OK I’ve decided to bite the bullet and upgrade the power supply of the “new” computer, to ensure it works with the new video card – and do it all myself.
This one was recommended by CrazyNeutrino
Is that “roof-mounted” fan suitable for standard computer cases?
Bubblecar said:
OK I’ve decided to bite the bullet and upgrade the power supply of the “new” computer, to ensure it works with the new video card – and do it all myself.This one was recommended by CrazyNeutrino
Is that “roof-mounted” fan suitable for standard computer cases?
Ask the nerds at the store if it will fit these dimensions (from your HP website link);
Power Supply
Internal 300W (100V-240V)
Form factor: Internal ATX
Total wattage: 300W
Nominal input voltage range: 200-240V/3A (50-60Hz)
Dimensions: 150mm x 140mm x 86mm (5.9 × 5.5 × 3.4 inches)
poikilotherm said:
Ask the nerds at the store if it will fit these dimensions (from your HP website link);Power Supply
Internal 300W (100V-240V)
Form factor: Internal ATX
Total wattage: 300W
Nominal input voltage range: 200-240V/3A (50-60Hz)
Dimensions: 150mm x 140mm x 86mm (5.9 × 5.5 × 3.4 inches)
Good idea, ta.
All ATX power supplies are usually the same size
ATX is a standard
make notes of where all the connections go to
then its a matter of unplugging the connections from the old power supply to the motherboard and then replugging the connections from the new power supply to the motherboard
take photos of the old power supply connections if you are really unsure of things
CrazyNeutrino said:
All ATX power supplies are usually the same sizeATX is a standard
make notes of where all the connections go to
then its a matter of unplugging the connections from the old power supply to the motherboard and then replugging the connections from the new power supply to the motherboard
take photos of the old power supply connections if you are really unsure of things
Ta Crazy. The For Dummies article suggests sticking masking tape labels on the old power supply connections for reference before unpluggling them.
From Kyle at PC Case Gear:
Hi Nik,
The Antec True Power Classic 750W 80 Plus Gold Power Supply should be compatible in your system :-)
Regards,
>>The Antec True Power Classic 750W 80 Plus Gold Power Supply
Phoaw!!
Peak Warming Man said:
>>The Antec True Power Classic 750W 80 Plus Gold Power SupplyPhoaw!!
I’m expecting miracles.
Should be alright, Car, be able to mount 6 × 100W Halogen auto spotlights on the tower and still run the computer. Plenty light and heating.
All good.
I’ve decided while I’m at it I may as well boost the system ram from 6 to 8gb, and replace the integrated sound with this:
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=211&products_id=22196
(I’ve got a fine external Steinberg audio interface for all my music recording/creation needs, but it only works with Cubase. Games etc just use the integrated Realtek sound which isn’t great).
When you install a PCI Express sound card, does this automatically replace integrated sound, or do you have to disconnect that somehow?
Bubblecar said:
I’ve decided while I’m at it I may as well boost the system ram from 6 to 8gb, and replace the integrated sound with this:http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=211&products_id=22196
(I’ve got a fine external Steinberg audio interface for all my music recording/creation needs, but it only works with Cubase. Games etc just use the integrated Realtek sound which isn’t great).
When you install a PCI Express sound card, does this automatically replace integrated sound, or do you have to disconnect that somehow?
Are you using Winblows 64bit?
poikilotherm said:
Are you using Winblows 64bit?
Yes.
Found an article on using multiple soundcards on windows
http://www.dxlabsuite.com/winwarbler/Help/ConfiguringMultipleSoundcards.htm
Looks like I just have to install the soundcard and choose the default device in Control Panel, Sounds. Ta Crazy.
Is there any trick to unplugging the big 24 pin power connector from the motherboard, or do you just pull really hard? Doesn’t seem to want to budge.
