relatives / other people interfere due to greed

I support euthanasia btw

but not forced euthanasia

wookiemeister said:

chicken feed, the government will easily kill that number in a few days through their stupidity

instead of giving out free vaccines to the working population, supplying money for medical treatment the government will spend 500 million dollars on the G20!! pot plants eat your heart out.

Australia’s presidency of the G20 in 2014 will cost taxpayers almost half a billion dollars
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/business/jessica-irvine/jessica-irvine-unlikely-benefits-gained-from-g20-will-exceed-cost/story-fnj45kvd-1226834596982?nk=2a0604af9cd4d271bc5b8f34fce1d241

you can get away with murder if you know how

Glad it’s being held in QLD then…

… you going down to Brisbane for it?

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

then you’ve got the legal system letting known maniacs kill people again and again

the legal system would be responsible for thousands of deaths every year

What about those types who go around recommending apricot seeds for every affliction?

or medicine that kills maims and kills people due to wrong prescriptions

America’s Healthcare System is the Third Leading Cause of Death

http://www.health-care-reform.net/causedeath.htm

ok

so what do we have here

government

lawyers

doctors

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wookiemeister said:

ok

so what do we have here

government

lawyers

doctors

You do realise all of these examples were deliberately excluded by the OP?
you did read it first, yes??

they never learn

hypercomparison
it be a disease
right of the demon
into your please
into your home
hand them the keys

is wookie changing the goalposts so he’s right again?

ChrispenEvan said:

is wookie changing the goalposts so he’s right again?

I think he’s just kicking the ball anywhere he feels like it, without regard to the location of the goal posts.

Who has killed the most people?

Rachel Carson, EPA Administrator William Ruckelshaus, & the environmental movement

Since the 1972 U.S. ban on DDT, more than 50 million people —about 90 percent of whom
resided in sub-Saharan Africa, and most of whom were children younger than five—have died of malaria.

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=1259

http://capitalresearch.org/pubs/pdf/OT0705.pdf

not changing the goal posts

people who work for the government aren’t politicians

neither are doctors or lawyers

they don’t drop bombs

I mean we don’t know how many people dr death (aka patel) has killed in his time due to his stupidity

guess what – its the legal system trying to get him back into service, I wonder how many people he will kill when he starts working as a doctor again?

The_observer said:

Who has killed the most people?

Rachel Carson, EPA Administrator William Ruckelshaus, & the environmental movement

Since the 1972 U.S. ban on DDT, more than 50 million people —about 90 percent of whom
resided in sub-Saharan Africa, and most of whom were children younger than five—have died of malaria.

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=1259

http://capitalresearch.org/pubs/pdf/OT0705.pdf

and of course there are no other methods to control mosquitoes

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I am not the sort who attempts to control or direct a thread but I thought I made clear the intent of the discussion. But instead of thinking the same old boxes have been unpacked and thoughts recycled.

wookiemeister said:

and of course there are no other methods to control mosquitoes

According to Dr. Robert Desowitz , professor of tropical medicine at the University of North Carolina: “From colonial times until the 1940s,
malaria was the American disease”—annually afflicting as many as 7 million Americans and killing several thousand. In 1936, for instance,
some 3,900 U.S. residents died of malaria.

But these casualty figures were dwarfed by those of other countries.

In India during the 1930s, for example, approximately 100 million people contracted malaria each year, and at least a million of them died as a
result. In Africa, hundreds of millions of people per year became infected, and several million of them lost their lives as well.

By the time World War II began, people worldwide were essentially powerless in the face of this dread disease, just as they had been
throughout most of human history. Then in 1939, everything changed. The Swiss scientist Paul Müller developed the synthetic pesticide DDT
(Dichloro-Diphenyl-Trichloroethane), which proved to be a remarkably effective means of killing the mosquitoes responsible for malaria’s
transmission (and killing also pests like flies, aphids, and potato beetles that carry such infectious diseases as bubonic plague, typhus, yellow
fever, and encephalitis).

Encouraged by DDT’s unmatched success in killing the carriers of infectious disease, in May 1955 the World Health Organization, at its Eighth
World Health Assembly, initiated a Global Malaria Eradication Campaign (GMEC). Funded mostly by the U.S. government, the GMEC focused
heavily on the use of DDT as a means of combating malaria in North America, southern Europe, the Caribbean, and much of eastern and
southern Asia. By 1961, malaria had been nearly eliminated from each of those regions. In South Africa, malaria rates plummeted by 80
percent in just 18 months as a result of spraying small amounts of DDT on the walls and eaves of traditional mud and thatch huts twice a year.
Similarly, the incidence of malaria declined by 60 percent in Ecuador and by 90 percent in Madagascar.

