Date: 8/10/2014 19:40:09
From: PermeateFree
ID: 606424
Subject: Southern Hemisphere ocean warming 'underestimated'

Ocean temperatures have been topical in recent times, making this is an interesting addition.

>>Previous estimates of global ocean warming have been significantly underestimated due to historically sparse temperature data from the Southern Ocean, new research has found.

The study, led by Australian oceanographer Dr Paul Durack from the US Department of Energy’s Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, was published online today in Nature Climate Change..<<

>>“By using precision satellite data, along with a large suite of climate model simulations, our results suggest that observed upper-ocean warming has been underestimated by 24 to 58 per cent,” says Durack.

“The conclusion that warming has been underestimated agrees with previous studies, however, it’s the first time that scientists have tried to quantify how much heat we’ve missed.”

He says this research is significant because the ocean stores more than 90 per cent of the excess heat associated with continuing global warming.<<

http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2014/10/06/4100264.htm

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Date: 9/10/2014 10:06:43
From: The_observer
ID: 606662
Subject: re: Southern Hemisphere ocean warming 'underestimated'

>>>>>“By using precision satellite data, along with a large suite of climate model simulations <<<<<
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exactly. All the measured data was well below the >>modeled estimates for Ocean Heat Content.

So what did they do ???

Adjusted the >>Measured Data<<< to co-operate with model outputs.


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http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com.au/2014/10/new-paper-is-brazen-unjustified-attempt.html
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As Dr. Roger Pielke Sr. quickly pointed out “When observations and models disagree, to accept the model is an inversion of the scientific process!” and “For model results to trump observations is absurd!”
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In their own words, the observations agree with each other, but not with the models.

“All but one of the four observational OHC trend estimates in Fig. 3b suggest a much smaller SH contribution, with stabilized ratios at timescales of 15 years and longer, well outside the intermodel standard deviation (0.500.63, MMM 0.56 versus 0.330.49 for observations).”
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http://joannenova.com.au/2014/10/missing-heat-not-in-deep-oceans-but-found-in-missing-data-in-upper-ocean/
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Date: 9/10/2014 14:42:12
From: PermeateFree
ID: 606755
Subject: re: Southern Hemisphere ocean warming 'underestimated'

Why don’t you just read the article and then try to make sensible comment.

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Date: 9/10/2014 19:08:56
From: The_observer
ID: 606932
Subject: re: Southern Hemisphere ocean warming 'underestimated'

PermeateFree said:


Why don’t you just read the article and then try to make sensible comment.

“They analysed satellite observations of sea surface height changes along with ocean temperature data collected between 1970 and 2004 and compared the results with climate models.

Sea surface height is an important indicator of global warming because as the ocean warms, sea levels rise, with additional increases due to the melting of land ice.”

Measurements by Jason-1 indicate that mean sea level has been rising at an average rate of 2.28 millimeters (.09 inches) per year since 2001

3 one hundredths of a degree C, statistically insignificant

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Argo data beginning 2005 for 0-700 and 0-2000 meters both show the global oceans warming at rates of only 0.03 deg C/decade.

From NASA Jet propulsion Laboratory, in an article about the papers -

Quote
In the 21st century, greenhouse gases have continued to accumulate in the atmosphere, just as they did in the 20th century, but global average surface air temperatures have stopped rising in tandem with the gases. The temperature of the top half of the world’s ocean — above the 1.24-mile mark (2000 meters)— is still climbing, but not fast enough to account for the stalled air temperatures.

and – The remainder (below 2000 meters) was essentially zero. Deep ocean contributed virtually nothing to sea level rise during this period.