Bubblecar said:
Is there any trick to unplugging the big 24 pin power connector from the motherboard, or do you just pull really hard? Doesn’t seem to want to budge.
there is clip on the side which you press in while lifting up
CrazyNeutrino said:
Bubblecar said:
Is there any trick to unplugging the big 24 pin power connector from the motherboard, or do you just pull really hard? Doesn’t seem to want to budge.
there is clip on the side which you press in while lifting up
some can be difficult as in tight
Bubblecar said:
Is there any trick to unplugging the big 24 pin power connector from the motherboard, or do you just pull really hard? Doesn’t seem to want to budge.
they sually have some sort of clip that you need to squeeze in to remove.
CrazyNeutrino said:
Bubblecar said:
Is there any trick to unplugging the big 24 pin power connector from the motherboard, or do you just pull really hard? Doesn’t seem to want to budge.
there is clip on the side which you press in while lifting up
Ta, didn’t notice that. It’s not just very tight but hard to get a grip on because of where it’s located.
May have to use pliers.
This is going to be good, grabs a cold drink and some nuts.
Bubblecar said:
May have to use pliers.
No, got it.
Bugger. I was hoping the unfolding drama could be used in this year’s NaNoWriMo effort.
Some of these plugs are very hard to access. It would help if I had tiny (but powerful) child labour hands instead of big man hands.
Divine Angel said:
Bugger. I was hoping the unfolding drama could be used in this year’s NaNoWriMo effort.
Hopefully he’s not too weak from the 3F diet to remove the plug
Seems to be everything unplugged. Now to unscrew and remove the power supply. Don’t hold your breath, I could be some time…
gee bublecar I went to the street to buy popcorn
glad you have it sorted
:)
Bubblecar said:
Seems to be everything unplugged. Now to unscrew and remove the power supply. Don’t hold your breath, I could be some time…
Ha, it was quick & easy. Now to get the new one in.
Actually I’d better install the new sound card first, while there’s easier access. If there’s actually enough room for it….
just wondering with new video card
did you keep the box
there should be a 6 pin connector under the flap at the top
No connector came with it but there are three 6 + 2 plugs with the new power supply. Would it be OK to use the 6 pin side of one of those, and just leave the 2 pin bit dangling?
Bubblecar said:
No connector came with it but there are three 6 + 2 plugs with the new power supply. Would it be OK to use the 6 pin side of one of those, and just leave the 2 pin bit dangling?
it should be ok
it should be 12 volt afaik
OK sound card’s installed. I cleverly arranged it so it’s helping to keep smaller wires off the video card fans.
Now I just hope there’s enough room the new power supply…
Just noticed all those 6+2 pin plugs are PCI-E. Can they be used with a PCI device (the video card)?
Bubblecar said:
Just noticed all those 6+2 pin plugs are PCI-E. Can they be used with a PCI device (the video card)?
yes
Ta. Now looking at the PSU online manual, there’s a 4+4 pin connector for the CPU. I’m sure I didn’t unplug such a thing from the old PSU.
Bubblecar said:
Ta. Now looking at the PSU online manual, there’s a 4+4 pin connector for the CPU. I’m sure I didn’t unplug such a thing from the old PSU.
Doesn’t even seem to be a motherboard socket for any such plug(s).
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:
Ta. Now looking at the PSU online manual, there’s a 4+4 pin connector for the CPU. I’m sure I didn’t unplug such a thing from the old PSU.
Doesn’t even seem to be a motherboard socket for any such plug(s).
Is there an 8 pin socket on the motherboard? Plug both into that.
poikilotherm said:
Is there an 8 pin socket on the motherboard? Plug both into that.
Just found “ATX CPU” written next to the four-pin motherboard socket I unplugged the old one from. So I just plug one of the PSU CPU 4-pins into that, and forget about the other one?
Bubblecar said:
Ta. Now looking at the PSU online manual, there’s a 4+4 pin connector for the CPU. I’m sure I didn’t unplug such a thing from the old PSU.
What mother board do you have?
CrazyNeutrino said:
Bubblecar said:
Ta. Now looking at the PSU online manual, there’s a 4+4 pin connector for the CPU. I’m sure I didn’t unplug such a thing from the old PSU.
