Envy of scientists and ignorance of their work is behind the muted reaction to the slashing of one in five jobs at the CSIRO.

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/a-visionary-pm-takes-on-the-eggheads-20141128-11v7vc.html

(video here check url)

Bloody CSIRO. What have they ever done for us? Besides inventing Wi-Fi and Aeroguard and gene shears? Well? Nothing, that’s what. Just polymer banknotes, and the microwave landing system at pretty much every airport in the world. Oh, and distance measuring technology for all the aircraft in flight on approach to those airports. All bloody useless really. Just like that damnable atomic absorption spectroscopy all the drug companies use to develop their stupid life-giving medicines.

Who do these clowns think they are, lounging around in their underpants and lab coats, expecting the poor old taxpayer to mop their enormous throbbing brows and carefully drop peeled grapes into their mouths?

I mean it’s not like the CSIRO invented anything normal people would use is it? No, those shiftless, greedy scientists are all about pie in the sky projects like the Relenza flu drug, and Softly detergent and the permanent pleat in your best strides. Who the hell needs any of that? It’s useless. All of it. But not as useless as the Parkes Radio Telescope or the rabbit calicivirus. That’s right. When the lazy, wasteful CSIRO isn’t absently stargazing, it murders rabbits. They deserve to have their funding slashed just for that.

Illustration: Glen Le Lievre
Illustration: Glen Le Lievre
It’s a good thing this government knows what’s good for us. While you were distracted by the 5 per cent cut to the ABC this week, Tony Abbott pressed home his attack on wasteful and confusing science by slashing one in five jobs at the CSIRO. That’ll teach those eggheads to waste money on inconvenient climate change research that could have been spent building more roads and funding bigger coalmines which, I don’t need to point out, have a solid, proven track record of actually affecting the world’s climate, unlike those useless buggers sitting around their good-for-nothing space telescope patting themselves on the back for killing rabbits and introducing foreign dung beetles into the country. Not just one or two, either. But 23 different species, all coming in here, eating our poop. The bludgers.

Yeah, you thought we’d forgotten about that, didn’t you, you beetle-smuggling bastards. If it wasn’t for you poop nerds our national paddocks would still be full of fresh cowpats and all you soon to be idle pointy-heads would have have some useful work to do for a change, with a shovel and a bit of elbow grease. Turns out you were too smart for you own good, didn’t it?

Not like the government which just cut your funding.

***

As much damage as Abbott has done to the ABC, it’s possible the harm he has done himself is much worse. The shameful joy of watching him twist in the gibbet has been almost too painfully exquisite to bear; all of the violent contortions, the “verbal gymnastics” as his own backbench very kindly put it, the PM croaking “efficiency dividend, it’s an efficiency dividend” while the basest, most common sort of village folk jeered and laughed and poked him with sharp, pointed tweets and humorous YouTube videos. What’s not to love?

It would all be such jolly good fun if it weren’t for the hundreds of decent men and women soon to be sitting at home looking at the mortgage and rent they can’t pay, the school fees which have become impossible, the futures squeezed off by a mean and deceitful claque of born-to-rule Tories who think nothing of debauching the Treasury for their own grotesque entitlements. It would all be a spiffing wheeze if the future could not be read in the entrails and offal that passes for most of the programming at Foxtel.

Did Abbott lie when he promised, the night before the election that there would be “no cuts to education, no cuts to health, no change to pensions, no change to the GST and no cuts to the ABC or SBS”? Just before he massively cut funding and raised the costs of health and education? And cut funding to the ABC and SBS? And fundamentally changed the pension system, making it likely that most people without a generous parliamentary super scheme will just have to work until they drop?

Look, in one sense, maybe not. Maybe, at that moment, he genuinely thought none of it would be necessary. For once he may just have spoken his tiny mind. Maybe he truly believed that his conservative regime would break the modern mould and resist the siren song of ideology and culture war. Perhaps Abbott honestly held this truth to be self-evident; that there was simply no way Rupert Murdoch and his slavering horde would expect that having fought so hard for an Abbott win, they could then gorge themselves on the spoils of victory. After all, what would Lord Ruprecht gain from a starved and crippled public broadcaster besides one less competitor to his multibillion-dollar broadcast empire? An empire whose tax refund could pay for the cuts to the ABC and SBS many times over.

That could all be true. Or, maybe having lied his way through the long, mad weeks of an election campaign, he just couldn’t help himself. Who can say?

If there is one upside to this for Abbott, it can only be that as wrong and twisted and dishonest as he looks when you stare at that bald broken promise – no, that series of broken promises – on election eve, poor Malcolm Turnbull looks even worse. He made no promises. He just had to break them.

Twitter: @JohnBirmingham

With apologies to Dropbear for the length of the title!

I am still strugglling to understand how taking 250 mil from science and putting it into chaplains will help.

Knowledge and wisdom are of no use in a time when there is none

wookiemeister said:

Knowledge and wisdom are of no use in a time when there is none

There is none around Tony Abbott, and there never will be

Worst PM ever

This govt wasn’t voted in. Labor was voted out.

Divine Angel said:

This govt wasn’t voted in. Labor was voted out.

Actually it was more than that. The current lot stole the election via gross manipulation via the media and blatant lies. Yep, lies.

