Date: 31/07/2014 15:02:43
From: CrazyNeutrino
ID: 569125
Subject: New York Governor's Bold Medical Marijuana Move

Children’s Deaths Prompt New York Governor’s Bold Medical Marijuana Move

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D) on Wednesday called for faster implementation of the state’s medical marijuana law, which passed last month but won’t take effect for another year and a half.

In a letter to the state Health Department, Cuomo cited the deaths of two children from complications of seizure disorders who could have been treated with medical cannabis. The Huffington Post reported last week that the death of 9-year-old Anna Conte prompted drug reform advocates to demand that Cuomo find a way to speed access to medical marijuana for patients with chronic conditions.

“The deaths … were tragic reminders of the urgent help children with epilepsy desperately need,” Cuomo wrote. “The children struggling with this condition deserve every consideration we can make that will potentially ease their pain and suffering.”

Conte’s mother, Wendy Conte, applauded the governor’s effort in a statement Wednesday, saying she hopes he will continue to focus on the issue. “We know that this medicine is readily available,” Conte said. “There is simply no reason, or excuse for why another child, like Anna, must die.”

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Date: 31/07/2014 15:04:17
From: Divine Angel
ID: 569128
Subject: re: New York Governor's Bold Medical Marijuana Move

CN, did you see there’s a medical marijuana thing on 60 Minutes this Sunday?

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Date: 31/07/2014 15:06:28
From: CrazyNeutrino
ID: 569131
Subject: re: New York Governor's Bold Medical Marijuana Move

Divine Angel said:


CN, did you see there’s a medical marijuana thing on 60 Minutes this Sunday?

no I didnt

thanks for the info

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Date: 31/07/2014 15:07:28
From: sibeen
ID: 569133
Subject: re: New York Governor's Bold Medical Marijuana Move

CrazyNeutrino said:


Children’s Deaths Prompt New York Governor’s Bold Medical Marijuana Move

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D) on Wednesday called for faster implementation of the state’s medical marijuana law, which passed last month but won’t take effect for another year and a half.

In a letter to the state Health Department, Cuomo cited the deaths of two children from complications of seizure disorders who could have been treated with medical cannabis. The Huffington Post reported last week that the death of 9-year-old Anna Conte prompted drug reform advocates to demand that Cuomo find a way to speed access to medical marijuana for patients with chronic conditions.

“The deaths … were tragic reminders of the urgent help children with epilepsy desperately need,” Cuomo wrote. “The children struggling with this condition deserve every consideration we can make that will potentially ease their pain and suffering.”

Conte’s mother, Wendy Conte, applauded the governor’s effort in a statement Wednesday, saying she hopes he will continue to focus on the issue. “We know that this medicine is readily available,” Conte said. “There is simply no reason, or excuse for why another child, like Anna, must die.”

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I find that a tad strange. If one of my daughters required marijuana to stay alive she’d be getting marijuana, and bugger the status of the State’s laws.

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Date: 31/07/2014 15:48:12
From: The_observer
ID: 569157
Subject: re: New York Governor's Bold Medical Marijuana Move

why do we need to legalise marijuana for supposed medicinal use when the active ingredient of marijuana, THC, is already available on prescription in pill form, Dronabinol, as is the oral whole-leaf cannabis extract, Sativex?

does one get ‘bent’ when using Dronabinol or Sativex?

probably not I’m guessing.

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Date: 31/07/2014 15:52:51
From: Divine Angel
ID: 569162
Subject: re: New York Governor's Bold Medical Marijuana Move

The_observer said:

why do we need to legalise marijuana for supposed medicinal use when the active ingredient of marijuana, THC, is already available on prescription in pill form, Dronabinol, as is the oral whole-leaf cannabis extract, Sativex?

does one get ‘bent’ when using Dronabinol or Sativex?

probably not I’m guessing.

THC vs Medical marijuana

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Date: 31/07/2014 15:55:40
From: The_observer
ID: 569165
Subject: re: New York Governor's Bold Medical Marijuana Move

Divine Angel said:


The_observer said:

why do we need to legalise marijuana for supposed medicinal use when the active ingredient of marijuana, THC, is already available on prescription in pill form, Dronabinol, as is the oral whole-leaf cannabis extract, Sativex?

does one get ‘bent’ when using Dronabinol or Sativex?

probably not I’m guessing.

THC vs Medical marijuana

thanks for the link DA, I’ll have a read, although as you can understand, much info on wiki I take with a grain of salt.
Depends on who’s edited the page.

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Date: 31/07/2014 15:57:27
From: Divine Angel
ID: 569167
Subject: re: New York Governor's Bold Medical Marijuana Move

Agreed, but it’s a good place to start and sometimes has good references in which to further your research independently.

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Date: 31/07/2014 15:58:56
From: PermeateFree
ID: 569168
Subject: re: New York Governor's Bold Medical Marijuana Move

The_observer said:


Divine Angel said:

The_observer said:

why do we need to legalise marijuana for supposed medicinal use when the active ingredient of marijuana, THC, is already available on prescription in pill form, Dronabinol, as is the oral whole-leaf cannabis extract, Sativex?

does one get ‘bent’ when using Dronabinol or Sativex?

probably not I’m guessing.

THC vs Medical marijuana

thanks for the link DA, I’ll have a read, although as you can understand, much info on wiki I take with a grain of salt.
Depends on who’s edited the page.

Have you ever referred to the list of references at the bottom of any Wiki page observer? Obviously not, especially when they present a more realistic view of the world.

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Date: 31/07/2014 16:05:58
From: The_observer
ID: 569169
Subject: re: New York Governor's Bold Medical Marijuana Move

Divine Angel said:


Agreed, but it’s a good place to start and sometimes has good references in which to further your research independently.

