Date: 15/10/2014 14:45:58
From: ms spock
ID: 609954
Subject: 12 Signs of Depression in Men

12 Signs of Depression in Men
http://www.health.com/health/gallery/0,,20521449,00.html

What depression looks like
by Lisa ZamoskyMore than 5 million men in the U.S. experience depression each year.

Clinical depression—in women or men—can cause sadness and a loss of interest in once pleasurable activities. But depression can sometimes manifest in different ways in different people.

“While the symptoms used to diagnose depression are the same regardless of gender, often the chief complaint can be different among men and women,” says Ian A. Cook, MD, the Miller Family professor of psychiatry at the University of California–Los Angeles.

Here are 12 signs of depression in men.

Fatigue
People who are depressed undergo a series of physical and emotional changes. They can experience fatigue, as well as psychomotor retardation, or a slowing down of physical movements, speech, and thought processes.

According to Josh Klapow, PhD, a clinical psychologist with the University of Alabama at Birmingham’s School of Public Health, men are more likely than women to report fatigue and other physical symptoms of depression as their chief complaints.

Sleeping too much or too little
Sleep problems—such as insomnia, waking up very early in the morning, or excessive sleeping—are common depression symptoms.

“ sleep 12 hours a day and still feel exhausted or toss and turn and wake up every two hours,” says Dr. Cook.

Like fatigue, sleep troubles are one of the main symptoms that depressed men may discuss with their doctor, experts say.

Stomachache or backache Health problems such as constipation or diarrhea, as well as headaches and back pain, are common in people who are depressed.

But men often don’t realize that chronic pain and digestive disorders go hand in hand with depression, according to focus groups conducted by the National Institute of Mental Health. Norman Sussman, MD, a professor of psychiatry at the NYU Langone Medical Center, says people who are depressed do genuinely feel bad physically.

“It is a medical disorder,” says Dr. Sussman.

Irritability Instead of seeming down, men who are depressed often show signs of irritability. “If they talk about an emotional component, it could be sadness with irritability,” says Dr. Cook.

In addition, says Klapow, negative thoughts are a common aspect of depression. “Men will report feeling irritable because they are having negative thoughts constantly,” he says.

Difficulty concentrating Psychomotor retardation can slow down a man’s ability to process information, thereby impairing concentration on work or other tasks.

“Depression fills one with negative thoughts, almost like an intrusion,” Klapow says. “You’re slowed down and constantly thinking about negative things in your world. As a result it makes it very difficult to focus on anything.”

“I describe depression as a form of reversible brain failure, Dr. Sussman says. “When you’re depressed, it’s like your CPU isn’t working properly.”

Anger or hostility
Some men manifest depression by being hostile, angry, or aggressive, says. Dr. Sussman. “A man who realizes something is wrong may need to compensate by demonstrating that he is still strong or capable,” he says.

Anger and hostility are different than irritability. “Anger tends to be a stronger emotion,” Klapow says. “Irritability is a crankiness.”

Dr. Sussman says he’s also seen men become hostile when they have withdrawn as a result of their depression and feel under pressure by friends or family to rejoin society.

StressAccording to Dr. Cook, stress and depression can also travel a two-way street. “It’s accurate to say that feeling stressed can be an indicator of having clinical depression but also be part of the cause,” he says.

Research has shown that prolonged exposure to stress can lead to changes both in the body and brain, which can in turn lead to depression.

Anxiety Research has shown a strong link between anxiety disorders and depression.

Men may be no more likely than women to experience anxiety—in fact, anxiety disorders are about twice as prevalent in women—but it’s often easier for men to talk about feeling anxious rather than sad, Dr. Cook says.

Men may discuss concerns about work and whether the loss of a job will impede their ability to provide for themselves and their family. “It may be easier to put words to worries and fears,” Dr. Cook says.

Research has shown that prolonged exposure to stress can lead to changes both in the body and brain, which can in turn lead to depression.

Substance abuse Substance abuse frequently accompanies depression. Research has shown that alcoholics are almost twice as likely to suffer from major depression as people without a drinking problem.

“It can happen for both men and women, but using drugs or alcohol to mask uncomfortable feelings is a strategy many men will employ instead of seeking health care,” says Dr. Cook.

“There’s a cultural bias of, ‘I should be able to fix this myself and so I’ll use what chemicals I have available to me to do that,’” Dr. Cook says.