I miss Labor. The soap opera between Gillard and Rudd was the most interesting thing about politics for the past 30 years.

Getting rid of the CSIRO is a structural thing really , labor and the liberals would have done the same thing whether it means people leaving of their own volition after being hounded out or directly being sacked

In wookiemeister economic theory the purpose of getting rid of the CSIRO is simple, it means all those dollars that could be spent at the CSIRO goes to private industry along with all the subsidies , industrial and employment and hence political power.

Normally what you do is put someone in that will run an existing organisation into the dirt by whatever means, you drive people out, sack them, destroy existing programmes that could rival private industry, gum the works up by creating more paperwork and hence more managers until nothing is workable. When you see businesses and organisations doing this a fifth column is at work. The new ASIO building is made from glass and has a chequered building history, after finally finishing the thing the plans of the building were transferred to china. When you add all these things up you conclude a fifth column is active.

Another sign is that key staff are being sacked or hounded out, these are the people that keep the thing alive, once you’ve got of key staff the the organisation is ready for a takeover.

When new managers are appointed they instinctively sacked and push out everyone below them apart from1/2 willing helpers – so it’s only necessary to employ new managers to do your dirty work for you. The agent working within will normally be in some high ranking position , will have created new positions and will have employed snakey people into those positions – attention is drawn to them – not you.

Once the rot has started there’s not much you can do but sack the entire management team and hope its been enough.

I wouldn’t worry about it there’s nothing you can do , labor will run it into the dirt as fast as the liberals in their own peculiar way so you’ll only causing yourself wasted time thinking about it.

ms spock said:

With apologies to Dropbear for the length of the title!

forget the length of the title, you should apologise for posting this crap

“As much damage as Abbott has done to the ABC”

5% cut,,,over 3 years

Two examples illustrate the ABC’s surreal approach to other people’s money. Example one: the ABC enterprise agreement, 2013-16, which covers an 8 per cent annual growth of wages and perks, including superannuation contributions of 17-20 per cent, more than double the rate of the private sector. The employment contract guarantees minimum 2.5-2.6 per cent pay rises every year. If you work Saturdays, you are paid time-and-a-half, Sundays is double time and public holidays double time-and-a-half. Then there are various allowances, for meals or television clothing, or if you live in an “isolated locality” — like Darwin. If you work in Kununurra you get an extra seven days annual leave.

Maternity leave is 14 weeks, adoption leave is six weeks and supporting partners’ leave is two weeks. You get paid leave to move house or for “special religious ceremonial or cultural obligations”.

There is study leave of up to five hours a week. Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander employees get a day’s paid leave each year to participate in NAIDOC Week.

All this and salaries which now outstrip their equivalents in the private sector.

Example two: in 2006, when Mark Scott was hired as ABC managing director, the 2005-06 annual report shows the salary to be about $430,000, including perks, ­although a rival contender for the job remembers the base salary ­offered at the time was more like $300,000.

Early in Scott’s reign, rumours were printed that he was in line for the BBC’s top job. Afraid of losing him, the board, then chaired by banker Maurice Newman, decided to give him a lavish pay rise of more than $200,000. They did this by ­reclassifying his position, making it one of the highest paid public service jobs in the country.

The 2013-14 annual report shows Scott’s salary now to be $805,392.

hahahahahaha

miranda devine and the telegraph.

too embarrassed to link?

Boris said:

hahahahahaha

miranda devine and the telegraph.

too embarrassed to link?

Are those figures and details wrong?

if it is devine then yes.

oh and the burden of proof on them being correct it up to her or TO.

:-)

Boris said:

if it is devine then yes.

Well I don’t know who it is. If it is not her are they then correct? Shooting the messenger can also hit you in the foot.

ms spock said:

With apologies to Dropbear for the length of the title!

Yes quite… Too long

until the primary source is shown then the default position, and seeing it is devine, remains “unproven”. but seeing who it is and their record then it is probably a beat-up.

Boris said:

until the primary source is shown then the default position, and seeing it is devine, remains “unproven”. but seeing who it is and their record then it is probably a beat-up.

Heheh, your default is you don’t even know who wrote it but you assume it is wrong.

Man wait til Bear sees this, you are going to cop it.

wtf are you on about? devine wrote it but what was her source. try and keep up as you just look like a dick when you do this.

Boris said:

wtf are you on about? devine wrote it but what was her source. try and keep up as you just look like a dick when you do this.

Sorry the “if it is Devine” threw me. And you sounded unsure. And do what? I just thought it funny to discount a story because of who wrote it when you were unsure who wrote it.

This what you are looking for?

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/miranda-devine-time-to-reload-on-abc-warrior-mark-scott/story-fni0cwl5-1227139424798

I must say, it’s a bit of a worry that iron ore is now down to 10c/tonne.

I’m not sure that even Gina can mine it at that price.

The Rev Dodgson said:

This what you are looking for?

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/miranda-devine-time-to-reload-on-abc-warrior-mark-scott/story-fni0cwl5-1227139424798

I must say, it’s a bit of a worry that iron ore is now down to 10c/tonne.

I’m not sure that even Gina can mine it at that price.

Oil prices in the shitter as well which makes the shoal oil problematic.

