Date: 14/11/2014 21:13:21
From: JudgeMental
ID: 628004
Subject: RIP NBN
shakes fist
Date: 16/12/2015 16:32:49
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 814700
Subject: re: RIP NBN
shakes fist
yes. bastards!
Worst. Government. Ever.
furious said:
Worst. Government. Ever.
nothing but bush
Don’t look at me? I didn’t vote for them!
from briefly installing the NBN it had a few fatal flaws
1 : entering peoples houses – BAD , time consuming , they weren’t always there (around 30 percent of the time), a huge system of paperwork and workers to arrange times and dates of install
2 time consuming. you were often drilling into asbestos and god knows what whilst installing, using shitty little fastnings to secure what appeared to be some fairly fragile cable around the external and internal parts of the house
3: drilling more stuff. in queenslanders I’d need to very , very , very carefully use an ultra long drill bit to drill down through the skirting board and possibly through a structural beam and floorboard to allow a cable from underneath the house into the house
4 crawling around crappy places
5 workers very often took short cuts because it was time consuming, one fellah was just using plain old scissors to cut the fibre optic cable and installing it anywhere it was easier to install – like next to the kitchen sink
6 the nodes in the street are made from a flimsy fibre glass, if you gave it a good kick I reckon you could knock out an entire area
7 three pieces inside the house, the face plate for entry, the brains, the power board and battery
all three require three sets of drilling/ positioning/ screwing. the battery only lasts two hours so it means when power goes out that’s the end of the NBN
8 entering roof spaces to work ALONE, its too expensive for two people to install the NBN so most people work alone, in some cases the owner goes out so if something happens no one knows till the owner gets back
but what would I know, I only installed it and could see all of the problems and design glitches 9a heavy battery pack hanging on fragile and thin gyprock walls for example)
the only realistic way to install a new comms system is to get developers to install it at their own expense
supply older areas with a WIFI system where the brain is connected to the NBN
its not feasible to pay for an entire comms network other wise
Worst Communications Minister Ever
CrazyNeutrino said:
Worst Communications Minister Ever
Cough Conroy Cough
Why cant we have a decent Communications Minister for a change who knows what he/she is doing, in relation to the present and future
Labor will have to clean up the mess and finish the job properly
CrazyNeutrino said:
Labor will have to clean up the mess and finish the job properly
The Coalition’s first election promise was broken almost a year ago, when NBN Co indicated it could not provide 25Mbps download speeds to all premises by 2016.
Worst. Government. Ever.
tauto said:
The Coalition’s first election promise was broken almost a year ago, when NBN Co indicated it could not provide 25Mbps download speeds to all premises by 2016.
Happily when labor is in they can restore it to all its promised glory.
furious said:
Worst. Government. Ever.
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Not for miners, they have put the coal into Coalition
How’s that working out for the 8000?
if you read the first post you’ll see that probably wont be possible. the nbn is rooted for decades. that is why the thread is titled RIP NBN
AwesomeO said:
tauto said:
The Coalition’s first election promise was broken almost a year ago, when NBN Co indicated it could not provide 25Mbps download speeds to all premises by 2016.Happily when labor is in they can restore it to all its promised glory.
I friggin hope so.
FTTN is a lost opportunity IMO… Despite FTTP being more expensive, the future benefits of high bandwidth infrastructure delivered to people’s homes and businesses are immense. It’s short sightedness to the n’th degree and will limit productivity growth (which is what this government at least) has been preaching since day one – open for business my arse.
JudgeMental said:
if you read the first post you’ll see that probably wont be possible. the nbn is rooted for decades. that is why the thread is titled RIP NBN
Not being an expert, what has been rooted that it cannot be enacted in its former promised glory?
read the first post.
It’s short sightedness to the n’th degree and will limit productivity growth (which is what this government at least) has been preaching since day one – open for business my arse.
totally agree. just because of ideology.
party_pants said:
AwesomeO said:
tauto said:
The Coalition’s first election promise was broken almost a year ago, when NBN Co indicated it could not provide 25Mbps download speeds to all premises by 2016.Happily when labor is in they can restore it to all its promised glory.
I friggin hope so.
it won’t happen… what we’ll get now is a privatised fibre-from-the-node-to-premisis model.
JudgeMental said:
read the first post.
I have, nothing has been ripped up, nothing destroyed, the original back of the napkin can still happen if the will exists.
diddly-squat said:
party_pants said:
AwesomeO said:Happily when labor is in they can restore it to all its promised glory.
I friggin hope so.
it won’t happen… what we’ll get now is a privatised fibre-from-the-node-to-premisis model.
We can round then up and shoot them, and then start again.
AwesomeO said:
tauto said:
The Coalition’s first election promise was broken almost a year ago, when NBN Co indicated it could not provide 25Mbps download speeds to all premises by 2016.Happily when labor is in they can restore it to all its promised glory.
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Yes. All it takes is to shift the tax burden more to the rich to pay for it.
JudgeMental said:
It’s short sightedness to the n’th degree and will limit productivity growth (which is what this government at least) has been preaching since day one – open for business my arse.totally agree. just because of ideology.
it’s not ideology that was driving the decision… it’s simply about delivering a ‘lower cost’ model. If ideology were at the heart of the decision the govt would scrap the program all together and opt for a fully privatized model.
it would be too expensive, and i can hear the howls from the right already, to pay out contracts, buy back the copper, HFC etc etc.
party_pants said:
diddly-squat said:
party_pants said:I friggin hope so.
it won’t happen… what we’ll get now is a privatised fibre-from-the-node-to-premisis model.
We can round then up and shoot them, and then start again.
well no… it’s too late now… The ALP will not change the roll out even if they win government. Once you start building the highway it’s very difficult to change the off-ramps.
ideology of Labor = Bad.
JudgeMental said:
read the first post.
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Why;)
tauto said:
AwesomeO said:
tauto said:
The Coalition’s first election promise was broken almost a year ago, when NBN Co indicated it could not provide 25Mbps download speeds to all premises by 2016.Happily when labor is in they can restore it to all its promised glory.
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Yes. All it takes is to shift the tax burden more to the rich to pay for it.
by world standards all Australians are rich and more importantly I think most Australians would not identify as ‘rich’… what we need is change in way tax is collected – that is, we need to close loopholes (like superannuation offsets, negative gearing and corporate tax minimisation) and look to a more progressive company tax system.
diddly-squat said:
party_pants said:
diddly-squat said:it won’t happen… what we’ll get now is a privatised fibre-from-the-node-to-premisis model.
We can round then up and shoot them, and then start again.
well no… it’s too late now… The ALP will not change the roll out even if they win government. Once you start building the highway it’s very difficult to change the off-ramps.
ah well, time to add Turnbull to the list.
party_pants said:
diddly-squat said:
party_pants said:We can round then up and shoot them, and then start again.
well no… it’s too late now… The ALP will not change the roll out even if they win government. Once you start building the highway it’s very difficult to change the off-ramps.
ah well, time to add Turnbull to the list.
Turnbull’s not an idiot; he knows that FTTP is a good idea, he’s just not allowed to say so.
yes, turnbull knows. which i guess is worse.
diddly-squat said:
party_pants said:
diddly-squat said:well no… it’s too late now… The ALP will not change the roll out even if they win government. Once you start building the highway it’s very difficult to change the off-ramps.
ah well, time to add Turnbull to the list.
Turnbull’s not an idiot; he knows that FTTP is a good idea, he’s just not allowed to say so.
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Well Turnbull told Tony he was in a “funk” when not including him in his new ministery.
Who would have guessed that Tony would be Pm
tauto said:
diddly-squat said:
party_pants said:ah well, time to add Turnbull to the list.
Turnbull’s not an idiot; he knows that FTTP is a good idea, he’s just not allowed to say so.
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Well Turnbull told Tony he was in a “funk” when not including him in his new ministery.
Who would have guessed that Tony would be Pm
Tony. Who else?
> Happily when labor is in they can restore it to all its promised glory.
Only if it’s the correct Labor, unfortunately. Gillard was a disaster.
By the way, the Melbourne General Cemetery keeps a Prime Minister’s Wall giving PM dates of birth, government and death back to the year dot. According to the wall, Gillard is still PM.
Stubborn Wall
mollwollfumble said:
> Happily when labor is in they can restore it to all its promised glory.Only if it’s the correct Labor, unfortunately. Gillard was a disaster.
Why do you say that?
The Rev Dodgson said:
mollwollfumble said:
> Happily when labor is in they can restore it to all its promised glory.Only if it’s the correct Labor, unfortunately. Gillard was a disaster.
Why do you say that?
There will be no carbon tax under my government
Means any ALP criticism over Abbotts broken promises (oh which there are many) is just hypocritical hot air.
Dropbear said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
mollwollfumble said:
> Happily when labor is in they can restore it to all its promised glory.Only if it’s the correct Labor, unfortunately. Gillard was a disaster.
Why do you say that?
There will be no carbon tax under my government
Means any ALP criticism over Abbotts broken promises (oh which there are many) is just hypocritical hot air.
That’s Abbott/Murdoch bull shit. All politicians do stuff they say they wouldn’t, and don’t do stuff they said they would. It’s what they actually do that is important, and on that basis Gillard did OK.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Dropbear said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Why do you say that?
There will be no carbon tax under my government
Means any ALP criticism over Abbotts broken promises (oh which there are many) is just hypocritical hot air.
That’s Abbott/Murdoch bull shit. All politicians do stuff they say they wouldn’t, and don’t do stuff they said they would. It’s what they actually do that is important, and on that basis Gillard did OK.
Well
1. She introduced a carbon tax she said she would never do.
This created scenes in federal parliament of wild cheers and kissing and back slapping never seen before.
Only the Labor party can celebrate a broken promise like that.
2. Had no idea what was happening to the economy and didn’t much care, she was basically just a feminist activist who saw misogyny everywhere.
3.Drowned thousands of asylum seekers with batshit crazy policies introduced to appease the Greens.
Peak Warming Man said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Dropbear said:There will be no carbon tax under my government
Means any ALP criticism over Abbotts broken promises (oh which there are many) is just hypocritical hot air.
That’s Abbott/Murdoch bull shit. All politicians do stuff they say they wouldn’t, and don’t do stuff they said they would. It’s what they actually do that is important, and on that basis Gillard did OK.
Well
1. She introduced a carbon tax she said she would never do.
This created scenes in federal parliament of wild cheers and kissing and back slapping never seen before.
Only the Labor party can celebrate a broken promise like that.
2. Had no idea what was happening to the economy and didn’t much care, she was basically just a feminist activist who saw misogyny everywhere.
3.Drowned thousands of asylum seekers with batshit crazy policies introduced to appease the Greens.
Watch out PWM, some people may take your irony for what you really think :)
Peak Warming Man said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Dropbear said:There will be no carbon tax under my government
Means any ALP criticism over Abbotts broken promises (oh which there are many) is just hypocritical hot air.
That’s Abbott/Murdoch bull shit. All politicians do stuff they say they wouldn’t, and don’t do stuff they said they would. It’s what they actually do that is important, and on that basis Gillard did OK.
Well
1. She introduced a carbon tax she said she would never do.
This created scenes in federal parliament of wild cheers and kissing and back slapping never seen before.
Only the Labor party can celebrate a broken promise like that.
2. Had no idea what was happening to the economy and didn’t much care, she was basically just a feminist activist who saw misogyny everywhere.
3.Drowned thousands of asylum seekers with batshit crazy policies introduced to appease the Greens.
And he seemed such a nice man.
‘The endgame is fibre,’ says Australia’s shadow communications minister, Jason Clare
I was watching some doco about Hurricane Sandy that hit New York last year and caused major flooding. In one area of Manhattan sea water got into the telephone exchange and damaged a whole lot of copper wires. The phone company responded by accelerating the switch to fibre. They replaced the whole copper system with fibre in just 6 months. Mounting feelings of jealousy.
party_pants said:
I was watching some doco about Hurricane Sandy that hit New York last year and caused major flooding. In one area of Manhattan sea water got into the telephone exchange and damaged a whole lot of copper wires. The phone company responded by accelerating the switch to fibre. They replaced the whole copper system with fibre in just 6 months. Mounting feelings of jealousy.
There was a big sandwich sign on a truck last weekend, saying something about NBN, contact your provider.I was in traffic at 80k so I couldn’t read it properly.
i realise that where i live i wont get fibre anytime soon if ever. though the road i live on would have about 30-40 homes. i think all would connect if fibre was installed. hopefully the wireless will improve with more consistent faster speeds.
4.39Mbps line speed atm, which isn’t too bad.
You’ve got to laugh
the NBN should only have been installed in new homes by the developers – not the tax payer
even in new homes the install was shit
the problem was the builders should have been made to run the cable through the conduit as it was installed not by some poor bugger later on, on most occasions any kind of “ snake “ was unable to make its way through most conduit already laid
the biggest problem with the NBN was that it was n’t organised by people who did it regularly , it was the managers that came up with all of the unworkable aspects of it
on my first outing with the apprentice that had been doing them for a month , we installed the box into the laundry cupboard – apparently that’s what they had been doing elsewhere
I then realised that this wax a very stupid place to install but just couldn’t be arsed arguing
one bugger was installing a meter from the kitchen sink using scissors to cut the fibre optic
removing the need for people to enter the premises will be the greatest time saver
you could probably just run data through the power lines
by concentrating your forces of power and comms, it becomes easier to deliver both
a transformer feeding power would also act as a stop for data signals back feeding onto the 11kv and feeding onto other customers lines , you’d have a bleed on the 11 kv for just such signals
the 415 side would feed data and the black box powered by 415
you’d use fibre optic to carry data beyond 415v
anyway just crazy ideas that are practical and cost effective
you’d use fibre optic to carry data beyond 415v
so you’d run a high speed fibre optic from a slow cable? why?
wookiemeister said:
anyway just crazy ideas that are practical and cost effective
raises eyebrow
For once the main problem was not practical but political* and legal.
*political – in the sense it involves public policy decided on matters of principle.
Boris said:
you’d use fibre optic to carry data beyond 415vso you’d run a high speed fibre optic from a slow cable? why?
the lead acid battery is pointless you get 2 hours and then that’s it
wookiemeister said:
Boris said:
you’d use fibre optic to carry data beyond 415vso you’d run a high speed fibre optic from a slow cable? why?
because its not viable to spend 93 billion dollars on stuff that as far as I could see was just Chinese junk that will not last and wasn’t being installed properly at any levelthe lead acid battery is pointless you get 2 hours and then that’s it
Like
5 hrs.
also that didn’t really answer why you would connect a slow cable internet to a fast fibre internet. there would be no point. it would be like a reverse FTTN set-up. which even done the right way is crap.
Boris said:
5 hrs.also that didn’t really answer why you would connect a slow cable internet to a fast fibre internet. there would be no point. it would be like a reverse FTTN set-up. which even done the right way is crap.
but it would be even more expensive because it would be a waste. fibre is faster than any cable also it has a higher bandwidth. so it would be stupid to feed fibre with a cable.
bump.
Are you telling me that the visionary Howard administration is the reason we are soooo slooooow?
ChrispenEvan said:
Poor NBN FTTN/B design may lead to decades of congestion
It was deliberately designeed and done that way to cost more money.
http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/security-it/telcos-could-face-huawei-ban-malcolm-turnbull-confirms-20150727-gijwiy.html
given the general reliability of chinese electronics – how long will the current equipment being installed now actually last and who will cover the cost?
then you’ve got millions of batteries that will need to be thrown away every few years – more loss, more expense
the only ones laughing will be the government in GST revenue and the makers of the equipment
wookiemeister said:
then you’ve got millions of batteries that will need to be thrown away every few years – more loss, more expensethe only ones laughing will be the government in GST revenue and the makers of the equipment
Yes, some tin cans and rope would have sufficed and been much more efficient.
Supposedly once its installed in your suburb you have to subscribe to it as your current method of getting the internet will be shut down
You Will be Assimilated. Resistance is Futile.
if they used fibre resistance would be negligible.
poikilotherm said:
wookiemeister said:
then you’ve got millions of batteries that will need to be thrown away every few years – more loss, more expensethe only ones laughing will be the government in GST revenue and the makers of the equipment
Yes, some tin cans and rope would have sufficed and been much more efficient.
Boris said:
http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/security-it/telcos-could-face-huawei-ban-malcolm-turnbull-confirms-20150727-gijwiy.html
This has very little to do with the NBN. The decision to exclude Huwei from being an NBN supplier was made a few years ago.
sibeen said:
Boris said:
http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/security-it/telcos-could-face-huawei-ban-malcolm-turnbull-confirms-20150727-gijwiy.html
This has very little to do with the NBN. The decision to exclude Huwei from being an NBN supplier was made a few years ago.
Nothin’ suss about a state owned telco…
yeah. i had heard about huawei a while ago. just put it here cos it’s internet related.
Telcos love Huawei because they are dirt cheap. Other suppliers, Erricson, Alcatel etc, hate them with a passion as they have a tendency to reverse engineer cough anything that these suppliers produce.
sibeen said:
Telcos love Huawei because they are dirt cheap. Other suppliers, Erricson, Alcatel etc, hate them with a passion as they have a tendency to reverse engineer cough anything that these suppliers produce.
Always thought the old man was a bit paranoid, but when meeting customers from certain countries, he’d ensure the meeting was in another city to their factory to avoid any potential reverse engineering of their processes (mining bits n pieces).
http://www.news.com.au/technology/presto-says-australias-internet-speeds-too-slow-for-4k-content-and-blames-new-nbn/story-e6frfrnr-1227506224160
JudgeMental said:
http://www.news.com.au/technology/presto-says-australias-internet-speeds-too-slow-for-4k-content-and-blames-new-nbn/story-e6frfrnr-1227506224160
>>Does anybody remember Nick?