On sea level rise –

Sea level is not rising
Professor Nils-Axel Mörner
Main points

At most, global average sea level is rising at a rate equivalent to 2-3 inches per century. It is probably not rising at all.
Sea level is measured both by tide gauges and, since 1992, by satellite altimetry. One of the keepers of the satellite record told Professor Mörner that the record had been interfered with to show sea level rising, because the raw data from the satellites showed no increase in global sea level at all.
The raw data from the TOPEX/POSEIDON sea-level satellites, which operated from 1993-2000, shows a slight uptrend in sea level. However, after exclusion of the distorting effects of the Great El Niño Southern Oscillation of 1997/1998, a naturally-occurring event, the sea-level trend is zero.
The GRACE gravitational-anomaly satellites are able to measure ocean mass, from which sea-level change can be directly calculated. The GRACE data show that sea level fell slightly from 2002-2007.
These two distinct satellite systems, using very different measurement methods, produced raw data reaching identical conclusions: sea level is barely rising, if at all.
Sea level is not rising at all in the Maldives, the Laccadives, Tuvalu, India, Bangladesh, French Guyana, Venice, Cuxhaven, Korsør, Saint Paul Island, Qatar, etc.
In the Maldives, a group of Australian environmental scientists uprooted a 50-year-old tree by the shoreline, aiming to conceal the fact that its location indicated that sea level had not been rising. This is a further indication of political tampering with scientific evidence about sea level.
Modelling is not a suitable method of determining global sea-level changes, since a proper evaluation depends upon detailed research in multiple locations with widely-differing characteristics. The true facts are to be found in nature itself.
Since sea level is not rising, the chief ground of concern at the potential effects of anthropogenic “global warming” – that millions of shore-dwellers the world over may be displaced as the oceans expand – is baseless.
We are facing a very grave, unethical “sea-level-gate”.

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Date: 9/10/2014 19:09:56
From: CrazyNeutrino
ID: 606934
Subject: re: Southern Hemisphere ocean warming 'underestimated'

The_observer said:


PermeateFree said:

Why don’t you just read the article and then try to make sensible comment.

“They analysed satellite observations of sea surface height changes along with ocean temperature data collected between 1970 and 2004 and compared the results with climate models.

Sea surface height is an important indicator of global warming because as the ocean warms, sea levels rise, with additional increases due to the melting of land ice.”

Measurements by Jason-1 indicate that mean sea level has been rising at an average rate of 2.28 millimeters (.09 inches) per year since 2001

3 one hundredths of a degree C, statistically insignificant

————————————————————-

Argo data beginning 2005 for 0-700 and 0-2000 meters both show the global oceans warming at rates of only 0.03 deg C/decade.

From NASA Jet propulsion Laboratory, in an article about the papers -

Quote
In the 21st century, greenhouse gases have continued to accumulate in the atmosphere, just as they did in the 20th century, but global average surface air temperatures have stopped rising in tandem with the gases. The temperature of the top half of the world’s ocean — above the 1.24-mile mark (2000 meters)— is still climbing, but not fast enough to account for the stalled air temperatures.

and – The remainder (below 2000 meters) was essentially zero. Deep ocean contributed virtually nothing to sea level rise during this period.

On sea level rise –

Sea level is not rising
Professor Nils-Axel Mörner
Main points

At most, global average sea level is rising at a rate equivalent to 2-3 inches per century. It is probably not rising at all.
Sea level is measured both by tide gauges and, since 1992, by satellite altimetry. One of the keepers of the satellite record told Professor Mörner that the record had been interfered with to show sea level rising, because the raw data from the satellites showed no increase in global sea level at all.
The raw data from the TOPEX/POSEIDON sea-level satellites, which operated from 1993-2000, shows a slight uptrend in sea level. However, after exclusion of the distorting effects of the Great El Niño Southern Oscillation of 1997/1998, a naturally-occurring event, the sea-level trend is zero.
The GRACE gravitational-anomaly satellites are able to measure ocean mass, from which sea-level change can be directly calculated. The GRACE data show that sea level fell slightly from 2002-2007.
These two distinct satellite systems, using very different measurement methods, produced raw data reaching identical conclusions: sea level is barely rising, if at all.
Sea level is not rising at all in the Maldives, the Laccadives, Tuvalu, India, Bangladesh, French Guyana, Venice, Cuxhaven, Korsør, Saint Paul Island, Qatar, etc.
In the Maldives, a group of Australian environmental scientists uprooted a 50-year-old tree by the shoreline, aiming to conceal the fact that its location indicated that sea level had not been rising. This is a further indication of political tampering with scientific evidence about sea level.
Modelling is not a suitable method of determining global sea-level changes, since a proper evaluation depends upon detailed research in multiple locations with widely-differing characteristics. The true facts are to be found in nature itself.
Since sea level is not rising, the chief ground of concern at the potential effects of anthropogenic “global warming” – that millions of shore-dwellers the world over may be displaced as the oceans expand – is baseless.
We are facing a very grave, unethical “sea-level-gate”.