It’s a good thing Australia has invested heavily to become a renewable energy technology leader, otherwise it might have found it tough to weather the 21st century.

by primary source i mean where did she get the info she wrote about? i’ve seen the article she wrote. she is well known abc basher so while the info may be correct it is unlikely the whole story.

Boris said:

hahahahahaha

miranda devine and the telegraph.

too embarrassed to link?

Boris you moron. You have a hide to knock Divine while ignoring that tripe John Birmingham writes in the little read left wing junk paper the sydney morning herald.

at least i’m not ashamed to put the link in.

:-)

Boris said:

at least i’m not ashamed to put the link in.

:-)

not ashamed at all boris, believe me.

What do you believe in The_observer, you seem very anti-science

Cymek said:

What do you believe in The_observer, you seem very anti-science

You wont get anything deep from Observer

Cymek said:

What do you believe in The_observer, you seem very anti-science

god you talk crap cymek’

have you even read my posts on this thread?

CrazyNeutrino said:

Cymek said:

What do you believe in The_observer, you seem very anti-science

You wont get anything deep from Observer

pizza for one again tonight troll?

The_observer said:

Cymek said:

What do you believe in The_observer, you seem very anti-science

god you talk crap cymek’

have you even read my posts on this thread?

You dissed ms spock for posting an article condemning cuts to the CSIRO and you hate global warming for some reason perhaps it was mean to you at school

wattsupwiththis

interesting what you learn. and something to keep in mind when it’s used as a reference.

:-)

Cymek said:

The_observer said:

Cymek said:

What do you believe in The_observer, you seem very anti-science

god you talk crap cymek’

have you even read my posts on this thread?

You dissed ms spock for posting an article condemning cuts to the CSIRO and you hate global warming for some reason perhaps it was mean to you at school

right now,,, spock posted a rant from a left wing nutter in a lowly read left wing rag that is an over exaggeration on CSIRO & the ABC.

It was a pure anti Abbott rant & it’s low brow agenda is poor form for even this shit hole of a forum.

My posts were directed specifically at the ABC part, so has nothing to do with science in any case.

And “I hate global warming” ??? what the fuck does that even mean

get a life dude & stop posting crap

The_observer said:

Cymek said:

The_observer said:

god you talk crap cymek’

have you even read my posts on this thread?

You dissed ms spock for posting an article condemning cuts to the CSIRO and you hate global warming for some reason perhaps it was mean to you at school

right now,,, spock posted a rant from a left wing nutter in a lowly read left wing rag that is an over exaggeration on CSIRO & the ABC.

It was a pure anti Abbott rant & it’s low brow agenda is poor form for even this shit hole of a forum.

My posts were directed specifically at the ABC part, so has nothing to do with science in any case.

And “I hate global warming” ??? what the fuck does that even mean

get a life dude & stop posting crap

Why do you post here if you thinks its so crap.

Boris said:

wattsupwiththis

interesting what you learn. and something to keep in mind when it’s used as a reference.

:-)

what used as a reference??

Cymek said:

The_observer said:

Cymek said:

You dissed ms spock for posting an article condemning cuts to the CSIRO and you hate global warming for some reason perhaps it was mean to you at school

right now,,, spock posted a rant from a left wing nutter in a lowly read left wing rag that is an over exaggeration on CSIRO & the ABC.

It was a pure anti Abbott rant & it’s low brow agenda is poor form for even this shit hole of a forum.

My posts were directed specifically at the ABC part, so has nothing to do with science in any case.

And “I hate global warming” ??? what the fuck does that even mean

get a life dude & stop posting crap

Why do you post here if you thinks its so crap.

read what I post & work it out brainiac

The_observer said:

spock posted a rant from a left wing nutter

Now, now, John prefers to be called an ignorant lefty c***.

http://cheeseburgergothic.com./show/6123

The_observer said:

Cymek said:

The_observer said:

right now,,, spock posted a rant from a left wing nutter in a lowly read left wing rag that is an over exaggeration on CSIRO & the ABC.

It was a pure anti Abbott rant & it’s low brow agenda is poor form for even this shit hole of a forum.

My posts were directed specifically at the ABC part, so has nothing to do with science in any case.

And “I hate global warming” ??? what the fuck does that even mean

get a life dude & stop posting crap

Why do you post here if you thinks its so crap.

read what I post & work it out brainiac

No

he said why do you post here

and

I’m having salad and a cheese and spinach roll for tea

This title is terrible, on the iPad it means only five or so posts per page and much scrolling.

The_observer said:

Cymek said:

The_observer said:

right now,,, spock posted a rant from a left wing nutter in a lowly read left wing rag that is an over exaggeration on CSIRO & the ABC.

It was a pure anti Abbott rant & it’s low brow agenda is poor form for even this shit hole of a forum.

My posts were directed specifically at the ABC part, so has nothing to do with science in any case.

And “I hate global warming” ??? what the fuck does that even mean

get a life dude & stop posting crap

Why do you post here if you thinks its so crap.

read what I post & work it out brainiac

I do and it seems you basically have a go at anyone that posts anything you don’t like and paste long articles either supporting your view or condemning theirs interspersed with swearing and insults.

AwesomeO said:

This title is terrible, on the iPad it means only five or so posts per page and much scrolling.

looks ok on this 27 inch monitor

CrazyNeutrino said:

AwesomeO said:

This title is terrible, on the iPad it means only five or so posts per page and much scrolling.

looks ok on this 27 inch monitor

Would be ok inside but I am outside. Hope that helps.