Yes, unfortunately.
JudgeMental said:
http://www.news.com.au/technology/presto-says-australias-internet-speeds-too-slow-for-4k-content-and-blames-new-nbn/story-e6frfrnr-1227506224160
I already knew that, and it’s a damn shame. But, ah well.
JudgeMental said:
http://www.news.com.au/technology/presto-says-australias-internet-speeds-too-slow-for-4k-content-and-blames-new-nbn/story-e6frfrnr-1227506224160
I already knew that, and it’s a damn shame. But, ah well.
roughbarked said:
JudgeMental said:
http://www.news.com.au/technology/presto-says-australias-internet-speeds-too-slow-for-4k-content-and-blames-new-nbn/story-e6frfrnr-1227506224160
Does anybody remember Nick? He did try to move the SSSF forum..
JudgeMental said:
http://www.news.com.au/technology/presto-says-australias-internet-speeds-too-slow-for-4k-content-and-blames-new-nbn/story-e6frfrnr-1227506224160
I can live without 4k
party_pants said:
JudgeMental said:
http://www.news.com.au/technology/presto-says-australias-internet-speeds-too-slow-for-4k-content-and-blames-new-nbn/story-e6frfrnr-1227506224160
I already knew that, and it’s a damn shame. But, ah well.
It is typical for Aussies. She’ll be right mate. Doesn’t matter if there is such a big hole in the place that we are hard put counting how many SydHarbs to fill it.
I blame my dodgy wireless connection for the double-post.
Ian said:
JudgeMental said:
http://www.news.com.au/technology/presto-says-australias-internet-speeds-too-slow-for-4k-content-and-blames-new-nbn/story-e6frfrnr-1227506224160
I can live without 4k
Live without, all depends on usage.
jjjust moi said:
roughbarked said:
JudgeMental said:
http://www.news.com.au/technology/presto-says-australias-internet-speeds-too-slow-for-4k-content-and-blames-new-nbn/story-e6frfrnr-1227506224160
Does anybody remember Nick? He did try to move the SSSF forum..
Nick was a liar.
I have no opinion on that. I don’t know the man. I only know that he and Malcom Turnbull came to words.
party_pants said:
I blame my dodgy wireless connection for the double-post.
Appropriate place for it. er: threadwise. ;)
party_pants said:
JudgeMental said:
http://www.news.com.au/technology/presto-says-australias-internet-speeds-too-slow-for-4k-content-and-blames-new-nbn/story-e6frfrnr-1227506224160
I already knew that, and it’s a damn shame. But, ah well.
BLINK
cough
So if the original plan was left in place then how many people outside of Scotsdale, Tasmania will have benifited from this 4k service.
What utter tosh.
everybody that got fttp i guess.
party_pants said:
I blame my dodgy wireless connection for the double-post.
Wireless is all I’ve been using here..
Although, I can get on wireless NBN if I get a really big stick and bludge some gear of the slack tech…
Ian said:
party_pants said:
I blame my dodgy wireless connection for the double-post.
Wireless is all I’ve been using here..
Although, I can get on wireless NBN if I get a really big stick and bludge some gear of the slack tech…
My wireless is weird. Yes I ca download in minutes what was never possible in years of trying on dialup but text messages are like my phone. They may appear at your end in sort of realistic toime or they may not get gthere until tomorrow.
I pity the poor bastards on satellite sharing 4Gbps.. massively oversubscribed
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
JudgeMental said:
http://www.news.com.au/technology/presto-says-australias-internet-speeds-too-slow-for-4k-content-and-blames-new-nbn/story-e6frfrnr-1227506224160
I already knew that, and it’s a damn shame. But, ah well.
BLINK
cough
So if the original plan was left in place then how many people outside of Scotsdale, Tasmania will have benifited from this 4k service.
What utter tosh.
By 2018 – 2020 (or whenever the roll-out completion target was) upwards of 80% of the population would have had access to it. Now it is only those lucky enough to be living in the first few roll-out suburbs that can potentially benefit from it, the rest won’t get it. It’s a restricted market and unlikely to grow, hence service providers like Presto think it is not worth their time.
party_pants said:
By 2018 – 2020 (or whenever the roll-out completion target was)
Ahh, yes, the projected timeline of the original scenario which they were so close complying with.
ROFL.
The whole project has been quite a clusterfuck from whoa to go. If I had my druthers I’d much prefer FTTP, but to think that the NBN was anywhere close to being on track to deliver what was initially promised means that you must live in some form of alternate universe.
jjjust moi said:
roughbarked said:
JudgeMental said:
http://www.news.com.au/technology/presto-says-australias-internet-speeds-too-slow-for-4k-content-and-blames-new-nbn/story-e6frfrnr-1227506224160
Does anybody remember Nick? He did try to move the SSSF forum..
Nick was a liar.
sibeen said:
party_pants said:By 2018 – 2020 (or whenever the roll-out completion target was)
Ahh, yes, the projected timeline of the original scenario which they were so close complying with.
ROFL.
The whole project has been quite a clusterfuck from whoa to go. If I had my druthers I’d much prefer FTTP, but to think that the NBN was anywhere close to being on track to deliver what was initially promised means that you must live in some form of alternate universe.
It may have helped if we’d had NBN tech when we laid the phone lines or rolled out electricty.
Dosen’twookiemeister said:
jjjust moi said:
roughbarked said:Does anybody remember Nick? He did try to move the SSSF forum..
Nick was a liar.
nick did what he was told , no more, no less
sibeen said:
party_pants said:By 2018 – 2020 (or whenever the roll-out completion target was)
Ahh, yes, the projected timeline of the original scenario which they were so close complying with.
ROFL.
The whole project has been quite a clusterfuck from whoa to go. If I had my druthers I’d much prefer FTTP, but to think that the NBN was anywhere close to being on track to deliver what was initially promised means that you must live in some form of alternate universe.
Delays and teething problems are inevitable in projects of such a scale. To me it’s not a reason not to do it and go for something else that already can’t handle today’s technology.
It is one of my top reason for not voting Liberal in the upcoming by-election.
Call and Win – Win cash live!
a gripping show that one.
and as for financing, well money is cheap atm.
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
party_pants said:By 2018 – 2020 (or whenever the roll-out completion target was)
Ahh, yes, the projected timeline of the original scenario which they were so close complying with.
ROFL.
The whole project has been quite a clusterfuck from whoa to go. If I had my druthers I’d much prefer FTTP, but to think that the NBN was anywhere close to being on track to deliver what was initially promised means that you must live in some form of alternate universe.
Delays and teething problems are inevitable in projects of such a scale. To me it’s not a reason not to do it and go for something else that already can’t handle today’s technology.
It is one of my top reason for not voting Liberal in the upcoming by-election.
Reason wasn’t apparent.. This is true.
JudgeMental said:
Call and Win – Win cash live!a gripping show that one.
I’ve tried watching it for a few minutes but I was looking at her tits.
the NBN should have only ever been rolled out to new houses where the owner was not present
at the moment its very time consuming
I think they might have ditched the batteries now – its optional
it was never viable once Telstra had been sold off, in theory it that lovely made by Telstra as a pubic company could have been used to install the NBN
now Australia is fucked
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
party_pants said:By 2018 – 2020 (or whenever the roll-out completion target was)
Ahh, yes, the projected timeline of the original scenario which they were so close complying with.
ROFL.
The whole project has been quite a clusterfuck from whoa to go. If I had my druthers I’d much prefer FTTP, but to think that the NBN was anywhere close to being on track to deliver what was initially promised means that you must live in some form of alternate universe.
Delays and teething problems are inevitable in projects of such a scale. To me it’s not a reason not to do it and go for something else that already can’t handle today’s technology.
It is one of my top reason for not voting Liberal in the upcoming by-election.
Whilst the Libs have not covered themselves in glory over this, exactly the opposite, the Labs initial startup of the project has got to be one of the worst managed infrastructure project that I’ve ever come across. They had no idea what they were getting into and made plenty of promises that they knew they had no chance of living up too.
wookiemeister said:
now Australia is fucked
It is just like America then?
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
sibeen said:Ahh, yes, the projected timeline of the original scenario which they were so close complying with.
ROFL.
The whole project has been quite a clusterfuck from whoa to go. If I had my druthers I’d much prefer FTTP, but to think that the NBN was anywhere close to being on track to deliver what was initially promised means that you must live in some form of alternate universe.
Delays and teething problems are inevitable in projects of such a scale. To me it’s not a reason not to do it and go for something else that already can’t handle today’s technology.
It is one of my top reason for not voting Liberal in the upcoming by-election.
Whilst the Libs have not covered themselves in glory over this, exactly the opposite, the Labs initial startup of the project has got to be one of the worst managed infrastructure project that I’ve ever come across. They had no idea what they were getting into and made plenty of promises that they knew they had no chance of living up too.
roughbarked said:
wookiemeister said:now Australia is fucked
It is just like America then?
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
sibeen said:Ahh, yes, the projected timeline of the original scenario which they were so close complying with.
ROFL.
The whole project has been quite a clusterfuck from whoa to go. If I had my druthers I’d much prefer FTTP, but to think that the NBN was anywhere close to being on track to deliver what was initially promised means that you must live in some form of alternate universe.
Delays and teething problems are inevitable in projects of such a scale. To me it’s not a reason not to do it and go for something else that already can’t handle today’s technology.
It is one of my top reason for not voting Liberal in the upcoming by-election.
Whilst the Libs have not covered themselves in glory over this, exactly the opposite, the Labs initial startup of the project has got to be one of the worst managed infrastructure project that I’ve ever come across. They had no idea what they were getting into and made plenty of promises that they knew they had no chance of living up too.
The whole thing was a political expedient that should have been planned rather than the above.
My thoughts on the NBN.
If your going to build something, build it properly.
The liberals stuffed it up to let other people make more money from it.
CrazyNeutrino said:
My thoughts on the NBN.
If your going to build something, build it properly.
The liberals stuffed it up to let other people make more money from it.
you cant build an NBN when the Telco has been privatised
when they sold off the Telco and the bank they fucked the place
have you noticed that GST came in off the back of the privatisations?
without money from public firms they had to put all the taxes up
http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2015/10/26/its_almost_time_for_australias_fibretothepremises_fetishists_to_give_up/
a couple of the commentators are worth a read.
the fact is we can’t afford it
for the moment just get the developer to install it at their own cost into their own new housing estates
most people are quite happy to get the existing speeds – they don’t need a film download in a few seconds
very few people make any money from the NBN and that money coming from an outside source
most money being made from the NBN would be associated with money leaving the country
anyone selling a product over here doesn’t need to communicate with potential buyers at lightning speed
wookiemeister said:
the fact is we can’t afford it
ROFL What the fuck? Australia is the wealthiest sizeable country on earth, we can easily afford this infrastructure upgrade. It’s unfortunate that it has been let to rot for so long and we’ve fallen so far behind but at some point we have to bite the bullet.
dv said:
wookiemeister said:
the fact is we can’t afford itROFL What the fuck? Australia is the wealthiest sizeable country on earth, we can easily afford this infrastructure upgrade. It’s unfortunate that it has been let to rot for so long and we’ve fallen so far behind but at some point we have to bite the bullet.
we owe too much money privately and publicly
why keep taking more loans and keep paying more money in interest when we could pay that loan off and use that money we could have paid a bank to pay for things we need?
no one in their right mind would run their own affairs in the same way as they run this country
Australia is in a recession, mining has fallen over and the drought is taking hold
massive new estates are being built for the slaves in Melbourne – get the developer to install the NBN at their own expense
if we had any brains we would be manufacturing baby milk tested and given the tick of assurance and sell it to china
get the water to the land and give the farmers reliable water and all things will flow
wookiemeister said:
dv said:
wookiemeister said:
the fact is we can’t afford itROFL What the fuck? Australia is the wealthiest sizeable country on earth, we can easily afford this infrastructure upgrade. It’s unfortunate that it has been let to rot for so long and we’ve fallen so far behind but at some point we have to bite the bullet.
its too latewe owe too much money privately and publicly
why keep taking more loans and keep paying more money in interest when we could pay that loan off and use that money we could have paid a bank to pay for things we need?
no one in their right mind would run their own affairs in the same way as they run this country
Australia is in a recession, mining has fallen over and the drought is taking hold
massive new estates are being built for the slaves in Melbourne – get the developer to install the NBN at their own expense
another topic wookie knows FA about. getting quite a list now.
jjjust moi said:
wookiemeister said:
dv said:ROFL What the fuck? Australia is the wealthiest sizeable country on earth, we can easily afford this infrastructure upgrade. It’s unfortunate that it has been let to rot for so long and we’ve fallen so far behind but at some point we have to bite the bullet.
its too latewe owe too much money privately and publicly
why keep taking more loans and keep paying more money in interest when we could pay that loan off and use that money we could have paid a bank to pay for things we need?
no one in their right mind would run their own affairs in the same way as they run this country
Australia is in a recession, mining has fallen over and the drought is taking hold
massive new estates are being built for the slaves in Melbourne – get the developer to install the NBN at their own expense
Why don’t you fuck off to a country that suits your thinking then, fucking cretin you are.
i’m still weighing my options
no cunt seems to know what they are doing here
poor old wookie. a legend in his own lunchtime. how many jobs have you got the arse from for being incompetent?
JudgeMental said:
poor old wookie. a legend in his own lunchtime. how many jobs have you got the arse from for being incompetent?
give it another a few more years and the debt will be higher and the taxes will be higher
why do you think the “business council “ wants the GST to go to 15 percent?
its because they want the government to take more revenue to take more loans to keep them going – meanwhile every man , woman and child is going to have to work longer, harder so a rich man and his children that thrives of public debt can live a nice life at the expense of everyone else with no contacts.
its devolving to a nightmarish feudal system under the banner of “democracy” oh sorry “egalitarianism” tripe they feed the minds of the lower middle class so they can tell themselves everything is ok
Malcolm has got it right – he’s shifted his money OUT of the country – clever man – he knows which way the wind blows
JudgeMental said:
poor old wookie. a legend in his own lunchtime. how many jobs have you got the arse from for being incompetent?
bumped from another so someone could employ his dad
with things getting worse i’m getting the finger wherever I go nowadays
i would love to fuck off but i’ve got family over here now
whine.
another job i got bumped from saw me as an offsider to someone with barely any formal education beyond year ten running an asset of hundreds of millions of dollars – they were and are still running it into the ground.
at one point the office girl demanded i shut down the water supply to an entire city because she thought it was a good idea. i carefully suggested that wouldn’t be a good idea. if she had forced me to shut off the water supply i would have nodded – shut the water off, waited for here to turn her back and quickly turn the water back on.
brainless managers are a given in australia
you shake your head and move on
JudgeMental said:
whine.
i should have gone to the falklands instead of wasting my time coming here
always have to shit on stuff don’t you wookie? can’t have a conversation without blowing your own trumpet.
blowhard.
anyway have fun talking to yourself.
JudgeMental said:
always have to shit on stuff don’t you wookie? can’t have a conversation without blowing your own trumpet.
its what happens – if its blowing my own trumpet i don’t care – its not that important to me
most come across are full of it or cagey – people don’t like sharing information because they are afraid of losing their job
these kinds of places are often filthy – infrastructure worth hundreds of millions if not billions are often driven straight into the dirt with scarcely a second thought
its the way they do things here
its the Australian way
i wouldn’t worry, the FTA will put you all out of a job soon
i talk to myself all the time
its that bouncing a ball off the wall thing
the conclusion i came to here is that many people are insane
poor fuckers
anyway i’m wasting my time here
dv said:
wookiemeister said:
the fact is we can’t afford itROFL What the fuck? Australia is the wealthiest sizeable country on earth, we can easily afford this infrastructure upgrade. It’s unfortunate that it has been let to rot for so long and we’ve fallen so far behind but at some point we have to bite the bullet.
I noticed someone from the power authority working around the main switch board of the neighbours house – he looked flustered, I said hello as I got out my car
whats happening with the house then ?
they’ve reported tingles on the taps
ahhhh that’s most likely high resistance on the point of supply – change the connection of the POS
he muttered a bit and I said a cheery farewell
I went out half an hour later after I saw him still flustered from the window and he was still in the same situation
I said hello again and then briefly explained that this was a common fault, the special connection often goes belly up on the neutral
just get put a new connection on it and it will fix it
he then explained he didn’t get much training and stuff
well change that connection and see what happens – it will help you
I went out in the morning and found the old POS connection laid right next to my car door – must have solved his problems
https://delimiter.com.au/2015/11/05/quigley-releases-detailed-evidence-showing-mtm-nbn-cost-blowout/
So what now happens to the whole installation workforce – Their 457 Visas get cancelled and they’re sent home?
http://www.itnews.com.au/news/nbn-considering-overbuilding-dodgy-800m-optus-cable-412280
LOL, oh dear. and didn’t see that coming.
https://delimiter.com.au/2015/12/16/fttn-rollout-hits-50000-homes-in-record-time/
always read the comments. people seem to know what’s going on.
ChrispenEvan said:
https://delimiter.com.au/2015/12/16/fttn-rollout-hits-50000-homes-in-record-time/always read the comments. people seem to know what’s going on.
