Say I was a person alive in 2014, who wanted to live forever.

How would I go about achieving this?

Bubblecar said:

Say I was a person alive in 2014, who wanted to live forever.

How would I go about achieving this?

Don’t die, would be my first advice off the bat.

Bubblecar said:

Say I was a person alive in 2014, who wanted to live forever.

How would I go about achieving this?

I think you’d need to get involved in DNA research. Figure out how DNA changes over time with age, and find a way to reverse it, so that DNA can be “reset” back to a certain body age – say 21 or 25.

Bubblecar said:

Say I was a person alive in 2014, who wanted to live forever.

How would I go about achieving this?

Please the gods.

sibeen said:

Bubblecar said:

Say I was a person alive in 2014, who wanted to live forever.

How would I go about achieving this?

Don’t die, would be my first advice off the bat.

Good idea, but how would I go about achieving it?

Ha, read it as Immorality 2014.

gone

Bubblecar said:

sibeen said:

Bubblecar said:

Say I was a person alive in 2014, who wanted to live forever.

How would I go about achieving this?

Don’t die, would be my first advice off the bat.

Good idea, but how would I go about achieving it?

Lose weight and exercise.

< /troll>

OCDC said:

Ha, read it as Immorality 2014.

Got that one sorted.

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

Say I was a person alive in 2014, who wanted to live forever.

How would I go about achieving this?

I think you’d need to get involved in DNA research. Figure out how DNA changes over time with age, and find a way to reverse it, so that DNA can be “reset” back to a certain body age – say 21 or 25.

I think the usual way of DNA replication has been ruled out in Mr Car’s book

stumpy_seahorse said:

I think the usual way of DNA replication has been ruled out in Mr Car’s book

Reproduction is not remotely immortality.

Bubblecar said:

Say I was a person alive in 2014, who wanted to live forever.

How would I go about achieving this?

I would clone myself, then when the brain size of the copy is right

switch brains

stuff the ethics, the clone belongs to you, its your dna

I can see religious people running around screaming waving their arms

ignore them

its not their body

stumpy_seahorse said:

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

Say I was a person alive in 2014, who wanted to live forever.

How would I go about achieving this?

I think you’d need to get involved in DNA research. Figure out how DNA changes over time with age, and find a way to reverse it, so that DNA can be “reset” back to a certain body age – say 21 or 25.

I think the usual way of DNA replication has been ruled out in Mr Car’s book

According to one of Dr Karl’s books a few years ago, you need to make a personalised retro-virus that will get into your cells and modify your DNA.

CrazyNeutrino said:

switch brains

That’s certainly one promising idea. From Wiki:

A brain transplant or whole-body transplant is a procedure in which the brain of one organism is transplanted into the body of another. It is a procedure distinct from head transplantation, which involves transferring the entire head to a new body, as opposed to the brain only. Theoretically, a person with advanced organ failure could be given a new and functional body while keeping their own personality and memories.

Historically, only one brain transplant was conducted by neurosurgeon Robert J. White, he transplanted the brain of a dog into the neck of another dog. EEG readings showed the brain was later functioning normally. It also proved the brain was an immunologically privileged organ as the hosts’s immune system did not attack it. Brain transplants and similar concepts have also been explored in various forms of science fiction.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_transplant

Bubblecar said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

switch brains

That’s certainly one promising idea. From Wiki:

A brain transplant or whole-body transplant is a procedure in which the brain of one organism is transplanted into the body of another. It is a procedure distinct from head transplantation, which involves transferring the entire head to a new body, as opposed to the brain only. Theoretically, a person with advanced organ failure could be given a new and functional body while keeping their own personality and memories.

Historically, only one brain transplant was conducted by neurosurgeon Robert J. White, he transplanted the brain of a dog into the neck of another dog. EEG readings showed the brain was later functioning normally. It also proved the brain was an immunologically privileged organ as the hosts’s immune system did not attack it. Brain transplants and similar concepts have also been explored in various forms of science fiction.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_transplant

I Will Fear No Evil.

Bubblecar said:

Say I was a person alive in 2014, who wanted to live forever.

How would I go about achieving this?

stop smoking

sibeen said:

Bubblecar said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

switch brains

That’s certainly one promising idea. From Wiki:

A brain transplant or whole-body transplant is a procedure in which the brain of one organism is transplanted into the body of another. It is a procedure distinct from head transplantation, which involves transferring the entire head to a new body, as opposed to the brain only. Theoretically, a person with advanced organ failure could be given a new and functional body while keeping their own personality and memories.

Historically, only one brain transplant was conducted by neurosurgeon Robert J. White, he transplanted the brain of a dog into the neck of another dog. EEG readings showed the brain was later functioning normally. It also proved the brain was an immunologically privileged organ as the hosts’s immune system did not attack it. Brain transplants and similar concepts have also been explored in various forms of science fiction.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_transplant

I Will Fear No Evil.

insanity

sibeen said:

Bubblecar said:

Say I was a person alive in 2014, who wanted to live forever.