Hi

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Date: 9/10/2014 19:15:36
From: CrazyNeutrino
ID: 606936
Subject: re: Southern Hemisphere ocean warming 'underestimated'

CrazyNeutrino said:


The_observer said:

PermeateFree said:

Why don’t you just read the article and then try to make sensible comment.

“They analysed satellite observations of sea surface height changes along with ocean temperature data collected between 1970 and 2004 and compared the results with climate models.

Sea surface height is an important indicator of global warming because as the ocean warms, sea levels rise, with additional increases due to the melting of land ice.”

Measurements by Jason-1 indicate that mean sea level has been rising at an average rate of 2.28 millimeters (.09 inches) per year since 2001

3 one hundredths of a degree C, statistically insignificant

————————————————————-

Argo data beginning 2005 for 0-700 and 0-2000 meters both show the global oceans warming at rates of only 0.03 deg C/decade.

From NASA Jet propulsion Laboratory, in an article about the papers -

Quote
In the 21st century, greenhouse gases have continued to accumulate in the atmosphere, just as they did in the 20th century, but global average surface air temperatures have stopped rising in tandem with the gases. The temperature of the top half of the world’s ocean — above the 1.24-mile mark (2000 meters)— is still climbing, but not fast enough to account for the stalled air temperatures.

and – The remainder (below 2000 meters) was essentially zero. Deep ocean contributed virtually nothing to sea level rise during this period.

On sea level rise –

Sea level is not rising
Professor Nils-Axel Mörner
Main points

At most, global average sea level is rising at a rate equivalent to 2-3 inches per century. It is probably not rising at all.
Sea level is measured both by tide gauges and, since 1992, by satellite altimetry. One of the keepers of the satellite record told Professor Mörner that the record had been interfered with to show sea level rising, because the raw data from the satellites showed no increase in global sea level at all.
The raw data from the TOPEX/POSEIDON sea-level satellites, which operated from 1993-2000, shows a slight uptrend in sea level. However, after exclusion of the distorting effects of the Great El Niño Southern Oscillation of 1997/1998, a naturally-occurring event, the sea-level trend is zero.
The GRACE gravitational-anomaly satellites are able to measure ocean mass, from which sea-level change can be directly calculated. The GRACE data show that sea level fell slightly from 2002-2007.
These two distinct satellite systems, using very different measurement methods, produced raw data reaching identical conclusions: sea level is barely rising, if at all.
Sea level is not rising at all in the Maldives, the Laccadives, Tuvalu, India, Bangladesh, French Guyana, Venice, Cuxhaven, Korsør, Saint Paul Island, Qatar, etc.
In the Maldives, a group of Australian environmental scientists uprooted a 50-year-old tree by the shoreline, aiming to conceal the fact that its location indicated that sea level had not been rising. This is a further indication of political tampering with scientific evidence about sea level.
Modelling is not a suitable method of determining global sea-level changes, since a proper evaluation depends upon detailed research in multiple locations with widely-differing characteristics. The true facts are to be found in nature itself.
Since sea level is not rising, the chief ground of concern at the potential effects of anthropogenic “global warming” – that millions of shore-dwellers the world over may be displaced as the oceans expand – is baseless.
We are facing a very grave, unethical “sea-level-gate”.

Hi

Did you write that all yourself?

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Date: 9/10/2014 19:17:41
From: Cymek
ID: 606937
Subject: re: Southern Hemisphere ocean warming 'underestimated'

I remember seeing a documentary staring Kevin Constner about ocean levels rises and the detrimental effect it had for the human race.

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Date: 9/10/2014 19:20:41
From: CrazyNeutrino
ID: 606939
Subject: re: Southern Hemisphere ocean warming 'underestimated'

Cymek said:


I remember seeing a documentary staring Kevin Constner about ocean levels rises and the detrimental effect it had for the human race.

Yeah I saw that

water everywhere

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Date: 9/10/2014 19:57:27
From: The_observer
ID: 606960
Subject: re: Southern Hemisphere ocean warming 'underestimated'

Cymek said:


I remember seeing a documentary staring Kevin Constner about ocean levels rises and the detrimental effect it had for the human race.

was it called Waterworld

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Date: 9/10/2014 19:59:40
From: dv
ID: 606964
Subject: re: Southern Hemisphere ocean warming 'underestimated'

The_observer said:


Cymek said:

I remember seeing a documentary staring Kevin Constner about ocean levels rises and the detrimental effect it had for the human race.

was it called Waterworld


Nah, Dances with Golf

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