CrazyNeutrino said:

AwesomeO said:

This title is terrible, on the iPad it means only five or so posts per page and much scrolling.

looks ok on this 27 inch monitor

actually there is lots of spare space, I could open three apps in separate windows and still be happy

Cymek said:

The_observer said:

Cymek said:

Why do you post here if you thinks its so crap.

read what I post & work it out brainiac

I do and it seems you basically have a go at anyone that posts anything you don’t like and paste long articles either supporting your view or condemning theirs interspersed with swearing and insults.

Oh yeh cymek,,, thats because global warming was mean to me at school

LOL fw

Cymek said:

The_observer said:

Cymek said:

Why do you post here if you thinks its so crap.

read what I post & work it out brainiac

I do and it seems you basically have a go at anyone that posts anything you don’t like and paste long articles either supporting your view or condemning theirs interspersed with swearing and insults.

That seems to be the case

People know better but they post long thread titles to ge funny, or smart, or something.its neither

Observer is a cu..a grub. Ignore it

The_observer said:

Cymek said:

The_observer said:

read what I post & work it out brainiac

I do and it seems you basically have a go at anyone that posts anything you don’t like and paste long articles either supporting your view or condemning theirs interspersed with swearing and insults.

Oh yeh cymek,,, thats because global warming was mean to me at school

Glad we got that cleared up..

CrazyNeutrino said:

AwesomeO said:

This title is terrible, on the iPad it means only five or so posts per page and much scrolling.

looks ok on this 27 inch monitor

is that 27” monitor sort of like an analogue for a friend?

do you offer it a slice of pizza & a glass of Bourgueil

Dropbear said:

Observer is a cu..a grub. Ignore it

did you make that up all by yourself drop kick?

The_observer said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

AwesomeO said:

This title is terrible, on the iPad it means only five or so posts per page and much scrolling.

looks ok on this 27 inch monitor

is that 27” monitor sort of like an analogue for a friend?

do you offer it a slice of pizza & a glass of Bourgueil

No, its a digital monitor

CrazyNeutrino said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

AwesomeO said:

This title is terrible, on the iPad it means only five or so posts per page and much scrolling.

looks ok on this 27 inch monitor

actually there is lots of spare space, I could open three apps in separate windows and still be happy

Well bully for you.

CrazyNeutrino said:

The_observer said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

looks ok on this 27 inch monitor

is that 27” monitor sort of like an analogue for a friend?

do you offer it a slice of pizza & a glass of Bourgueil

No, its a digital monitor

probably a blow up monitor

AwesomeO said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

looks ok on this 27 inch monitor

actually there is lots of spare space, I could open three apps in separate windows and still be happy

Well bully for you.

No, I’m not a bully, bullies are bad

CrazyNeutrino said:

AwesomeO said:

This title is terrible, on the iPad it means only five or so posts per page and much scrolling.

looks ok on this 27 inch monitor

Good to see everyone else’s tax dollars being put to good use…

The_observer said:

Dropbear said:

Observer is a cu..a grub. Ignore it

did you make that up all by yourself drop kick?

Yes he did, and no he’s not a drop kick

what used as a reference??

WUWT of course.

The_observer said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

The_observer said:

is that 27” monitor sort of like an analogue for a friend?

do you offer it a slice of pizza & a glass of Bourgueil

No, its a digital monitor

probably a blow up monitor

No its a thin one

you’re the one full of air

stumpy_seahorse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

AwesomeO said:

This title is terrible, on the iPad it means only five or so posts per page and much scrolling.

looks ok on this 27 inch monitor

Good to see everyone else’s tax dollars being put to good use…

Need a big monitor for digital art

CrazyNeutrino said:

AwesomeO said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

actually there is lots of spare space, I could open three apps in separate windows and still be happy

Well bully for you.

No, I’m not a bully, bullies are bad

Just so that can say you learnt something today.

Bully for you!
1. an expression that praises someone or someone’s courage. (Dated, but still heard.) The audience shouted, “Bravo! Bully for you!” Bob: I quit my job today. Sally: Bully for you! Now what are you going to do? Bob: Well, I need a little loan to tide me over.
2. a sarcastic phrase belittling someone’s statement or accomplishment. Bob: I managed to save three dollars last week. Bill: Well, bully for you! Mary: I won a certificate good for a free meal! Sally: Bully for you!
See also: bully
McGraw-Hill Dictionary of American Idioms and Phrasal Verbs. © 2002 by The McGraw-Hill Companies, Inc.
Bully for you! (informal)
something that you say when you do not think what someone has done deserves praise or admiration, although they think it does ‘I cleaned the whole house yesterday.’ ‘Bully for you!’
See also: bully
Cambridge Idioms Dictionary, 2nd ed. Copyright © Cambridge University Press 2006. Reproduced with permission.

CrazyNeutrino said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

looks ok on this 27 inch monitor

Good to see everyone else’s tax dollars being put to good use…

Need a big monitor for -digital art-*forumming*

*fixed

AwesomeO said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

AwesomeO said:

Well bully for you.

No, I’m not a bully, bullies are bad

Just so that can say you learnt something today.

