I’ve heard a few different interpretations, but would Scottish independence have any effect on the legal definition of the United Kingdom and as extension the validity of the Australian Constitution or the Australian HoS?

I suspect good martin or dv would be all over this…

diddly-squat said:

I’ve heard a few different interpretations, but would Scottish independence have any effect on the legal definition of the United Kingdom and as extension the validity of the Australian Constitution or the Australian HoS?

I suspect good martin or dv would be all over this…

I’m not sure on this definition of martin being “good”..

I think we need a tighter definition of what “good” is.

Surely they can liquid paper out any reference to “Scotland” out of “Not So United Kingdom”

Dropbear said:

diddly-squat said:

I’ve heard a few different interpretations, but would Scottish independence have any effect on the legal definition of the United Kingdom and as extension the validity of the Australian Constitution or the Australian HoS?

I suspect good martin or dv would be all over this…

I’m not sure on this definition of martin being “good”..

I think we need a tighter definition of what “good” is.

Surely they can liquid paper out any reference to “Scotland” out of “Not So United Kingdom”

well yes… you would think a quick change of the United Kingdom of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland to omit the ‘Scotland’ bit would be a pretty quick fix; but them I’m not a constitutional lawyer

they’ll just untick the Scotland box on the website

the scots will lose one master and take on a new one – the European economic community, aka the EU or whatever its been rebranded

I wish them luck in their new role in the world

Scotland already has its own banknotes

perhaps this would be an opportunity for Australia to spruik its plastic banknotes to them?

In reference to your question this article goes into it:

“If the Scottish independence vote is successful the political and legal ramifications could flow to Australia, leaving it without a head of state, a constitutional expert has warned”

Though, I think that they are over-complicating it. Why couldn’t it just be business as usual?

I have seen a number of news articles that make reference to things like this:

“Any vote for Scotland to leave the UK would be a landmark event raising a string of questions about Britain’s standing in the international community”

Once again, I can’t see why it wouldn’t be business as usual.

Also, does Scotland, as it is now, have any treaties with anyone? Who is going to stop some aggressive European neighbour from walking in straight after the Brits hand over the keys to the Scots?

Does Scotland have the economy to sustain itself?

wookiemeister said:

the scots will lose one master and take on a new one – the European economic community, aka the EU or whatever its been rebranded

I wish them luck in their new role in the world

Scotland already has its own banknotes

perhaps this would be an opportunity for Australia to spruik its plastic banknotes to them?

With some luck perhaps Europe will reach this stage at some point in the future, but they are nowhere near as yet.

I think Scotland should remain as part of the United States of Britain, and concentrate on expanding the role of their state government, until such time as the EU is ready to take on the federal role.

Is the Queen really worried or upset over Independence?

Divine Angel said:

Is the Queen really worried or upset over Independence?

Presumably she’d rather not lose her holiday cottage at Balmoral.

I suppose she could buy it.

Does she have an EU passport?

Scotland was a sovereign state before british rule so what’s really so terrible backing out of a union created by invasion?

if Scottish notes aren’t worth the paper they are printed on the british will just take its place

as for borders? I don’t see any value for money maintaining fences and border posts , it will do far too much damage trying to check passports . if Britain wanted to be a little vicious it would just cut the roads to Scotland and tell them to get on with it

the british government could just BUY some small islands up north and have their sub bases there instead of Scotland.

Hmm. I hadn’t even thought about ownership of Balmoral.

well you could have a few break away republics that were pro british

clashes could break out and a few airliners would go missing

Britain would put its tanks on the border and tell people they weren’t doing anything apart from sight seeing and buying souvenirs.

wookiemeister said:

Scotland was a sovereign state before british rule so what’s really so terrible backing out of a union created by invasion?

It was actually created when the Scottish king took over England.

But that’s history; for now I didn’t say it would be terrible, but it doesn’t make any sense.

maybe what you’d have is a break up of Scotland into various clans with their allegiance to the Scottish crown or the british crown

military campaigns could be launched from places like York

hadrians wall would be bolstered against the scots

Scotland used to be ruled by clans, maybe the model of a untied Scotland won’t work

bring back Macbeth I say

The Rev Dodgson said:

wookiemeister said:

Scotland was a sovereign state before british rule so what’s really so terrible backing out of a union created by invasion?

It was actually created when the Scottish king took over England.

But that’s history; for now I didn’t say it would be terrible, but it doesn’t make any sense.

is that james?

wookiemeister said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

wookiemeister said:

Scotland was a sovereign state before british rule so what’s really so terrible backing out of a union created by invasion?

It was actually created when the Scottish king took over England.

But that’s history; for now I didn’t say it would be terrible, but it doesn’t make any sense.

is that james?

Yes, James VI

wookiemeister said:

Scotland used to be ruled by clans, maybe the model of a untied Scotland won’t work

bring back Macbeth I say

Did you know that no where in Macbeth is Macbeth mentioned which lead to the superstition it was unlucky to say Macbeth and why actors call it the Scottish play.