Sexual dysfunction Depression is a common reason for loss of desire and erectile dysfunction (ED), and it’s one symptom that men are inclined not to report. “Performance problems can come from depression and make depression worse,” Dr. Cook says.

However, ED can be the result of other medical conditions or medications (including antidepressants), and ED by itself does not signal depression.

“My strong recommendation…is that you can’t go after one symptom; it’s a group of symptoms,” Klapow says.

Indecision “I can’t count the number of people who have said, ‘I had money in the bank but the phone got shut off because I couldn’t bring myself to or decide what to do and when.’ It gets overwhelming,” Dr. Cook says.

Some people naturally have a hard time making decisions, so an inability to make choices is usually worrisome only if it’s a new behavior.

“It’s an information-processing issue,” and depression slows down your ability to decide, Klapow says.

Suicidal thoughts Women are more likely to attempt suicide, but men are more than four times as likely to die if they do attempt suicide. One reason is that men tend to choose more lethal methods. “They more often use firearms and kill themselves the first time they try,” Dr. Cook says.

Older men are at highest risk for suicide, and doctors may miss depression symptoms in this group. In fact, more than 70% of older suicide victims saw their primary care physician within the month of their death.

Depression is not a normal part of aging in men or women.
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I don’t know what we do to get the blokes talking about this. It is challenging.

How do you blokes communicate with another bloke who has depression? My friend’s partner is in a bad way. My other friend’s brother committed suicide recently. Surely there is some way to address this stuff?

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Date: 15/10/2014 14:53:34
From: diddly-squat
ID: 609955
Subject: re: 12 Signs of Depression in Men

ms spock said:

I don’t know what we do to get the blokes talking about this. It is challenging.

How do you blokes communicate with another bloke who has depression? My friend’s partner is in a bad way. My other friend’s brother committed suicide recently. Surely there is some way to address this stuff?

I’m not sure I agree completely with this… I mean sure these things are indicators but it eems to me that all but 10 and 12 (and to a lesser extent 5 and 6) are pretty regular part of my life…

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Date: 15/10/2014 15:02:11
From: PermeateFree
ID: 609957
Subject: re: 12 Signs of Depression in Men

Probably depressed people do not realise they are depressed and often it is not until they can look back over time can they appreciate the situation they had been in. The best advice I can suggest is get them to a GP and get some antidepressants, at least then the depressed person will be able to come to terms with the problem, accept advice and get additional help if required.

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Date: 15/10/2014 15:09:38
From: stumpy_seahorse
ID: 609958
Subject: re: 12 Signs of Depression in Men

woot…

12/12…

do i get a prize? :P

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Date: 15/10/2014 15:10:17
From: Ian
ID: 609960
Subject: re: 12 Signs of Depression in Men

>How do you blokes communicate with another bloke who has depression?

Tell him to HTFU

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Date: 15/10/2014 15:14:02
From: wookiemeister
ID: 609961
Subject: re: 12 Signs of Depression in Men

ms spock said:

How do you blokes communicate with another bloke who has depression? My friend’s partner is in a bad way. My other friend’s brother committed suicide recently. Surely there is some way to address this stuff?


I invite them to be part of my elaborate and risky suicide plan, its not too long before they realise I’m crazier than them and they’ve strayed into somewhere they don’t want to be

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Date: 15/10/2014 15:14:49
From: stumpy_seahorse
ID: 609962
Subject: re: 12 Signs of Depression in Men

if they are depressed, console them, it’s not their fault that they barrack for holden…

and call them a Wambulance…

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Date: 15/10/2014 15:18:18
From: Ian
ID: 609964
Subject: re: 12 Signs of Depression in Men

Ian said:


>How do you blokes communicate with another bloke who has depression?

Tell him to HTFU

Nah..

It is totally futile attempting to adapt to a world which is crazy.

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Date: 15/10/2014 15:27:17
From: Ian
ID: 609972
Subject: re: 12 Signs of Depression in Men

Ian said:


Ian said:

>How do you blokes communicate with another bloke who has depression?

Tell him to HTFU

Nah..

It is totally futile attempting to adapt to a world which is crazy.

~ cynic mode

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Date: 15/10/2014 15:29:41
From: wookiemeister
ID: 609975
Subject: re: 12 Signs of Depression in Men

once the recession takes hold in Australia you’ll have all kinds of craziness going on, suicides , violent attacks etc increased volatility

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Date: 15/10/2014 15:33:53
From: PermeateFree
ID: 609978
Subject: re: 12 Signs of Depression in Men

wookiemeister said:


once the recession takes hold in Australia you’ll have all kinds of craziness going on, suicides , violent attacks etc increased volatility

We’ll just have to lock you up Wookie.

