Date: 29/09/2014 14:51:50
From: dv
ID: 601587
Subject: Polyphyly of Chromalveolata

Seems like every time I doze off for a few years, someone goes in and rearranges the chairs at the top end of the phylogenetics charts.

The Kingdom called Chromalveolata contains water molds, ciliata, coccolithophores, various weird junk. They were one of the major divisions of eukaryotes, kingdoms.

However, I now discover that for years now the view is increasingly that Chromalveolata is not a clade: it is polyphylic. No clade can contain all of the members of Chromalveolata and not include for instance the Rhizaria.

So from here they either expand Chromalveolata to some mega-ultra Chromalveolata that includes everything descended from the MRCA of all ye-olde-Chromalveolata, or just give Chromalveolata up as a bad joke.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2610160/figure/fig1/

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Date: 29/09/2014 15:34:03
From: dv
ID: 601596
Subject: re: Polyphyly of Chromalveolata

Some terminology I just learnt:

Primary endosymbiosis

Used to describe the initial capture of a cyanobacterium by a eukaryotic cell that gave rise to the algae (see also endosymbiosis).


Secondary endosymbiosis

An event in which a eukaryotic cell enslaves another eukaryotic cell that possesses a plastid derived from a primary endosymbiosis (see also endosymbiosis and primary endosymbiosis).


Tertiary endosymbiosis

An event in which a eukaryotic cell enslaves another eukaryotic cell that possesses a plastid derived from a secondary endosymbiosis (see secondary endosymbiosis). This has occurred several times in the dinoflagellates, and the captured plastid is thought to have replaced a pre-existing Secondary plastid (see also endosymbiosis).

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Date: 30/09/2014 21:10:10
From: MartinB
ID: 602243
Subject: re: Polyphyly of Chromalveolata

However, I now discover that for years now the view is increasingly that Chromalveolata is not a clade: it is polyphylic. No clade can contain all of the members of Chromalveolata and not include for instance the Rhizaria.

“polyphyletic”

HTH.

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Date: 1/10/2014 12:15:30
From: dv
ID: 602600
Subject: re: Polyphyly of Chromalveolata

Help, it does, and my gratitude is only exceeded by my admiration.

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Date: 4/10/2014 14:28:39
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 604216
Subject: re: Polyphyly of Chromalveolata

> Seems like every time I doze off for a few years, someone goes in and rearranges the chairs at the top end of the phylogenetics charts.

I’ve noticed that too. It’s a side effect of genetic sequencing of single-celled eukaryuotes. Nobody could tell how far apart these were by sight alone without genetics, they were too distantly related to be sure of how far apart they were on the evolutionary tree without a genetic comparison.

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Date: 5/10/2014 14:01:34
From: dv
ID: 604584
Subject: re: Polyphyly of Chromalveolata

mollwollfumble said:


> Seems like every time I doze off for a few years, someone goes in and rearranges the chairs at the top end of the phylogenetics charts.

I’ve noticed that too. It’s a side effect of genetic sequencing of single-celled eukaryuotes. Nobody could tell how far apart these were by sight alone without genetics, they were too distantly related to be sure of how far apart they were on the evolutionary tree without a genetic comparison.

Ah well, I suppose it is all progress.

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