How would I go about achieving this?

Don’t die, would be my first advice off the bat.

You’re clearly no playing for Australia today, are you.

currently there are no methods to allow anyone to “live forever”. and that is using a non-infinite meaning of “for ever”.

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

Say I was a person alive in 2014, who wanted to live forever.

How would I go about achieving this?

I think you’d need to get involved in DNA research. Figure out how DNA changes over time with age, and find a way to reverse it, so that DNA can be “reset” back to a certain body age – say 21 or 25.

Telomeres.

Bubblecar said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

switch brains

That’s certainly one promising idea. From Wiki:

A brain transplant or whole-body transplant is a procedure in which the brain of one organism is transplanted into the body of another. It is a procedure distinct from head transplantation, which involves transferring the entire head to a new body, as opposed to the brain only. Theoretically, a person with advanced organ failure could be given a new and functional body while keeping their own personality and memories.

Historically, only one brain transplant was conducted by neurosurgeon Robert J. White, he transplanted the brain of a dog into the neck of another dog. EEG readings showed the brain was later functioning normally. It also proved the brain was an immunologically privileged organ as the hosts’s immune system did not attack it. Brain transplants and similar concepts have also been explored in various forms of science fiction.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_transplant

and the fact that its your cloned body means less change of rejection,

Id say your clone would not reject your brain

But I would get your clone to eat the same food as you

and drink the same etc

discover that the bacteria are the same etc

see article I posted

Bacteria linked to human behaviour

JudgeMental said:

currently there are no methods to allow anyone to “live forever”. and that is using a non-infinite meaning of “for ever”.

There must be a way. I call for a lot more government funding into this problem.

Michael V said:

party_pants said:

Bubblecar said:

Say I was a person alive in 2014, who wanted to live forever.

How would I go about achieving this?

I think you’d need to get involved in DNA research. Figure out how DNA changes over time with age, and find a way to reverse it, so that DNA can be “reset” back to a certain body age – say 21 or 25.

Telomeres.

What does this mean? Sorry, never heard of the word.

Why would you want to live forever?

buffy said:

Why would you want to live forever?

I like living.

Bubblecar said:

buffy said:

Why would you want to live forever?

I like living.

I see a lot of old people. Life gets tiring and even if you are fit and healthy there needs to be an end.

telomeres are the ends of chromosomes/genes (can’t remember which) that get shorter over time. and this is thought to affect the copying process and so deleterious to cells. and why you age.

party_pants said:

Michael V said:

party_pants said:

I think you’d need to get involved in DNA research. Figure out how DNA changes over time with age, and find a way to reverse it, so that DNA can be “reset” back to a certain body age – say 21 or 25.

Telomeres.

What does this mean? Sorry, never heard of the word.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telomere

“A telomere is a region of repetitive nucleotide sequences at each end of a chromatid, which protects the end of the chromosome from deterioration or from fusion with neighbouring chromosomes. Its name is derived from the Greek nouns telos (τέλος) ‘end’ and merοs (μέρος, root: μερ-) ‘part.’ For vertebrates, the sequence of nucleotides in telomeres is TTAGGG.

During chromosome replication, the enzymes that duplicate DNA cannot continue their duplication all the way to the end of a chromosome, so in each duplication the end of the chromosome is shortened.”

JudgeMental said:

telomeres are the ends of chromosomes/genes (can’t remember which) that get shorter over time. and this is thought to affect the copying process and so deleterious to cells. and why you age.

ok thanks.

that’s sort of what I mean, Bubblecar needs to research that area with the view to somehow “reset” them back to what they were when he was 20-25, and do a refresh every 5 years or so.

There would be no immortality as such though, just no ageing. Still would die inevitably from violence, accident, disease or some such.

buffy said:

Bubblecar said:

buffy said:

Why would you want to live forever?

I like living.

I see a lot of old people. Life gets tiring and even if you are fit and healthy there needs to be an end.

“even if you are fit and healthy”? I don’t think so. You’d have to be insane to be tired of life if you’re still fit & healthy.

I suspect your old people who are tired of life aren’t actually fit & healthy.

Michael V said:

party_pants said:

Michael V said:

Telomeres.

What does this mean? Sorry, never heard of the word.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telomere

“A telomere is a region of repetitive nucleotide sequences at each end of a chromatid, which protects the end of the chromosome from deterioration or from fusion with neighbouring chromosomes. Its name is derived from the Greek nouns telos (τέλος) ‘end’ and merοs (μέρος, root: μερ-) ‘part.’ For vertebrates, the sequence of nucleotides in telomeres is TTAGGG.

During chromosome replication, the enzymes that duplicate DNA cannot continue their duplication all the way to the end of a chromosome, so in each duplication the end of the chromosome is shortened.”

Mr V beat me to it.
Once we crack the mystery of telemeres we will be a long way into beating old age.