What mother board do you have?
Specs here:
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c03527556&tmp_task=prodinfoCategory&cc=au&dlc=en&lc=en&product=5299369#N92
Bubblecar said:
poikilotherm said:
Is there an 8 pin socket on the motherboard? Plug both into that.
Just found “ATX CPU” written next to the four-pin motherboard socket I unplugged the old one from. So I just plug one of the PSU CPU 4-pins into that, and forget about the other one?
that should be the one
Still not sure of the orientation of this PSU. It’s to be top-mounted, so should the fan face downwards? (the old one has a fan in the back, this one has a bigger one on the bottom (or top, depending on which way up it is :))
Bubblecar said:
Still not sure of the orientation of this PSU. It’s to be top-mounted, so should the fan face downwards? (the old one has a fan in the back, this one has a bigger one on the bottom (or top, depending on which way up it is :))
its ok if the fan is on the bottom
just put it in with the on off switch at the back
Effing hell. That Dummies site says to:
Plug your new power supply into the wall before installing it, just to listen for the fan. If the fan doesn’t work, return the power supply for one that works.
So. I plugged it in and – fan no work :/
I just knew that there would be a twist to this tale.
You plugged it in. Did you turn it on?
Switch on the wall socket on? Switch on the PSU on?
I don’t know if it’s applicable to your PSU, but mine has a feature wherein the fan wont come on until it reaches a certain temperature. This feature can be enabled and disabled by another switch on the PSU. Check to see if there is another switch.
sibeen said:
I just knew that there would be a twist to this tale.
It wouldn’t be fun without it
Bubblecar said:
Effing hell. That Dummies site says to:Plug your new power supply into the wall before installing it, just to listen for the fan. If the fan doesn’t work, return the power supply for one that works.
So. I plugged it in and – fan no work :/
no, it needs to be installed into the computer
There’s a switch next to the plug socket with just I & O on it. I tried both but it didn’t work. I’ll leave it on for a while in case there’s a delay.
CrazyNeutrino said:
Bubblecar said:
Effing hell. That Dummies site says to:Plug your new power supply into the wall before installing it, just to listen for the fan. If the fan doesn’t work, return the power supply for one that works.
So. I plugged it in and – fan no work :/
no, it needs to be installed into the computer
Then why does the Dummies site say to test it before installing?
When your computer is turned off and plugged in, the PSU does nothing. Only when turning your computer on does your PSU start up. This suggests, one of the connections to the motherboard controls the on/off of the PSU. Plugging a PSU into a wall does nothing…
furious said:
When your computer is turned off and plugged in, the PSU does nothing. Only when turning your computer on does your PSU start up. This suggests, one of the connections to the motherboard controls the on/off of the PSU. Plugging a PSU into a wall does nothing…
Then that Dummies site must be written by dummies. Step 8 at the page below:
http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/how-to-replace-your-desktop-pcs-power-supply.html
Bubblecar said:
CrazyNeutrino said:
Bubblecar said:
Effing hell. That Dummies site says to:Plug your new power supply into the wall before installing it, just to listen for the fan. If the fan doesn’t work, return the power supply for one that works.
So. I plugged it in and – fan no work :/
no, it needs to be installed into the computer
Then why does the Dummies site say to test it before installing?
You can buy power supply testers
but it should work, start from scratch and go over everything again
I’ll just install it and plug everything in and see what happens.
Bubblecar said:
I’ll just install it and plug everything in and see what happens.
cool
That’s how I do it…
How on Earth all that shite is supposed to fit in there, Christ alone knows.
Bubblecar said:
How on Earth all that shite is supposed to fit in there, Christ alone knows.!http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i199/bubcar9/amess_zps61a6c7c5.jpg
stuff it into the empty drive bays. etc
Bubblecar said:
How on Earth all that shite is supposed to fit in there, Christ alone knows.
if you plug most of them in it should work
runs away
poikilotherm said:
Bubblecar said:
How on Earth all that shite is supposed to fit in there, Christ alone knows.!http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i199/bubcar9/amess_zps61a6c7c5.jpg
stuff it into the empty drive bays. etc
yeah, do that
Anyway, time for a break. And a glass of wine to settle my nerves.