Bully for you!
1. an expression that praises someone or someone’s courage. (Dated, but still heard.) The audience shouted, “Bravo! Bully for you!” Bob: I quit my job today. Sally: Bully for you! Now what are you going to do? Bob: Well, I need a little loan to tide me over.
2. a sarcastic phrase belittling someone’s statement or accomplishment. Bob: I managed to save three dollars last week. Bill: Well, bully for you! Mary: I won a certificate good for a free meal! Sally: Bully for you!
See also: bully
McGraw-Hill Dictionary of American Idioms and Phrasal Verbs. © 2002 by The McGraw-Hill Companies, Inc.
Bully for you! (informal)
something that you say when you do not think what someone has done deserves praise or admiration, although they think it does ‘I cleaned the whole house yesterday.’ ‘Bully for you!’
See also: bully
Cambridge Idioms Dictionary, 2nd ed. Copyright © Cambridge University Press 2006. Reproduced with permission.

The English Language is strange sometimes

:)

stumpy_seahorse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

Good to see everyone else’s tax dollars being put to good use…

Need a big monitor for -digital art-*forumming*

*fixed

Anyone can buy a big Monitor

Fixed

Boris said:

what used as a reference??

WUWT of course.

excellent site for a realistic view on the state of climate science.

What it has to do with this thread only a dickhead would know

The_observer said:

Boris said:

what used as a reference??

WUWT of course.

excellent site for a realistic view on the state of climate science.

What it has to do with this thread only a dickhead would know

Looks around, You’re the only dickhead here

http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/29/messages/114.html

Bully for you is a term indicating praise, sometimes with a hint of sarcasm but often not. At first sight it seems an odd use of “bully” until one realises that the word had a 16th century meaning of fine fellow, sweetheart which probably came from the middle Dutch Boele = Lover

James Briggs is absolutely correct. Bully as an adjective is used for “Excellent, first-rate,” according to the MWOD (Merriam-Webster’s Online Dictionary), and the example they give is, naturally, “bully for you.” It’s the most frequently heard phrase containing the word as an adjective except possibly “bully pulpit,” which uses the other meaning of bully, but as a noun used as an adjective (or so most people probably interpret it). I think most people probably associate the use of bully as an adjective with the era of Theodore Roosevelt; and the phrase “bully pulpit” is explicitly associated with him.

CrazyNeutrino said:

The_observer said:

Boris said:

what used as a reference??

WUWT of course.

excellent site for a realistic view on the state of climate science.

What it has to do with this thread only a dickhead would know

Looks around, You’re the only dickhead here

and you’re a friendless wanking porno watching druggie drunk freak

:)

The_observer said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

The_observer said:

excellent site for a realistic view on the state of climate science.

What it has to do with this thread only a dickhead would know

Looks around, You’re the only dickhead here

and you’re a friendless wanking porno watching druggie drunk freak

:)

Yeah yeah and eating pizza on my own standing on my head

The_observer said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

The_observer said:

excellent site for a realistic view on the state of climate science.

What it has to do with this thread only a dickhead would know

Looks around, You’re the only dickhead here

and you’re a friendless wanking porno watching druggie drunk freak

:)

Why the insults

Cymek said:

The_observer said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Looks around, You’re the only dickhead here

and you’re a friendless wanking porno watching druggie drunk freak

:)

Why the insults

crazy always starts it up with me cymek

Boris said:

wattsupwiththis

interesting what you learn. and something to keep in mind when it’s used as a reference.

:-)

About HotWhopper

I’m a sixties-something woman with an interest in climate science. I have a Bachelor of Agricultural Science (Honours) and an MBA and work as a freelance consultant.

wow, how bout that boris. Its telling, whose crap you like to read.

Miriam O’brien (also known as blogger Sou) creater of HotWhopper, was banished from WattsUpWithThat (WUWT) a couple of years ago for being a troll.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/11/21/introducing-a-new-blog-more-on-miriam-obriens-hotwhopper/

You seem to dislike the SMH Observer. Where do you go for the daily news?

Witty Rejoinder said:

You seem to dislike the SMH Observer. Where do you go for the daily news?

Peta Credlin’s Blog

Witty Rejoinder said:

You seem to dislike the SMH Observer. Where do you go for the daily news?

Many places, but I know what you’re gunning for WR -

Yes, my wife & I get the Tele delivered daily :)

The_observer said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

You seem to dislike the SMH Observer. Where do you go for the daily news?

Many places, but I know what you’re gunning for WR -

Yes, my wife & I get the Tele delivered daily :)

You’d be better of reading The Australian out of the Murdoch stable.

CrazyNeutrino said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

You seem to dislike the SMH Observer. Where do you go for the daily news?

Peta Credlin’s Blog

does she look good naked crazy?

would you like to bonk her?

Is there a blow up version of her for lonely guys, crazy?

Witty Rejoinder said:

The_observer said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

You seem to dislike the SMH Observer. Where do you go for the daily news?

Many places, but I know what you’re gunning for WR -

Yes, my wife & I get the Tele delivered daily :)

You’d be better of reading The Australian out of the Murdoch stable.

do you recommend it WR?

bump

The_observer said:

do you recommend it WR?

I’d certainly read it instead of the News Ltd tabloids.