I have no idea where I read it, it was a long time ago, but basically the guts of the matter was that even if we gained immortality in our bodies, the maximum age would still be in the order of 400 years; except for some extreme outliers. Statistically, accidents and mother nature would put an upper bound on how long you would survive.

sibeen said:

I have no idea where I read it, it was a long time ago, but basically the guts of the matter was that even if we gained immortality in our bodies, the maximum age would still be in the order of 400 years; except for some extreme outliers. Statistically, accidents and mother nature would put an upper bound on how long you would survive.

Still, 45 years of work and ~350 years of quiet retirement would be nice.

sibeen said:

I have no idea where I read it, it was a long time ago, but basically the guts of the matter was that even if we gained immortality in our bodies, the maximum age would still be in the order of 400 years; except for some extreme outliers. Statistically, accidents and mother nature would put an upper bound on how long you would survive.

400 years would give us plenty of time to tighten up the health & safety regulations.

Bubblecar said:

sibeen said:

I have no idea where I read it, it was a long time ago, but basically the guts of the matter was that even if we gained immortality in our bodies, the maximum age would still be in the order of 400 years; except for some extreme outliers. Statistically, accidents and mother nature would put an upper bound on how long you would survive.

400 years would give us plenty of time to tighten up the health & safety regulations.

I’m not sure volcanoes, earthquakes, tsunamis etc will follow the new guidelines.

sibeen said:

I’m not sure volcanoes, earthquakes, tsunamis etc will follow the new guidelines.

Solution: steer clear of volcanoes, earthquakes, tsunamis etc.

Bubblecar said:

sibeen said:

I’m not sure volcanoes, earthquakes, tsunamis etc will follow the new guidelines.

Solution: steer clear of volcanoes, earthquakes, tsunamis etc.

That will require that you do an in depth course on divining.

buffy said:

Why would you want to live forever?

to live many lifetimes in all kind of situations

sibeen said:

Bubblecar said:

sibeen said:

I have no idea where I read it, it was a long time ago, but basically the guts of the matter was that even if we gained immortality in our bodies, the maximum age would still be in the order of 400 years; except for some extreme outliers. Statistically, accidents and mother nature would put an upper bound on how long you would survive.

400 years would give us plenty of time to tighten up the health & safety regulations.

I’m not sure volcanoes, earthquakes, tsunamis etc will follow the new guidelines.

But at least they are exciting.

sibeen said:

Bubblecar said:

sibeen said:

I’m not sure volcanoes, earthquakes, tsunamis etc will follow the new guidelines.

Solution: steer clear of volcanoes, earthquakes, tsunamis etc.

That will require that you do an in depth course on divining.

Not an effing chance!

I made my statement in chat about that. I don’t want to get into a PF-related slanging match…

It might be what we need to make long term space travel viable. 200 years in coma on board a space ship, wake up on a new planet as young as the day you first boarded.

.. it is our glorious manifest destiny.

getting our blue arses of the fat orb?

f

JudgeMental said:

getting our blue arses of the fat orb?

Something like that, it’s been a while since I’ve read BC on the topic, I forget the minor details.

Michael V said:

sibeen said:

Bubblecar said:

Solution: steer clear of volcanoes, earthquakes, tsunamis etc.

That will require that you do an in depth course on divining.

Not an effing chance!

I made my statement in chat about that. I don’t want to get into a PF-related slanging match…

You, Sir, are a denier!

You’d probably scoff at my daughter’s turquoise dragon, It lives in the cubby house. Mind you, I’ve never been able to spot the sneaky bastard, but I’ve been told that it exists none the less.

party_pants said:

It might be what we need to make long term space travel viable. 200 years in coma on board a space ship, wake up on a new planet as young as the day you first boarded.

.. it is our glorious manifest destiny.

OK BC, but surely we could use the same technique without having to go galactic walkabout.

JudgeMental said:

f

getting four blue arses…?

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

It might be what we need to make long term space travel viable. 200 years in coma on board a space ship, wake up on a new planet as young as the day you first boarded.

.. it is our glorious manifest destiny.

OK BC, but surely we could use the same technique without having to go galactic walkabout.

Perhaps that is what might drive and fund the research.

that r was off of the of which should have read off.

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

It might be what we need to make long term space travel viable. 200 years in coma on board a space ship, wake up on a new planet as young as the day you first boarded.

.. it is our glorious manifest destiny.

OK BC, but surely we could use the same technique without having to go galactic walkabout.

Well, realistically, if you do mean immortal, then you are probably going to have to do something like that. Either that or change nuclear processes so the sun doesn’t burn and and die.

I wonder what would be your outlook on life at the age of 280.

Would you still listen to the latest in popular music? Would you care about fashion?

sibeen said:

Well, realistically, if you do mean immortal, then you are probably going to have to do something like that. Either that or change nuclear processes so the sun doesn’t burn and and die.