CrazyNeutrino said:
Bubblecar said:
How on Earth all that shite is supposed to fit in there, Christ alone knows.
if you plug most of them in it should work
runs away
It looks like a Dr Who gadget
I’m doubting that I’ll be able to get it all to bend enough to clear that DVD drive (top left).
Did you use an Antistatic wrist strap whilst plugging things into your computer?
furious said:
Did you use an Antistatic wrist strap whilst plugging things into your computer?
No. I don’t have one and I haven’t plugged the PSU connectors in yet anyway. I’m having a glass of wine while I think about how it’s going to be done :)
jeeez, car, your million watt, million dollar PS has got some cabling.
You don’t necessarily need one but it is an alleged safe guard against doing damage to the more sensitive components…
I’ll presumably have to cut that tie thing holding them all together near the PSU and try to fit each cable in individually. There’s no way they’ll bend around the DVD as a unit like that.
Is it upside down? It looks upside down…
furious said:
- I’ll presumably have to cut that tie thing holding them all together near the PSU and try to fit each cable in individually. There’s no way they’ll bend around the DVD as a unit like that.
Is it upside down? It looks upside down…
The label on the other side is the right way up :)
It’s designed for top or bottom mounting, so I presume that’s the right way up for top mounting, so that the fan is pointing downwards and not just crammed against the inside of the top of the case. And the cables would have even less room up the other way.
Bubblecar said:
And the cables would have even less room up the other way.
In fact they’d ensure it would be impossible to get the PSU in the case at all.
Luckily I’ve only got 1.5 glasses of wine left, or I’d be tempted just put the whole sorry mess in the corner and worry about it in the morning.
Well everything internal is reconnected and the many kms of surplus cable stuffed in and tucked into corners. Now about to put the side of the case back on, reconnect everything, turn it and see WTF happens.
turn it = on
SUCCESS!
Posting from the new pooter, which is not only working but very silently. I was worried about those extra fans etc causing a lot of noise but it’s even quieter than it was before. Now to install various software.
Goodo. PWM can stop pacing now.
Today: cleaning up the mess this project entailed in several rooms.
And I ought to email that PSU Replacement for Dummies site to tell them to get rid of Step 8, ‘cos it’s nonsense.
excellent, wife thought all those cables coming from the PS looked like something out of the Borg Cube, and that you may have been assimilated.
transition said:
excellent, wife thought all those cables coming from the PS looked like something out of the Borg Cube, and that you may have been assimilated.
Once I’d psyched myself up for it, getting it all in proved quite quick & easy.
Bubblecar said:
Today: cleaning up the mess this project entailed in several rooms.And I ought to email that PSU Replacement for Dummies site to tell them to get rid of Step 8, ‘cos it’s nonsense.
Not to dummies it’s not.
Bubblecar said:
Once I’d psyched myself up for it, getting it all in proved quite quick & easy.
giggles
>giggles
you going to man his approach up some, witty.
Witty Rejoinder said:
Bubblecar said:Once I’d psyched myself up for it, getting it all in proved quite quick & easy.
giggles
It’s amazing what a bit a vass will do…
Witty Rejoinder said:
Bubblecar said:Once I’d psyched myself up for it, getting it all in proved quite quick & easy.
giggles
Shouldn’t it be more a titter than a giggle
Bubblecar said:
Effing hell. That Dummies site says to:Plug your new power supply into the wall before installing it, just to listen for the fan. If the fan doesn’t work, return the power supply for one that works.
So. I plugged it in and – fan no work :/
I’ve just found this. Plugging a bare PSU into a GPO and turning it on will not achieve anything, because there’s a pin on the main connector that need to be connected to ground for the PSU to turn on. From memory it’s pin 15 and can be connected to pin 4. I could check but since you’ve already found that it works there doesn’t seem to be any point.