The company that bottled the unpasteurised milk consumed by a child who later died has lashed out at the media and the government about the reaction to the death.

The organic food company Mountain View Farm Share, which produced “bath milk” that was drunk by a three-year-old with fatal consequences, said the tragedy would highlight the need to consume food without chemicals and antibiotics.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/12/raw-milk-company-lashes-out-at-health-officials-and-media-over-food-standards?CMP=share_btn_fb

i don’t see the connection between pasteurisation and chemicals. surely you can have milk that is pasteurised and is still organic? maybe they are worried the power to heat the milk comes from non-renewable sources.

Boris said:

i don’t see the connection between pasteurisation and chemicals. surely you can have milk that is pasteurised and is still organic? maybe they are worried the power to heat the milk comes from non-renewable sources.

It is almost as though they are pitiably ignorant of the topic that obsesses them.

dv said:

The company that bottled the unpasteurised milk consumed by a child who later died has lashed out at the media and the government about the reaction to the death.

The organic food company Mountain View Farm Share, which produced “bath milk” that was drunk by a three-year-old with fatal consequences, said the tragedy would highlight the need to consume food without chemicals and antibiotics.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/12/raw-milk-company-lashes-out-at-health-officials-and-media-over-food-standards?CMP=share_btn_fb

Seems an irresponsible reaction on their behalf. Most people overseas that don’t have access to pasteurised milk boil their milk realising that assists to reduce the health risks …. well from the regions my family members visited over the years and places they travelled, worked and lived in.

The producer of a product that killed a child because it was laden with harmful bacteria is lashing out at the authorities who try to prevent things like that from happening? And in doing so, pretty much exposes the fact that she knows that people buy her “cosmetic” “bath” milk to drink, because she believes that it’s healthier to drink raw milk?! Right…

Is bath milk intended for bathing and not drinking?

fresnel_chick said:

The producer of a product that killed a child because it was laden with harmful bacteria is lashing out at the authorities who try to prevent things like that from happening? And in doing so, pretty much exposes the fact that she knows that people buy her “cosmetic” “bath” milk to drink, because she believes that it’s healthier to drink raw milk?! Right…

Her opinion becomes irrelevant in an event I would easily imagine… as they’ll investigate have a finding and then most likely consider what prevention and reviews of regulations as a consequence at guess. Publicising the event is a good thing to highlight there is a genuine risk for consuming milk that isn’t pasteurised.

AwesomeO said:

Is bath milk intended for bathing and not drinking?

A legal way of selling the milk for consumption by labelling otherwise basically.

yes. maybe they are afraid of drowning if it’s pasteurised.

hard to know where they stand, reading that article.

The milk is labelled as unfit for human consumption, but it seems some parents are feeding it to their kids anyway in the belief that it is healthier. Seems it is being withdrawn from sale because some parents can’t be trusted not to misuse it. Hard to tell if the company is having a go at them, or having a go at the health authorities.

I looke dup commercial pasteurisation. They use 73°C for 15 seconds. What do fans of ‘raw’ milk think that does?

ratty one said:

dv said:

The company that bottled the unpasteurised milk consumed by a child who later died has lashed out at the media and the government about the reaction to the death.

The organic food company Mountain View Farm Share, which produced “bath milk” that was drunk by a three-year-old with fatal consequences, said the tragedy would highlight the need to consume food without chemicals and antibiotics.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/12/raw-milk-company-lashes-out-at-health-officials-and-media-over-food-standards?CMP=share_btn_fb

Seems an irresponsible reaction on their behalf. Most people overseas that don’t have access to pasteurised milk boil their milk realising that assists to reduce the health risks …. well from the regions my family members visited over the years and places they travelled, worked and lived in.

Western hippies and new agers are no longer exposed to people dying from minor infections, comunicable diseases and food poisoning. All of which were common before antibiotics, vaccinations and the humble fridge and tinned food.

party_pants said:

hard to know where they stand, reading that article.

The milk is labelled as unfit for human consumption, but it seems some parents are feeding it to their kids anyway in the belief that it is healthier. Seems it is being withdrawn from sale because some parents can’t be trusted not to misuse it. Hard to tell if the company is having a go at them, or having a go at the health authorities.

there is a market for the product and people want to drink the stuff.

AwesomeO said:

ratty one said:

dv said:

The company that bottled the unpasteurised milk consumed by a child who later died has lashed out at the media and the government about the reaction to the death.

The organic food company Mountain View Farm Share, which produced “bath milk” that was drunk by a three-year-old with fatal consequences, said the tragedy would highlight the need to consume food without chemicals and antibiotics.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/12/raw-milk-company-lashes-out-at-health-officials-and-media-over-food-standards?CMP=share_btn_fb

Seems an irresponsible reaction on their behalf. Most people overseas that don’t have access to pasteurised milk boil their milk realising that assists to reduce the health risks …. well from the regions my family members visited over the years and places they travelled, worked and lived in.

