Date: 27/08/2014 12:29:50
From: CrazyNeutrino
ID: 583774
Subject: NBN cost-benefit analysis released

National Broadband Network (NBN) cost-benefit analysis released

Their trying to trick all the sheep again by pulling the wool over their eyes

BUT does not work with me

how can a half finished network be better off for everyone

its only better off for the people who get paid to finish it!

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Date: 27/08/2014 12:32:03
From: roughbarked
ID: 583776
Subject: re: NBN cost-benefit analysis released

CrazyNeutrino said:


National Broadband Network (NBN) cost-benefit analysis released

Their trying to trick all the sheep again by pulling the wool over their eyes

BUT does not work with me

how can a half finished network be better off for everyone

its only better off for the people who get paid to finish it!


I am not sure how wasting money and resources otherwise touted as money benefits anyone other than a handful in the short term of their meagre existence.

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Date: 27/08/2014 13:19:12
From: diddly-squat
ID: 583780
Subject: re: NBN cost-benefit analysis released

CrazyNeutrino said:


National Broadband Network (NBN) cost-benefit analysis released

Their trying to trick all the sheep again by pulling the wool over their eyes

BUT does not work with me

how can a half finished network be better off for everyone

its only better off for the people who get paid to finish it!

My suggestion is you read the document – I’ve started, but it’s long – and use it to form an opinion on how the assumptions they used in the analysis may have affected the outcomes.

My (very) preliminary analysis seems to suggest:

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Date: 27/08/2014 14:17:05
From: transition
ID: 583806
Subject: re: NBN cost-benefit analysis released

I think trusty ol’ wireless evolved some since fibre started being rolled out, which was a while back now, I still remember the fibre up Alice way from down south here was laid and still unterminated in 1993 think it was when did a trip back up there, so it’s a while back.

And we had even then and stretching way back very trusty high-UHF and microwave terrestrial links courtesy Telstra all over the country (still in service many of them I guess), so wireless has served this country well.

“Optical fibre” might have gone a bit over-vogue.

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Date: 27/08/2014 14:31:58
From: morrie
ID: 583815
Subject: re: NBN cost-benefit analysis released

diddly-squat said:


My suggestion is you read the document – I’ve started, but it’s long – and use it to form an opinion on how the assumptions they used in the analysis may have affected the outcomes.


Pfft.
Trouble maker.

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Date: 27/08/2014 14:39:45
From: party_pants
ID: 583818
Subject: re: NBN cost-benefit analysis released

Details are a bit sketchy so far, haven’t had time to read the actual report itself.

But it seems to read straight out of the free-market evangelists playbook. Their preferred model is to let private investment build the network, but only in selected areas where private investment would get a return on investment (eg capital cities).

Their modelling is over the period 2015 to 2040. Seems to be assuming that either the FTTN plan will not become obsolete within this period, or if it does that private investment will finance the upgrades required to something better. This flies in the face of recent experience, where private investment has refused to build an upgrade even to FTTN levels of service. It’s the whole point behind the ALP planning to fund the whole lot publicly, that private investment would never see the thing built. Unless there has been some drastic change there, then the assumption doesn’t hold. Eventually we’ll end up with an obsolete network and we’ll have to turn to public funds to upgrade it.

The report also seems to be suggesting that Turnbull is wasting public funds by providing any publicly subsidised service upgrades to the bush.

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Date: 27/08/2014 16:34:56
From: wookiemeister
ID: 583861
Subject: re: NBN cost-benefit analysis released

its a waste of public funds the way its going in

stuff is being installed in laundry cupboards

fibre is being cut with kitchen scissors

the whole thing hangs off fragile gyrock walls whilst holding a large and heavy lead acid battery

they need their brains testing

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Date: 27/08/2014 16:36:51
From: Cymek
ID: 583864
Subject: re: NBN cost-benefit analysis released

wookiemeister said:


its a waste of public funds the way its going in

stuff is being installed in laundry cupboards

fibre is being cut with kitchen scissors

the whole thing hangs off fragile gyrock walls whilst holding a large and heavy lead acid battery

they need their brains testing

Close enough for government work hey!

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Date: 27/08/2014 16:40:08
From: sibeen
ID: 583865
Subject: re: NBN cost-benefit analysis released

wookiemeister said:

the whole thing hangs off fragile gyrock walls whilst holding a large and heavy lead acid battery

It weighs approximately 2.7 kg.

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Date: 27/08/2014 16:42:56
From: JudgeMental
ID: 583867
Subject: re: NBN cost-benefit analysis released

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