AwesomeO said:

wookiemeister said:

Scotland used to be ruled by clans, maybe the model of a untied Scotland won’t work

bring back Macbeth I say

Did you know that no where in Macbeth is Macbeth mentioned which lead to the superstition it was unlucky to say Macbeth and why actors call it the Scottish play.

did you know that in Macbeths time it was the rule that monarchs were voted in to be king by their peers – kindly old king Duncan decided he was going to make his son king going against the status quo?

Macbeth was quite within his rights to stop Duncan from trying to pervert the existing laws

• Did you know that no where in Macbeth is Macbeth mentioned

I am not sure that is true…

furious said:

• Did you know that no where in Macbeth is Macbeth mentioned

I am not sure that is true…

What a coincidence! Macbeth is not mentioned in Hamlet either!!

bob(from black rock) said:

furious said:

• Did you know that no where in Macbeth is Macbeth mentioned

I am not sure that is true…

What a coincidence! Macbeth is not mentioned in Hamlet either!!

Nor is Macbeth mentioned in any other play by Shakespeare “woo woo spooky WTF is going on here!!!!

First Witch. Where the place?
Second Witch. Upon the heath.
Third Witch. There to meet with Macbeth.

act 1 scene 1

furious said:

• Did you know that no where in Macbeth is Macbeth mentioned

I am not sure that is true…

Yes only about 10 times in the first act alone.

• Third Witch. There to meet with Macbeth

My recollection actually came from a parody:

All hail McVyvyan! Thane of the outside toilet and that little gravelly patch next to the garden shed.

furious said:

• Third Witch. There to meet with Macbeth

My recollection actually came from a parody:

All hail McVyvyan! Thane of the outside toilet and that little gravelly patch next to the garden shed.

Yes its amusing when a parody or outright pisstake replaces the original and that’s all you remember.
Like the Southpark wording of the theme to Game Of Thrones, Floppy Weiner

So the general consensus is that “yes, an independent Scotland could very well create a constitutional problem for Australia”??

diddly-squat said:

So the general consensus is that “yes, an independent Scotland could very well create a constitutional problem for Australia”??

how exacklery?

diddly-squat said:

So the general consensus is that “yes, an independent Scotland could very well create a constitutional problem for Australia”??

How so?

It’s not even mentioned in Macbeth.

The latest poll shows the yes ( for independence ) vote is in the majority for the first time.

I find it all a bit perplexing in the 21st century. My grandparents came form 4 different countries ( including Scotland and England) so this “ us and them attitude “ within the UK all seems a bit petty.

They will need a Scottish Embasy here …

pommiejohn said:

The latest poll shows the yes ( for independence ) vote is in the majority for the first time.

I find it all a bit perplexing in the 21st century. My grandparents came form 4 different countries ( including Scotland and England) so this “ us and them attitude “ within the UK all seems a bit petty.

I think as an experiment it will all be very interesting

lets see how far they can take this thing

I’m not sure how Scotland will support its population

will Britain take refugees from Scotland that can’t find work for example?

I think it was only one poll that showed the Yes campaign only very slightly in front. The first of any poll to do so for many months. The other polling companies still had the No campaign slightly in front. It might be just an outlier poll.

wookiemeister said:

pommiejohn said:

The latest poll shows the yes ( for independence ) vote is in the majority for the first time.

I find it all a bit perplexing in the 21st century. My grandparents came form 4 different countries ( including Scotland and England) so this “ us and them attitude “ within the UK all seems a bit petty.

I think as an experiment it will all be very interesting

lets see how far they can take this thing

I’m not sure how Scotland will support its population

will Britain take refugees from Scotland that can’t find work for example?

I was under the impression that Scotland is trading better than some of the other countries that are within the UK

ratty one said:

I was under the impression that Scotland is trading better than some of the other countries that are within the UK

It depends where you look.

I’ve been looking for unbiased info. It’s very hard to find.

ratty one said:

wookiemeister said:

pommiejohn said:

The latest poll shows the yes ( for independence ) vote is in the majority for the first time.

I find it all a bit perplexing in the 21st century. My grandparents came form 4 different countries ( including Scotland and England) so this “ us and them attitude “ within the UK all seems a bit petty.

I think as an experiment it will all be very interesting

lets see how far they can take this thing

I’m not sure how Scotland will support its population

will Britain take refugees from Scotland that can’t find work for example?

I was under the impression that Scotland is trading better than some of the other countries that are within the UK

all power to them

I think the first law to be enacted should be that all men have to wear the kilt – that should force all the slackers south of the border.

Britain will resist and set up refugee camps on the border

You can’t trust the Scots. Once they get independence again they’ll be off on another attempt at colonialism. New Darien – here we come!

I have to laugh when I hear Scottish complaints that London doesn’t represent them properly. The previous two Prime Ministers were Scottish.

party_pants said:

You can’t trust the Scots. Once they get independence again they’ll be off on another attempt at colonialism. New Darien – here we come!

Maybe they’ll team up with some French plonker and try to invade England again, then complain for the next 400 years about how they got thrashed .

maybe breaking up the union will be a good thing, nothing is for granted.