Those are trivial problems. The sun expands, we move further out….it shrinks, we move further in. The important question is: how do we extend human lifespans far beyond the brief peep-in we’re currently grudgingly allotted? In a cosmic context, human beings are very rare and infinitely creative devices, well worthy of a very long (or endless) interaction with the rest of what’s going on.

Well I am, anyway.

party_pants said:

I wonder what would be your outlook on life at the age of 280.

Would you still listen to the latest in popular music? Would you care about fashion?

I haven’t listened to popular music since my early teens, and I care nothing for fashions created for the masses.

sibeen said:

Bubblecar said:

party_pants said:

It might be what we need to make long term space travel viable. 200 years in coma on board a space ship, wake up on a new planet as young as the day you first boarded.

.. it is our glorious manifest destiny.

OK BC, but surely we could use the same technique without having to go galactic walkabout.

the sun will replaced by another star and Andromeda might well be steered clear of the milky way

Well, realistically, if you do mean immortal, then you are probably going to have to do something like that. Either that or change nuclear processes so the sun doesn’t burn and and die.

assuming we are immortal, we might well be all powerful within practical terms

buffy said:

Why would you want to live forever?

Why would you want to die?

sibeen said:

Michael V said:

sibeen said:

That will require that you do an in depth course on divining.

Not an effing chance!

I made my statement in chat about that. I don’t want to get into a PF-related slanging match…

You, Sir, are a denier!

You’d probably scoff at my daughter’s turquoise dragon, It lives in the cubby house. Mind you, I’ve never been able to spot the sneaky bastard, but I’ve been told that it exists none the less.

Yep. Yes I am. Drill a hole anywhere to 100 metres and you will get water. Or at least atht is my experience, and that of many others. Thousands of holes That I have logged or examined the logs of…

Michael V said:

Yep. Yes I am. Drill a hole anywhere to 100 metres and you will get water. Or at least atht is my experience, and that of many others. Thousands of holes That I have logged or examined the logs of…

Is it really asking too much to keep the dowsing out of this thread?

Thank you :)

Bubblecar said:

Michael V said:

Yep. Yes I am. Drill a hole anywhere to 100 metres and you will get water. Or at least atht is my experience, and that of many others. Thousands of holes That I have logged or examined the logs of…

Is it really asking too much to keep the dowsing out of this thread?

Thank you :)

I totally agrre, Bubbles.

It is now about turquoise dragons!

CrazyNeutrino said:

buffy said:

Why would you want to live forever?

Why would you want to die?

Because one is just sick of it all?

I for one, find difficulty raising enthusiasm.

Bubblecar said:

Michael V said:

Yep. Yes I am. Drill a hole anywhere to 100 metres and you will get water. Or at least atht is my experience, and that of many others. Thousands of holes That I have logged or examined the logs of…

Is it really asking too much to keep the dowsing out of this thread?

Thank you :)

Oh, sorry. I blame sibeen. He (sort of) brought it up. Well, maybe I did. Or maybe CN did. I don’t remember. I have such a stupidly vacant short term memory. Long term, well, I remembered telomeres, didn’t I?

Telomeres, solve that one. That’d be a significant part of the answer..

Michael V said:

Telomeres, solve that one. That’d be a significant part of the answer..

Yes, I think that’s the key. Mr Car needs to become a world expert in this area.

sibeen said:

I totally agrre, Bubbles.

It is now about turquoise dragons!

I don’t for one moment expect to live longer than the average human lifespan, and probably some years short of that.

But in this thread I’m inviting people to surprise me with totally unexpected ways in which 2014 technology might yet evolve to extend my enjoyment of this cosmos for a properly decent span of time.

And after all, time is supposed to be merely that which is measured by a clock. If clocks can keep time for centuries (with a few repairs), why are humans doomed to run down so quickly?

Michael V said:

Because one is just sick of it all?

I for one, find difficulty raising enthusiasm.

Never understood that attitude.

party_pants said:

Michael V said:

Telomeres, solve that one. That’d be a significant part of the answer..

Yes, I think that’s the key. Mr Car needs to become a world expert in this area.

Totally!

Bubblecar said:

Michael V said:

Because one is just sick of it all?

I for one, find difficulty raising enthusiasm.

Never understood that attitude.

I don’t either. Really.

I wish it were otherwise.

Michael V said:

Because one is just sick of it all?

I for one, find difficulty raising enthusiasm.

What if you do chuck a Dr Who and regenerate your body back to a 25 years old? Without affecting your mental ability .

Michael V said:

Bubblecar said:

Michael V said:

Because one is just sick of it all?

I for one, find difficulty raising enthusiasm.

Never understood that attitude.

I don’t either. Really.

I wish it were otherwise.

My sympathies.

On a couple of occasions I’ve welcomed an end to it all, but they were moments of extreme stress, cured by a few hours sleep :)

party_pants said:

Michael V said:

Because one is just sick of it all?

I for one, find difficulty raising enthusiasm.

What if you do chuck a Dr Who and regenerate your body back to a 25 years old? Without affecting your mental ability .