The_observer said:

wookiemeister said:

and of course there are no other methods to control mosquitoes

According to Dr. Robert Desowitz , professor of tropical medicine at the University of North Carolina: “From colonial times until the 1940s,
malaria was the American disease”—annually afflicting as many as 7 million Americans and killing several thousand. In 1936, for instance,
some 3,900 U.S. residents died of malaria.

But these casualty figures were dwarfed by those of other countries.

In India during the 1930s, for example, approximately 100 million people contracted malaria each year, and at least a million of them died as a
result. In Africa, hundreds of millions of people per year became infected, and several million of them lost their lives as well.

By the time World War II began, people worldwide were essentially powerless in the face of this dread disease, just as they had been
throughout most of human history. Then in 1939, everything changed. The Swiss scientist Paul Müller developed the synthetic pesticide DDT
(Dichloro-Diphenyl-Trichloroethane), which proved to be a remarkably effective means of killing the mosquitoes responsible for malaria’s
transmission (and killing also pests like flies, aphids, and potato beetles that carry such infectious diseases as bubonic plague, typhus, yellow
fever, and encephalitis).

Encouraged by DDT’s unmatched success in killing the carriers of infectious disease, in May 1955 the World Health Organization, at its Eighth
World Health Assembly, initiated a Global Malaria Eradication Campaign (GMEC). Funded mostly by the U.S. government, the GMEC focused
heavily on the use of DDT as a means of combating malaria in North America, southern Europe, the Caribbean, and much of eastern and
southern Asia. By 1961, malaria had been nearly eliminated from each of those regions. In South Africa, malaria rates plummeted by 80
percent in just 18 months as a result of spraying small amounts of DDT on the walls and eaves of traditional mud and thatch huts twice a year.
Similarly, the incidence of malaria declined by 60 percent in Ecuador and by 90 percent in Madagascar.

if we simply dropped atomic bombs on swamp land I’m sure that would cure the mosquito problem too

fortunately the answer to controlling malaria can’t be using dangerous chemicals

The_observer said:

Who has killed the most people?

Rachel Carson, EPA Administrator William Ruckelshaus, & the environmental movement

Since the 1972 U.S. ban on DDT, more than 50 million people —about 90 percent of whom
resided in sub-Saharan Africa, and most of whom were children younger than five—have died of malaria.

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=1259

http://capitalresearch.org/pubs/pdf/OT0705.pdf

If you want to go down that path, the UNICEF bore project in Bangladesh is in a similar league.

http://www.mailman.columbia.edu/academic-departments/environmental-health/research-service/new-study-links-one-five-deaths-banglades

wookiemeister said:

if we simply dropped atomic bombs on swamp land I’m sure that would cure the mosquito problem too

fortunately the answer to controlling malaria can’t be using dangerous chemicals

<<<<<<<<<<<

In 1985 the International Agency for Research on Cancer concluded that “DDT has had no significant impact on human cancer patterns and is
unlikely to be an important carcinogen for man at previous exposure levels, within the statistical limitations of the data.”

In 1997 the New England Journal of Medicine stated, “Our data do not support the hypothesis that exposure to and PCBs increases the risk of breast cancer.”

In August 1998, the Journal of Occupational and Environmental Medicine reported: “Data from three studies in four Midwestern states showed no strong consistent evidence for an association between exposure to DDT and risk of non-
Hodgkin’s lymphoma.”

In June 1999, the journal Cancer Epidemiology Biomarkers & Prevention stated, “Even after 20 years of follow-up, exposure to relatively high
concentrations of DDE or PCBs showed no evidence of contributing to an increased risk of breast cancer.”

One long-term study examined 35 workers who, for periods ranging from 9 to 19 years, were exposed to DDT levels that were 600 times
greater than those to which average Americans were exposed; no ill effects were observed.

In another study of male subjects who voluntarily ingested 35 milligrams of DDT daily for nearly two years, the subjects “developed no adverse
effects .”

According to the Journal of Cancer Research and Clinical Oncology, when primates were exposed to quantities of DDT that were more than
33,000 times greater than the average daily human exposure to the pesticide (as estimated in 1969 and 1972), the results were “inconclusive
with respect to a carcinogenic effect of DDT in nonhuman primates.” Another study found that exposure to DDT reduced the size of tumors in
animals.