The_observer said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

You seem to dislike the SMH Observer. Where do you go for the daily news?

Peta Credlin’s Blog

does she look good naked crazy?

would you like to bonk her?

Is there a blow up version of her for lonely guys, crazy?

No, No and No

I have a $30,000 Japanese sex robot looking like Eva Green

Witty Rejoinder said:

The_observer said:

do you recommend it WR?

I’d certainly read it instead of the News Ltd tabloids.

but The Australian is still owned by the evil Mr Burns Murdoch

In any case, there are a few too many lefties employed to write articles in the Tele for my liking.

Maybe I’ll give The Australian a go

CrazyNeutrino said:

The_observer said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Peta Credlin’s Blog

does she look good naked crazy?

would you like to bonk her?

Is there a blow up version of her for lonely guys, crazy?

No, No and No

I have a $30,000 Japanese sex robot looking like Eva Green

Batteries included? or is she nuclear

http://www.crikey.com.au/2007/06/26/crikey-bias-o-meter-the-newspapers/

The_observer said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

The_observer said:

does she look good naked crazy?

would you like to bonk her?

Is there a blow up version of her for lonely guys, crazy?

No, No and No

I have a $30,000 Japanese sex robot looking like Eva Green

Batteries included? or is she nuclear

Sex dolls go crazy, haven’t you heard of voomers

Boris said:

http://www.crikey.com.au/2007/06/26/crikey-bias-o-meter-the-newspapers/

MARGARET SIMONS WRITES:

Thanks to the dominance of News Limited and its gimlet-eyed boyo editors, the print media in Australia skews to the right: old fashioned, blokey, economically libertarian but socially conservative and mostly anti-intellectual.

LOL

People prefer reading Murdocks papers because they are balanced.

Sure, there are conservative journos employed by Murdoch’s Australian newspapers.

But unlike the ABC, who employ no conservatives to head their radio or television news & current affairs shows, Murdoch employs plenty of lefty journos.

Something for everyone

whether a journo is left or right shouldn’t affect what they write. this explains it…

https://newmatilda.com/2014/07/24/abc-biased-get-over-it

and in case you are going to use the ABC is biased argument.

http://www.crikey.com.au/2014/03/12/audits-clear-abc-of-bias-but-dont-expect-critics-to-listen/

the coalition even appointed one of the auditors.

:-)

and from a few years ago. though you never hear about this.

http://www.theage.com.au/business/study-finds-abc-bias-leans-towards-coalition-20090902-f8gm.html

:-)

Boris said:

whether a journo is left or right shouldn’t affect what they write. this explains it…

https://newmatilda.com/2014/07/24/abc-biased-get-over-it

and in case you are going to use the ABC is biased argument.

http://www.crikey.com.au/2014/03/12/audits-clear-abc-of-bias-but-dont-expect-critics-to-listen/

the coalition even appointed one of the auditors.

:-)

LOL

one left wing opinion site after another.

You’re a fan of them all

Boris said:

and from a few years ago. though you never hear about this.

http://www.theage.com.au/business/study-finds-abc-bias-leans-towards-coalition-20090902-f8gm.html

:-)

You’re as bent as any left winger can be.

Just have to read the addresses of every link you provide.

All lefty tripe

I’m middle of the road & in my opinion the ABC is as biased as it could possibly be.

The_observer said:

I’m middle of the road & in my opinion the ABC is as biased as it could possibly be.

If you find that you agree with most of what is published in the Daily Telegraph then you’re certainly not middle of the road. Just like the Fairfax press has a liberal bias, the Murdoch press has a conservative bias.

All left wingers reckon the ABC isn’t biased towards them.
In fact they are always out marching and yelling at bystanders to SAVE OUR ABC.

thing is i rarely watch abc. dr who and a doco, but not the news or the 7:30 report. listen to abc am in the car and the shed. apart from that i don’t listen to the radio. i read from all sorts of sources. depends on what gets linked to on FB.

but living in a rural location you come to appreciate the information that the abc provide. so i am all for saving the abc.

When the ALP/Greens were in power the ABC hardly said boo when thousands of refugees died under their policies.
When the Coalition came to power a couple of people made claims that they had minor burns to their hands inflicted by our navy.
The ABC was outraged, they threw everything at the story to try and nail the Abbott government, sent specialist investigative journalists to Indonesia, got into bed with the Guardian on the story and still came up with jack.

There’s your difference writ large.

same old same old pwm. got a different hymn sheet? now your mob are killing them slowly in detention and you say nothing. there is the difference writ large. you don’t car

Boris said:

same old same old pwm. got a different hymn sheet? now your mob are killing them slowly in detention and you say nothing. there is the difference writ large. you don’t car

Piss weak reply, probably your poorest effort so far.

as long as they die somewhere else you can have a clear conscious. funny thing is all the left wing people i read on fb all hate what australia is doing, and has done, to refugees. don’t hear that from the right wing. only hate from them.

Witty Rejoinder said:

The_observer said:

I’m middle of the road & in my opinion the ABC is as biased as it could possibly be.

If you find that you agree with most of what is published in the Daily Telegraph then you’re certainly not middle of the road. Just like the Fairfax press has a liberal bias, the Murdoch press has a conservative bias.

I voted for Hawk & Rudd

It’s not whether I agree or not, its facts I relate to.