Such cynicism
yeah, better than friday funnies.
http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2015/12/malcolms-mess-how-the-coalitions-nbn-came-unstuck/
https://delimiter.com.au/2016/01/04/detailed-analysis-of-nbn-cos-finances-shows-fttp-better-value-than-fttn/
http://valman.blogspot.com.au/2015/12/fttp-vs-fttn-when-is-spending-4400.html
https://delimiter.com.au/2016/01/05/nbn-fttn-kills-off-adsl-for-metro-customer-to-be-replaced-with-satellite/
the last line says it all.
https://newmatilda.com/2016/01/21/false-balance-abc-news-boss-directed-journalist-nick-ross-to-target-alps-nbn-plan-for-insurance-against-coalition-attacks/
FFS.
it’s all about nick and secret recordings.
the NBN installation in my area has died in the arse so thats more or less it for me, the jobs coming in by people being available mean that its not being rolled very much at all
at this rate it will never be installed
too much fucking around drilling holes and installing plastic bottles in houses
its doomed
the fibre optic fibre i’m led to believe is yank land stuff, the brains and battery pack is chinese
so thats lots of money leaving the country
http://nofibs.com.au/aunty-through-turnbullmalcolms-independent-looking-glass-of-auspols-realpolitik-jansant-comments/
JudgeMental said:
http://nofibs.com.au/aunty-through-turnbullmalcolms-independent-looking-glass-of-auspols-realpolitik-jansant-comments/
Interesting.
Although I do find twit-speak hard to follow sometimes.
I suppose that makes me a dinosaur.
You know you’ve hit rock bottom when you start posting from Margo Kingston’s blog.
The Rev Dodgson said:
JudgeMental said:
http://nofibs.com.au/aunty-through-turnbullmalcolms-independent-looking-glass-of-auspols-realpolitik-jansant-comments/
Interesting.
Although I do find twit-speak hard to follow sometimes.
I suppose that makes me a dinosaur.
Ja, ich auch.
https://delimiter.com.au/2016/02/01/political-untruths-poisoning-the-nbn-says-budde/
https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/wa/a/30702678/nbn-board-member-well-connected/
http://www.bendigoadvertiser.com.au/story/3710352/netflix-nbn-break-internet-in-bendigo/
https://delimiter.com.au/2016/02/15/nbn-blogger-predicted-fttn-congestion-seven-months-ago/
https://delimiter.com.au/2016/02/17/its-begun-split-up-the-nbn-and-sell-it-off-says-infrastructure-australia/
Tim Minchin’s Cardinal Pell song hurting abuse victims, priest says
Posted 6 minutes ago
A Jesuit priest says a song calling for Cardinal George Pell to come home by comedian Tim Minchin risks turning the royal commission into a laughing stock, and that abuse victims will suffer.
They stick together better that shit to a blanket, the pricks.
https://newmatilda.com/2016/02/17/false-balance-move-along-nothing-here-says-abc-boss/
long article
JudgeMental said:
https://newmatilda.com/2016/02/17/false-balance-move-along-nothing-here-says-abc-boss/long article
And worth the time to read.
RIP ABC editorial independence.
thanks Ian. I agree, well worth the effort.
Ian said:
JudgeMental said:
https://newmatilda.com/2016/02/17/false-balance-move-along-nothing-here-says-abc-boss/long article
And worth the time to read.
RIP ABC editorial independence.
Oh how I laughed when I read this…..bullshit, he blows with the wind.
ross has been vindicated by those in the industry. nuff said.
https://delimiter.com.au/2016/03/09/delimiter-publishes-nbn-internal-fttnb-troubleshooting-plan/
https://delimiter.com.au/2016/03/23/budde-says-turnbull-may-announce-fttdp-nbn-election-policy/
LOL, and another roll-out. at least this one is getting it right. but will it get up or be seen as acknowledging that labor was right all along?
Boris said:
https://delimiter.com.au/2016/03/23/budde-says-turnbull-may-announce-fttdp-nbn-election-policy/LOL, and another roll-out. at least this one is getting it right. but will it get up or be seen as acknowledging that labor was right all along?
Won’t they have to hold a plebiscite first?
woohoo.
http://www.itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis/fuzzy-logic/72133-malcolm-turnbull-promises-full-fibre-nbn-for-australia-at-last.html
and damn april the 1st.
(cough)bullshit(cough)
ChrispenEvan said:
(cough)bullshit(cough)
The Coalition will deliver the ALP unfunded NBN.
They have already fixed the ALP;s disastrous deaths at sea and children in detention
If you want results the Coalition is your port of call.
If you want unfunded promises knock yourself out with the Greens/ALP.
i would have thought you would have learnt by now not to troll me.
ChrispenEvan said:
i would have thought you would have learnt by now not to troll me.
Likewise.
https://delimiter.com.au/2016/04/08/home-truths-baxter-points-ridiculous-nbn-speed-tiers-truly/
After having dug to a depth of 10 feet last year, British scientists found
traces of copper wire dating back 200 years and came to the conclusion that
their ancestors already had a telephone network more than 150 years ago.
Not to be outdone by the British, in the weeks that followed, an American
archaeologist dug to a depth of 20 feet, and shortly after, a story
published in the New York Times: “American archaeologists, finding traces of
250-year-old copper wire, have concluded that their ancestors already had an
advanced high-tech communications network 50 years earlier than the
British”.
One week later, Australia’s Northern Territory Times, reported the
following:
“After digging as deep as 30 feet in his backyard in Tennant Creek, Northern
Territory, aboriginal Billi Bunji, a self-taught archaeologist, reported
that he found absolutely fuck-all.
Billi has therefore concluded that 250 years ago, Australia had already
gone wireless…”
Makes me feel bloody proud to be Australian!
https://electronicsnews.com.au/does-high-speed-fibre-internet-equate-to-increased-property-value/
ChrispenEvan said:
https://electronicsnews.com.au/does-high-speed-fibre-internet-equate-to-increased-property-value/
I was walking past a house right next door to the Telstra exchange and did think “I bet they get a decent internet speed” taking into context for Australia’s definition of decent internet speed
well worth a read.
yep, some good points made. and a lost opportunity.
ChrispenEvan said:
yep, some good points made. and a lost opportunity.
A great opportunity missed. Sadly. It could have been great.
buffy said:
ChrispenEvan said:
yep, some good points made. and a lost opportunity.
A great opportunity missed. Sadly. It could have been great.
You two would waste it watching FDOTM live-streaming video.
First Dog has a video??? where???
our mate nick
http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/article/604517/nbn-accc-needs-start-itself-when-addressing-broadband-bullshit-then-move-nbn-company/
ChrispenEvan said:
our mate nickhttp://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/article/604517/nbn-accc-needs-start-itself-when-addressing-broadband-bullshit-then-move-nbn-company/
*starts reading *
*Strikes the word ‘space’ twice *
*Stops reading *
Soooo…. He’s still a flog….
Rule 303 said:
ChrispenEvan said:
our mate nickhttp://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/article/604517/nbn-accc-needs-start-itself-when-addressing-broadband-bullshit-then-move-nbn-company/
*starts reading *
*Strikes the word ‘space’ twice *
*Stops reading *
Soooo…. He’s still a flog….
no idea what you are on about.
ChrispenEvan said:
no idea what you are on about.
ABC Nick is still a flog, is what I mean.
the article was quite interesting. it is an ongoing topic, actual speeds as opposed to not saying. just that i follow this stuff and Renai has been on the same vein. good to see another bring it up.
http://www.pcauthority.com.au/News/435922,analysis-the-nbn-corporate-plan-quietly-reveals-some-big-problems.aspx
http://www.afr.com/business/telecommunications/australias-internet-moves-into-the-slow-lane-20160923-grmqvt
How’d that happen? She thought NBN meant “No Boats Now!”?
ChrispenEvan said:
It’ll keep her busy and buried in the background. Good move Mr Cormann.
Pauline Hanson on NBN Committee
Michael V said:
ChrispenEvan said:It’ll keep her busy and buried in the background. Good move Mr Cormann.
Pauline Hanson on NBN Committee
Not that’s he’s known as a good mover.
What a great idea FttP.
http://www.itwire.com/telecoms-and-nbn/76472-nbn-rollout-progress-a-‘pyrrhic-victory’-says-patton.html
https://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2017/april/1490965200/paddy-manning/network-error
long and detailed read.
https://independentaustralia.net/business/business-display/media-questions-next-move-for-nbn,12084
Nick Ross gets a good mention.
The OP website no longer exists. Had to find the article on Wayback.
https://web.archive.org/web/20150106195620/http://sortius.net.au/all-is-lost-in-the-land-of-the-nbn/
How is this thread 4 years long??
JudgeMental said:
https://independentaustralia.net/business/business-display/media-questions-next-move-for-nbn,12084Nick Ross gets a good mention.
LOL, I worked with Pascal for nigh on a decade and never knew he was so interested in the NBN. I even went to a protest and joined a group of telecoms engineers to hand in a petition to our local member and still didn’t know Pascal would have been interested.
Kothos said:
The OP website no longer exists. Had to find the article on Wayback.
https://web.archive.org/web/20150106195620/http://sortius.net.au/all-is-lost-in-the-land-of-the-nbn/
How is this thread 4 years long??
JudgeMental said:
https://independentaustralia.net/business/business-display/media-questions-next-move-for-nbn,12084Nick Ross gets a good mention.
LOL, I worked with Pascal for nigh on a decade and never knew he was so interested in the NBN. I even went to a protest and joined a group of telecoms engineers to hand in a petition to our local member and still didn’t know Pascal would have been interested.
It is 4 years long cos i keep digging it up when i think a NBN story is worth keeping.
:-)
It is 4 years long cos i keep digging it up when i think a NBN story is worth keeping.:-)
So how come you’re so interested? :-)
Kothos said:
It is 4 years long cos i keep digging it up when i think a NBN story is worth keeping.:-)
So how come you’re so interested? :-)
Just something that i started to follow a bit. Plus i think the NBN was a good idea in the original format of FTTP. it is really the best way forwards. instead of the dog’d breakfast we have now. stupid system now for something that is going to be with us for decades to come.
JudgeMental said:
stupid system now for something that is going to be with us for decades to come.
But. it’ll be a grand opportunity for a politician to offer billions of dollars of public money to some of his mates to ‘upgrade’ it all in the future.
It’ll be really big, mammoth sized and white when 5G is fully rolled out.
Peak Warming Man said:
It’ll be really big, mammoth sized and white when 5G is fully rolled out.
No. I get sick of seeing this crap.
JudgeMental said:
Peak Warming Man said:
It’ll be really big, mammoth sized and white when 5G is fully rolled out.
No. I get sick of seeing this crap.
Debate will continue whether you like it or not.
Peak Warming Man said:
JudgeMental said:
Peak Warming Man said:
It’ll be really big, mammoth sized and white when 5G is fully rolled out.
No. I get sick of seeing this crap.
Debate will continue whether you like it or not.
but it just isn’t true.
JudgeMental said:
Peak Warming Man said:
JudgeMental said:No. I get sick of seeing this crap.
Debate will continue whether you like it or not.
but it just isn’t true.
It’s been quite while since the concept of truth has been associated with the NBN.
Peak Warming Man said:
It’ll be really big, mammoth sized and white when 5G is fully rolled out.
Nah.
I’m watching the cricket right now using my fibre to the wardrobe connection. Now that it is there I can’t see any reason why I need to switch to a to 5-G plan. Fibre works brilliantly.
JudgeMental said:
Peak Warming Man said:
JudgeMental said:No. I get sick of seeing this crap.
Debate will continue whether you like it or not.
but it just isn’t true.
so you can ‘debate” it you like but you will just be talking crap. but be my guest.
Fibre to the wardrobe. That’s a new one. Do you also get to visit Narnia?
captain_spalding said:
JudgeMental said:
Peak Warming Man said:Debate will continue whether you like it or not.
but it just isn’t true.
It’s been quite while since the concept of truth has been associated with the NBN.
it is about the technology, so science.
JudgeMental said:
captain_spalding said:
JudgeMental said:but it just isn’t true.
It’s been quite while since the concept of truth has been associated with the NBN.
it is about the technology, so science.
No issues with the tech aspects. Rather more with promises versus realities.
captain_spalding said:
JudgeMental said:
captain_spalding said:It’s been quite while since the concept of truth has been associated with the NBN.
it is about the technology, so science.
No issues with the tech aspects. Rather more with promises versus realities.
well yes, but that wasn’t the topic atm.
JudgeMental said:
JudgeMental said:
Peak Warming Man said:Debate will continue whether you like it or not.
but it just isn’t true.
so you can ‘debate” it you like but you will just be talking crap. but be my guest.
The debate will go on and you can yell and scream and froth from the sidelines but the debate will go on.
Divine Angel said:
Fibre to the wardrobe. That’s a new one. Do you also get to visit Narnia?
This is literally where the NBN connection point is, in the walk-in wardrobe. They built in all the wiring to that spot, including a power point. New house built in the NBN era.
No, to your second question.
Peak Warming Man said:
JudgeMental said:
JudgeMental said:but it just isn’t true.
so you can ‘debate” it you like but you will just be talking crap. but be my guest.
The debate will go on and you can yell and scream and froth from the sidelines but the debate will go on.
fuck off. idiot.
JudgeMental said:
Peak Warming Man said:
JudgeMental said:so you can ‘debate” it you like but you will just be talking crap. but be my guest.
The debate will go on and you can yell and scream and froth from the sidelines but the debate will go on.
fuck off. idiot.
LOL
JudgeMental said:
Peak Warming Man said:
JudgeMental said:so you can ‘debate” it you like but you will just be talking crap. but be my guest.
The debate will go on and you can yell and scream and froth from the sidelines but the debate will go on.
fuck off. idiot.
And yet it moves.
where do you think the connection between towers is going to come from? the nbn system. where do you reckon people not in a city are going to get internet from? the nbn. where do you think sensible people will turn to when congestion on the 5G networks gets beyond a joke? the nbn. so go do a bit of research on the subject before making yourself look old and senile.
sibeen said:
JudgeMental said:
Peak Warming Man said:The debate will go on and you can yell and scream and froth from the sidelines but the debate will go on.
fuck off. idiot.
And yet it moves.
Really, I can sit here and watch video all day using a 4G connection via my phone. 5g will ba an order of magnitude quicker.
JudgeMental said:
where do you think the connection between towers is going to come from? the nbn system. where do you reckon people not in a city are going to get internet from? the nbn. where do you think sensible people will turn to when congestion on the 5G networks gets beyond a joke? the nbn. so go do a bit of research on the subject before making yourself look old and senile.
I don’t get this, the links between exchanges and radio towers has been fibre for years, well before the NBN was even though of.
Thing is, the speed of fibre is not fixed. Once the fibres are laid they stay put for ages and don’t need upgrading.. Only the machines at the either end need to be changed out to upgrade the system. It could always keep up with or ahead of 5G, or 6G or 7G or whatever… without needing to build a new system each time.
In recent trials, Optus said it achieved real-world results of 2Gbps. However, could 5G feasibly replace NBN as the home internet king?
Coverage of 5G is a major concern. Telstra has come out saying that one million Australians will be covered – less than 5% of the total population – while 3G and 4G services cover up to 98% of Australians at present.
At the time of writing, NBN Co has stated it now has over 5.5 million connections on the service, both residential and businesses.
It is estimated that to rollout 5G coverage for the whole of Europe, it will cost about €300bn to €500bn. Australia is not as populated but could have similar infrastructure costs due to the land size.
5G may not necessarily be the NBN killer the tabloid headlines will have you believe, but it may see a complementary role alongside NBN. In any case, the next couple years in Australia are about to get exciting for internet.
https://www.canstarblue.com.au/internet/5g-vs-nbn/
I think 5G (and beyond) will be the bulk of internet activity in the future, the nbn will still be used for secure industrial connections and the like.
Time will tell.
sibeen said:
JudgeMental said:
where do you think the connection between towers is going to come from? the nbn system. where do you reckon people not in a city are going to get internet from? the nbn. where do you think sensible people will turn to when congestion on the 5G networks gets beyond a joke? the nbn. so go do a bit of research on the subject before making yourself look old and senile.
I don’t get this, the links between exchanges and radio towers has been fibre for years, well before the NBN was even though of.
yes, but the 5g hasn’t been built yet.
JudgeMental said:
captain_spalding said:
JudgeMental said:it is about the technology, so science.
No issues with the tech aspects. Rather more with promises versus realities.
well yes, but that wasn’t the topic atm.
I’ll go to a neutral corner.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-25/5g-vs-nbn-mobile-network-convenient-but-expensive-alternative/9083746
https://www.zdnet.com/article/5g-will-complement-nbn-not-replace-it-nokia/
every article says basically the same thing. so no, 5g won’t replace the nbn. not now not ever (well never is a really long time so who knows)
JudgeMental said:
sibeen said:
JudgeMental said:
where do you think the connection between towers is going to come from? the nbn system. where do you reckon people not in a city are going to get internet from? the nbn. where do you think sensible people will turn to when congestion on the 5G networks gets beyond a joke? the nbn. so go do a bit of research on the subject before making yourself look old and senile.
I don’t get this, the links between exchanges and radio towers has been fibre for years, well before the NBN was even though of.
yes, but the 5g hasn’t been built yet.