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=1259

At issue is the banning of DDT. Bjorn Lomborg, of The Skeptical Environmentalist fame; puts the basic science briskly.

“Our intake of coffee is about 50 times more carcinogenic than our intake of DDT before it was banned…the cancer risk for DDT is about
0.00008 per cent.”

Ted Lapkin insists in November’s edition of Quadrant that it’s “still widely regarded as the single most powerful weapon at our disposal in the
war against malaria” and that its disuse has been a scandal of public policy. Author Michael Crichton, in an address to the Commonwealth Club
in San Francisco, claimed that “banning DDT is one of the most disgraceful episodes in the 20thcentury history of America”.

The junkscience.com website sees the ban as a tool for First World bureaucrats to pursue the goal of zero population growth in the developing
world.

what about the people that carried out executions in the Roman arenas?

Some dozens of people at the time would be put to death by the sword for the amusement of the crowds. Christians, captives, criminals – all lined up and killed one by one.

Some bloke who had a job there for ten years might have got through a few in a career.

Bunch of goddamn amateurs.

Chuck Norris is the answer.

party_pants said:

what about the people that carried out executions in the Roman arenas?

Some dozens of people at the time would be put to death by the sword for the amusement of the crowds. Christians, captives, criminals – all lined up and killed one by one.

Some bloke who had a job there for ten years might have got through a few in a career.

the games weren’t all the time, they were a sustained performance

crucifixions would tally up a few

party_pants said:

what about the people that carried out executions in the Roman arenas?

Some dozens of people at the time would be put to death by the sword for the amusement of the crowds. Christians, captives, criminals – all lined up and killed one by one.

Some bloke who had a job there for ten years might have got through a few in a career.

the games weren’t all the time, they were a sustained performance

crucifixions would tally up a few

party_pants said:

what about the people that carried out executions in the Roman arenas?

Some dozens of people at the time would be put to death by the sword for the amusement of the crowds. Christians, captives, criminals – all lined up and killed one by one.

Some bloke who had a job there for ten years might have got through a few in a career.

Yep, there would be your numbers, 5 or 6 a night during the games season over a career.

How about Jim Jones? 900 people died in a mass suicide that he instigated.

in modern times I’d say that any doctor in an abortion clinic has killed more people than jones

Mao Tse-Tung

I remember the day we were servicing all the stuff in the local clinic, we crouched down , the suction unit between us

“I wonder how many people this thing has killed?” I pondered

I did the test and slapped another sticker on the lead and the wheels of the machine gathered speed once more

you’d see these chicks crying their eyes out outside

we were mistakenly ushered into the room where the women were taken after the op (I think) – they must have done the killing in batches I think rather being strung out over the day

Dropbear said:

Mao Tse-Tung

Explain how?

party_pants said:

Dropbear said:

Mao Tse-Tung

Explain how?

too many rabbits

mao wanted to thin out the population a bit by some adversity – eugenics I guess.

he deliberately fucked people up and caused great strife and hardship

party_pants said:

Dropbear said:

Mao Tse-Tung

Explain how?

He’s personally responsible for more deaths than anyone else in history

Dropbear said:

party_pants said:

Dropbear said:

Mao Tse-Tung

Explain how?

He’s personally responsible for more deaths than anyone else in history

How many did he kill personally which was where I was coming from. Well aware of various dictators and systems body counts.

If it’s serial killers you mean then lexxie already said it

apparently the doctor who runs the place used to have a statue of man holding a trident of all things

I suppose to kill the foetus would must have to stab it I suppose – not sure

maybe you stab the foetus and then suck it out along with the placenta?

Dropbear said:

If it’s serial killers you mean then lexxie already said it

I was going a third way.

An estimated 80,000 – 90,000 surgical abortions are performed in Australia each year. 1 , 2 This equates to approximately 250 per day, or one abortion for every 2.8 live births.3 One in three Australian women will have an abortion in their lifetime. 4

in Australia I’d say for individuals it would be hard to go past abortion doctors for kills

or is all this business about killing getting a little bit dirty for you?