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Date: 15/10/2014 15:35:17
From: wookiemeister
ID: 609980
Subject: re: 12 Signs of Depression in Men

PermeateFree said:


wookiemeister said:

once the recession takes hold in Australia you’ll have all kinds of craziness going on, suicides , violent attacks etc increased volatility

We’ll just have to lock you up Wookie.


great, no probs it will be a nice holiday

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Date: 15/10/2014 15:35:56
From: wookiemeister
ID: 609981
Subject: re: 12 Signs of Depression in Men

i can do some reading, browsing, maybe i will be here all the time

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Date: 15/10/2014 15:38:14
From: poikilotherm
ID: 609984
Subject: re: 12 Signs of Depression in Men

wookiemeister said:


i can do some reading, browsing, maybe i will be here all the time

It’s a short drive to cross the border…

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Date: 15/10/2014 15:41:22
From: wookiemeister
ID: 609988
Subject: re: 12 Signs of Depression in Men

poikilotherm said:


wookiemeister said:

i can do some reading, browsing, maybe i will be here all the time

It’s a short drive to cross the border…


turkey has officially blocked the border at the moment, i don’t think i stand a good chance there , that’s ISIS territory. you get captured by the “FSA” and you wind up in an orange jumpsuit being sacrificed by ISIS – the FSA probably makes some good money selling westerners to ISIS – they are all in bed with each other – its a veritable hotbed of terrorist activity.

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Date: 15/10/2014 15:42:30
From: wookiemeister
ID: 609989
Subject: re: 12 Signs of Depression in Men

wookiemeister said:


poikilotherm said:

wookiemeister said:

i can do some reading, browsing, maybe i will be here all the time

It’s a short drive to cross the border…


turkey has officially blocked the border at the moment, i don’t think i stand a good chance there , that’s ISIS territory. you get captured by the “FSA” and you wind up in an orange jumpsuit being sacrificed by ISIS – the FSA probably makes some good money selling westerners to ISIS – they are all in bed with each other – its a veritable hotbed of terrorist activity.

anyone want to come with?

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Date: 15/10/2014 16:06:45
From: dv
ID: 610003
Subject: re: 12 Signs of Depression in Men

Since when did anyone care about depression in men? These guys probably just need to toughen up and be more manly.

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Date: 15/10/2014 16:09:32
From: Bubblecar
ID: 610007
Subject: re: 12 Signs of Depression in Men

dv said:


Since when did anyone care about depression in men? These guys probably just need to toughen up and be more manly.

They need to grow a pear.

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Date: 15/10/2014 16:11:21
From: dv
ID: 610010
Subject: re: 12 Signs of Depression in Men

Bubblecar said:


dv said:

Since when did anyone care about depression in men? These guys probably just need to toughen up and be more manly.

They need to grow a pear.

Yes, tending to trees can have a calming effect.

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Date: 15/10/2014 16:57:26
From: transition
ID: 610024
Subject: re: 12 Signs of Depression in Men

……don’t have a CPU, or wetware and mental states that lends to that machine analogy, however I do have something like wetware and mental states, that are involved in ‘processing’ of sorts.

…..have an idea that humans being treated or thinking of each other in crude machine terms may lend to some becoming miserable, but it’s just an idea.

…..have another idea too, being that thinking of mental states in crude terms, that this might lend to some poor fucken bastard somewhere getting fucked over by ideology.

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Date: 15/10/2014 16:58:19
From: wookiemeister
ID: 610027
Subject: re: 12 Signs of Depression in Men

hmmmmmmm

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Date: 15/10/2014 17:22:13
From: pommiejohn
ID: 610031
Subject: re: 12 Signs of Depression in Men

ms spock said:

I don’t know what we do to get the blokes talking about this. It is challenging.

How do you blokes communicate with another bloke who has depression? My friend’s partner is in a bad way. My other friend’s brother committed suicide recently. Surely there is some way to address this stuff?