But the links between excahnges and towers have been. The majority of the cost isn’t the fibre it’s the tunnel/route that it goes in. Upgrading is cheap as chips.
https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2018/10/5g-probably-wont-replace-nbn-but-it-could-make-it-better/
https://www.computerworld.com.au/article/642708/telstra-predicts-5g-boost-wireless-only-households/
https://whatphone.com.au/telstra/5g-will-not-replace-nbn
JudgeMental said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-25/5g-vs-nbn-mobile-network-convenient-but-expensive-alternative/9083746https://www.zdnet.com/article/5g-will-complement-nbn-not-replace-it-nokia/
every article says basically the same thing. so no, 5g won’t replace the nbn. not now not ever (well never is a really long time so who knows)
Yeah, the way I see it by the time 5G coverage reaches 90% of the population with 2Gbs speeds, the NBN could have been upgraded to something capable of a lot more than that.
sibeen said:
JudgeMental said:
sibeen said:I don’t get this, the links between exchanges and radio towers has been fibre for years, well before the NBN was even though of.
yes, but the 5g hasn’t been built yet.
But the links between excahnges and towers have been. The majority of the cost isn’t the fibre it’s the tunnel/route that it goes in. Upgrading is cheap as chips.
5g will have to have a lot more antennas. they aren’t all going to go direct to an exchange but go into the nbn network then into exchanges.
party_pants said:
JudgeMental said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-25/5g-vs-nbn-mobile-network-convenient-but-expensive-alternative/9083746https://www.zdnet.com/article/5g-will-complement-nbn-not-replace-it-nokia/
every article says basically the same thing. so no, 5g won’t replace the nbn. not now not ever (well never is a really long time so who knows)
Yeah, the way I see it by the time 5G coverage reaches 90% of the population with 2Gbs speeds, the NBN could have been upgraded to something capable of a lot more than that.
Yeah, because everybody needs 2Gbs speeds…oh, wait, hardly anybody needs anything like that.
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
JudgeMental said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-25/5g-vs-nbn-mobile-network-convenient-but-expensive-alternative/9083746https://www.zdnet.com/article/5g-will-complement-nbn-not-replace-it-nokia/
every article says basically the same thing. so no, 5g won’t replace the nbn. not now not ever (well never is a really long time so who knows)
Yeah, the way I see it by the time 5G coverage reaches 90% of the population with 2Gbs speeds, the NBN could have been upgraded to something capable of a lot more than that.
Yeah, because everybody needs 2Gbs speeds…oh, wait, hardly anybody needs anything like that.
yeah and there is probably a market for 5 computers in the world. or whatever that fake quote was.
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
JudgeMental said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-25/5g-vs-nbn-mobile-network-convenient-but-expensive-alternative/9083746https://www.zdnet.com/article/5g-will-complement-nbn-not-replace-it-nokia/
every article says basically the same thing. so no, 5g won’t replace the nbn. not now not ever (well never is a really long time so who knows)
Yeah, the way I see it by the time 5G coverage reaches 90% of the population with 2Gbs speeds, the NBN could have been upgraded to something capable of a lot more than that.
Yeah, because everybody needs 2Gbs speeds…oh, wait, hardly anybody needs anything like that.
Whenever it is needed, it would still be an option to upgrade NBN fibre to that speed, without needing to build a new system. As you said, the fibre is already laid, all you need to do is swap out the terminal machines at either end.
JudgeMental said:
sibeen said:
party_pants said:Yeah, the way I see it by the time 5G coverage reaches 90% of the population with 2Gbs speeds, the NBN could have been upgraded to something capable of a lot more than that.
Yeah, because everybody needs 2Gbs speeds…oh, wait, hardly anybody needs anything like that.
yeah and there is probably a market for 5 computers in the world. or whatever that fake quote was.
I knew that was coming :)
Realistically the fastest anybody requires at the moment is a fast way to download video and that can basically be achieved in real time as it is. I’m certain there will be applications in the future where higher speeds are required but that’s what 6g and 7g will be good for :)
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
party_pants said:Yeah, the way I see it by the time 5G coverage reaches 90% of the population with 2Gbs speeds, the NBN could have been upgraded to something capable of a lot more than that.
Yeah, because everybody needs 2Gbs speeds…oh, wait, hardly anybody needs anything like that.
Whenever it is needed, it would still be an option to upgrade NBN fibre to that speed, without needing to build a new system. As you said, the fibre is already laid, all you need to do is swap out the terminal machines at either end.
No, I’m saying that fibre is already laid between exchanges and between exchanges and radio towers. 5g needs a lot more nodes/antennas due to the frequency and bandwidth it runs at and so additional fibre to these new nodes will need to be run. If the NBN has fibre to those nodes than I’m sure that Telstra/Optus/Vodaphone will be quite happy to rent space on them.
sibeen said:
JudgeMental said:
sibeen said:Yeah, because everybody needs 2Gbs speeds…oh, wait, hardly anybody needs anything like that.
yeah and there is probably a market for 5 computers in the world. or whatever that fake quote was.
I knew that was coming :)
Realistically the fastest anybody requires at the moment is a fast way to download video and that can basically be achieved in real time as it is. I’m certain there will be applications in the future where higher speeds are required but that’s what 6g and 7g will be good for :)
6g, 7g, why that looks like it is almost getting up to using the frequency of visible light to transmit and receive data!!!
JudgeMental said:
sibeen said:
JudgeMental said:yeah and there is probably a market for 5 computers in the world. or whatever that fake quote was.
I knew that was coming :)
Realistically the fastest anybody requires at the moment is a fast way to download video and that can basically be achieved in real time as it is. I’m certain there will be applications in the future where higher speeds are required but that’s what 6g and 7g will be good for :)
6g, 7g, why that looks like it is almost getting up to using the frequency of visible light to transmit and receive data!!!
If only we could come up with a way to guide it so we weren’t constrained by the inverse square law.
sibeen said:
JudgeMental said:
sibeen said:I knew that was coming :)
Realistically the fastest anybody requires at the moment is a fast way to download video and that can basically be achieved in real time as it is. I’m certain there will be applications in the future where higher speeds are required but that’s what 6g and 7g will be good for :)
6g, 7g, why that looks like it is almost getting up to using the frequency of visible light to transmit and receive data!!!
If only we could come up with a way to guide it so we weren’t constrained by the inverse square law.
or just equip the towers with fricken lazer beams.
Now the CA server has dropped out :(
Technology is marvelous… when it works.
>>At the time of writing, NBN Co has stated it now has over 5.5 million connections on the service, both residential and businesses.<<
From somewhere back there.
It’s not like you have a choice. You get what you get (we got fttn) and you get told connect or be disconnnected completely in February (for us). I presume any upgrade would involve extending the fibre to the premises. Which is not presently offered universally.
JudgeMental said:
sibeen said:
party_pants said:Yeah, the way I see it by the time 5G coverage reaches 90% of the population with 2Gbs speeds, the NBN could have been upgraded to something capable of a lot more than that.
Yeah, because everybody needs 2Gbs speeds…oh, wait, hardly anybody needs anything like that.
yeah and there is probably a market for 5 computers in the world. or whatever that fake quote was.
A wireless in every home? Tell ‘em they’re dreaming.
I wonder if they still do radio soaps.
AwesomeO said:
I wonder if they still do radio soaps.
I dunno about soaps but radio plays are still a thing.
Divine Angel said:
AwesomeO said:
I wonder if they still do radio soaps.
I dunno about soaps but radio plays are still a thing.
Ok, that’s what I meant. Who is the audience, blind people?
Divine Angel said:
AwesomeO said:
I wonder if they still do radio soaps.
I dunno about soaps but radio plays are still a thing.
Hmmmn. Wonder how many people still listen to it.
I have never listened to radio plays.
Divine Angel said:
AwesomeO said:
I wonder if they still do radio soaps.
I dunno about soaps but radio plays are still a thing.
My immediately younger sister wrote a radio play when she was 15 which the ABC broadcast, performed by the radio actors of the day.
Still have it on cassette tape somewhere :)
Bubblecar said:
Divine Angel said:
AwesomeO said:
I wonder if they still do radio soaps.
I dunno about soaps but radio plays are still a thing.
My immediately younger sister wrote a radio play when she was 15 which the ABC broadcast, performed by the radio actors of the day.
Still have it on cassette tape somewhere :)
I can only remember one line from it: “Always thought he was a bit odd. Something about the eyes, you know.”
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:
Divine Angel said:I dunno about soaps but radio plays are still a thing.
My immediately younger sister wrote a radio play when she was 15 which the ABC broadcast, performed by the radio actors of the day.
Still have it on cassette tape somewhere :)
I can only remember one line from it: “Always thought he was a bit odd. Something about the eyes, you know.”
“As the head of Emily Kaye lay upon the coals, the dead eyes opened”
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:
Divine Angel said:I dunno about soaps but radio plays are still a thing.
My immediately younger sister wrote a radio play when she was 15 which the ABC broadcast, performed by the radio actors of the day.
Still have it on cassette tape somewhere :)
I can only remember one line from it: “Always thought he was a bit odd. Something about the eyes, you know.”
“ Then it hit me, they were in the back of his head. so that was how he did it!”
Thr Radio For he Print Handicapped do a lot of book readings and replay old radio Soaps.
They are currently running The Adopted Son.
The BBC has a annual or there abouts prize for radio plays.
party_pants said:
Divine Angel said:
AwesomeO said:
I wonder if they still do radio soaps.
I dunno about soaps but radio plays are still a thing.
Hmmmn. Wonder how many people still listen to it.
I have never listened to radio plays.
BBC radio broadcast radio plays daily, sometimes several a day. I’m a big fan of radio plays — I’d rather listen to them than watch anything on television. Stan Freberg had a radio show in the 1950s, on one of which he did a sketch illustrating the differences between TV and radio, as did the Goons (in several shows.) The first radio play, Danger was set down a coal mine in complete darkness. Dylan Thomas’s most famous work, Under Milk Wood was a radio play.
btm said:
party_pants said:The first radio play, Danger was set down a coal mine in complete darkness.
Divine Angel said:I dunno about soaps but radio plays are still a thing.
Hmmmn. Wonder how many people still listen to it.
I have never listened to radio plays.
how did they read the script?
btm said:
party_pants said:
Divine Angel said:I dunno about soaps but radio plays are still a thing.
Hmmmn. Wonder how many people still listen to it.
I have never listened to radio plays.
BBC radio broadcast radio plays daily, sometimes several a day. I’m a big fan of radio plays — I’d rather listen to them than watch anything on television. Stan Freberg had a radio show in the 1950s, on one of which he did a sketch illustrating the differences between TV and radio, as did the Goons (in several shows.) The first radio play, Danger was set down a coal mine in complete darkness. Dylan Thomas’s most famous work, Under Milk Wood was a radio play.
I’m a YouTube junkie. There’s quite a few channels I subscribe too. Lots of amateur stuff produced by very passionate people.
btm said:
party_pants said:
Divine Angel said:I dunno about soaps but radio plays are still a thing.
Hmmmn. Wonder how many people still listen to it.
I have never listened to radio plays.
BBC radio broadcast radio plays daily, sometimes several a day. I’m a big fan of radio plays — I’d rather listen to them than watch anything on television. Stan Freberg had a radio show in the 1950s, on one of which he did a sketch illustrating the differences between TV and radio, as did the Goons (in several shows.) The first radio play, Danger was set down a coal mine in complete darkness. Dylan Thomas’s most famous work, Under Milk Wood was a radio play.
Yes written for radio I believe. I’ve never read or seen it, a brilliant piece of writing apparently but I think it is time and place dependent. A bit like Irish plays of that era, fuck some of those are depressing.
btm said:
party_pants said:
Divine Angel said:I dunno about soaps but radio plays are still a thing.
Hmmmn. Wonder how many people still listen to it.
I have never listened to radio plays.
BBC radio broadcast radio plays daily, sometimes several a day. I’m a big fan of radio plays — I’d rather listen to them than watch anything on television. Stan Freberg had a radio show in the 1950s, on one of which he did a sketch illustrating the differences between TV and radio, as did the Goons (in several shows.) The first radio play, Danger, was set down a coal mine in complete darkness. Dylan Thomas’s most famous work, Under Milk Wood, was a radio play.
The Stan Freberg piece (which is well worth listening to, IMHO) begins at 3.03 in this.
btm said:
btm said:
party_pants said:Hmmmn. Wonder how many people still listen to it.
I have never listened to radio plays.
BBC radio broadcast radio plays daily, sometimes several a day. I’m a big fan of radio plays — I’d rather listen to them than watch anything on television. Stan Freberg had a radio show in the 1950s, on one of which he did a sketch illustrating the differences between TV and radio, as did the Goons (in several shows.) The first radio play, Danger, was set down a coal mine in complete darkness. Dylan Thomas’s most famous work, Under Milk Wood, was a radio play.
The Stan Freberg piece (which is well worth listening to, IMHO) begins at 3.03 in this.
Thanks for that.
party_pants said:
btm said:
party_pants said:Hmmmn. Wonder how many people still listen to it.
I have never listened to radio plays.
BBC radio broadcast radio plays daily, sometimes several a day. I’m a big fan of radio plays — I’d rather listen to them than watch anything on television. Stan Freberg had a radio show in the 1950s, on one of which he did a sketch illustrating the differences between TV and radio, as did the Goons (in several shows.) The first radio play, Danger was set down a coal mine in complete darkness. Dylan Thomas’s most famous work, Under Milk Wood was a radio play.
I’m a YouTube junkie. There’s quite a few channels I subscribe too. Lots of amateur stuff produced by very passionate people.
Some of BBC radio’s programmes are on youtube, including some experimental ones featuring binaural sound. Some examples:
The Stone Tape
The Ring
There was an American radio station (WKRP in Cincinnati? ZBS? I don’t remember) broadcasting binaural sound in the 1980s, calling it “Tha Cabinet of Doctor Fritz”; each show started with an introduction setting up the listener’s headphones, and ending with “Now, the Cabinet of Doctor Fritz… is you.” Those shows were recorded on a physical model of a human head made of rubber; its official name was Kunstkopf (German for Art-head). The shows included a six-episode adaptation of Ishmael Reed’s Mumbo Jumbo.
AwesomeO said:
I wonder if they still do radio soaps.
‘The Archers’ has been running on BBC Radio since 1951, and is nearing 19,000 episodes.
I’m with Judgemental – I don’t really believe the promises of 5G. I don’t see how it can’t suffer from all the same crap cellular usually suffera from: congestion, interference, lack of bandwidth etc.
By contrast any future upgrade costs of fibre will be negligible compared to the upgrade costs of cellular. Fibre is more stable and I expect the usage to increase to whatever is capacity is available so it will always be pushing the limits.
Kothos said:
I’m with Judgemental – I don’t really believe the promises of 5G. I don’t see how it can’t suffer from all the same crap cellular usually suffera from: congestion, interference, lack of bandwidth etc.
By contrast any future upgrade costs of fibre will be negligible compared to the upgrade costs of cellular. Fibre is more stable and I expect the usage to increase to whatever is capacity is available so it will always be pushing the limits.
especially when you’ll have “the internet of all things” hooked up to the system. not just phones.
JudgeMental said:
Kothos said:I’m with Judgemental – I don’t really believe the promises of 5G. I don’t see how it can’t suffer from all the same crap cellular usually suffera from: congestion, interference, lack of bandwidth etc.
By contrast any future upgrade costs of fibre will be negligible compared to the upgrade costs of cellular. Fibre is more stable and I expect the usage to increase to whatever is capacity is available so it will always be pushing the limits.
especially when you’ll have “the internet of all things” hooked up to the system. not just phones.
Yeah, I know, how the fuck did I survive before my fridge was ordering milk for me.
Yes, the amount of data I imagine people usuing is basically unlimited. Why have you’re fridge send a list of groceries needed to buy to the store, when it can easily send pictures instead? Why send pictures when it can send video so the store computer not only knows what your short of, but your exact usage habits?
Kothos said:
Yes, the amount of data I imagine people usuing is basically unlimited. Why have you’re fridge send a list of groceries needed to buy to the store, when it can easily send pictures instead? Why send pictures when it can send video so the store computer not only knows what your short of, but your exact usage habits?
My local mini-supermarket is all of five minutes walk around the corner.
I don’t want my fridge poking its nose into administrative duties.
sibeen said:
JudgeMental said:
Kothos said:I’m with Judgemental – I don’t really believe the promises of 5G. I don’t see how it can’t suffer from all the same crap cellular usually suffera from: congestion, interference, lack of bandwidth etc.
By contrast any future upgrade costs of fibre will be negligible compared to the upgrade costs of cellular. Fibre is more stable and I expect the usage to increase to whatever is capacity is available so it will always be pushing the limits.
especially when you’ll have “the internet of all things” hooked up to the system. not just phones.
Yeah, I know, how the fuck did I survive before my fridge was ordering milk for me.
It’s true though. “Kids these days” who are born with that sort of thing will view it as an inalienable right and necessity.
sibeen said:
JudgeMental said:
Kothos said:I’m with Judgemental – I don’t really believe the promises of 5G. I don’t see how it can’t suffer from all the same crap cellular usually suffera from: congestion, interference, lack of bandwidth etc.
By contrast any future upgrade costs of fibre will be negligible compared to the upgrade costs of cellular. Fibre is more stable and I expect the usage to increase to whatever is capacity is available so it will always be pushing the limits.
especially when you’ll have “the internet of all things” hooked up to the system. not just phones.
Yeah, I know, how the fuck did I survive before my fridge was ordering milk for me.
I sometimes drink my coffee black when I run out of milk.
Kothos said:
Yes, the amount of data I imagine people usuing is basically unlimited. Why have you’re fridge send a list of groceries needed to buy to the store, when it can easily send pictures instead? Why send pictures when it can send video so the store computer not only knows what your short of, but your exact usage habits?
I want the food-a-rac-a-cycle replicators they have on Star Trek.
You just front up, say e.g. ‘pork spare ribs’ ,and it fabricates them out of random atoms, right there and then.
My bet is people will go mobile with 5G rather than tethered with nbn.