An estimated 80,000 – 90,000 surgical abortions are performed in Australia each year. 1 , 2 This equates to approximately 250 per day, or one abortion for every 2.8 live births.3 One in three Australian women will have an abortion in their lifetime. 4

in Australia I’d say for individuals it would be hard to go past abortion doctors for kills

or is all this business about killing getting a little bit dirty for you?

wookiemeister said:

An estimated 80,000 – 90,000 surgical abortions are performed in Australia each year. 1 , 2 This equates to approximately 250 per day, or one abortion for every 2.8 live births.3 One in three Australian women will have an abortion in their lifetime. 4

in Australia I’d say for individuals it would be hard to go past abortion doctors for kills

or is all this business about killing getting a little bit dirty for you?

Who me? No it doesn’t really fit with what I was thinking but I can see how you got there.

Pedro López

López became known as the “Monster of the Andes” in 1980 when he led police to the graves of 53 of his victims in Ecuador, all girls between nine and twelve years old. In 1983 he was found guilty of murdering 110 young girls in Ecuador alone and confessed to a further 240 murders of missing girls in neighbouring Peru and Colombia. López was released from prison in 1998.

from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_L%C3%B3pez_(serial_killer)

Seriously, if the guy was released from prison in 1998 and his whereabouts are unknown, I think that number must be much greater.

Doctors killing patients can go undetected, but I’m sure there’d be a case which is much worse that Lopez’s.

I don’t think it counts if it’s legal, does it? A soldiers killing with superior weapons? Settlers killing unarmed natives etc?

AwesomeO said:

wookiemeister said:

An estimated 80,000 – 90,000 surgical abortions are performed in Australia each year. 1 , 2 This equates to approximately 250 per day, or one abortion for every 2.8 live births.3 One in three Australian women will have an abortion in their lifetime. 4

in Australia I’d say for individuals it would be hard to go past abortion doctors for kills

or is all this business about killing getting a little bit dirty for you?

Who me? No it doesn’t really fit with what I was thinking but I can see how you got there.

its a valid point I think

if we are talking about individuals then an abortion doctor would have to be up there for killing people

in this case its legal murder, the foetus isn’t regarded as having any rights because its not recognised as being a human being but its still human. if you kill the pup of a human then legally its ok – if you killed the unborn pups of a pregnant dog you’d at leats face a fine of 200 bucks if you showed remorse.

funny old world ain’t it?

AwesomeO said:

wookiemeister said:

An estimated 80,000 – 90,000 surgical abortions are performed in Australia each year. 1 , 2 This equates to approximately 250 per day, or one abortion for every 2.8 live births.3 One in three Australian women will have an abortion in their lifetime. 4

in Australia I’d say for individuals it would be hard to go past abortion doctors for kills

or is all this business about killing getting a little bit dirty for you?

Who me? No it doesn’t really fit with what I was thinking but I can see how you got there.

its a valid point I think

if we are talking about individuals then an abortion doctor would have to be up there for killing people

in this case its legal murder, the foetus isn’t regarded as having any rights because its not recognised as being a human being but its still human. if you kill the pup of a human then legally its ok – if you killed the unborn pups of a pregnant dog you’d at leats face a fine of 200 bucks if you showed remorse.

funny old world ain’t it?

Speedy said:

Pedro López

López became known as the “Monster of the Andes” in 1980 when he led police to the graves of 53 of his victims in Ecuador, all girls between nine and twelve years old. In 1983 he was found guilty of murdering 110 young girls in Ecuador alone and confessed to a further 240 murders of missing girls in neighbouring Peru and Colombia. López was released from prison in 1998.

from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_L%C3%B3pez_(serial_killer)

Seriously, if the guy was released from prison in 1998 and his whereabouts are unknown, I think that number must be much greater.

Doctors killing patients can go undetected, but I’m sure there’d be a case which is much worse that Lopez’s.

I don’t think it counts if it’s legal, does it? A soldiers killing with superior weapons? Settlers killing unarmed natives etc?

Interesting one.

I can’t believe they released him!

Hospitals should cremate or bury aborted foetuses rather than incinerating them, the medical director of the NHS in England says.

The move by Prof Sir Bruce Keogh comes after it emerged that some hospitals have been burning foetuses as clinical waste
http://www.bbc.com/news/health-26716924

remember – I only quote from the book

I don’t write it

Speedy said:

Pedro López

López became known as the “Monster of the Andes” in 1980 when he led police to the graves of 53 of his victims in Ecuador, all girls between nine and twelve years old. In 1983 he was found guilty of murdering 110 young girls in Ecuador alone and confessed to a further 240 murders of missing girls in neighbouring Peru and Colombia. López was released from prison in 1998.

from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_L%C3%B3pez_(serial_killer)

Seriously, if the guy was released from prison in 1998 and his whereabouts are unknown, I think that number must be much greater.