Just on this part -\

“It takes over one hour for Marinol to reach full systemic effect, compared to seconds or minutes for smoked or vaporized cannabis.”

I understand that patients undergoing chemotherapy can get violently ill straight afterwards, & a smoke helps this greatly.
I wonder if they could take Marinol for example, before the treatment.

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Date: 31/07/2014 18:14:13
From: Neophyte
ID: 569243
Subject: re: New York Governor's Bold Medical Marijuana Move

sibeen said:

I find that a tad strange. If one of my daughters required marijuana to stay alive she’d be getting marijuana, and bugger the status of the State’s laws.

Oh come on…you can always train someone else to bring you your beer.

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Date: 31/07/2014 18:23:43
From: The_observer
ID: 569246
Subject: re: New York Governor's Bold Medical Marijuana Move

Neophyte said:


sibeen said:

I find that a tad strange. If one of my daughters required marijuana to stay alive she’d be getting marijuana,

I’m interested in that scenario – where anybody actually needs it to “stay a live”. Ah, ha, ha, ha,

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Date: 31/07/2014 18:25:05
From: The_observer
ID: 569247
Subject: re: New York Governor's Bold Medical Marijuana Move

The_observer said:

sibeen said:

I find that a tad strange. If one of my daughters required marijuana to stay alive she’d be getting marijuana,

I’m interested in that scenario – where anybody actually needs it to “stay a live”. Ah, ha, ha, ha,

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Date: 31/07/2014 19:04:49
From: nut
ID: 569275
Subject: re: New York Governor's Bold Medical Marijuana Move

I don’t always read the entire Orac posts but did find this one very interesting:

Medical marijuana and the new herbalism, part 1

“… My personal sensitivities aside (which are obviously not shared by most people), I see two critical unaddressed questions with respect to cannabis. The first issue is standardization. I’m sorry, herbalists and pot smokers, but smoking a dried plant just isn’t it, particularly given the relatively low doses of active compound needed for optimal effects. That means pharmaceutical-grade material. If cannabis is a therapeutic drug, it should be treated like every other therapeutic drug and be subject to clinical trials. The second issue is comparative effectiveness research. It’s not enough just to say cannabis (or whatever cannabinoid drug or derivative you might wish to use) is “efficacious” against this disease or this condition. We need to know how efficacious it is compared to the existing standard of care. In most cases, even for indications for which there is evidence of efficacy, the existing evidence base suggests that cannabis is less effective than existing treatments, with the possible exception of its use as an antiemetic. Yet none of this sways the zealots, just as similar evidence with respect to other herbs doesn’t sway believers in herbalism. Meanwhile, medical cannabis is rapidly becoming big business. …”

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2014/07/10/medical-marijuana-and-the-new-herbalism-part-1/

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Date: 31/07/2014 22:52:46
From: CrazyNeutrino
ID: 569437
Subject: re: New York Governor's Bold Medical Marijuana Move

nut said:


I don’t always read the entire Orac posts but did find this one very interesting:

Medical marijuana and the new herbalism, part 1

“… My personal sensitivities aside (which are obviously not shared by most people), I see two critical unaddressed questions with respect to cannabis. The first issue is standardization. I’m sorry, herbalists and pot smokers, but smoking a dried plant just isn’t it, particularly given the relatively low doses of active compound needed for optimal effects. That means pharmaceutical-grade material. If cannabis is a therapeutic drug, it should be treated like every other therapeutic drug and be subject to clinical trials. The second issue is comparative effectiveness research. It’s not enough just to say cannabis (or whatever cannabinoid drug or derivative you might wish to use) is “efficacious” against this disease or this condition. We need to know how efficacious it is compared to the existing standard of care. In most cases, even for indications for which there is evidence of efficacy, the existing evidence base suggests that cannabis is less effective than existing treatments, with the possible exception of its use as an antiemetic. Yet none of this sways the zealots, just as similar evidence with respect to other herbs doesn’t sway believers in herbalism. Meanwhile, medical cannabis is rapidly becoming big business. …”

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2014/07/10/medical-marijuana-and-the-new-herbalism-part-1/

I have no problem with most of that,

I keep saying these things

1 grow the cannabis like the opium poppies, under strict license conditions
2 have the the plants processed by the pharmaceutical industry
3 make it available by doctor prescription
4 but to only those people who need it

growing cannabis plants under strict conditions and buying a pharmaceutical product as a mouth spray or tablet is how you get consistency

the other issue that article touched on is research, yes there is a real problem with research, access to information and different countries and states that have different laws.

The American government spent millions researching the negative effects while not providing money for researching the positive effects, that creates an unbalanced approach which is not helpful, its difficult for scientists and researches, doctors/patients to study/use the plant when you have a situation which resembles a jumbled mess.

The information comes in a few drips at a time, a bit here, a bit there, contradicting evidence here, something else said there, It would be great to see a more organized approach for a complex plant that has around 400 compounds, and 60-70 cannabinoids.

Humans are made out of chemicals and everybody is different, medical conditions like cancer, epilepsy, multiple sclerosis, anxiety etc, require different levels of compounds and cannabinoids for treatment. Cannabis might be helpful to some people or less helpful to others, or it might be used together with other products.

It would be good to see a relaxation of cannabis laws to allow people to grow one plant, but at the same time offer pharmaceutical products which are far more consistent and cleaner

An emphasis should always lean towards the more consistent and healthier alternative where one does not have to smoke it.

I say that only to appease the smoking generation which by observation exists, but one would imagine that over time smoking should diminish with each generation by education and by time.

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Date: 1/08/2014 17:52:00
From: Speedy
ID: 569965
Subject: re: New York Governor's Bold Medical Marijuana Move

Petition to decriminalise the use of medical marijuana

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