Most heavy computing is done in the cloud these days, you don’t need a powerful computer anymore.
People will realise, hey I’m paying two internet bills here.
“I think we can kill the nbn luv, we hardly use it.”
“Yeah that’s fine dear”
Peak Warming Man said:
My bet is people will go mobile with 5G rather than tethered with nbn.
Most heavy computing is done in the cloud these days, you don’t need a powerful computer anymore.
People will realise, hey I’m paying two internet bills here.
“I think we can kill the nbn luv, we hardly use it.”
“Yeah that’s fine dear”
So people started off with decent, powerful, comfortable computers with great big screens, that could be used for virtually anything.
And they end up like miserable third-worlders with shitty little hand-held trinkets with peep-hole screens and say “Wow, the pace of progress is incredible!”
Bubblecar said:
Peak Warming Man said:
My bet is people will go mobile with 5G rather than tethered with nbn.
Most heavy computing is done in the cloud these days, you don’t need a powerful computer anymore.
People will realise, hey I’m paying two internet bills here.
“I think we can kill the nbn luv, we hardly use it.”
“Yeah that’s fine dear”
So people started off with decent, powerful, comfortable computers with great big screens, that could be used for virtually anything.
And they end up like miserable third-worlders with shitty little hand-held trinkets with peep-hole screens and say “Wow, the pace of progress is incredible!”
Err, I have a three screen setup and through the wonders of modern science I use the 4g on my phone and then wi-fi to the computer. In this way I have a miserable shitty third world screen on my phone which I don’t bother looking at as the BIG KICK ARSE THREE SCREEN stuff connected to the computer provide me with enough visual entertainment.
sibeen said:
Bubblecar said:
Peak Warming Man said:
My bet is people will go mobile with 5G rather than tethered with nbn.
Most heavy computing is done in the cloud these days, you don’t need a powerful computer anymore.
People will realise, hey I’m paying two internet bills here.
“I think we can kill the nbn luv, we hardly use it.”
“Yeah that’s fine dear”
So people started off with decent, powerful, comfortable computers with great big screens, that could be used for virtually anything.
And they end up like miserable third-worlders with shitty little hand-held trinkets with peep-hole screens and say “Wow, the pace of progress is incredible!”
Err, I have a three screen setup and through the wonders of modern science I use the 4g on my phone and then wi-fi to the computer. In this way I have a miserable shitty third world screen on my phone which I don’t bother looking at as the BIG KICK ARSE THREE SCREEN stuff connected to the computer provide me with enough visual entertainment.
Yes PWM didn’t mention any of that.
Bubblecar said:
sibeen said:
Bubblecar said:So people started off with decent, powerful, comfortable computers with great big screens, that could be used for virtually anything.
And they end up like miserable third-worlders with shitty little hand-held trinkets with peep-hole screens and say “Wow, the pace of progress is incredible!”
Err, I have a three screen setup and through the wonders of modern science I use the 4g on my phone and then wi-fi to the computer. In this way I have a miserable shitty third world screen on my phone which I don’t bother looking at as the BIG KICK ARSE THREE SCREEN stuff connected to the computer provide me with enough visual entertainment.
Yes PWM didn’t mention any of that.
= yes BUT PWM didn’t mention any of that.
Bubblecar said:
Bubblecar said:
sibeen said:Err, I have a three screen setup and through the wonders of modern science I use the 4g on my phone and then wi-fi to the computer. In this way I have a miserable shitty third world screen on my phone which I don’t bother looking at as the BIG KICK ARSE THREE SCREEN stuff connected to the computer provide me with enough visual entertainment.
Yes PWM didn’t mention any of that.
= yes BUT PWM didn’t mention any of that.
I wouldn’t think it would bear mentioning.
sibeen said:
Bubblecar said:
Peak Warming Man said:
My bet is people will go mobile with 5G rather than tethered with nbn.
Most heavy computing is done in the cloud these days, you don’t need a powerful computer anymore.
People will realise, hey I’m paying two internet bills here.
“I think we can kill the nbn luv, we hardly use it.”
“Yeah that’s fine dear”
So people started off with decent, powerful, comfortable computers with great big screens, that could be used for virtually anything.
And they end up like miserable third-worlders with shitty little hand-held trinkets with peep-hole screens and say “Wow, the pace of progress is incredible!”
Err, I have a three screen setup and through the wonders of modern science I use the 4g on my phone and then wi-fi to the computer. In this way I have a miserable shitty third world screen on my phone which I don’t bother looking at as the BIG KICK ARSE THREE SCREEN stuff connected to the computer provide me with enough visual entertainment.
FULL BRIDGE RECTIFIER!
JudgeMental said:
sibeen said:
Bubblecar said:So people started off with decent, powerful, comfortable computers with great big screens, that could be used for virtually anything.
And they end up like miserable third-worlders with shitty little hand-held trinkets with peep-hole screens and say “Wow, the pace of progress is incredible!”
Err, I have a three screen setup and through the wonders of modern science I use the 4g on my phone and then wi-fi to the computer. In this way I have a miserable shitty third world screen on my phone which I don’t bother looking at as the BIG KICK ARSE THREE SCREEN stuff connected to the computer provide me with enough visual entertainment.
FULL BRIDGE RECTIFIER!
:)
Regarding the usage, you guys should remember we’re technically all dinosaurs here.
I can’t be arsed connecting my fridge to the Internet either, but on the other hand I only have half the time left on the planet compared to a kid just born.
Kothos said:
Regarding the usage, you guys should remember we’re technically all dinosaurs here.
I can’t be arsed connecting my fridge to the Internet either, but on the other hand I only have half the time left on the planet compared to a kid just born.
It’s not things like connecting a fridge to the internet that’s going to drive increased bandwidth requirements, not IMHO anyway. Juicero anyone? It’ll be something out of the box, something that hasn’t been tried before. A bit like visi-calc, a spreadsheet for a home computer. A simple idea but before it was produced people where sort of wondering why you’d bother with a home computer; unless you were a nerd.
sibeen said:
Kothos said:Regarding the usage, you guys should remember we’re technically all dinosaurs here.
I can’t be arsed connecting my fridge to the Internet either, but on the other hand I only have half the time left on the planet compared to a kid just born.
It’s not things like connecting a fridge to the internet that’s going to drive increased bandwidth requirements, not IMHO anyway. Juicero anyone? It’ll be something out of the box, something that hasn’t been tried before. A bit like visi-calc, a spreadsheet for a home computer. A simple idea but before it was produced people where sort of wondering why you’d bother with a home computer; unless you were a nerd.
Actually, probably shouldn’t have stated ‘home computer’ as visi-calc was more a business application.
sibeen said:
Kothos said:Regarding the usage, you guys should remember we’re technically all dinosaurs here.
I can’t be arsed connecting my fridge to the Internet either, but on the other hand I only have half the time left on the planet compared to a kid just born.
It’s not things like connecting a fridge to the internet that’s going to drive increased bandwidth requirements, not IMHO anyway. Juicero anyone? It’ll be something out of the box, something that hasn’t been tried before. A bit like visi-calc, a spreadsheet for a home computer. A simple idea but before it was produced people where sort of wondering why you’d bother with a home computer; unless you were a nerd.
I reckon some kind of ultra high definition 3D TV.
sibeen said:
sibeen said:
Kothos said:Regarding the usage, you guys should remember we’re technically all dinosaurs here.
I can’t be arsed connecting my fridge to the Internet either, but on the other hand I only have half the time left on the planet compared to a kid just born.
It’s not things like connecting a fridge to the internet that’s going to drive increased bandwidth requirements, not IMHO anyway. Juicero anyone? It’ll be something out of the box, something that hasn’t been tried before. A bit like visi-calc, a spreadsheet for a home computer. A simple idea but before it was produced people where sort of wondering why you’d bother with a home computer; unless you were a nerd.
Actually, probably shouldn’t have stated ‘home computer’ as visi-calc was more a business application.
3D interactive gaming. Just have to get a movement protocol sorted.
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
Kothos said:Regarding the usage, you guys should remember we’re technically all dinosaurs here.
I can’t be arsed connecting my fridge to the Internet either, but on the other hand I only have half the time left on the planet compared to a kid just born.
It’s not things like connecting a fridge to the internet that’s going to drive increased bandwidth requirements, not IMHO anyway. Juicero anyone? It’ll be something out of the box, something that hasn’t been tried before. A bit like visi-calc, a spreadsheet for a home computer. A simple idea but before it was produced people where sort of wondering why you’d bother with a home computer; unless you were a nerd.
I reckon some kind of ultra high definition 3D TV.
be 4D.
JudgeMental said:
party_pants said:
sibeen said:It’s not things like connecting a fridge to the internet that’s going to drive increased bandwidth requirements, not IMHO anyway. Juicero anyone? It’ll be something out of the box, something that hasn’t been tried before. A bit like visi-calc, a spreadsheet for a home computer. A simple idea but before it was produced people where sort of wondering why you’d bother with a home computer; unless you were a nerd.
I reckon some kind of ultra high definition 3D TV.
be 4D.
I haven’t got time for that.
party_pants said:
JudgeMental said:
party_pants said:I reckon some kind of ultra high definition 3D TV.
be 4D.
I haven’t got time for that.
golf clap
If someone could get holographics off the ground, but that’s got to be years away as a household product.
sibeen said:
party_pants said:
JudgeMental said:be 4D.
I haven’t got time for that.
golf clap
sibeen said:
If someone could get holographics off the ground, but that’s got to be years away as a household product.
Imagine watching Carlton on Friday night footy in hologram. They might be a good team by then.
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
If someone could get holographics off the ground, but that’s got to be years away as a household product.
Imagine watching Carlton on Friday night footy in hologram. They might be a good team by then.
LOL. we’ll have home fusion reactors before then.
JudgeMental said:
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
If someone could get holographics off the ground, but that’s got to be years away as a household product.
Imagine watching Carlton on Friday night footy in hologram. They might be a good team by then.
LOL. we’ll have home fusion reactors before then.
mutters about 16 premierships
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
Kothos said:Regarding the usage, you guys should remember we’re technically all dinosaurs here.
I can’t be arsed connecting my fridge to the Internet either, but on the other hand I only have half the time left on the planet compared to a kid just born.
It’s not things like connecting a fridge to the internet that’s going to drive increased bandwidth requirements, not IMHO anyway. Juicero anyone? It’ll be something out of the box, something that hasn’t been tried before. A bit like visi-calc, a spreadsheet for a home computer. A simple idea but before it was produced people where sort of wondering why you’d bother with a home computer; unless you were a nerd.
I reckon some kind of ultra high definition 3D TV.
Virtual universes like those in ‘Ready Player One’ all from the comfort of your own lounge.
Witty Rejoinder said:
party_pants said:
I reckon some kind of ultra high definition 3D TV.
Virtual universes like those in ‘Ready Player One’ all from the comfort of your own lounge.
Yep. I’ve got a 360° 4K camera – VR files are enormous! I’d be surprised if you could play a high quality VR game on less than 1GB/Min.
There ya go – that sounds likely to me. High wuity graphical virtual universe would use enormous bandwidth and is essentially already possible with today’s technology. And it doesn’t have to be a game – it could be literally any kind of human aggregation.
https://www.afr.com/business/telecommunications/nbn-upgrade-necessary-and-likely-with-labor-government-20181231-h19kxi
JudgeMental said:
https://www.afr.com/business/telecommunications/nbn-upgrade-necessary-and-likely-with-labor-government-20181231-h19kxi
lol
Did anyone think the liberals would do it.
https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/6/18212742/5g-broadband-replacement-att-rural-connectivity
5G can’t fix America’s broadband problems
ChrispenEvan said:
https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/6/18212742/5g-broadband-replacement-att-rural-connectivity5G can’t fix America’s broadband problems
Things have always been tough in the bush.
ChrispenEvan said:
result paints a grim picture
NBN Co has released lacklustre first-half results for financial year 2018/19 and the spectre of the roll-out continuing into 2022 is now very real. NBN Co continues to struggle to connect customers in the numbers that it needs to improve its bottom line.
The NBN Co board was set the task of completing the National Broadband Network (NBN) in 2019 and ensuring that all fixed-line customers could receive download connection speeds of 50 Mbps or more. This promise was soon dumped for a requirement “of at least 25 megabits per second to all premises, and at least 50 megabits per second to 90 per cent of fixed line premises as soon as possible”.
Frankston still doesn’t have NBN, and I wouldn’t call that “remote”.
mollwollfumble said:
ChrispenEvan said:
result paints a grim picture
NBN Co has released lacklustre first-half results for financial year 2018/19 and the spectre of the roll-out continuing into 2022 is now very real. NBN Co continues to struggle to connect customers in the numbers that it needs to improve its bottom line.
The NBN Co board was set the task of completing the National Broadband Network (NBN) in 2019 and ensuring that all fixed-line customers could receive download connection speeds of 50 Mbps or more. This promise was soon dumped for a requirement “of at least 25 megabits per second to all premises, and at least 50 megabits per second to 90 per cent of fixed line premises as soon as possible”.
Frankston still doesn’t have NBN, and I wouldn’t call that “remote”.
I wonder how future proof it is, not very much if it’s inadequate now.
What happens when 8k quality streaming is desired or virtual reality chat rooms, etc and that’s just the general consumer market.
Future science projects are likely to require high data bandwidth as well, perhaps they will just do it locally
ChrispenEvan said:
result paints a grim picture
Mr Rue, following in the footsteps of former chief executive Bill Morrow, has carefully painted a lemon orange and presented it to the media in the hope that no-one will notice.
——
shakes head
And look.. they’ve misspelt RULE’s name..
I don’t think he’ll ever turn a profit.
> Future science projects are likely to require high data bandwidth as well
That’s a point. I wonder what future science that would be.
SKA for sure.
mollwollfumble said:
> Future science projects are likely to require high data bandwidth as wellThat’s a point. I wonder what future science that would be.
SKA for sure.
Yeah, many houses in Frankston are going to require access to the SKA data so they can perform some deep mathematical analysis.
mollwollfumble said:
> Future science projects are likely to require high data bandwidth as wellThat’s a point. I wonder what future science that would be.
SKA for sure.
Yes SKA was the example I was thinking of.
I imagine a localised extreme high speed network would be used for that project
The NBN labour proposed was the bare minimum really and they should have been aiming much higher and we got what seems as some cobbled together mess, probably need expensive ongoing fixes as well.
The hard part is laying down all the cables so why not go for really good quality and the highest speed available in the world and connect everything to the home or premises.
Its a major infrastructure and going cheap is just dumb, perhaps people with knowledge should have been the ones proposing and designed the project.
sibeen said:
mollwollfumble said:
> Future science projects are likely to require high data bandwidth as wellThat’s a point. I wonder what future science that would be.
SKA for sure.
Yeah, many houses in Frankston are going to require access to the SKA data so they can perform some deep mathematical analysis.
What I mean though is say you have a science lab that requires high data transfer between one location and another and your own LAN isn’t possible and you rely on the NBN or not rely on the NBN more to the point.
Your average house should be able to stream at least HD video on two or more devices at the same time and other people are browsing or listening to music without any lag for anyone and that should also probably include gaming as well
Anecdote only…
ISP (son): ring ring Hello Mr Satellite Broadband Customer. It’s your ISP here. We’ve detected some unusual traffic on your account.
Mr SBC: What? What?
ISP: Yes, your computer appears to have been hacked is being used as part of a bot-net…
Mr SBC: Oh, piss off! click
ISP pulls the plug….
Cymek said:
sibeen said:
mollwollfumble said:
> Future science projects are likely to require high data bandwidth as wellThat’s a point. I wonder what future science that would be.
SKA for sure.
Yeah, many houses in Frankston are going to require access to the SKA data so they can perform some deep mathematical analysis.
What I mean though is say you have a science lab that requires high data transfer between one location and another and your own LAN isn’t possible and you rely on the NBN or not rely on the NBN more to the point.
Your average house should be able to stream at least HD video on two or more devices at the same time and other people are browsing or listening to music without any lag for anyone and that should also probably include gaming as well
So 20 MBPS covers it then. Right, the NBN has you covered :)
Ian said:
Anecdote only…ISP (son): ring ring Hello Mr Satellite Broadband Customer. It’s your ISP here. We’ve detected some unusual traffic on your account.
Mr SBC: What? What?
ISP: Yes, your computer appears to have been hacked is being used as part of a bot-net…
Mr SBC: Oh, piss off! click
ISP pulls the plug….
Ha!
wookiemeister said:
from briefly installing the NBN it had a few fatal flaws1 : entering peoples houses – BAD , time consuming , they weren’t always there (around 30 percent of the time), a huge system of paperwork and workers to arrange times and dates of install
2 time consuming. you were often drilling into asbestos and god knows what whilst installing, using shitty little fastnings to secure what appeared to be some fairly fragile cable around the external and internal parts of the house
3: drilling more stuff. in queenslanders I’d need to very , very , very carefully use an ultra long drill bit to drill down through the skirting board and possibly through a structural beam and floorboard to allow a cable from underneath the house into the house
4 crawling around crappy places
5 workers very often took short cuts because it was time consuming, one fellah was just using plain old scissors to cut the fibre optic cable and installing it anywhere it was easier to install – like next to the kitchen sink
6 the nodes in the street are made from a flimsy fibre glass, if you gave it a good kick I reckon you could knock out an entire area
7 three pieces inside the house, the face plate for entry, the brains, the power board and battery
all three require three sets of drilling/ positioning/ screwing. the battery only lasts two hours so it means when power goes out that’s the end of the NBN
8 entering roof spaces to work ALONE, its too expensive for two people to install the NBN so most people work alone, in some cases the owner goes out so if something happens no one knows till the owner gets back
but what would I know, I only installed it and could see all of the problems and design glitches 9a heavy battery pack hanging on fragile and thin gyprock walls for example)
read that, cheers, and next post.
