Date: 12/08/2014 07:21:07
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 574992
Subject: China working on thorium power plants for Shanghai

Beijing brings forward deadline for world’s first thorium-fuelled facility in attempt to break reliance on fossil fuels.

China is developing a new design of nuclear power plant in an attempt to reduce its reliance on coal and to cut air pollution.

In an effort to reduce the number of coal-fired plants, the Chinese government has brought forward by 15 years the deadline to develop a nuclear power plant using the radioactive element thorium instead of uranium.

A team of researchers in Shanghai has now been told it has 10 instead of 25 years to develop the world’s first such plant.

“In the past, the government was interested in nuclear power because of the energy shortage. Now, they are more interested because of smog,” Professor Li Zhong, a scientist working on the project, told the Hong Kong-based South China Morning Post.

An advanced research centre was set up in January by the Chinese Academy of Sciences with the aim of developing an industrial reactor using thorium molten salt technology, the newspaper reported.

According to the World Nuclear Association (WNA), China has 20 nuclear plants in operation and another 28 under construction, all uranium-fuelled reactors. China has been importing large quantities of uranium as it attempts to reduce its reliance on fossil fuels. However, according to the WNA, thorium is much more abundant.

The researchers on the project said they had come under considerable pressure from the government for it to be successful. Li said nuclear power was the “only solution” to replace coal, and thorium “carries much hope”.

“The problem of coal has become clear,” he said: “if the average energy consumption per person doubles, this country will be choked to death by polluted air.”

“China has an ambitious nuclear-generation programme. It plans to have almost 60 gigawatts of nuclear energy by 2020 and up to 150gw by 2030, so the Chinese have plans to get a significant amount of nuclear into the energy mix,” said Jonathan Cobb of the WNA.

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Superbly excellent news!
At least one government in the world is doing the right thing.

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Date: 12/08/2014 07:22:31
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 574993
Subject: re: China working on thorium power plants for Shanghai

Erm, make that title read researchers in Shanghai please ….

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Date: 12/08/2014 07:47:28
From: Skeptic Pete
ID: 574995
Subject: re: China working on thorium power plants for Shanghai

China leading the way, who would have thought it.

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Date: 12/08/2014 09:07:07
From: diddly-squat
ID: 575005
Subject: re: China working on thorium power plants for Shanghai

Skeptic Pete said:


China leading the way, who would have thought it.

China have been at the forefront of alternative energy production for very long time now…

It’s the pollution in places like Beijing that put a very real ‘face’ to the issues associated with the use of fossil fuels for energy production.

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Date: 12/08/2014 10:03:06
From: Cymek
ID: 575030
Subject: re: China working on thorium power plants for Shanghai

China could be in the fortunate position of being a modern superpower with all the associated knowledge and technology to not repeat the mistakes of former superpowers like the USSR and USA

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Date: 12/08/2014 10:05:34
From: Phil_C
ID: 575032
Subject: re: China working on thorium power plants for Shanghai

Cymek said:


China could be in the fortunate position of being a modern superpower with all the associated knowledge and technology to not repeat the mistakes of former superpowers like the USSR and USA

When it comes to the environment China is unfortunately making all the same mistakes again.

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Date: 12/08/2014 12:31:02
From: The_observer
ID: 575219
Subject: re: China working on thorium power plants for Shanghai

I hope their success comes sooner than later. Thorium is the way forward

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Date: 13/08/2014 08:48:40
From: Aquila
ID: 575508
Subject: re: China working on thorium power plants for Shanghai

Spiny Norman said:

A team of researchers in Shanghai has now been told it has 10 instead of 25 years to develop the world’s first such plant.

Nothing like a little pressure to drive ahead innovation/technology!

Lets hope they don’t ‘cut corners’ for the sake of deadlines

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Date: 13/08/2014 23:02:01
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 575978
Subject: re: China working on thorium power plants for Shanghai

Which type of thorium reactor? A standard breeder reactor with the Th232 to U233 replacing U238 to Pu239 would be my favourite. But there are some totally weird and inappropriate Thorium reactor designs out there.

Also keep in mind that everything that can be done with Thorium can also be done with depleted Uranium, and visa versa. The differences between the two in terms of power generation and proliferation are minor.

I take it you’re aware that Australia has huge resources of thorium ore, but those resources are rapidly being squandered by throwing away the thorium with the waste products because there is no current market for thorium.

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Date: 14/08/2014 07:52:25
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 576066
Subject: re: China working on thorium power plants for Shanghai

mollwollfumble said:


Which type of thorium reactor? A standard breeder reactor with the Th232 to U233 replacing U238 to Pu239 would be my favourite. But there are some totally weird and inappropriate Thorium reactor designs out there.

Also keep in mind that everything that can be done with Thorium can also be done with depleted Uranium, and visa versa. The differences between the two in terms of power generation and proliferation are minor.

I take it you’re aware that Australia has huge resources of thorium ore, but those resources are rapidly being squandered by throwing away the thorium with the waste products because there is no current market for thorium.

They’re extremely likely to be the molten salt type as they are the most simple and reliable design.
One of the biggest and most critical differences between thorium and uranium is dealing with the waste – Uranium is hazardous for hundreds of thousands of years, thorium is around three hundred years. Still a long time compared to a human lifetime but far more manageable.
Yes we have quite a lot of it, it’s used all around the world for TIG welding electrodes. The ones used to weld steel have a 2% thorium mix with the tungsten. Not a huge market, but it’s there.

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Date: 14/08/2014 20:04:45
From: wookiemeister
ID: 576607
Subject: re: China working on thorium power plants for Shanghai

maybe they could ask these guys about building that thorium plant?

http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2014-08-07/news/52556083_1_thorium-rich-kalapakkam-generation

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