Doctors killing patients can go undetected, but I’m sure there’d be a case which is much worse that Lopez’s.

I don’t think it counts if it’s legal, does it? A soldiers killing with superior weapons? Settlers killing unarmed natives etc?

To me illegality doesn’t matter too much, after all legal is sometimes after the fact. Just wondering about the person or the job who could most legitimately say, I have killed more people than anyone else. And not by signing bits of paper.

Speedy said:

Pedro López

López became known as the “Monster of the Andes” in 1980 when he led police to the graves of 53 of his victims in Ecuador, all girls between nine and twelve years old. In 1983 he was found guilty of murdering 110 young girls in Ecuador alone and confessed to a further 240 murders of missing girls in neighbouring Peru and Colombia. López was released from prison in 1998.

from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_L%C3%B3pez_(serial_killer)

Seriously, if the guy was released from prison in 1998 and his whereabouts are unknown, I think that number must be much greater.

Doctors killing patients can go undetected, but I’m sure there’d be a case which is much worse that Lopez’s.

I don’t think it counts if it’s legal, does it? A soldiers killing with superior weapons? Settlers killing unarmed natives etc?

To me illegality doesn’t matter too much, after all legal is sometimes after the fact. Just wondering about the person or the job who could most legitimately say, I have killed more people than anyone else. And not by signing bits of paper.

party_pants said:

Interesting one.

I can’t believe they released him!

Me neither. There was another who escaped from prison, murdered some more but was killed in prison the second time around.

AwesomeO said:

To me illegality doesn’t matter too much, after all legal is sometimes after the fact. Just wondering about the person or the job who could most legitimately say, I have killed more people than anyone else. And not by signing bits of paper.

OK, what about this guy?

Vasili Mikhailovich Blokhin (January 7, 1895 – February 3, 1955) was a Soviet Major-General who served as the chief executioner of the Stalinist NKVD under the administrations of Genrikh Yagoda, Nikolai Yezhov and Lavrentiy Beria (after their respective falls from power, Yagoda and Yezhov were executed by Blokhin himself). Hand-picked for the position by Joseph Stalin in 1926, Blokhin led a company of executioners that performed and supervised numerous mass executions during Stalin’s reign, mostly during the Great Purge and World War II. He is recorded as having executed tens of thousands of prisoners by his own hand, including his killing of about 7,000 Polish prisoners of war during the Katyn massacre in spring 1940, making him the most prolific official executioner in recorded world history. Forced into a retirement following the death of Stalin, Blokhin died in 1955, officially by suicide.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasili_Blokhin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_serial_killers_by_number_of_victims

wookiemeister said:

its a valid point I think

if we are talking about individuals then an abortion doctor would have to be up there for killing people

in this case its legal murder, the foetus isn’t regarded as having any rights because its not recognised as being a human being but its still human. if you kill the pup of a human then legally its ok – if you killed the unborn pups of pregnant dog you’d at leats face a fine of 200 bucks if you showed remorse.

funny old world ain’t it?

I don’t disagree, I already said it. Was not what I was thinking but I can see how you got there. My notions in this between legal ans murder is mixed. I would tend not to count it though in my mind, I would want to see occupations and lives behind the names of those killed.

Speedy said:

AwesomeO said:

To me illegality doesn’t matter too much, after all legal is sometimes after the fact. Just wondering about the person or the job who could most legitimately say, I have killed more people than anyone else. And not by signing bits of paper.

OK, what about this guy?

Vasili Mikhailovich Blokhin (January 7, 1895 – February 3, 1955) was a Soviet Major-General who served as the chief executioner of the Stalinist NKVD under the administrations of Genrikh Yagoda, Nikolai Yezhov and Lavrentiy Beria (after their respective falls from power, Yagoda and Yezhov were executed by Blokhin himself). Hand-picked for the position by Joseph Stalin in 1926, Blokhin led a company of executioners that performed and supervised numerous mass executions during Stalin’s reign, mostly during the Great Purge and World War II. He is recorded as having executed tens of thousands of prisoners by his own hand, including his killing of about 7,000 Polish prisoners of war during the Katyn massacre in spring 1940, making him the most prolific official executioner in recorded world history. Forced into a retirement following the death of Stalin, Blokhin died in 1955, officially by suicide.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasili_Blokhin

He would count. Tens of thousands is a hell of a personal tally.