I’d be rooting everything that moved.

If it didn’t move I’d give it a little push :)

moments like this and i thank god i’m on the other side of a vast continent.

Michael V said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

buffy said:

Why would you want to live forever?

Why would you want to die?

Because one is just sick of it all?

I for one, find difficulty raising enthusiasm.

There are drugs for that now days…

ROFL.

Good one, Boris :)

sibeen said:

party_pants said:

Michael V said:

Because one is just sick of it all?

I for one, find difficulty raising enthusiasm.

What if you do chuck a Dr Who and regenerate your body back to a 25 years old? Without affecting your mental ability .

I’d be rooting everything that moved.

If it didn’t move I’d give it a little push :)

I didn’t mean that kind of enthusiasm…

sibeen said:

party_pants said:

Michael V said:

Because one is just sick of it all?

I for one, find difficulty raising enthusiasm.

What if you do chuck a Dr Who and regenerate your body back to a 25 years old? Without affecting your mental ability .

I’d be rooting everything that moved.

If it didn’t move I’d give it a little push :)

Can we make it a little earlier? at 25 I was married and had two small kids – not sure that would be the best time to go back to.

party_pants said:

Michael V said:

Because one is just sick of it all?

I for one, find difficulty raising enthusiasm.

What if you do chuck a Dr Who and regenerate your body back to a 25 years old? Without affecting your mental ability .

What if enthusiasm is chemically based and adjusting chemical levels in your body raised your enthusiasm back to 23 year old levels

Michael V said:

sibeen said:

Michael V said:

Not an effing chance!

I made my statement in chat about that. I don’t want to get into a PF-related slanging match…

You, Sir, are a denier!

You’d probably scoff at my daughter’s turquoise dragon, It lives in the cubby house. Mind you, I’ve never been able to spot the sneaky bastard, but I’ve been told that it exists none the less.

Yep. Yes I am. Drill a hole anywhere to 100 metres and you will get water. Or at least atht is my experience, and that of many others. Thousands of holes That I have logged or examined the logs of…

Busy boy, or should I say bullshit boy?

If you truly became immortal, then in time your species would evolve into something different as would most other living things, which would probably leave you vulnerable to the evolutionary reason why the others changed.

Become a JW. Wait til JC rocks up again and turns the Earth back into the paradise it was created to be. The dead shall rise and live forever in a world free of sin and disease. Lions will eat hay as they were created to do, and every day shall be sunny with just a light mist overnight to nourish the flora.

Divine Angel said:

Become a JW. Wait til JC rocks up again and turns the Earth back into the paradise it was created to be. The dead shall rise and live forever in a world free of sin and disease. Lions will eat hay as they were created to do, and every day shall be sunny with just a light mist overnight to nourish the flora.

You have been reading your watchtowers.

Bubblecar said:

sibeen said:

I totally agrre, Bubbles.

It is now about turquoise dragons!

I don’t for one moment expect to live longer than the average human lifespan, and probably some years short of that.

But in this thread I’m inviting people to surprise me with totally unexpected ways in which 2014 technology might yet evolve to extend my enjoyment of this cosmos for a properly decent span of time.

And after all, time is supposed to be merely that which is measured by a clock. If clocks can keep time for centuries (with a few repairs), why are humans doomed to run down so quickly?

forget the five fruits and veg.. make it ten.

Of course immortality would mean no more children. The planet can only sustain a certain number. Imagine a world without the variety.

buffy said:

Of course immortality would mean no more children.

Yay

buffy said:

Of course immortality would mean no more children. The planet can only sustain a certain number. Imagine a world without the variety.

no spice of life?

Children are nice.

dv said:

Children are nice.

Not in large quantities in one place at one time.

Or maybe you are going to reverse the telomeres on some people and they get to be perpetual children. Imagine being a perpetual teenager…..

Because society needs the variety of different levels of knowledge.

dv said:

Children are nice.

Yeh depends on how you season them

So, Droppy….do you want to be forever 25?

dv said:

Children are nice.

Grandchildren are better.

buffy said:

So, Droppy….do you want to be forever 25?

The body of 25 year old and the wisdom of a 45 year old ;)

Dropbear said:

buffy said:

So, Droppy….do you want to be forever 25?

The body of 25 year old and the wisdom of a 45 year old ;)

I’ll give you the wisdom bit is great. But I think the body was at its best around 32 actually. Fully formed and fit.

Dunno about yours.

Dropbear said:

buffy said:

So, Droppy….do you want to be forever 25?

The body of 25 year old and the wisdom of a 45 year old ;)

Droppy just likes sex with 25 year olds…

I didn’t love being 25. 30 was much betterer.

Divine Angel said:

I didn’t love being 25. 30 was much betterer.

I wouldn’t go backwards for anyone.

buffy said:

Dropbear said:

buffy said:

So, Droppy….do you want to be forever 25?

The body of 25 year old and the wisdom of a 45 year old ;)

I’ll give you the wisdom bit is great. But I think the body was at its best around 32 actually. Fully formed and fit.