I’m not sure if wales will go down that path though

cornwall might declare independence

the western side of England could declare independence

I suppose ideally London could be declared its own state

pommiejohn said:

party_pants said:

You can’t trust the Scots. Once they get independence again they’ll be off on another attempt at colonialism. New Darien – here we come!

Maybe they’ll team up with some French plonker and try to invade England again, then complain for the next 400 years about how they got thrashed .

Or some upstart Italian.

there’s no end to their madness.

party_pants said:

pommiejohn said:

party_pants said:

You can’t trust the Scots. Once they get independence again they’ll be off on another attempt at colonialism. New Darien – here we come!

Maybe they’ll team up with some French plonker and try to invade England again, then complain for the next 400 years about how they got thrashed .

Or some upstart Italian.

there’s no end to their madness.

Why not, the Poms grabbed some Dutchman and made him king.

sibeen said:

party_pants said:

pommiejohn said:

Maybe they’ll team up with some French plonker and try to invade England again, then complain for the next 400 years about how they got thrashed .

Or some upstart Italian.

there’s no end to their madness.

Why not, the Poms grabbed some Dutchman and made him king.

Watch out for that PUP chick from Tasmania.

pommiejohn said:

ratty one said:

I was under the impression that Scotland is trading better than some of the other countries that are within the UK

It depends where you look.

I’ve been looking for unbiased info. It’s very hard to find.

A lot of the North Sea oil and gas revenue ‘belongs’ to Scotland. I think that is one of the premises underpinning economic independence.

pommiejohn said:

I have to laugh when I hear Scottish complaints that London doesn’t represent them properly. The previous two Prime Ministers were Scottish.

apparently Scotland only has 2% proportional representation under the current government.

bump for dv

The predominant question is who cares

They’re cross

Dropbear said:

The predominant question is who cares

Mmmm, I find it interesting. I’m interested in things, generally. It will certainly be interesting if the Yes vote goes. I think it will probably end up with a No vote, something like 53-47 or 54-46, which is close enough that someone else will want to have another bash in 20 years or so.

dv said:

They’re cross

:)

• I think it will probably end up with a No vote, something like 53-47 or 54-46, which is close enough that someone else will want to have another bash in 20 years or so.

How is that a referendum on such a big issue can pass, or not, on just over 50% of the vote? You’d think that they’d want to make sure that they have more on board than that. Splitting populations down the middle on these kind of issues has been known to cause unrest. Though I don’t know what that number should be, two thirds, three quarters…

Mum, being interested in things scottish(presently), god knows fucken why, I mean yeah she’s a pom came out here when 15YO, anyway came up with some joke about getting out scot free….

looking up ….. re origin that phrase

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20060627063538AAITp1I

“
To escape pursuers or avoid payment.

Origin

Dred Scott was a black slave born in Virginia, USA in 1799. In several celebrated court cases, right up to the USA Supreme Court in 1857, he attempted to gain his freedom. These cases all failed but Scott was later made a free man by his ‘owners’, the Blow family.

So, we don’t need to look very far for the origin of scott free. Many people, especially in the USA, are convinced that the phrase originated with the story of Dred Scott.

The etymology of this phrase shows danger of trying to prove a case on circumstantial evidence alone. In fact the phrase scot free has nothing to do with Dred Scott.

Given the reputation of Scotsmen to be careful with their money we might look to Scotland for the origin of scot free. Wrong again, but at least we are in the right part of the world now. A scot is a Scandinavian word for tax or payment. It came to the UK as a form of redistributive taxation which was levied as early the 13th century as a form of municipal poor relief. The term is a contraction of ‘scot and lot’. Scot was the tax and lot, or allotment, was the share given to the poor.

Scot as a term for tax has been used since then to mean many different types of tax. Whatever the tax, the phrase ‘scot free’ just refers to not paying one’s taxes.

No one likes paying tax and people have been getting off scot free since at least 1568, from when this reference comes – V. Skinner, in a translation of Montanus’ Inquisition:

“… Escape scotte free.” “

http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-sco1.htm

“Scot free has no connection with Scotsmen, frugal or otherwise. It’s an accidental connection, just as it is in hopscotch.

Scot is from an Old Norse word that meant a payment or contribution and which is linked to the modern French écot, a share of communal expenses, as in payer son écot, to pay one’s share. It is a close relative of shot, which at one time could have the same meaning of a contribution or a share of expenses.

The expression scot free derives from a medieval municipal tax levied in proportional shares on inhabitants, often for poor relief. This tax was called a scot, as an abbreviation of the full term scot and lot, where scot was the sum to be paid and lot was one’s allotted share. (This tax lasted a long time, in some places such as Westminster down to the electoral reforms of 1832, with only those paying scot and lot being allowed to vote.) So somebody who avoided paying his share of the town’s expenses for some reason got off scot free.

Scot was also used for a payment or reckoning, especially one’s share of the cost of an entertainment; when one settled up, one “paid for one’s scot”. Again, someone who evaded paying their share of the tab got off scot free.”