Date: 12/08/2014 11:06:35
From: transition
ID: 575068
Subject: short antiobiotic courses

What’s the go with doctors prescribing very short antiobiotic courses, and on balance what contribution is this having to bacterial resistance.

If an infection doesn’t respond in the period, say like sinus infections can be hard to shift, there’s a period which a patient takes to return for another script, so in that period there’s greater opportunity for mutation and resistance.

Just an example.

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Date: 12/08/2014 11:08:12
From: Cymek
ID: 575071
Subject: re: short antiobiotic courses

TAFE might offer them a Certificate III in Antibiotics perhaps

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Date: 12/08/2014 11:09:42
From: diddly-squat
ID: 575072
Subject: re: short antiobiotic courses

transition said:


What’s the go with doctors prescribing very short antiobiotic courses, and on balance what contribution is this having to bacterial resistance.

If an infection doesn’t respond in the period, say like sinus infections can be hard to shift, there’s a period which a patient takes to return for another script, so in that period there’s greater opportunity for mutation and resistance.

Just an example.

IME, most doctors will write a repeat for the prescription with the instruction being that if symptoms of the infection continue past the first course that the repeat be filled so as to extend the treatment.

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Date: 12/08/2014 11:16:51
From: transition
ID: 575086
Subject: re: short antiobiotic courses

….. a problem there spelling antibiotic….
….was up til 3:00am

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Date: 12/08/2014 11:21:23
From: poikilotherm
ID: 575097
Subject: re: short antiobiotic courses

transition said:


What’s the go with doctors prescribing very short antiobiotic courses, and on balance what contribution is this having to bacterial resistance.

If an infection doesn’t respond in the period, say like sinus infections can be hard to shift, there’s a period which a patient takes to return for another script, so in that period there’s greater opportunity for mutation and resistance.

Just an example.

What exactly do you mean by a ‘short course’?

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Date: 12/08/2014 11:22:23
From: Arts
ID: 575100
Subject: re: short antiobiotic courses

poikilotherm said:


transition said:

What’s the go with doctors prescribing very short antiobiotic courses, and on balance what contribution is this having to bacterial resistance.

If an infection doesn’t respond in the period, say like sinus infections can be hard to shift, there’s a period which a patient takes to return for another script, so in that period there’s greater opportunity for mutation and resistance.

Just an example.

What exactly do you mean by a ‘short course’?

like a bridging course… but not as much HECS to pay

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Date: 12/08/2014 11:25:18
From: diddly-squat
ID: 575105
Subject: re: short antiobiotic courses

Arts said:


poikilotherm said:

transition said:

What’s the go with doctors prescribing very short antiobiotic courses, and on balance what contribution is this having to bacterial resistance.

If an infection doesn’t respond in the period, say like sinus infections can be hard to shift, there’s a period which a patient takes to return for another script, so in that period there’s greater opportunity for mutation and resistance.

Just an example.

What exactly do you mean by a ‘short course’?

like a bridging course… but not as much HECS to pay

it’s HELP these days…

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Date: 12/08/2014 11:29:55
From: Arts
ID: 575113
Subject: re: short antiobiotic courses

diddly-squat said:


Arts said:

poikilotherm said:

What exactly do you mean by a ‘short course’?

like a bridging course… but not as much HECS to pay

it’s HELP these days…

appropriate

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Date: 12/08/2014 11:31:20
From: diddly-squat
ID: 575115
Subject: re: short antiobiotic courses

Arts said:


diddly-squat said:

Arts said:

like a bridging course… but not as much HECS to pay

it’s HELP these days…

appropriate

it’s all about the ‘Loan’ now, as opposed to the ‘Contribution’…

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Date: 12/08/2014 11:31:25
From: transition
ID: 575116
Subject: re: short antiobiotic courses

>What exactly do you mean by a ‘short course’?

Like six days, mate

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Course_(medicine)

In medicine the term course generally takes one of two meanings, both reflecting the sense of “path that something or someone moves along…process or sequence or steps”: – A course of medication is a period of continual treatment with drugs, sometimes with variable dosage and in particular combinations. For instance treatment with some drugs should not end abruptly. Instead, their course should end with a tapering dosage. – Antibiotics: Taking the full course of antibiotics is important to prevent reinfection and/or development of drug-resistant bacteria.

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Date: 12/08/2014 11:34:14
From: poikilotherm
ID: 575122
Subject: re: short antiobiotic courses

transition said:


>What exactly do you mean by a ‘short course’?