In answer to your question, we don’t! That’s the problem. It seems to be heading for an epidemic if you look at men of a certain age. Some of my best friends are on anti depressants and you’d think they have the best lives imaginable, jobs we envy, great home lives ( as far as an outsider can tell about someone else’s relationships) and they can’t have money worries unless they have a massive drug habit I don’t know about :)

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Date: 15/10/2014 17:32:35
From: Dropbear
ID: 610035
Subject: re: 12 Signs of Depression in Men

if I’m depressed then that’s between me and my dog. Stop trying to get me to verbalise that shit

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Date: 15/10/2014 17:33:25
From: ratty one
ID: 610038
Subject: re: 12 Signs of Depression in Men

Dropbear said:


if I’m depressed then that’s between me and my dog. Stop trying to get me to verbalise that shit

what about “the man” cave?

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Date: 15/10/2014 17:34:49
From: Dropbear
ID: 610042
Subject: re: 12 Signs of Depression in Men

ratty one said:


Dropbear said:

if I’m depressed then that’s between me and my dog. Stop trying to get me to verbalise that shit

what about “the man” cave?

And you can damn well stay out of that too…

And you kids, get off mah lawn

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Date: 15/10/2014 17:45:39
From: sibeen
ID: 610053
Subject: re: 12 Signs of Depression in Men

13. Married

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Date: 15/10/2014 17:50:50
From: Dropbear
ID: 610055
Subject: re: 12 Signs of Depression in Men

I think I have all of those, except indecision. Not sure

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Date: 15/10/2014 17:51:34
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 610056
Subject: re: 12 Signs of Depression in Men

You’d have to be mad to take any notice of some of these signs.

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Date: 15/10/2014 17:53:56
From: Dropbear
ID: 610057
Subject: re: 12 Signs of Depression in Men

I got sexual dis-function, sexual dat-function, sexual all-de-functions

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Date: 15/10/2014 17:57:29
From: JudgeMental
ID: 610059
Subject: re: 12 Signs of Depression in Men

i’m fine.

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Date: 15/10/2014 17:58:04
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 610060
Subject: re: 12 Signs of Depression in Men

and so am i.

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Date: 15/10/2014 20:03:36
From: CrazyNeutrino
ID: 610129
Subject: re: 12 Signs of Depression in Men

I dont care anymore

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Date: 15/10/2014 20:16:20
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 610137
Subject: re: 12 Signs of Depression in Men

ms spock said:


12 Signs of Depression in Men
Here are 12 signs of depression in men.
Fatigue
Sleeping too much or too little
Stomachache or backache
Irritability
Difficulty concentrating
Anger or hostility
Stress</b<br/> Anxiety
Substance abuse
Sexual dysfunction
Indecision
Suicidal thoughts

I don’t know what we do to get the blokes talking about this. It is challenging.

How do you blokes communicate with another bloke who has depression? My friend’s partner is in a bad way. My other friend’s brother committed suicide recently. Surely there is some way to address this stuff?

To comment, as a man who has been diagnosed with (mild) depression and who has not recently been taking his antidepressants.

Fatigue
Yes.
Sleeping too much or too little
No. That’s a normal function of aging.
Stomachache or backache
World of difference between the two. Stomach ache is a sign of acute fear. Backache is more a female thing.
Irritability
Yes
Difficulty concentrating
Yes
Anger or hostility
Yes
Stress</b<br/>Yes, depression makes stress seem bigger than it really is
Anxiety
Yes.
Substance abuse
No.
Sexual dysfunction
Defnitely not, quite the reverse in three different ways. 1) Many anti-depressant medications cause sexual dysfunction. 2) Depression causes better sexual function in the same way and for much the same reason that a stressed plant blooms better. 3) Sexual dysfunction, such as age-related, is a big cause of depression in some cases.
Indecision
Yes.
Suicidal thoughts
A bit.

> I don’t know what we do to get the blokes talking about this. It is challenging.

Talk about it in pillow talk. That’s the easiest way. Assuming you care to listen.

> How do you blokes communicate with another bloke who has depression?

Mostly in structured group meetings, particularly there’s an organisation called GROW with groups all around Australia where me open up about this stuff and other emotions.

> My friend’s partner is in a bad way. My other friend’s brother committed suicide recently. Surely there is some way to address this stuff?

Get the person to see a doctor ASAP. Depending on the doctor, they will recommend one of three things, so if one doesn’t work try another (another doctor or another method).

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Date: 15/10/2014 20:31:58
From: ratty one
ID: 610145
Subject: re: 12 Signs of Depression in Men

CrazyNeutrino said:


I dont care anymore

Don’t care about what precisely?

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