Speedy said:

AwesomeO said:

To me illegality doesn’t matter too much, after all legal is sometimes after the fact. Just wondering about the person or the job who could most legitimately say, I have killed more people than anyone else. And not by signing bits of paper.

OK, what about this guy?

Vasili Mikhailovich Blokhin (January 7, 1895 – February 3, 1955) was a Soviet Major-General who served as the chief executioner of the Stalinist NKVD under the administrations of Genrikh Yagoda, Nikolai Yezhov and Lavrentiy Beria (after their respective falls from power, Yagoda and Yezhov were executed by Blokhin himself). Hand-picked for the position by Joseph Stalin in 1926, Blokhin led a company of executioners that performed and supervised numerous mass executions during Stalin’s reign, mostly during the Great Purge and World War II. He is recorded as having executed tens of thousands of prisoners by his own hand, including his killing of about 7,000 Polish prisoners of war during the Katyn massacre in spring 1940, making him the most prolific official executioner in recorded world history. Forced into a retirement following the death of Stalin, Blokhin died in 1955, officially by suicide.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasili_Blokhin

Seems like a nice chap.

Probably came from a good family.

>after all legal is sometimes after the fact. Just wondering about the person or the job who could most legitimately say”

The German state apparatus killed ~30,000000 Russians in WW2?

Of ~50,000000 that died in total?

The state has the legitimate right to kill. Note it has the sole legitimacy to do with births, deaths (you become ‘property’ of the state the moment you die). It makes you a citizen, and can determine you are not or are not any longer.

transition said:

>after all legal is sometimes after the fact. Just wondering about the person or the job who could most legitimately say”

The German state apparatus killed ~30,000000 Russians in WW2?

Of ~50,000000 that died in total?

The state has the legitimate right to kill. Note it has the sole legitimacy to do with births, deaths (you become ‘property’ of the state the moment you die). It makes you a citizen, and can determine you are not or are not any longer.

the state gives itself the legal protection to kill, that’s the great beauty of the system

the hari krishnas for example are allowed to kill people their priests direct them to kill

you are doing the victim a favour because when they are killed they come back at the same level in the next life – by administrating justice to them in this life they don’t go back a level in the next

you’ll find most religions give their followers a good explanation and legal reasoning for killing people.

>the state gives itself the legal protection to kill, that’s the great beauty of the system

i’ve finished my coffee now

AwesomeO said:

I don’t mean politicians or people who drop bombs, I am thinking of individuals heavily engaged in murders. Might be that British doctor? Or maybe some ancient warrior? Or an executioner though that is not exactly murder.

probably the bloke who invented leaded petrol and CFC’s and etc.

roughbarked said:

AwesomeO said:

I don’t mean politicians or people who drop bombs, I am thinking of individuals heavily engaged in murders. Might be that British doctor? Or maybe some ancient warrior? Or an executioner though that is not exactly murder.

probably the bloke who invented leaded petrol and CFC’s and etc.

Again no. I am not sure if my questions intent was not clear or as I suspect, people are a bit dim or just determined to push barrows.

AwesomeO said:

roughbarked said:

AwesomeO said:

I don’t mean politicians or people who drop bombs, I am thinking of individuals heavily engaged in murders. Might be that British doctor? Or maybe some ancient warrior? Or an executioner though that is not exactly murder.

probably the bloke who invented leaded petrol and CFC’s and etc.

Again no. I am not sure if my questions intent was not clear or as I suspect, people are a bit dim or just determined to push barrows.

He did kill a lot of people but not intentionally as in deliberately murder them Thomas Midgley.

AwesomeO said:

roughbarked said:

..or as I suspect, people are a bit dim or just determined to push barrows.

A bit from part A and a bit from part B :)

AwesomeO said:

Again no. I am not sure if my questions intent was not clear or as I suspect, people are a bit dim or just determined to push barrows.

I think it’s a case of reading the thread title, and not the question.

I was thinking of answering “Hitler 6.5 million” as I clicked to open the thread, but then I read it.

party_pants said:

AwesomeO said:

Again no. I am not sure if my questions intent was not clear or as I suspect, people are a bit dim or just determined to push barrows.

I think it’s a case of reading the thread title, and not the question.

I was thinking of answering “Hitler 6.5 million” as I clicked to open the thread, but then I read it.

Something along those lines yes.