Like six days, mate

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Course_(medicine)

In medicine the term course generally takes one of two meanings, both reflecting the sense of “path that something or someone moves along…process or sequence or steps”: – A course of medication is a period of continual treatment with drugs, sometimes with variable dosage and in particular combinations. For instance treatment with some drugs should not end abruptly. Instead, their course should end with a tapering dosage. – Antibiotics: Taking the full course of antibiotics is important to prevent reinfection and/or development of drug-resistant bacteria.

Ok, so anything you decide is short…

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Date: 12/08/2014 11:38:35
From: transition
ID: 575128
Subject: re: short antiobiotic courses

>Ok, so anything you decide is short…

Not exactly, ask a doctor about sinus infections.

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Date: 12/08/2014 11:40:56
From: poikilotherm
ID: 575136
Subject: re: short antiobiotic courses

transition said:


>Ok, so anything you decide is short…

Not exactly, ask a doctor about sinus infections.

Why?

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Date: 12/08/2014 11:49:10
From: poikilotherm
ID: 575164
Subject: re: short antiobiotic courses

FYI.

There are two reasons GPs give antibiotics;

1. You have a bacterial infection that needs treatment
Or
2. To get you the bunnings out of the consult room in under 10 minutes.

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Date: 12/08/2014 11:53:14
From: morrie
ID: 575171
Subject: re: short antiobiotic courses

I seem to recall having a single dose antibiotic many years ago. I remember it because it was New Years Eve and the doctor had not mentioned that it should not be taken with alcohol. The pharmacy printout (a good feature in pharmacies in Brisbane then ) clearly told me to avoid alcohol.

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Date: 12/08/2014 17:07:06
From: Speedy
ID: 575357
Subject: re: short antiobiotic courses

poikilotherm said:


FYI.

There are two reasons GPs give antibiotics;

1. You have a bacterial infection that needs treatment
Or
2. To get you the bunnings out of the consult room in under 10 minutes.

Or
3. They have no idea what they’re doing so prescribe ABs anyway.

Little Speedy had had a cough and fever for a while, so doc prescribed ABs. After 5 days when the course was finished, there was no improvement (in fact, he was much worse), so before starting the repeat, we returned to GP for assessment. She said it was most likely pneumonia and to continue the ABs as well as another type of AB and to get LS to a hospital for Xrays ASAP (it was this past Sunday). Hospital doc told us that it was a virus and to stop taking the ABs! Did not bother doing an Xray. Stopped taking the ABs and saw improvement the next day.

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Date: 12/08/2014 17:11:20
From: poikilotherm
ID: 575358
Subject: re: short antiobiotic courses

Speedy said:


poikilotherm said:

FYI.

There are two reasons GPs give antibiotics;

1. You have a bacterial infection that needs treatment
Or
2. To get you the bunnings out of the consult room in under 10 minutes.

Or
3. They have no idea what they’re doing so prescribe ABs anyway.

Little Speedy had had a cough and fever for a while, so doc prescribed ABs. After 5 days when the course was finished, there was no improvement (in fact, he was much worse), so before starting the repeat, we returned to GP for assessment. She said it was most likely pneumonia and to continue the ABs as well as another type of AB and to get LS to a hospital for Xrays ASAP (it was this past Sunday). Hospital doc told us that it was a virus and to stop taking the ABs! Did not bother doing an Xray. Stopped taking the ABs and saw improvement the next day.

Would you have been happier to have been given nothing at the start and told to wait?

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Date: 12/08/2014 19:01:46
From: Speedy
ID: 575384
Subject: re: short antiobiotic courses

poikilotherm said:


Speedy said:

poikilotherm said:

FYI.

There are two reasons GPs give antibiotics;

1. You have a bacterial infection that needs treatment
Or
2. To get you the bunnings out of the consult room in under 10 minutes.

Or
3. They have no idea what they’re doing so prescribe ABs anyway.

Little Speedy had had a cough and fever for a while, so doc prescribed ABs. After 5 days when the course was finished, there was no improvement (in fact, he was much worse), so before starting the repeat, we returned to GP for assessment. She said it was most likely pneumonia and to continue the ABs as well as another type of AB and to get LS to a hospital for Xrays ASAP (it was this past Sunday). Hospital doc told us that it was a virus and to stop taking the ABs! Did not bother doing an Xray. Stopped taking the ABs and saw improvement the next day.

Would you have been happier to have been given nothing at the start and told to wait?

Yes. On many occasions our usual GP has told me/us that ABs won’t work.

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