Alex will be here tomorrow with the lease etc for me to sign for the other place. I’ll ask him what’s the do with the National Broadband Network there.
Hopefully it’s already on tap.
Bubblecar said:
Alex will be here tomorrow with the lease etc for me to sign for the other place. I’ll ask him what’s the do with the National Broadband Network there.Hopefully it’s already on tap.
Have you been and looked at the house?
We’ve got FTTN here in Hamilton so apparently we are already outdated. And we didn’t have a choice, couldn’t stay on copper.
buffy said:
Bubblecar said:
Alex will be here tomorrow with the lease etc for me to sign for the other place. I’ll ask him what’s the do with the National Broadband Network there.Hopefully it’s already on tap.
Have you been and looked at the house?
No, I won’t get the keys until the day before I move (moving on 9th March).
buffy said:
We’ve got FTTN here in Hamilton so apparently we are already outdated. And we didn’t have a choice, couldn’t stay on copper.
Of course you don’t get the choice. All the copper connections get re-wired to the node. The homeowner or business owner does not own that part of the network. It used to belong to Telstra who on-sold it to NBN.
buffy said:
We’ve got FTTN here in Hamilton so apparently we are already outdated. And we didn’t have a choice, couldn’t stay on copper.
18 months is what’s quoted for when copper is shut off once NBN is available in your area.
buffy said:
We’ve got FTTN here in Hamilton so apparently we are already outdated. And we didn’t have a choice, couldn’t stay on copper.
Aren’t you still on copper, though?
Other choices might include satellite or mobile network.
Here, the mobile network is about ten times faster than the copper, and none of the NBN retailers are even willing to venture a guess on what speeds they might be able to deliver – But if house -> box and box -> exchange distances matter, I have no confidence it will be any faster than copper.
Rule 303 said:
buffy said:We’ve got FTTN here in Hamilton so apparently we are already outdated. And we didn’t have a choice, couldn’t stay on copper.
Aren’t you still on copper, though?
Other choices might include satellite or mobile network.
Here, the mobile network is about ten times faster than the copper, and none of the NBN retailers are even willing to venture a guess on what speeds they might be able to deliver – But if house -> box and box -> exchange distances matter, I have no confidence it will be any faster than copper.
FTTN still uses the copper lines from the building to the node/green box thing on the street.
VDSL (NBN) speeds drop significantly and dramatically as you get further from the node, if you’re over 400m line length from the node, you’re better off staying on ADSL2+…except you can’t, so suck on that.
I’m on NBN FTTN here at the new place and am getting around 50 MBPS. It’s sheer hell.
Actually I do have a complaint but that’s with the absolute shitty wifi modem that optus give you. A real piece of shit. I’ll get a new wifi router in the next week or two to fix that up.
poikilotherm said:
Rule 303 said:
buffy said:We’ve got FTTN here in Hamilton so apparently we are already outdated. And we didn’t have a choice, couldn’t stay on copper.
Aren’t you still on copper, though?
Other choices might include satellite or mobile network.
Here, the mobile network is about ten times faster than the copper, and none of the NBN retailers are even willing to venture a guess on what speeds they might be able to deliver – But if house -> box and box -> exchange distances matter, I have no confidence it will be any faster than copper.
FTTN still uses the copper lines from the building to the node/green box thing on the street.
VDSL (NBN) speeds drop significantly and dramatically as you get further from the node, if you’re over 400m line length from the node, you’re better off staying on ADSL2+…except you can’t, so suck on that.
Yeah, hmm… I have been served up bullshit in generous gobs by various ISPs and infrastructure providers about what they might be able to provide, including ADSL2+, and when.
Rule 303 said:
poikilotherm said:
Rule 303 said:Aren’t you still on copper, though?
Other choices might include satellite or mobile network.
Here, the mobile network is about ten times faster than the copper, and none of the NBN retailers are even willing to venture a guess on what speeds they might be able to deliver – But if house -> box and box -> exchange distances matter, I have no confidence it will be any faster than copper.
FTTN still uses the copper lines from the building to the node/green box thing on the street.
VDSL (NBN) speeds drop significantly and dramatically as you get further from the node, if you’re over 400m line length from the node, you’re better off staying on ADSL2+…except you can’t, so suck on that.
Yeah, hmm… I have been served up bullshit in generous gobs by various ISPs and infrastructure providers about what they might be able to provide, including ADSL2+, and when.
TPG and Aussie broadband seem to be the best according to ACCC reviews, but yeah it would suck to be forced off ADSL2+ and get something worse
Cymek said:
buffy said:We’ve got FTTN here in Hamilton so apparently we are already outdated. And we didn’t have a choice, couldn’t stay on copper.
18 months is what’s quoted for when copper is shut off once NBN is available in your area.
The 18 months ran out.
https://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2019/march/1551445200/michael-quigley/what-happened-broadband-australia
worth a read.
ChrispenEvan said:
https://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2019/march/1551445200/michael-quigley/what-happened-broadband-australiaworth a read.
I’ll have a go.
https://medium.com/@ants000/the-farce-of-nbns-technology-choice-program-94b05181fd19
USA but probably equally valid here
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2019/02/enough-5g-hype
https://thenewdaily.com.au/life/tech/2019/07/10/telco-consumer-complaints/
That cup of tea was sofa king good I’ve made another one.
https://theqlder.com/2019/05/11/how-the-liberals-sabotaged-the-nbn/
I hate the Tony Abbotts as much as anyone, but that article is complete crap isn’t it?
The Rev Dodgson said:
I hate the Tony Abbotts as much as anyone, but that article is complete crap isn’t it?
not really.
The Rev Dodgson said:
I hate the Tony Abbotts as much as anyone, but that article is complete crap isn’t it?
No, it’s exactly what happened, according to a source i have who was in Telstra at the time . There’s nothing that Murdoch says to do that the L/NP won’t go along with, especially if they can come up with a half-way plausible smokescreen for it.
The article doesn’t even mention the L/NP’s knee-jerk revulsion to anything that a Labor government initiates, causing their reflex action of ‘block it, hobble it, or, (preferably) destroy it’. Party/personal benefit before country, every time.
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
I hate the Tony Abbotts as much as anyone, but that article is complete crap isn’t it?No, it’s exactly what happened, according to a source i have who was in Telstra at the time . There’s nothing that Murdoch says to do that the L/NP won’t go along with, especially if they can come up with a half-way plausible smokescreen for it.
The article doesn’t even mention the L/NP’s knee-jerk revulsion to anything that a Labor government initiates, causing their reflex action of ‘block it, hobble it, or, (preferably) destroy it’. Party/personal benefit before country, every time.
But people have access to the Internet without the NBN. How does the NBN as implemented protect Murdoch’s printed press assets?
The fact that the article doesn’t mention the real reason for why they did it (it’s different to what the Labs proposed) is one of the reasons its complete crap.
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
I hate the Tony Abbotts as much as anyone, but that article is complete crap isn’t it?No, it’s exactly what happened, according to a source i have who was in Telstra at the time . There’s nothing that Murdoch says to do that the L/NP won’t go along with, especially if they can come up with a half-way plausible smokescreen for it.
The article doesn’t even mention the L/NP’s knee-jerk revulsion to anything that a Labor government initiates, causing their reflex action of ‘block it, hobble it, or, (preferably) destroy it’. Party/personal benefit before country, every time.
But people have access to the Internet without the NBN. How does the NBN as implemented protect Murdoch’s printed press assets?
The fact that the article doesn’t mention the real reason for why they did it (it’s different to what the Labs proposed) is one of the reasons its complete crap.
what is the real reason?
The Rev Dodgson said:
But people have access to the Internet without the NBN. How does the NBN as implemented protect Murdoch’s printed press assets?
people can access print media on a relatively slow service. video streaming requires a fast service. competition for Foxtel. as the article states.
The Rev Dodgson said:
How does the NBN as implemented protect Murdoch’s printed press assets?
It protects Murdoch’s print through the L/NP protecting themselves from Murdoch.
As the article says, the L/NP’s compliance with Murdoch benefited them by ensuring that the Murdoch press would treat them favourably, increasing the L/NP’s chances of staying in government.
A government that’s willing to comply with Murdoch’s desires is unlikely to make any changes that might threaten Murdoch’s grasp on print (or electronic) media in Australia. Unless they want to risk Murdoch punishing them by spruiking for the other side, come election time.
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
I hate the Tony Abbotts as much as anyone, but that article is complete crap isn’t it?No, it’s exactly what happened, according to a source i have who was in Telstra at the time . There’s nothing that Murdoch says to do that the L/NP won’t go along with, especially if they can come up with a half-way plausible smokescreen for it.
The article doesn’t even mention the L/NP’s knee-jerk revulsion to anything that a Labor government initiates, causing their reflex action of ‘block it, hobble it, or, (preferably) destroy it’. Party/personal benefit before country, every time.
But people have access to the Internet without the NBN. How does the NBN as implemented protect Murdoch’s printed press assets?
The fact that the article doesn’t mention the real reason for why they did it (it’s different to what the Labs proposed) is one of the reasons its complete crap.
It doesn’t require any particular conspiracy. The Coalition could be expected to oppose spending enough money for a decent NBN, and Murdoch could be expected to agree. Obviously it’s not surprising that their views often coincide and clearly they often work together, one way or another.
JudgeMental said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:No, it’s exactly what happened, according to a source i have who was in Telstra at the time . There’s nothing that Murdoch says to do that the L/NP won’t go along with, especially if they can come up with a half-way plausible smokescreen for it.
The article doesn’t even mention the L/NP’s knee-jerk revulsion to anything that a Labor government initiates, causing their reflex action of ‘block it, hobble it, or, (preferably) destroy it’. Party/personal benefit before country, every time.
But people have access to the Internet without the NBN. How does the NBN as implemented protect Murdoch’s printed press assets?
The fact that the article doesn’t mention the real reason for why they did it (it’s different to what the Labs proposed) is one of the reasons its complete crap.
what is the real reason?
What c_s said: The article doesn’t even mention the L/NP’s knee-jerk revulsion to anything that a Labor government initiates
As for the idea that ‘people have access to the Internet without the NBN’: one thing about the NBN is that, wherever it’s implemented, you have to go with the NBN. Your ADSL gets shut down, and that’s that. Maybe you could use dial-up (dunno for sure), but why would you bother, even if you could? The number of non-NBN internet users in Australia shrinks steadily, and will eventually be a ‘statistically insignificant’ number, whose problems and complaints can be easily ignored by government and Telstra.
The Rev Dodgson said:
JudgeMental said:
The Rev Dodgson said:But people have access to the Internet without the NBN. How does the NBN as implemented protect Murdoch’s printed press assets?
The fact that the article doesn’t mention the real reason for why they did it (it’s different to what the Labs proposed) is one of the reasons its complete crap.
what is the real reason?
What c_s said: The article doesn’t even mention the L/NP’s knee-jerk revulsion to anything that a Labor government initiates
The author possibly took it as read that everyone already understood that.
The Rev Dodgson said:
JudgeMental said:
The Rev Dodgson said:But people have access to the Internet without the NBN. How does the NBN as implemented protect Murdoch’s printed press assets?
The fact that the article doesn’t mention the real reason for why they did it (it’s different to what the Labs proposed) is one of the reasons its complete crap.
what is the real reason?
What c_s said: The article doesn’t even mention the L/NP’s knee-jerk revulsion to anything that a Labor government initiates
the whole tone of the article said that.
Bubblecar said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:No, it’s exactly what happened, according to a source i have who was in Telstra at the time . There’s nothing that Murdoch says to do that the L/NP won’t go along with, especially if they can come up with a half-way plausible smokescreen for it.
The article doesn’t even mention the L/NP’s knee-jerk revulsion to anything that a Labor government initiates, causing their reflex action of ‘block it, hobble it, or, (preferably) destroy it’. Party/personal benefit before country, every time.
But people have access to the Internet without the NBN. How does the NBN as implemented protect Murdoch’s printed press assets?
The fact that the article doesn’t mention the real reason for why they did it (it’s different to what the Labs proposed) is one of the reasons its complete crap.
It doesn’t require any particular conspiracy. The Coalition could be expected to oppose spending enough money for a decent NBN, and Murdoch could be expected to agree. Obviously it’s not surprising that their views often coincide and clearly they often work together, one way or another.
Yeah, that’s how I see it.
Coming up with silly conspiracy theories that don’t even make sense just entrenches support for the status quo.
captain_spalding said:
As for the idea that ‘people have access to the Internet without the NBN’: one thing about the NBN is that, wherever it’s implemented, you have to go with the NBN. Your ADSL gets shut down, and that’s that. Maybe you could use dial-up (dunno for sure), but why would you bother, even if you could? The number of non-NBN internet users in Australia shrinks steadily, and will eventually be a ‘statistically insignificant’ number, whose problems and complaints can be easily ignored by government and Telstra.
And how does that benefit Murdoch’s print assets?
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:
The Rev Dodgson said:But people have access to the Internet without the NBN. How does the NBN as implemented protect Murdoch’s printed press assets?
The fact that the article doesn’t mention the real reason for why they did it (it’s different to what the Labs proposed) is one of the reasons its complete crap.
It doesn’t require any particular conspiracy. The Coalition could be expected to oppose spending enough money for a decent NBN, and Murdoch could be expected to agree. Obviously it’s not surprising that their views often coincide and clearly they often work together, one way or another.
Yeah, that’s how I see it.
Coming up with silly conspiracy theories that don’t even make sense just entrenches support for the status quo.
LOL. Read anything over the last few years on the NBN and you’ll get the same “conspiracy”. Maybe that’s why i keep posting to this thread.
JudgeMental said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
JudgeMental said:what is the real reason?
What c_s said: The article doesn’t even mention the L/NP’s knee-jerk revulsion to anything that a Labor government initiates
the whole tone of the article said that.
No it bloody well didn’t.
JudgeMental said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:It doesn’t require any particular conspiracy. The Coalition could be expected to oppose spending enough money for a decent NBN, and Murdoch could be expected to agree. Obviously it’s not surprising that their views often coincide and clearly they often work together, one way or another.
Yeah, that’s how I see it.
Coming up with silly conspiracy theories that don’t even make sense just entrenches support for the status quo.
LOL. Read anything over the last few years on the NBN and you’ll get the same “conspiracy”. Maybe that’s why i keep posting to this thread.
this thread is 5 years old. go back and read all the links.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bubblecar said:
The Rev Dodgson said:But people have access to the Internet without the NBN. How does the NBN as implemented protect Murdoch’s printed press assets?
The fact that the article doesn’t mention the real reason for why they did it (it’s different to what the Labs proposed) is one of the reasons its complete crap.
It doesn’t require any particular conspiracy. The Coalition could be expected to oppose spending enough money for a decent NBN, and Murdoch could be expected to agree. Obviously it’s not surprising that their views often coincide and clearly they often work together, one way or another.
Yeah, that’s how I see it.
Coming up with silly conspiracy theories that don’t even make sense just entrenches support for the status quo.
‘Conspiracy theory’ it may be.
‘Silly’ is a subjective judgement.
‘Doesn’t make sense’ is not applicable.
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:
As for the idea that ‘people have access to the Internet without the NBN’: one thing about the NBN is that, wherever it’s implemented, you have to go with the NBN. Your ADSL gets shut down, and that’s that. Maybe you could use dial-up (dunno for sure), but why would you bother, even if you could? The number of non-NBN internet users in Australia shrinks steadily, and will eventually be a ‘statistically insignificant’ number, whose problems and complaints can be easily ignored by government and Telstra.And how does that benefit Murdoch’s print assets?
it isn’t about the print assets.
The Rev Dodgson said:
JudgeMental said:
The Rev Dodgson said:What c_s said: The article doesn’t even mention the L/NP’s knee-jerk revulsion to anything that a Labor government initiates
the whole tone of the article said that.
No it bloody well didn’t.
yeah, it did.
JudgeMental said:
JudgeMental said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Yeah, that’s how I see it.
Coming up with silly conspiracy theories that don’t even make sense just entrenches support for the status quo.
LOL. Read anything over the last few years on the NBN and you’ll get the same “conspiracy”. Maybe that’s why i keep posting to this thread.
this thread is 5 years old. go back and read all the links.
No thanks.
JudgeMental said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:
As for the idea that ‘people have access to the Internet without the NBN’: one thing about the NBN is that, wherever it’s implemented, you have to go with the NBN. Your ADSL gets shut down, and that’s that. Maybe you could use dial-up (dunno for sure), but why would you bother, even if you could? The number of non-NBN internet users in Australia shrinks steadily, and will eventually be a ‘statistically insignificant’ number, whose problems and complaints can be easily ignored by government and Telstra.And how does that benefit Murdoch’s print assets?
it isn’t about the print assets.
It mentions the print assets in the opening paragraphs.
The Rev Dodgson said:
JudgeMental said:
JudgeMental said:LOL. Read anything over the last few years on the NBN and you’ll get the same “conspiracy”. Maybe that’s why i keep posting to this thread.
this thread is 5 years old. go back and read all the links.
No thanks.
remain ignorant and believe your conspiracy’s then.