Luis Garavito Colombia 1990s proven victims 138, possible victims 172–400+
Child-murderer, torture-killer, and rapist known as “La Bestia” (“The Beast”). Confessed to killing 140 children over a 5-year period in Colombia. He is suspected of murdering over 400 victims, mostly street children.

My avatar Tamburlaine was pretty good at DIY killing.

Tamb said:

My avatar Tamburlaine was pretty good at DIY killing.

That is so Lame!

:)

Should I assume that group actions like 911 are discounted also? Historically Chinghis, Caligula or Nero may have their hands up for personal head counts……..

Postpocelipse said:

Should I assume that group actions like 911 are discounted also? Historically Chinghis, Caligula or Nero may have their hands up for personal head counts……..

Maybe scratch Nero and Caligula due to the degree that their hand may not have done the deed in most cases. Chinghis I would leave there as it is likely he would have had a very substantial personal head count. Peter the Great was also known for performing is own beheadings.

The top 3 known serial killers are all Columbian, Luis Garavito tops that list with 172-400

Serial killers with the highest known victim count

Postpocelipse said:

Peter the Great was also known for performing is own beheadings.

yeah but he can only do that once…

Divine Angel said:

Postpocelipse said:

Peter the Great was also known for performing his own beheadings.

yeah but he can only do that once…

He would have preferred that to dying of a gangrene infected bladder I’d wager……

Cardiac arrest I think would have killed more humans than anything else, just a guess.

Charles Cullen has been convicted of killing about 40 people, but authorities suspect he actually killed up to 400, making him America’s most prolific serial killer.

roughbarked said:

party_pants said:

AwesomeO said:

Again no. I am not sure if my questions intent was not clear or as I suspect, people are a bit dim or just determined to push barrows.

I think it’s a case of reading the thread title, and not the question.

I was thinking of answering “Hitler 6.5 million” as I clicked to open the thread, but then I read it.

Something along those lines yes.

Luis Garavito Colombia 1990s proven victims 138, possible victims 172–400+
Child-murderer, torture-killer, and rapist known as “La Bestia” (“The Beast”). Confessed to killing 140 children over a 5-year period in Colombia. He is suspected of murdering over 400 victims, mostly street children.

Perhaps worse than Charles Cullen?

Maybe. I guess no one will ever know the true figures for any of them. Sick bastards they are :(

Speedy said:

AwesomeO said:

To me illegality doesn’t matter too much, after all legal is sometimes after the fact. Just wondering about the person or the job who could most legitimately say, I have killed more people than anyone else. And not by signing bits of paper.

OK, what about this guy?

Vasili Mikhailovich Blokhin (January 7, 1895 – February 3, 1955) was a Soviet Major-General who served as the chief executioner of the Stalinist NKVD under the administrations of Genrikh Yagoda, Nikolai Yezhov and Lavrentiy Beria (after their respective falls from power, Yagoda and Yezhov were executed by Blokhin himself). Hand-picked for the position by Joseph Stalin in 1926, Blokhin led a company of executioners that performed and supervised numerous mass executions during Stalin’s reign, mostly during the Great Purge and World War II. He is recorded as having executed tens of thousands of prisoners by his own hand, including his killing of about 7,000 Polish prisoners of war during the Katyn massacre in spring 1940, making him the most prolific official executioner in recorded world history. Forced into a retirement following the death of Stalin, Blokhin died in 1955, officially by suicide.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasili_Blokhin

Perhaps worse than Luis Garavito ;)

Speedy said:

Speedy said:

AwesomeO said:

To me illegality doesn’t matter too much, after all legal is sometimes after the fact. Just wondering about the person or the job who could most legitimately say, I have killed more people than anyone else. And not by signing bits of paper.

OK, what about this guy?

Vasili Mikhailovich Blokhin (January 7, 1895 – February 3, 1955) was a Soviet Major-General who served as the chief executioner of the Stalinist NKVD under the administrations of Genrikh Yagoda, Nikolai Yezhov and Lavrentiy Beria (after their respective falls from power, Yagoda and Yezhov were executed by Blokhin himself). Hand-picked for the position by Joseph Stalin in 1926, Blokhin led a company of executioners that performed and supervised numerous mass executions during Stalin’s reign, mostly during the Great Purge and World War II. He is recorded as having executed tens of thousands of prisoners by his own hand, including his killing of about 7,000 Polish prisoners of war during the Katyn massacre in spring 1940, making him the most prolific official executioner in recorded world history. Forced into a retirement following the death of Stalin, Blokhin died in 1955, officially by suicide.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasili_Blokhin

Perhaps worse than Luis Garavito ;)

Who actually knows the figures of the people in charge at Hitlers camps. I’m sure that though many hated that position that those in charge wanted to be.