This thread & so many other comments here are pure Abbott & Liberal Pary hate, as is shown by the content

The number of refugees in detention have come down dramatically under the Abbott government.

http://www.abc.net.au/tv/bigideas/stories/2014/11/21/4133386.htm

here you go pwm. educate yourself.

The_observer said:

I voted for … Rudd

Don’t worry. We’ve all done things that we come to regret in hindsight.

:-)

they are still there in atrocious conditions. and you say nothing about that. do you? only the same old same old. that is how much you care. to you it is just a political point to score.

Boris said:

but living in a rural location you come to appreciate the information that the abc provide. so i am all for saving the abc.

Does the ABC need saving Boris..

LOL, see, this is the mentality I speak of.

The ABC is coping a 5% cut Over three years.

They will still receive over a Billion dollar tax payer funding every year.

Need saving my anus

just like any other government body, there’s a hell of a lot waste & opulance at the ABC & more funding decreases are needed.

x-Radio National boss says sections of ABC ‘wasteful and unaccountable’ as Ultimo HQ put ‘in lockdown’ ahead of cuts announcement.

Former Radio National manager Louise Evans has lashed out at the culture inside the ABC station and said it demonstrated why there need to be cuts to the public broadcaster.

In an editorial in today’s Fairfax newspapers Evans, who lasted just six months as manager of the station amid rumours of tensions with senior producers and group program director for ABC Radio Michael Mason.

“I was shocked by the culture, waste, duplication and lax work place practices exercised in some pockets of Radio National,” wrote Evans. “I was even more shocked by the failure of the executive to want to do anything about it.”

Boris said:

same old same old pwm. got a different hymn sheet? now your mob are killing them slowly in detention and you say nothing. there is the difference writ large. you don’t car

same old with you son

Boris said:

they are still there in atrocious conditions. and you say nothing about that. do you? only the same old same old. that is how much you care. to you it is just a political point to score.

You fucking hypocrite.
You reserve your self righteousness and your feigned outrage only at conservative governments, you say nothing when the Left drown hundreds of them, you say nothing when they reopen Nauru, the very place yoy railed about.
You are typical of the left, you are not interested in refugeer welfare, you are only interested in how you can use them politically.

looks like an axe to grind.

Radio National manager Louise Evans moves to News Radio after just 6 months in role

The ABC’s Radio National is to look for a new boss after its manager Louise Evans “decided she does not wish to continue” after just six months in the role.

Evans, a former managing editor of The Australian, was appointed to the role in April however, radio boss Kate Dundas yesterday informed staff at the ABC that Evans had been asked “to work with NewsRadio for a period to assist Manager NewsRadio Helen Thomas to deliver one of the network’s key strategic priorities.”

Sources have told Mumbrella there was tension between the former managing editor of The Australian and group program director for ABC Radio Michael Mason.

In an email to staff, the ABC’s director of Radio Kate Dundas praised Evans, saying she had achieved much in a relatively short period of time but felt it was time to leave. “I am writing to let you know that Louise Evans has decided she does not wish to continue in the Manager role at Radio National.” Dundas said on Tuesday.

“While Louise has emphasised to me how much she has enjoyed her time with RN to date, the Manager’s role has not turned out to be one she wants to continue with over time. As such we both think it’s best for Louise to step aside now.”

ABC radio staff had been concerned the Evans appointment signalled more cuts at Radio National, which underwent a restructure last year.

The media industry was surprised by the appointment at the time given Evans had experience in print journalism rather than in radio and commercial media rather than public broadcasting.

When she appointed Evans, Dundas said she was an outstanding media professional who brought both senior editorial and leadership skills to the job.

“At The Australian she was instrumental in successfully leading staff, particularly through change processes as the organisation grappled with industry shifts.”

Michael Mason will act in the role until a new manager can be appointed.

http://mumbrella.com.au/radio-national-manager-louise-evans-moves-news-radio-just-6-months-role-188145

Boris said:

as long as they die somewhere else you can have a clear conscious. funny thing is all the left wing people i read on fb all hate what australia is doing, and has done, to refugees. don’t hear that from the right wing. only hate from them.

what Abbott “done to refugees”

yeah,saved a lot illegal boat people’s children from drowning & ruined the income of the low life people smugglers

Witty Rejoinder said:

The_observer said:

I voted for … Rudd

Don’t worry. We’ve all done things that we come to regret in hindsight.

:-)

Yep

don’t blow a gasket pwm. you sit there and stir shit then whine when it gets thrown back.

:-)

i’ve already addressed those points TO. try and keep up.

I have posted this before, the track record of Labor, mandatory detention, excising the mainland, no English or vocational education, not allowed to work, no dole, and never ever settle here, off you go to PNG. Labor has fucked over more refugees than the coalition have ever dared to.

and i’ve addressed that too curve.

Peak Warming Man said:

Boris said:

they are still there in atrocious conditions. and you say nothing about that. do you? only the same old same old. that is how much you care. to you it is just a political point to score.

You fucking hypocrite.
You reserve your self righteousness and your feigned outrage only at conservative governments, you say nothing when the Left drown hundreds of them, you say nothing when they reopen Nauru, the very place yoy railed about.
You are typical of the left, you are not interested in refugeer welfare, you are only interested in how you can use them politically.