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:
As for the idea that ‘people have access to the Internet without the NBN’: one thing about the NBN is that, wherever it’s implemented, you have to go with the NBN. Your ADSL gets shut down, and that’s that. Maybe you could use dial-up (dunno for sure), but why would you bother, even if you could? The number of non-NBN internet users in Australia shrinks steadily, and will eventually be a ‘statistically insignificant’ number, whose problems and complaints can be easily ignored by government and Telstra.And how does that benefit Murdoch’s print assets?
It benefits Murdoch’s print assets by ensuring that there’s no introduction of policies or laws which might limit the degree of ownership of media, including print media, in Australia, or increase diversity of ownership in Australia. It ensures that Murdoch maintains his stranglehold.
JudgeMental said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
JudgeMental said:this thread is 5 years old. go back and read all the links.
No thanks.
remain ignorant and believe your conspiracy’s then.
No, I won’t do that either.
The Rev Dodgson said:
JudgeMental said:
The Rev Dodgson said:No thanks.
remain ignorant and believe your conspiracy’s then.
No, I won’t do that either.
LOL
I wasn’t suggesting that the article promotes any particular conspiracy theory. It doesn’t actually suggest there was criminal activity involved, just the Libs usual pandering to relevant mates and allies, and dressing it up as a “better option” than the genuinely better options.
If we have the NBN that Murdoch and Telstra cooked up to suit themselves, with the mercenary acquiesence of the L/NP government and with no alternative available to the majority of users, then problems for or complaints from the very small residue of non-NBN internet users can be ignored, and government will not feel sufficiently pressured to do anything to address the situation, which keeps Murdoch and Telstra happy.
Between them, Telstra and Murdoch could make a lot of trouble for an incumbent government when an election looms.
captain_spalding said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
captain_spalding said:
As for the idea that ‘people have access to the Internet without the NBN’: one thing about the NBN is that, wherever it’s implemented, you have to go with the NBN. Your ADSL gets shut down, and that’s that. Maybe you could use dial-up (dunno for sure), but why would you bother, even if you could? The number of non-NBN internet users in Australia shrinks steadily, and will eventually be a ‘statistically insignificant’ number, whose problems and complaints can be easily ignored by government and Telstra.And how does that benefit Murdoch’s print assets?
It benefits Murdoch’s print assets by ensuring that there’s no introduction of policies or laws which might limit the degree of ownership of media, including print media, in Australia, or increase diversity of ownership in Australia. It ensures that Murdoch maintains his stranglehold.
Rupert and his minions aren’t very good at strangleholds though: Nine bought Fairfax combining the previously seperated media companies involving print, tv and radio and poor Rupert only has print.
https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/the-privatisation-of-the-nbn,13046
https://www.theage.com.au/technology/no-home-broadband-for-a-year-the-house-the-nbn-forgot-20190920-p52tfd.html
https://independentaustralia.net/business/business-display/second-rate-nbn-isolates-people-everywhere,13135#.XYm826pPe6x.twitter
https://independentaustralia.net/business/business-display/nbn-offering-not-good-enough-for-21st-century-australia,13647
https://www.itnews.com.au/news/nbn-co-outlines-its-fear-of-cheap-broadband-538865
ChrispenEvan said:
https://www.itnews.com.au/news/nbn-co-outlines-its-fear-of-cheap-broadband-538865
ROFL.
We’re not going to give you the service you want, we’re the NBN.
sibeen said:
ChrispenEvan said:
https://www.itnews.com.au/news/nbn-co-outlines-its-fear-of-cheap-broadband-538865
ROFL.
We’re not going to give you the service you want, we’re the NBN.
yep. i don’t think a lot would go back to 12/5. i mean would people go back to dial-up just because it was cheaper? I do see the need for a cheap plan for those on a small income. also talking to my old clients they really could do with a very simple one purely because they aren’t big data users.
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/two-million-homes-to-get-access-to-nbn-fibre-to-the-home-in-3-5b-plan-20200922-p55y26.html
https://www.itnews.com.au/news/nbn-co-opens-instant-quote-generator-for-user-pays-fibre-upgrades-558412
so I thought I’d give it a go.
sorry no quote can be given at this time. please ring blah blah.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/nov/10/secret-figures-reveal-coalitions-cut-down-nbn-tech-three-times-more-expensive-than-forecast
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/may/26/nbn-co-staff-and-executives-paid-775m-in-cash-bonuses-in-2020
Now, there’s an explanation for this.
Y’see, this is the Coalition’s ‘cheaper’ version of a NBN.
Anyone who’s seen the movie ‘The Core’ will understand the principle behind it. In that movie, their subterranean ship was made of a metal for which the ‘scientist’ involved made the claim’the more you heat it the harder it gets!’
This obviously influenced the people behind the Coalition NBN, who adopted the principle that ‘the more money you spend on it the cheaper it gets!’
(If you’ve never seen ‘The Core’, it’s worth a look. But make sure that you have a large cushion on your lap, otherwise you may get rather bruised from your jaw dropping every few minutes at the absolute and utter tripe and twaddle spouted by ‘scientists’ in the film.)
Actually, i’m getting the shits with my NBN connection.
The blasted thing loses connection several times a day, sometimes for hours at a time, or otherwise the modem/router requires re-booting a few times a day.
I think it may because of the POS modem/router which the ISP supplied (a Huawei device). I know they’re not going to provide anything top-shelf, but this one is a few years old now, and i think it’s just been left behind in the performance stakes.
As well, i’m paying about $100 per month for this crap service.
Thinking of changing ISPs, and buying my own modem/router.
Opens full thread.
What? 14th November?
Oh 2014, that’s OK then.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Opens full thread.What? 14th November?
Oh 2014, that’s OK then.
I know. been going a while.
captain_spalding said:
Actually, i’m getting the shits with my NBN connection.The blasted thing loses connection several times a day, sometimes for hours at a time, or otherwise the modem/router requires re-booting a few times a day.
I think it may because of the POS modem/router which the ISP supplied (a Huawei device). I know they’re not going to provide anything top-shelf, but this one is a few years old now, and i think it’s just been left behind in the performance stakes.
As well, i’m paying about $100 per month for this crap service.
Thinking of changing ISPs, and buying my own modem/router.
We are with Telstra. When our IT bloke came out to check things for us because of a similar problem, he told us the modem we had should have been replaced as there had been known problems with it. It also didn’t have the capacity to swap to the 4G network if the system was in trouble, which was something my work NBN system came with (it was a stick, in the modem all the time). Mr buffy went into the Telstra shop and told them and they put in a repair order and the suppliers phoned Mr buffy and organized a new modem to come out to us. We had to return the old one. It did not cost us anything.
buffy said:
captain_spalding said:
Actually, i’m getting the shits with my NBN connection.The blasted thing loses connection several times a day, sometimes for hours at a time, or otherwise the modem/router requires re-booting a few times a day.
I think it may because of the POS modem/router which the ISP supplied (a Huawei device). I know they’re not going to provide anything top-shelf, but this one is a few years old now, and i think it’s just been left behind in the performance stakes.
As well, i’m paying about $100 per month for this crap service.
Thinking of changing ISPs, and buying my own modem/router.
We are with Telstra. When our IT bloke came out to check things for us because of a similar problem, he told us the modem we had should have been replaced as there had been known problems with it. It also didn’t have the capacity to swap to the 4G network if the system was in trouble, which was something my work NBN system came with (it was a stick, in the modem all the time). Mr buffy went into the Telstra shop and told them and they put in a repair order and the suppliers phoned Mr buffy and organized a new modem to come out to us. We had to return the old one. It did not cost us anything.
I’ve thought about asking the ISP for a new modem, but that means i’ll just end up with whatever minimum-expense bit of rubbish they’re dishing out these days.
I’ve seen a number of comments on line about NBN troubles, and when people get themselves a new modem (not an ISP ‘gift’), hey presto! it’s a new world of speed and reliability.
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:
captain_spalding said:
Actually, i’m getting the shits with my NBN connection.The blasted thing loses connection several times a day, sometimes for hours at a time, or otherwise the modem/router requires re-booting a few times a day.
I think it may because of the POS modem/router which the ISP supplied (a Huawei device). I know they’re not going to provide anything top-shelf, but this one is a few years old now, and i think it’s just been left behind in the performance stakes.
As well, i’m paying about $100 per month for this crap service.
Thinking of changing ISPs, and buying my own modem/router.
We are with Telstra. When our IT bloke came out to check things for us because of a similar problem, he told us the modem we had should have been replaced as there had been known problems with it. It also didn’t have the capacity to swap to the 4G network if the system was in trouble, which was something my work NBN system came with (it was a stick, in the modem all the time). Mr buffy went into the Telstra shop and told them and they put in a repair order and the suppliers phoned Mr buffy and organized a new modem to come out to us. We had to return the old one. It did not cost us anything.
I’ve thought about asking the ISP for a new modem, but that means i’ll just end up with whatever minimum-expense bit of rubbish they’re dishing out these days.
I’ve seen a number of comments on line about NBN troubles, and when people get themselves a new modem (not an ISP ‘gift’), hey presto! it’s a new world of speed and reliability.
We’ve had no problems with the replacement one. (This happened within the last year)
captain_spalding said:
buffy said:
captain_spalding said:
Actually, i’m getting the shits with my NBN connection.The blasted thing loses connection several times a day, sometimes for hours at a time, or otherwise the modem/router requires re-booting a few times a day.
I think it may because of the POS modem/router which the ISP supplied (a Huawei device). I know they’re not going to provide anything top-shelf, but this one is a few years old now, and i think it’s just been left behind in the performance stakes.
As well, i’m paying about $100 per month for this crap service.
Thinking of changing ISPs, and buying my own modem/router.
We are with Telstra. When our IT bloke came out to check things for us because of a similar problem, he told us the modem we had should have been replaced as there had been known problems with it. It also didn’t have the capacity to swap to the 4G network if the system was in trouble, which was something my work NBN system came with (it was a stick, in the modem all the time). Mr buffy went into the Telstra shop and told them and they put in a repair order and the suppliers phoned Mr buffy and organized a new modem to come out to us. We had to return the old one. It did not cost us anything.
I’ve thought about asking the ISP for a new modem, but that means i’ll just end up with whatever minimum-expense bit of rubbish they’re dishing out these days.
I’ve seen a number of comments on line about NBN troubles, and when people get themselves a new modem (not an ISP ‘gift’), hey presto! it’s a new world of speed and reliability.
Tamb said:
I have an NBN Sky Muster satellite connection. It generally only gives trouble when there is heavy cloud between the satellite & my dish.
The NBN comes from the sky
When the weather’s fine and dry
When the weather’s dark and wet
There will be no internet
captain_spalding said:
Tamb said:I have an NBN Sky Muster satellite connection. It generally only gives trouble when there is heavy cloud between the satellite & my dish.
The NBN comes from the sky
When the weather’s fine and dry
When the weather’s dark and wet
There will be no internet
buffy said:
captain_spalding said:
Actually, i’m getting the shits with my NBN connection.The blasted thing loses connection several times a day, sometimes for hours at a time, or otherwise the modem/router requires re-booting a few times a day.
I think it may because of the POS modem/router which the ISP supplied (a Huawei device). I know they’re not going to provide anything top-shelf, but this one is a few years old now, and i think it’s just been left behind in the performance stakes.
As well, i’m paying about $100 per month for this crap service.
Thinking of changing ISPs, and buying my own modem/router.
We are with Telstra. When our IT bloke came out to check things for us because of a similar problem, he told us the modem we had should have been replaced as there had been known problems with it. It also didn’t have the capacity to swap to the 4G network if the system was in trouble, which was something my work NBN system came with (it was a stick, in the modem all the time). Mr buffy went into the Telstra shop and told them and they put in a repair order and the suppliers phoned Mr buffy and organized a new modem to come out to us. We had to return the old one. It did not cost us anything.
Yup, Telstra supplied hardware is, and always has been, shit and most issues can be resolved by tossing it in the bin.
The last time I was on satellite broadband with 4G backup, the system was completely unreliable and never used the 4G backup. Several technician visits later, it ran perfectly and we realised the tech had just permanently enabled the 4G and didn’t even bother connecting the satellite hardware.
Dark Orange said:
buffy said:
captain_spalding said:
Actually, i’m getting the shits with my NBN connection.The blasted thing loses connection several times a day, sometimes for hours at a time, or otherwise the modem/router requires re-booting a few times a day.
I think it may because of the POS modem/router which the ISP supplied (a Huawei device). I know they’re not going to provide anything top-shelf, but this one is a few years old now, and i think it’s just been left behind in the performance stakes.
As well, i’m paying about $100 per month for this crap service.
Thinking of changing ISPs, and buying my own modem/router.
We are with Telstra. When our IT bloke came out to check things for us because of a similar problem, he told us the modem we had should have been replaced as there had been known problems with it. It also didn’t have the capacity to swap to the 4G network if the system was in trouble, which was something my work NBN system came with (it was a stick, in the modem all the time). Mr buffy went into the Telstra shop and told them and they put in a repair order and the suppliers phoned Mr buffy and organized a new modem to come out to us. We had to return the old one. It did not cost us anything.
Yup, Telstra supplied hardware is, and always has been, shit and most issues can be resolved by tossing it in the bin.
The last time I was on satellite broadband with 4G backup, the system was completely unreliable and never used the 4G backup. Several technician visits later, it ran perfectly and we realised the tech had just permanently enabled the 4G and didn’t even bother connecting the satellite hardware.
We are wireless NBN. Didn’t have any trouble for some years. Then the dropping out thing. We have been happy enough with the service. Mind you, we don’t stream much.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-16/labor-nbn-policy-federal-election/100625652
Bogsnorkler said:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-16/labor-nbn-policy-federal-election/100625652
Read that as non-policy :)
Or should that be :( ?
Shakes fist at the HFC gods!!!
sibeen said:
Shakes fist at the HFC gods!!!
Just imagine the speeds you’d be getting with glass.
Bogsnorkler said:
sibeen said:
Shakes fist at the HFC gods!!!
Just imagine the speeds you’d be getting with glass.
Yeah, I know; I could watch up to 5 movies in high definition simultaneously. I salivate at the thought.
sibeen said:
Shakes fist at the HFC gods!!!
Oh, what I wouldn’t give to have those kind of speeds. I sometimes hang awake at night dreaming of those kind of speeds…
sibeen said:
Bogsnorkler said:
sibeen said:
Shakes fist at the HFC gods!!!
Just imagine the speeds you’d be getting with glass.
Yeah, I know; I could watch up to 5 movies in high definition simultaneously. I salivate at the thought.
I think you are a little tired and delirious. go have a lay down.
sibeen said:
Shakes fist at the HFC gods!!!
Bubblecar said:
sibeen said:
Shakes fist at the HFC gods!!!
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-02/high-speed-internet-universal-service-obligation-legislation/12415512
Bogsnorkler said:
Bubblecar said:
sibeen said:
Shakes fist at the HFC gods!!!
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-02/high-speed-internet-universal-service-obligation-legislation/12415512
That’s a laugh.
>The new Statutory Infrastructure Provider (SIP) regime requires NBN Co and equivalent companies to provide a download speed of at least 25 megabits per second and an upload speed of 5Mbps during peak hours.
keeping this thread alive
https://www.afr.com/companies/telecommunications/the-nbn-was-born-mediocre-now-i-m-having-mediocrity-thrust-upon-me-20211213-p59h7m
JudgeMental said:
keeping this thread alivehttps://www.afr.com/companies/telecommunications/the-nbn-was-born-mediocre-now-i-m-having-mediocrity-thrust-upon-me-20211213-p59h7m
NBN has been decent for me, no dropouts I can remember and reasonable enough speeds, nothing compare it to though.
Not sure with such large distances to cover it would ever have been world class
Cymek said:
JudgeMental said:
keeping this thread alivehttps://www.afr.com/companies/telecommunications/the-nbn-was-born-mediocre-now-i-m-having-mediocrity-thrust-upon-me-20211213-p59h7m
NBN has been decent for me, no dropouts I can remember and reasonable enough speeds, nothing compare it to though.
Not sure with such large distances to cover it would ever have been world class
I am happy with my connection. does all I need.
JudgeMental said:
Cymek said:
JudgeMental said:
keeping this thread alivehttps://www.afr.com/companies/telecommunications/the-nbn-was-born-mediocre-now-i-m-having-mediocrity-thrust-upon-me-20211213-p59h7m
NBN has been decent for me, no dropouts I can remember and reasonable enough speeds, nothing compare it to though.
Not sure with such large distances to cover it would ever have been world class
I am happy with my connection. does all I need.
Bloody school holidays, I’m almost at a standstill.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/may/24/proposed-nbn-price-hikes-could-double-some-internet-bills-within-a-decade-accc-warns
https://thenewdaily.com.au/life/2022/10/05/nation-plummets-in-global-digital-index-as-expert-blames-poor-nbn-decisions/
captain_spalding said:
+1
If you do it, do it properly.
Tau.Neutrino said:
captain_spalding said:
+1
If you do it, do it properly.
But, FTTN was s-o-o-o-o much less expensive!
captain_spalding said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
captain_spalding said:
+1
If you do it, do it properly.
But, FTTN was s-o-o-o-o much less expensive!
Funny how that worked out wasn’t it
I regularly stream 3 different sports on three different screens all without an optic fibre making anywhere near my house.
sibeen said:
I regularly stream 3 different sports on three different screens all without an optic fibre making anywhere near my house.
So what score did you give them?
And WTF would you stream 3 different sports on three different screens?
Damn this is an old thread
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:
I regularly stream 3 different sports on three different screens all without an optic fibre making anywhere near my house.
So what score did you give them?
And WTF would you stream 3 different sports on three different screens?
Sometimes there are three different games on at the same time and I like to watch them all.