Charles Cullen also attempted suicide over 40 times… wow, he really sucked at topping himself although it seems he was quite good at topping others.

Divine Angel said:

Maybe. I guess no one will ever know the true figures for any of them. Sick bastards they are :(

Yes. Obviously the people who do this “illegally” are sick bastards with obsessive thoughts/impulsivity issues, but in the case of Vasili Mikhailovich Blokhin, doing this day-in, day-out is something else. He would have really had to have believed that this ethnic cleansing was for good and to be able to completely block out all emotion. Perhaps he had black-and-white thinking, as well as an inability to empathise with others, making him the perfect candidate for the role.

Divine Angel said:

Charles Cullen also attempted suicide over 40 times… wow, he really sucked at topping himself although it seems he was quite good at topping others.

Charles Cullen also half-attempted suicide over 40 times

roughbarked said:

Who actually knows the figures of the people in charge at Hitlers camps. I’m sure that though many hated that position that those in charge wanted to be.

Human nature is a weird thing. I’ve read about studies where “normal” people become sadistic when given positions of authority.

Speedy said:

roughbarked said:

Who actually knows the figures of the people in charge at Hitlers camps. I’m sure that though many hated that position that those in charge wanted to be.

Human nature is a weird thing. I’ve read about studies where “normal” people become sadistic when given positions of authority.

accsession?

Speedy said:

Divine Angel said:

Maybe. I guess no one will ever know the true figures for any of them. Sick bastards they are :(

Yes. Obviously the people who do this “illegally” are sick bastards with obsessive thoughts/impulsivity issues, but in the case of Vasili Mikhailovich Blokhin, doing this day-in, day-out is something else. He would have really had to have believed that this ethnic cleansing was for good and to be able to completely block out all emotion. Perhaps he had black-and-white thinking, as well as an inability to empathise with others, making him the perfect candidate for the role.

Oh yes. Same as the guys who dropped the bombs over Japan; you need a certain kind of person with a certain mentality to do these kinds of jobs.

Speedy said:

roughbarked said:

Who actually knows the figures of the people in charge at Hitlers camps. I’m sure that though many hated that position that those in charge wanted to be.

Human nature is a weird thing. I’ve read about studies where “normal” people become sadistic when given positions of authority.

“The social psychology of this century reveals a major lesson: often it is not so much the kind of person a man is as the kind of situation in which he finds himself that determines how he will act.” –Stanley Milgram, 1974

If a person in a position of authority ordered you to deliver a 400-volt electrical shock to another person, would you follow orders? Most people would answer this question with an adamant no, but Yale University psychologist Stanley Milgram conducted a series of obedience experiments during the 1960s that demonstrated surprising results. These experiments offer a powerful and disturbing look into the power of authority and obedience.

http://psychology.about.com/od/historyofpsychology/a/milgram.htm

Divine Angel said:

Charles Cullen also attempted suicide over 40 times… wow, he really sucked at topping himself although it seems he was quite good at topping others.

self preservation is a killing field?

Speedy said:

roughbarked said:

Who actually knows the figures of the people in charge at Hitlers camps. I’m sure that though many hated that position that those in charge wanted to be.

Human nature is a weird thing. I’ve read about studies where “normal” people become sadistic when given positions of authority.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment

Yes, and more specifically in relation to the holocaust

Milgram_experiment

A Report on the Banality of Evil

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eichmann_in_Jerusalem

captain_spalding said:

A Report on the Banality of Evil

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eichmann_in_Jerusalem

It would have to have started there.

How about old age? recon that has killed most humans.

bob(from black rock) said:

How about old age? recon that has killed most humans.

More of us die beforehand.

roughbarked said:

bob(from black rock) said:

How about old age? recon that has killed most humans.

More of us die beforehand.

If only it worked, sex could kill more humans.

bob(from black rock) said:

How about old age? recon that has killed most humans.

How old is old? Back in ancient times, you’d be lucky to hit 35.

roughbarked said:

bob(from black rock) said:

How about old age? recon that has killed most humans.

More of us die beforehand.

Yes, but of a host of other causes.

Who has killed the most people?

that Virus over there

CrazyNeutrino said:

Who has killed the most people?

that Virus over there

actually it was that mosquito.