I’m sure there’s been discussion here at some point about NDEs, and I remember plenty of it back at the mother forum.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/201408/seeing-the-light

I’m currently reading through this article, almost at the end .. jeez it’s long… but an interesting read.

The article says about trying to find proof of an afterlife by scientifically testing whether people can recall things that happened after they had been classified as clinically dead – heart stopped and lack of oxygen to the brain. Apparently it’s now possible to revive someone hours after death by using new ‘freezing’ techniques, and during this period of time, people would have had enough time to experience some type of spiritual experience.

Basically I’m getting through the section where it’s suggesting that NDEs are an altered state of consciousness, sort of like a lucid dream is. But my thoughts are simply – why don’t they just put electrodes on the skull and look for any brain activity during the point when the person has been classified as ‘dead’?

JTQ said:

I’m sure there’s been discussion here at some point about NDEs, and I remember plenty of it back at the mother forum.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/201408/seeing-the-light

I’m currently reading through this article, almost at the end .. jeez it’s long… but an interesting read.

The article says about trying to find proof of an afterlife by scientifically testing whether people can recall things that happened after they had been classified as clinically dead – heart stopped and lack of oxygen to the brain. Apparently it’s now possible to revive someone hours after death by using new ‘freezing’ techniques, and during this period of time, people would have had enough time to experience some type of spiritual experience.

Basically I’m getting through the section where it’s suggesting that NDEs are an altered state of consciousness, sort of like a lucid dream is. But my thoughts are simply – why don’t they just put electrodes on the skull and look for any brain activity during the point when the person has been classified as ‘dead’?

I am sure I read they’ve stimulated the brains of people and they experienced the near death tunnel of light experience.
Its sounds similar to the waking paralyse people experience and mistake it for alien abduction / evil spirits in the room. I’ve had it once or twice in my life and its quite unsettling.

JTQ said:

I’m sure there’s been discussion here at some point about NDEs, and I remember plenty of it back at the mother forum.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/201408/seeing-the-light

I’m currently reading through this article, almost at the end .. jeez it’s long… but an interesting read.

The article says about trying to find proof of an afterlife by scientifically testing whether people can recall things that happened after they had been classified as clinically dead – heart stopped and lack of oxygen to the brain. Apparently it’s now possible to revive someone hours after death by using new ‘freezing’ techniques, and during this period of time, people would have had enough time to experience some type of spiritual experience.

Basically I’m getting through the section where it’s suggesting that NDEs are an altered state of consciousness, sort of like a lucid dream is. But my thoughts are simply – why don’t they just put electrodes on the skull and look for any brain activity during the point when the person has been classified as ‘dead’?

Perhaps its literally a life/death situation and putting electrodes on the skull is unethical when all focus is on trying to save them. You could perhaps volunteer to be experimented on in this manner if you are dying

• why don’t they just put electrodes on the skull and look for any brain activity during the point when the person has been classified as ‘dead’?

maybe the memories of the event are somehow generated by the kick starting of the system and not from anything that might have happened during the “death”…

In an electrochemical body, electricity is still going to be present after someone has died

the electrical properties start to fall

therefore in an electrochemical body if there is any chemical or electrochemical stimulation due to certain conditions, a body can come back to life, and there are hundreds if not thousands of people who have done this

and they will remember dreams and sounds that might be part of the dream as part of the waking up stage

nice to think that might be some higher consciousness state but we haven’t seen any evidence of it

say someone did have a consciousness that left the body after death what would be the evidence of it?

someone talking through a radio if its on? someone that could communicate directly with somebody else’s brain?

I’m hearing voices? or somone’s voice or

Hi its me CrazyNeutrino my electrical energy has left my body and Im talking through the radio

the electrical energy would have to be near the proximity of the radio, and thus could be detected using electromagnetic sensors

going a bit further what are the electrical properties of the human body and what frequencies does the brain use?

all these people who have died and come back to life, it would be interesting to have put them in an electromagnetic device like a MRI and CT scanner or perhaps better a Magnetoencephalography device

Magnetoencephalography (MEG) is a functional neuroimaging technique for mapping brain activity by recording magnetic fields produced by electrical currents occurring naturally in the brain, using very sensitive magnetometers.

but its difficult to find someone who is about to die and come back and put them in a Magnetoencephalography scanner and look for activity after being clinically dead

Am I making any sense or am I just crazy

Its a very interesting topic and I’ll give it some more thought.

Magnetoencephalography

this image from the above link

Origin of the brain’s magnetic field. The electric current also produces the EEG signal.

electrical energy cannot leave the human body unless its in another container

think lightning, it goes straight to ground,

so if one was to leave the body you would go dissipate into the atmosphere and the energy would find its way to ground

electrical energy likes to be contained like electrical circuits or in living electrochemical bodies

I think one of the ways forward is to understand the electrical properties of the brain more, and understand its electrochemical association and its electromagnetic association and understand the brain more at the atomic level and quantum level

What fascinates me is what happens to the electrical energy when one is clinically dead

What do the electrical currents in the brain do?

Do the electrical currents diminish beyond our sensor range? do we need to develop sensors that are more sensitive?

Something must be going on at a deeper level, do the electrical currents go into some state we dont know of, or do the electrical currents/ electrical energy somehow are held in stasis in the electrochemical body in the chemical side of the brain?

Something could be going on at a quantum level in the brain and for that we will need to develop new sensors.

Magnetoencephalography scanners will need to become smaller so they can be fitted onto a hospital bed and be portable

Can you post a bigger picture? Bit hard to see that

Dropbear said:

Can you post a bigger picture? Bit hard to see that

didnt know it was going to be that big

but if you go here you can see it at the top of the page

Magnetoencephalography

the forum needs an html image autosizing attribute

if there is one?