Date: 26/10/2014 08:47:46
From: Postpocelipse
ID: 616232
Subject: Researcher shows that black holes do not exist

Black holes have long captured the public imagination and been the subject of popular culture, from Star Trek to Hollywood. They are the ultimate unknown – the blackest and most dense objects in the universe that do not even let light escape. And as if they weren’t bizarre enough to begin with, now add this to the mix: they don’t exist.

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Date: 26/10/2014 08:51:21
From: dv
ID: 616233
Subject: re: Researcher shows that black holes do not exist

Almost certainly wrong, of course, but it will be interesting to see how it plays out.

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Date: 26/10/2014 10:28:31
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 616271
Subject: re: Researcher shows that black holes do not exist

I can think already of quite a few papers that show that black holes can’t exist. My favourite is the “fuzzball” unification of black holes and string theory in which strings ball up to form a sphere of the same diameter as the supposed black hole – but it isn’t black.

However, Mersini-Houghton’s approach is totally different. It says, not that black holes don’t exist, but that they can’t be formed by a star going supernova. The technical arXiv article is here

“A star collapsing gravitationally into a black hole emits a flux of radiation, knowns as Hawking
radiation. When the initial state of a quantum field on the background of the star, is placed
in the Unruh vacuum in the far past, then Hawking radiation corresponds to a flux of positive
energy radiation travelling outwards to future infinity. The evaporation of the collapsing star can
be equivalently described as a negative energy flux of radiation travelling radially inwards towards
the center of the star. Here, we are interested in the evolution of the star during its collapse. Thus
we include the backreaction of the negative energy Hawking flux in the interior geometry of the
collapsing star and solve the full 4-dimensional Einstein and hydrodynamical equations numerically.
We find that Hawking radiation emitted just before the star passes through its Schwarzschild radius
slows down the collapse of the star and substantially reduces its mass thus the star bounces before
reaching the horizon. The area radius starts increasing after the bounce. Beyond this point our
program breaks down due to shell crossing. We find that the star stops collapsing at a finite radius
larger than its horizon, turns around and its core explodes. This study provides a realistic
investigation of the backreaction of Hawking radiation on the collapsing star.”

This looks to me like someone has slipped more than a couple of decimal places in their calculation. Hawking radiation for an object as large as a stellar mass black hole ought to be negligible. It only become significant for much smaller black holes.

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Date: 26/10/2014 13:14:55
From: Bubblecar
ID: 616377
Subject: re: Researcher shows that black holes do not exist

Does seem an odd idea. We’re normally told that a stellar mass black hole takes hundreds of billions of years to dissolve due to Hawking radiation. Now suddenly it’s quick and powerful enough to prevent gravitational collapse from occurring in the first place.

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Date: 26/10/2014 14:18:35
From: Thomo
ID: 616413
Subject: re: Researcher shows that black holes do not exist

Black Holes Exist. So Does Bad Science
The press jumped on a new paper that claims that black holes can’t ever form. But it hasn’t been peer-reviewed or published in a scientific journal—and that’s only the beginning.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/09/28/black-holes-exist-so-does-bad-science.html

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Date: 26/10/2014 14:19:58
From: Divine Angel
ID: 616414
Subject: re: Researcher shows that black holes do not exist

I’m sure Phil Plait is working on a blog post right now about it.

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Date: 26/10/2014 14:23:49
From: roughbarked
ID: 616416
Subject: re: Researcher shows that black holes do not exist

there is a lot of work but there are different ways of achieving that work.

But I think it is much more fun if you can join a band because then you don’t have to practice because you can do all your practicing on stage.

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Date: 26/10/2014 14:24:40
From: roughbarked
ID: 616417
Subject: re: Researcher shows that black holes do not exist

roughbarked said:


there is a lot of work but there are different ways of achieving that work.

But I think it is much more fun if you can join a band because then you don’t have to practice because you can do all your practicing on stage.

:) Jack Bruce said that but I think he knew more about whether black holes existed than most.

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Date: 27/10/2014 13:07:51
From: Cymek
ID: 616956
Subject: re: Researcher shows that black holes do not exist

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/movies/black-hole-special-effects-turns-physics-equations-into-visual-reality/story-e6frfmw0-1227102548221

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Date: 27/10/2014 13:35:41
From: Cymek
ID: 616965
Subject: re: Researcher shows that black holes do not exist

The reality (or as close to it as we currently know) rendering of a black hole is actually far cooler than the Hollywood version

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