Yep, when Labour came into power there were no children in detention.

There are now fewer children in detention than when labor finished ruining Australia & were sharfted

the main point here, as far as i am concerned, it not the politicians but the right or left wing public.

Boris said:

looks like an axe to grind.

you’ve never worked in a government department have you boris.

If you had you wouldn’t argue

Boris said:

and i’ve addressed that too curve.

I forgot, maybe you can do so again. It’s pretty hard to justify whilst trying to blame the coalition for being heartless. Labors record is clear.

Boris said:

i’ve already addressed those points TO. try and keep up.

yeah,saved a lot illegal boat people’s children from drowning & ruined the income of the low life people smugglers

Great job Scot Morrison & Abbott.

Showed labor how to do it as their shadow minister conceded

AwesomeO said:

I have posted this before, the track record of Labor, mandatory detention, excising the mainland, no English or vocational education, not allowed to work, no dole, and never ever settle here, off you go to PNG. Labor has fucked over more refugees than the coalition have ever dared to.

you won’t read about that at cricky, or get up, or the age, or the guardian etc

so Boris won’t believe it

Boris said:

the main point here, as far as i am concerned, it not the politicians but the right or left wing public.

Well it was Labor politicians that legislated fucking over refugees, not the public or the coalition. Labor.

Boris said:

the main point here, as far as i am concerned, it not the politicians but the right or left wing public.

my main point here is the OP is shite

Peak Warming Man said:

When the ALP/Greens were in power the ABC hardly said boo when thousands of refugees died under their policies.
When the Coalition came to power a couple of people made claims that they had minor burns to their hands inflicted by our navy.
The ABC was outraged, they threw everything at the story to try and nail the Abbott government, sent specialist investigative journalists to Indonesia, got into bed with the Guardian on the story and still came up with jack.

There’s your difference writ large.

while it’s obvious you are joking, it’s also fair to say that the ABC was very critical of the previous government (especially on their asylum seeker policies – I seem to remember quite a few “race to the bottom” style editorials), and rightly so.

Peak Warming Man said:

When the ALP/Greens were in power the ABC hardly said boo when thousands of refugees died under their policies.
When the Coalition came to power a couple of people made claims that they had minor burns to their hands inflicted by our navy.
The ABC was outraged, they threw everything at the story to try and nail the Abbott government, sent specialist investigative journalists to Indonesia, got into bed with the Guardian on the story and still came up with jack.

There’s your difference writ large.

You’re over-doing the irony again PWM.

Yes, I know what you wrote is such absolute crap that no-one could actually believe you really think that, but the fact is, some people really do think that.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Peak Warming Man said:

When the ALP/Greens were in power the ABC hardly said boo when thousands of refugees died under their policies.
When the Coalition came to power a couple of people made claims that they had minor burns to their hands inflicted by our navy.
The ABC was outraged, they threw everything at the story to try and nail the Abbott government, sent specialist investigative journalists to Indonesia, got into bed with the Guardian on the story and still came up with jack.

There’s your difference writ large.

You’re over-doing the irony again PWM.

Yes, I know what you wrote is such absolute crap that no-one could actually believe you really think that, but the fact is, some people really do think that.

I would suggest that PWM is proclaiming the the ABC presenters & reporters are much more critical of the Liberal government that they were of the previous Labor government.

And he is correct.

The_observer said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Peak Warming Man said:

When the ALP/Greens were in power the ABC hardly said boo when thousands of refugees died under their policies.
When the Coalition came to power a couple of people made claims that they had minor burns to their hands inflicted by our navy.
The ABC was outraged, they threw everything at the story to try and nail the Abbott government, sent specialist investigative journalists to Indonesia, got into bed with the Guardian on the story and still came up with jack.

There’s your difference writ large.

You’re over-doing the irony again PWM.

Yes, I know what you wrote is such absolute crap that no-one could actually believe you really think that, but the fact is, some people really do think that.

I would suggest that PWM is proclaiming the the ABC presenters & reporters are much more critical of the Liberal government that they were of the previous Labor government.

And he is correct.

And they are justified.

jjjust moi said:

The_observer said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

You’re over-doing the irony again PWM.

Yes, I know what you wrote is such absolute crap that no-one could actually believe you really think that, but the fact is, some people really do think that.

I would suggest that PWM is proclaiming the the ABC presenters & reporters are much more critical of the Liberal government that they were of the previous Labor government.

And he is correct.

And they are justified.

whats your problem?

Peak Warming Man said:

The number of refugees in detention have come down dramatically under the Abbott government.

September 2013

• 3,518 – Onshore detention
• 436 – Residential housing
• 3,241 – Community detention
• 22,947 – Bridging visas
• 1,186 – Offshore detention

September 2014

• 2,946 – Onshore detention
• 368 – Residential housing
• 3,068 – Community detention
• 24,775 – Bridging visas
• 2,200 – Offshore detention

difference since election

• total onshore & community detention down 11%
• bridging visas up 8%
• offshore detention up 85%
• total number in system up 6%

make of that what you will

sorry… ref here

https://www.immi.gov.au/About/Pages/detention/about-immigration-detention.aspx

Bubblecar said:

Since the discussion in that thread is off-topic anyway I don’t see why they can’t move it to Chat.

or not