Dunno about yours.

Mine is still on the improve

stumpy_seahorse said:

Dropbear said:

buffy said:

So, Droppy….do you want to be forever 25?

The body of 25 year old and the wisdom of a 45 year old ;)

Droppy just likes sex with 25 year olds…

Yeh sorry about that

roughbarked said:

Divine Angel said:

I didn’t love being 25. 30 was much betterer.

I wouldn’t go backwards for anyone.

That’s what she said

Wasn’t it Einstein that said something along the lines of “if you haven’t got there by 25 it is all downhill from there” ?

roughbarked said:

Wasn’t it Einstein that said something along the lines of “if you haven’t got there by 25 it is all downhill from there” ?

It’s all downhill for various body parts.

Divine Angel said:

roughbarked said:

Wasn’t it Einstein that said something along the lines of “if you haven’t got there by 25 it is all downhill from there” ?

It’s all downhill for various body parts.

He was talking about the brain power.

For most people, the brain is a body part.

Bubblecar said:

Say I was a person alive in 2014, who wanted to live forever.

How would I go about achieving this?

There would be no course of action that would lead to you living forever.

Divine Angel said:

For most people, the brain is a body part.

yes but the temporary files…

dv said:

Bubblecar said:

Say I was a person alive in 2014, who wanted to live forever.

How would I go about achieving this?

There would be no course of action that would lead to you living forever.

It is all going arse up sooner or later

buffy said:

So, Droppy….do you want to be forever 25?

I see him more as a Portmans type.

PermeateFree said:

Michael V said:

sibeen said:

You, Sir, are a denier!

You’d probably scoff at my daughter’s turquoise dragon, It lives in the cubby house. Mind you, I’ve never been able to spot the sneaky bastard, but I’ve been told that it exists none the less.

Yep. Yes I am. Drill a hole anywhere to 100 metres and you will get water. Or at least atht is my experience, and that of many others. Thousands of holes That I have logged or examined the logs of…

Busy boy, or should I say bullshit boy?

a deep bore can go to 200 meters

around 16000 rebates have been issued for bores in perth

80 percent of water use comes from underground water

Can domestic bores help save our drinking water?
http://www.csiro.au/news/newsletters/0612_water/story7.htm

roughbarked said:

Wasn’t it Einstein that said something along the lines of “if you haven’t got there by 25 it is all downhill from there” ?

You’re right.

It wasn’t.

(Suppose it could have been, but it seems unlikely)

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

Wasn’t it Einstein that said something along the lines of “if you haven’t got there by 25 it is all downhill from there” ?

You’re right.

It wasn’t.

(Suppose it could have been, but it seems unlikely)

Does the quote imply that if you have got it together then it is not downhill from there?

Technically Einstein’s best year was when he was 26 years old but I suppose much of the prep had been done before his 25th birthday.

dv said:

Does the quote imply that if you have got it together then it is not downhill from there?

Technically Einstein’s best year was when he was 26 years old but I suppose much of the prep had been done before his 25th birthday.

but it’s all relative.

dv said:

Does the quote imply that if you have got it together then it is not downhill from there?

Technically Einstein’s best year was when he was 26 years old but I suppose much of the prep had been done before his 25th birthday.

I forget the exact phrase so it is difficult to search. However, this sounds similar: “ From the age of five, creative thinking drops off ever more precipitously until by the age of twenty-five only 2% of people can “think outside the box”.”

I know Einstein was very interested in creativity among other things.

“The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing. One cannot help but be in awe when he contemplates the mysteries of eternity, of life, of the marvellous structure of reality. It is enough if one tries merely to comprehend a little of this mystery every day. Never lose a holy curiosity.

Albert Einstein”

I know quite certainly that I myself have no special talent; curiosity, obsession and dogged endurance, combined with self- criticism, have brought me to my ideas.

Albert Einstein

roughbarked said:

I know quite certainly that I myself have no special talent; curiosity, obsession and dogged endurance, combined with self- criticism, have brought me to my ideas.

Albert Einstein

It should be pointed out that Einstein was a physicist.

He was in no way an expert on the human mind or brain.

dv said:

It should be pointed out that Einstein was a physicist.

He was in no way an expert on the human mind or brain.

Didn’t suggest that at all.

roughbarked said:

dv said:

It should be pointed out that Einstein was a physicist.

He was in no way an expert on the human mind or brain.

Didn’t suggest that at all.

IKR

He said:
“I’m as dope as two rappers, you better be scared
Cause that means Albert E. equals MC squared.”

dv said:

He said:
“I’m as dope as two rappers, you better be scared
Cause that means Albert E. equals MC squared.”

stumpy_seahorse said:

dv said:

He said:
“I’m as dope as two rappers, you better be scared
Cause that means Albert E. equals MC squared.”

OMG I’d forgotten all about that movie. Good ol’ Yahoo Serious.