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:
I regularly stream 3 different sports on three different screens all without an optic fibre making anywhere near my house.
So what score did you give them?
And WTF would you stream 3 different sports on three different screens?
Sometimes there are three different games on at the same time and I like to watch them all.
Oh well, shouldn’t argue over matters of taste I suppose.
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:So what score did you give them?
And WTF would you stream 3 different sports on three different screens?
Sometimes there are three different games on at the same time and I like to watch them all.
Oh well, shouldn’t argue over matters of taste I suppose.
Imagine the swearing at three different games
Cymek said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:Sometimes there are three different games on at the same time and I like to watch them all.
Oh well, shouldn’t argue over matters of taste I suppose.
Imagine the swearing at three different games
The FUCK and FUCK OFFs must get a bit confusing at times.
This is what we get in Toowoomba:
Similar speeds from servers in Brisbane, Algeria, South Korea, Singapore, Spain.
Best ever download speed we’ve had was 45-46 Mbps.
My satellite nbn at the redoubt is good as gold and the government paid for it to be installed for free including a free dish and free setup by a chap who had driven miles to get there.
Sweet.
Peak Warming Man said:
My satellite nbn at the redoubt is good as gold and the government paid for it to be installed for free including a free dish and free setup by a chap who had driven miles to get there.
Sweet.
Gol’durn gubmint…
dv said:
Damn this is an old thread
I’m an old poster.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Cymek said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Oh well, shouldn’t argue over matters of taste I suppose.
Imagine the swearing at three different games
The FUCK and FUCK OFFs must get a bit confusing at times.
He has been known to get them the wrong way round, late at night when he’s tired and emotional.
Peak Warming Man said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Cymek said:Imagine the swearing at three different games
The FUCK and FUCK OFFs must get a bit confusing at times.
He has been known to get them the wrong way round, late at night when he’s
tired and emotionalpissed.
fixed.
Bogsnorkler said:
Peak Warming Man said:
The Rev Dodgson said:The FUCK and FUCK OFFs must get a bit confusing at times.
He has been known to get them the wrong way round, late at night when he’s
tired and emotionalpissed.
fixed.
“Tired and emotional” is a well-known euphemism for “pissed”.
Michael V said:
Bogsnorkler said:
Peak Warming Man said:He has been known to get them the wrong way round, late at night when he’s
tired and emotionalpissed.
fixed.
“Tired and emotional” is a well-known euphemism for “pissed”.
I know. I prefer blunt to wishy washy euphemisms!
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:
The Rev Dodgson said:So what score did you give them?
And WTF would you stream 3 different sports on three different screens?
Sometimes there are three different games on at the same time and I like to watch them all.
Oh well, shouldn’t argue over matters of taste I suppose.
It’s to prove he can multitask.
Short story
They should have only ever connected new houses where the cabling had conduit all ready to go.
I’d bet all those lead acid batteries I was talking about in 2014 have all died by now. The battery is installed on its side, that could be a problem for lead acid, the orientation of the cells is to my knowledge important.
The other option could have been to get the builder to create a manageable conduit path to run cable in it
wookiemeister said:
Short storyThey should have only ever connected new houses where the cabling had conduit all ready to go.
I’d bet all those lead acid batteries I was talking about in 2014 have all died by now. The battery is installed on its side, that could be a problem for lead acid, the orientation of the cells is to my knowledge important.
Of course they’ve died.
It’s like ink-jet printer cartridges. The replacement needs: that’s where the ongoing money is.
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
Short storyThey should have only ever connected new houses where the cabling had conduit all ready to go.
I’d bet all those lead acid batteries I was talking about in 2014 have all died by now. The battery is installed on its side, that could be a problem for lead acid, the orientation of the cells is to my knowledge important.
Of course they’ve died.
It’s like ink-jet printer cartridges. The replacement needs: that’s where the ongoing money is.
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/inside-an-australia-national-broadband-network-(nbn)-node/
Batteries look upright.
Bogsnorkler said:
captain_spalding said:
wookiemeister said:
Short storyThey should have only ever connected new houses where the cabling had conduit all ready to go.
I’d bet all those lead acid batteries I was talking about in 2014 have all died by now. The battery is installed on its side, that could be a problem for lead acid, the orientation of the cells is to my knowledge important.
Of course they’ve died.
It’s like ink-jet printer cartridges. The replacement needs: that’s where the ongoing money is.
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/inside-an-australia-national-broadband-network-(nbn)-node/
Batteries look upright.
Mines upright.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Bogsnorkler said:
captain_spalding said:Of course they’ve died.
It’s like ink-jet printer cartridges. The replacement needs: that’s where the ongoing money is.
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/inside-an-australia-national-broadband-network-(nbn)-node/
Batteries look upright.
Mines upright.
Due to their construction, the gel cell and AGM types of VRLA can be mounted in any orientation,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VRLA_battery
Bogsnorkler said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Bogsnorkler said:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/inside-an-australia-national-broadband-network-(nbn)-node/
Batteries look upright.
Mines upright.
Due to their construction, the gel cell and AGM types of VRLA can be mounted in any orientation,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VRLA_battery
https://www.nbnco.com.au/content/dam/nbnco/documents/NBN-power-supply-battery-backup-battery-specification.pdf
Bogsnorkler said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Bogsnorkler said:https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/inside-an-australia-national-broadband-network-(nbn)-node/
Batteries look upright.
Mines upright.
Due to their construction, the gel cell and AGM types of VRLA can be mounted in any orientation,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VRLA_battery
Yeah, on my drag-race bike, I laid a gel-cell battery on its side and had no problems at all.
I don’t have a battery on my NBN connection.
https://www.gadgetguy.com.au/nbn-to-roll-out-faster-multi-gigabit-speed-fibre-tech-under-nokia-deal/
https://johnmenadue.com/nbn-write-down-confirms-its-national-importance/
JudgeMental said:
All Is Lost In The Land Of The NBN
That link is broken. What’s this thread all about?
All I can comment is that the original NBN proposal was good, excellent. Then a change of government bastardised it by replacing the good technology of the original proposal with old slow outdated technology. I don’t know who were the idiots who voted that government in, but it wasn’t me. And NBN suppliers became forced by contract law to use copper cables because that was in the contract, rather than good technology. Even now, when it’s totally ridiculous to use hundred year old technology, the law says that new technology can’t be used.
So if the proposal is to allow NBN suppliers to use new technology, that’s a win for everybody.
mollwollfumble said:
JudgeMental said:
All Is Lost In The Land Of The NBNThat link is broken. What’s this thread all about?
just NBN stuff.
mollwollfumble said:
JudgeMental said:
All Is Lost In The Land Of The NBNThat link is broken. What’s this thread all about?
All I can comment is that the original NBN proposal was good, excellent. Then a change of government bastardised it by replacing the good technology of the original proposal with old slow outdated technology. I don’t know who were the idiots who voted that government in, but it wasn’t me. And NBN suppliers became forced by contract law to use copper cables because that was in the contract, rather than good technology. Even now, when it’s totally ridiculous to use hundred year old technology, the law says that new technology can’t be used.
So if the proposal is to allow NBN suppliers to use new technology, that’s a win for everybody.
Liberals without a clue on how any of it worked
Cymek said:
mollwollfumble said:
JudgeMental said:
All Is Lost In The Land Of The NBNThat link is broken. What’s this thread all about?
All I can comment is that the original NBN proposal was good, excellent. Then a change of government bastardised it by replacing the good technology of the original proposal with old slow outdated technology. I don’t know who were the idiots who voted that government in, but it wasn’t me. And NBN suppliers became forced by contract law to use copper cables because that was in the contract, rather than good technology. Even now, when it’s totally ridiculous to use hundred year old technology, the law says that new technology can’t be used.
So if the proposal is to allow NBN suppliers to use new technology, that’s a win for everybody.
Liberals without a clue on how any of it worked
Not one good idea from them, just waste taxpayers money on half building something and not building it properly.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Cymek said:
mollwollfumble said:That link is broken. What’s this thread all about?
All I can comment is that the original NBN proposal was good, excellent. Then a change of government bastardised it by replacing the good technology of the original proposal with old slow outdated technology. I don’t know who were the idiots who voted that government in, but it wasn’t me. And NBN suppliers became forced by contract law to use copper cables because that was in the contract, rather than good technology. Even now, when it’s totally ridiculous to use hundred year old technology, the law says that new technology can’t be used.
So if the proposal is to allow NBN suppliers to use new technology, that’s a win for everybody.
Liberals without a clue on how any of it worked
Not one good idea from them, just waste taxpayers money on half building something and not building it properly.
I reckon id all the liberals homes and give them just fibre to the node
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Cymek said:Liberals without a clue on how any of it worked
Not one good idea from them, just waste taxpayers money on half building something and not building it properly.
I reckon id all the liberals homes and give them just fibre to the node
And all the liberals that have fibre to the home will be forced to wind back to fibre to the node.
Cymek said:
mollwollfumble said:
JudgeMental said:
All Is Lost In The Land Of The NBNThat link is broken. What’s this thread all about?
All I can comment is that the original NBN proposal was good, excellent. Then a change of government bastardised it by replacing the good technology of the original proposal with old slow outdated technology. I don’t know who were the idiots who voted that government in, but it wasn’t me. And NBN suppliers became forced by contract law to use copper cables because that was in the contract, rather than good technology. Even now, when it’s totally ridiculous to use hundred year old technology, the law says that new technology can’t be used.
So if the proposal is to allow NBN suppliers to use new technology, that’s a win for everybody.
Liberals without a clue on how any of it worked
And yet I get nearly 500 MB download speed over a HFC (copper) cable. Amazing – it seems to work.
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:
Tau.Neutrino said:Not one good idea from them, just waste taxpayers money on half building something and not building it properly.
I reckon id all the liberals homes and give them just fibre to the node
And all the liberals that have fibre to the home will be forced to wind back to fibre to the node.
Liberal MP’s will have to use slower fibre to the node at parliament house to remind them how silly it was to slow people down.
sibeen said:
Cymek said:
mollwollfumble said:That link is broken. What’s this thread all about?
All I can comment is that the original NBN proposal was good, excellent. Then a change of government bastardised it by replacing the good technology of the original proposal with old slow outdated technology. I don’t know who were the idiots who voted that government in, but it wasn’t me. And NBN suppliers became forced by contract law to use copper cables because that was in the contract, rather than good technology. Even now, when it’s totally ridiculous to use hundred year old technology, the law says that new technology can’t be used.
So if the proposal is to allow NBN suppliers to use new technology, that’s a win for everybody.
Liberals without a clue on how any of it worked
And yet I get nearly 500 MB download speed over a HFC (copper) cable. Amazing – it seems to work.
Don’t you think it should all have been fibre to the home though.
Cymek said:
sibeen said:
Cymek said:Liberals without a clue on how any of it worked
And yet I get nearly 500 MB download speed over a HFC (copper) cable. Amazing – it seems to work.
Don’t you think it should all have been fibre to the home though.
How much would it have cost?
sibeen said:
Cymek said:
sibeen said:And yet I get nearly 500 MB download speed over a HFC (copper) cable. Amazing – it seems to work.
Don’t you think it should all have been fibre to the home though.
How much would it have cost?
About the same as it already has
Cymek said:
sibeen said:
Cymek said:Don’t you think it should all have been fibre to the home though.
How much would it have cost?
About the same as it already has
I cannot see how that could possibly be true.
sibeen said:
Cymek said:
sibeen said:How much would it have cost?
About the same as it already has
I cannot see how that could possibly be true.
Due to the current NBN going way over the estimated cost, yes I suppose the original network would likely have done the same but it would still be superior.
sibeen said:
Cymek said:
sibeen said:And yet I get nearly 500 MB download speed over a HFC (copper) cable. Amazing – it seems to work.
Don’t you think it should all have been fibre to the home though.
How much would it have cost?
That’s an open question. The half-hearted NBN we got ended up costing twice as much as expected.
Cymek said:
sibeen said:
Cymek said:About the same as it already has
I cannot see how that could possibly be true.
Due to the current NBN going way over the estimated cost, yes I suppose the original network would likely have done the same but it would still be superior.
I can sit at home and stream three different sports onto three different screen all at the same time. I don’t need superior. How many people need more that 50 MB/s, let alone the 500 MB/s that I currently have?
Witty Rejoinder said:
sibeen said:
Cymek said:Don’t you think it should all have been fibre to the home though.
How much would it have cost?
That’s an open question. The half-hearted NBN we got ended up costing twice as much as expected.
plus the ongoing cost of upgrades. plus fibre is cheaper now i believe. plus upgrading the stuff at the ends of the fibre is easier.
sibeen said:
Cymek said:
sibeen said:I cannot see how that could possibly be true.
Due to the current NBN going way over the estimated cost, yes I suppose the original network would likely have done the same but it would still be superior.
I can sit at home and stream three different sports onto three different screen all at the same time. I don’t need superior. How many people need more that 50 MB/s, let alone the 500 MB/s that I currently have?
we had dial-up to our paper bag int middle of road and were happy.
ChrispenEvan said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
sibeen said:How much would it have cost?
That’s an open question. The half-hearted NBN we got ended up costing twice as much as expected.
plus the ongoing cost of upgrades. plus fibre is cheaper now i believe. plus upgrading the stuff at the ends of the fibre is easier.
The fibre was always relatively cheap. It was the installation costs that were prohibitive.
sibeen said:
ChrispenEvan said:
Witty Rejoinder said:That’s an open question. The half-hearted NBN we got ended up costing twice as much as expected.
plus the ongoing cost of upgrades. plus fibre is cheaper now i believe. plus upgrading the stuff at the ends of the fibre is easier.
The fibre was always relatively cheap. It was the installation costs that were prohibitive.
and they came down fairly quickly I believe.
ChrispenEvan said:
sibeen said:
ChrispenEvan said:plus the ongoing cost of upgrades. plus fibre is cheaper now i believe. plus upgrading the stuff at the ends of the fibre is easier.
The fibre was always relatively cheap. It was the installation costs that were prohibitive.
and they came down fairly quickly I believe.
The majority of the installation costs was in the labour, so I don’t see how that was going to drop much.
The Gov installed satellite NBN at the redoubt for nothing including the dish and the modem, all I had to do was get a provider.
It works great.
Peak Warming Man said:
The Gov installed satellite NBN at the redoubt for nothing including the dish and the modem, all I had to do was get a provider.
It works great.
But it’s not FIBRE, is it.
sibeen said:
Cymek said:
sibeen said:I cannot see how that could possibly be true.
Due to the current NBN going way over the estimated cost, yes I suppose the original network would likely have done the same but it would still be superior.
I can sit at home and stream three different sports onto three different screen all at the same time. I don’t need superior. How many people need more that 50 MB/s, let alone the 500 MB/s that I currently have?
HFC is better than most NBN types. NBN does sell 1 Gbps speeds on some of it, where the coax is good enough. Although they say 1 Gbps speed, the fine print the NBN wholesale broadband agreement makes it clear it’s usually more 400 to 600 Mbps and very occasionally when everything lines up it can burst up to 990 Mbps.
However it is shared bandwidth, there is a single coax bundle running along a street so what everyone else is doing can affect your speed on it too. It’s also subject to issues at the HFC exchange, with outages fairly common. It also only has a single port, unlike FTTP or fixed wireless which has 4 ports on their NTDs so can support multiple services off one NTD.
I have had the NBN for 7 years.
Bogsnorkler said:
I have had the NBN for 7 years.
But I haven’t.
roughbarked said:
Bogsnorkler said:
I have had the NBN for 7 years.
But I haven’t.
it’s like rain.
Bogsnorkler said:
roughbarked said:
Bogsnorkler said:
I have had the NBN for 7 years.
But I haven’t.
it’s like rain.
apparently.
Bogsnorkler said:
roughbarked said:
Bogsnorkler said:
I have had the NBN for 7 years.
But I haven’t.
it’s like rain.
Tamb said:
Bogsnorkler said:
roughbarked said:But I haven’t.
it’s like rain.
Why is NBN RIP?
I have used it via satellite for years.
the OP story, now unavailable, was the reason. i guess. it was a long time ago.
Bogsnorkler said:
Tamb said:
Bogsnorkler said:it’s like rain.
Why is NBN RIP?
I have used it via satellite for years.the OP story, now unavailable, was the reason. i guess. it was a long time ago.
Bogsnorkler said:
I have had the NBN for 7 years.
Good
dv said:
Bogsnorkler said:
I have had the NBN for 7 years.
Good
yes, nary a problem.
The Rev Dodgson said:
JudgeMental said:
All Is Lost In The Land Of The NBNOptus won’t let me go to that link.
Just noticed how old it was.
Anyway, a guy digging a hole in the road tells me that we are getting fibre in our street soon.
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
JudgeMental said:
All Is Lost In The Land Of The NBNOptus won’t let me go to that link.
Just noticed how old it was.
Anyway, a guy digging a hole in the road tells me that we are getting fibre in our street soon.
always good to have some fibre.
Bogsnorkler said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Optus won’t let me go to that link.
Just noticed how old it was.
Anyway, a guy digging a hole in the road tells me that we are getting fibre in our street soon.
always good to have some fibre.
Helps keep things moving.
Bogsnorkler said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Optus won’t let me go to that link.
Just noticed how old it was.
Anyway, a guy digging a hole in the road tells me that we are getting fibre in our street soon.
always good to have some fibre.
Certainly increases the capacity for movement.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Bogsnorkler said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Just noticed how old it was.
Anyway, a guy digging a hole in the road tells me that we are getting fibre in our street soon.
always good to have some fibre.
Helps keep things moving.
so it does.