Divine Angel said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

dv said:

He said:
“I’m as dope as two rappers, you better be scared
Cause that means Albert E. equals MC squared.”

OMG I’d forgotten all about that movie. Good ol’ Yahoo Serious.

:P
classic

“I know those words, but that sign makes no sense”

dv said:

Bubblecar said:

Say I was a person alive in 2014, who wanted to live forever.

How would I go about achieving this?

There would be no course of action that would lead to you living forever.

NWAALT.

And not in a universe like this

What about if we substitute “200 years” for “for ever”?

that is more inline with my non-infinite meaning of for ever.

The Rev Dodgson said:

What about if we substitute “200 years” for “for ever”?

Okay, there’s still no clear course of action that a person today can take that will lead them to live to 200 years, or even have a high probability of that happening, but let’s go all Drake on it and break it down:

F = P * R * L * A

The probability F that you will live to 200 is:
P the probability that there is any fucken possible way that humans can be engineered to live to 200
times R the probability that the medical revolution required for such a revolution occurs
times L the probability that you live long enough to see that revolution occur
times A the probability that you have the means to access that technology

I don’t know P. You don’t know P. You can’t influence it. It’s physics. Everything’s physics.

You can possibly have some influence on R, but not much. You can campaign to make research into genetic engineering for longevity a major focus of the governments of the world. You can study it yourself and work tirelessly. Probably the influence that one individual can have on R is not great but it is not zero.

Probably your best bet is to work on L and A.

For L: don’t smoke. Don’t drive alcohol or take recreational drugs in excess. Don’t do dangerous things. Don’t be obese. Get regular exercise.
For A: acquire and invest money and influence to improve your odds of getting access to the technology if and when it arrives.

dv said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

What about if we substitute “200 years” for “for ever”?

Okay, there’s still no clear course of action that a person today can take that will lead them to live to 200 years, or even have a high probability of that happening, but let’s go all Drake on it and break it down:

F = P * R * L * A

The probability F that you will live to 200 is:
P the probability that there is any fucken possible way that humans can be engineered to live to 200
times R the probability that the medical revolution required for such a revolution occurs
times L the probability that you live long enough to see that revolution occur
times A the probability that you have the means to access that technology

I don’t know P. You don’t know P. You can’t influence it. It’s physics. Everything’s physics.

You can possibly have some influence on R, but not much. You can campaign to make research into genetic engineering for longevity a major focus of the governments of the world. You can study it yourself and work tirelessly. Probably the influence that one individual can have on R is not great but it is not zero.

Probably your best bet is to work on L and A.

For L: don’t smoke. Don’t drive alcohol or take recreational drugs in excess. Don’t do dangerous things. Don’t be obese. Get regular exercise.
For A: acquire and invest money and influence to improve your odds of getting access to the technology if and when it arrives.

There is also the desire to live so long. As we age lots of things don’t work so well to the point where many people would die rather than go on living.

The hardest part in extending our lifespans may be our brains, can our brains function for hundreds of years at a reasonable functional level and retain the ability to learn new tasks and maintain memories etc. If I remember correctly in the Kim Stanley Robinson Mars novels people lived for many hundreds of years but their brains were unable to retain older memories older than 100 years +/- so that life and everything about it was forgotten.

Cymek said:

The hardest part in extending our lifespans may be our brains, can our brains function for hundreds of years at a reasonable functional level and retain the ability to learn new tasks and maintain memories etc. If I remember correctly in the Kim Stanley Robinson Mars novels people lived for many hundreds of years but their brains were unable to retain older memories older than 100 years +/- so that life and everything about it was forgotten.

everyone would still remember episodes of “friends” though

wookiemeister said:

Cymek said:

The hardest part in extending our lifespans may be our brains, can our brains function for hundreds of years at a reasonable functional level and retain the ability to learn new tasks and maintain memories etc. If I remember correctly in the Kim Stanley Robinson Mars novels people lived for many hundreds of years but their brains were unable to retain older memories older than 100 years +/- so that life and everything about it was forgotten.

everyone would still remember episodes of “friends” though

Hopefully not

The one where Joey lives to 200

dv said:

The one where Joey lives to 200

the one where strangles an aspiring actress

Cymek said:

wookiemeister said:

Cymek said:

The hardest part in extending our lifespans may be our brains, can our brains function for hundreds of years at a reasonable functional level and retain the ability to learn new tasks and maintain memories etc. If I remember correctly in the Kim Stanley Robinson Mars novels people lived for many hundreds of years but their brains were unable to retain older memories older than 100 years +/- so that life and everything about it was forgotten.

everyone would still remember episodes of “friends” though

Hopefully not

I have never seen “friends” so does that mean I will remember nothing or can I substitute Fonzie jumping the shark?

breed

Senile systemic amyloidosis” was determined to be the primary cause of death for 70% of supercentenarians (people over 110) who have been autopsied.

Says phil

Tamb said:

Cymek said:

wookiemeister said:

everyone would still remember episodes of “friends” though

Hopefully not

I have never seen “friends” so does that mean I will remember nothing or can I substitute Fonzie jumping the shark?

remember them however you need to in any way that makes you feel worthy and cherished

I fully expect to be posting here in a thousand years

dv said:

Senile systemic amyloidosis” was determined to be the primary cause of death for 70% of supercentenarians (people over 110) who have been autopsied.

Says phil

you turn into pineapple jelly?

Brood-retting was dismissed as quackery over a hundred years ago sir.

wookiemeister said:

dv said:

Senile systemic amyloidosis” was determined to be the primary cause of death for 70% of supercentenarians (people over 110) who have been autopsied.

Says phil

you turn into pineapple jelly?

soylent yellow?

CrazyNeutrino said:

Bubblecar said:

Say I was a person alive in 2014, who wanted to live forever.

How would I go about achieving this?

I would clone myself, then when the brain size of the copy is right

switch brains

stuff the ethics, the clone belongs to you, its your dna

I can see religious people running around screaming waving their arms

ignore them

its not their body

In the Peter F Hamilton books this is similar to what they did, they had all the DNA required to grow a clone body digitally stored and every person had a brain implant chip that stored everything that person remembered, felt,etc. They could then go to a storage bank and update the stored copy on a regular basis in case the brain implant chip was damaged. If they were seriously injured and died the brain implant was removed a clone body grown to the age of about 25 and all information transferred into the clone. I think the entire process took about 18 months

wookiemeister said:

everyone would still remember episodes of “friends” though

I don’t remember any because I’ve never watched it.

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

everyone would still remember episodes of “friends” though

I don’t remember any because I’ve never watched it.

that’s what they all say

wookiemeister said:

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

everyone would still remember episodes of “friends” though

I don’t remember any because I’ve never watched it.

that’s what they all say

it doesn’t matter to me.

Just reading the latest NS.

They have an article on 10 things that changed the world (which makes no mention of roads and bridges, or any form of transport, but at least includes sewerage systems), and 10 things that “will” change the world in the future.

The first one of those is delayed ageing.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Just reading the latest NS.

They have an article on 10 things that changed the world (which makes no mention of roads and bridges, or any form of transport, but at least includes sewerage systems), and 10 things that “will” change the world in the future.

The first one of those is delayed ageing.

I wonder if death is essential for our planet and economies to survive.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Just reading the latest NS.

They have an article on 10 things that changed the world (which makes no mention of roads and bridges, or any form of transport, but at least includes sewerage systems), and 10 things that “will” change the world in the future.

The first one of those is delayed ageing.

Just flicked through the 10 changed things. Can’t say I agree with all of them.

Cymek said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Just reading the latest NS.

They have an article on 10 things that changed the world (which makes no mention of roads and bridges, or any form of transport, but at least includes sewerage systems), and 10 things that “will” change the world in the future.

The first one of those is delayed ageing.

I wonder if death is essential for our planet and economies to survive.

I don’t think there’s any need to wonder. Even the fundies know that God would have made them immortal already if it were not.

Bowerick Wowbagger the Infinitely Prolonged, a character from Douglas Adams’ “Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy” series of books, became immortal after an accident with a few rubber bands and a particle accelerator. After years of total boredom, or possibly centuries, he decided to insult everyone in the entire universe…in alphabetical order.

He appeared at prehistoric Earth to insult Arthur Dent, saying “You’re a jerk, a complete kneebiter” (“asshole” in another version of the book). He later appeared at Lords Cricket Ground to insult the dying Arthur, calling him a “no-good dumbo nothing.” He also showed up on Krikkit intending to insult him, but he consulted his clipboard and asked, “Hey, haven’t I done you before?”

In the sixth book, Wowbagger insulted gods to get them to kill him. He partially succeeded when Thor hit him so hard that he lost his immortality. After that, he lived happily ever after (well, not quite ever after) with Trillian.

In the radio show, he finally insulted the Great Prophet Zarquon, who then killed him, ending Wowbagger’s eternal suffering.

“In the sixth book,”

Doesn’t count.

sibeen said:

party_pants said:

Michael V said:

Because one is just sick of it all?

I for one, find difficulty raising enthusiasm.

What if you do chuck a Dr Who and regenerate your body back to a 25 years old? Without affecting your mental ability .

I’d be rooting everything that moved.

If it didn’t move I’d give it a little push :)

You might learn to cook lamb chops properly

Neophyte said:

sibeen said:

party_pants said:

What if you do chuck a Dr Who and regenerate your body back to a 25 years old? Without affecting your mental ability .

I’d be rooting everything that moved.

If it didn’t move I’d give it a little push :)

You might learn to cook lamb chops properly

I’ll have you know that the dish turned out very nice indeed. I even had leftovers for lunch today.

I’ll have you know that the dish turned out very nice indeed. I even had leftovers for lunch today.
——
It’s when you don’t have leftovers for lunch that you know the dish turned out very nice indeed.