Western hippies and new agers are no longer exposed to people dying from minor infections, comunicable diseases and food poisoning. All of which were common before antibiotics, vaccinations and the humble fridge and tinned food.

gut bugs like rotorvirus was so common in Australia that spawned the need for the vaccine and childhood diseases still abound now… straying away from the topic though now.

ratty one said:

AwesomeO said:

Is bath milk intended for bathing and not drinking?

A legal way of selling the milk for consumption by labelling otherwise basically.

This is my understanding…

Mind you, folks being pitifully ignorant of topics that obsess them seems to be quite a trend these days.

Anti-pasteurisation… FFS, it is 2014. Why do we have these people?

Article from the Herald Sun

dv said:

Mind you, folks being pitifully ignorant of topics that obsess them seems to be quite a trend these days.

Anti-pasteurisation… FFS, it is 2014. Why do we have these people?

They looked good on the cupboard shelf?

Pasteurized Vs. Homogenized Milk: What’s The Difference?

Explainer: what is raw milk and why is it harmful?

Another way of putting it…

Boris said:

i don’t see the connection between pasteurisation and chemicals. surely you can have milk that is pasteurised and is still organic? maybe they are worried the power to heat the milk comes from non-renewable sources.

AFAIK, there are NO chemicals involved in the pasteurisation process. It’s just something that these nuts believe in.

“You can’t trust the government!”, “It’s a conspiracy!”, and what not…

dv said:

Mind you, folks being pitifully ignorant of topics that obsess them seems to be quite a trend these days.

Anti-pasteurisation… FFS, it is 2014. Why do we have these people?

Indeedy. It’s exactly the same as anti-vaxxers. Complete and utter whack-jobs, those sorts are!

fresnel_chick said:

Boris said:

i don’t see the connection between pasteurisation and chemicals. surely you can have milk that is pasteurised and is still organic? maybe they are worried the power to heat the milk comes from non-renewable sources.

AFAIK, there are NO chemicals involved in the pasteurisation process.

What about phlogiston.

sibeen said:

fresnel_chick said:

Boris said:

i don’t see the connection between pasteurisation and chemicals. surely you can have milk that is pasteurised and is still organic? maybe they are worried the power to heat the milk comes from non-renewable sources.

AFAIK, there are NO chemicals involved in the pasteurisation process.

What about phlogiston.

Say what now?

sibeen said:

fresnel_chick said:

Boris said:

i don’t see the connection between pasteurisation and chemicals. surely you can have milk that is pasteurised and is still organic? maybe they are worried the power to heat the milk comes from non-renewable sources.

AFAIK, there are NO chemicals involved in the pasteurisation process.

What about phlogiston.

I think the point DV was making is that the death occurred using “their” product not the alternative “pasteurised” product.

therefore their point is a moot point as their argument is based on no rational point of concern.

This one’s unfortunately a bit blurry. A text version is below.
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Customer:
22 September 2013

Hello. I’m just wondering whether the milk that is distributed to herd share owners is tested for any potential ‘nasty’ bacterias? Thanks.

Mountain View Farm Share:

Yes milk is tested weekly for bacteria, will be adding a lysteria test as well. Shultz’s recently had a positive lysteria test in their pasteurised milk not raw

Customer:

Thanks, do you know when you will be starting the listeria testing? I’m pregnant so I’d appreciate knowing that test has been done

Mountain View Farm Share:

Hi Sarah, I will let you know. I do prefer pregnant women not to use the milk. I have always been told avoid Liver Pate, soft cheeses, raw milk, and smoked meat

Customer:

OK thank you, we are keen to become herd share owners but perhaps in a few months time when we can all enjoy it. Really love what you’re doing and that there is this choice available.
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fresnel_chick said:

Oh. The crazy is strong in this one.

sibeen said:

fresnel_chick said:

Oh. The crazy is strong in this one.

Maybe, I am not convinced feeding animals antibiotics is a good thing.

Okay F_C.

I’ll amend my earlier benefit of the doubt to: Yep – they are nutters.

Cheese made from unpasteurised milk has a reputation for being tastier than pasteurised, because of the greater variety of bacteria. Amongst the batch of Xmas cheese I ordered from Bruny Island is their Raw Milk C2 (which I’ve already sampled ‘cos I got two wedges of it), one of Australia’s few unpasteurised cheeses, which they’re allowed to do presumably because it’s a cooked curds cheese. Certainly very tasty but not having a control, I don’t know how it would compare with a pasteurised cheese made the same way.

From SBS: Three-year-old child dies after drinking unpasteurised milk in Victoria

This article is quite lengthy, and I didn’t read all of it, I must admit…

Note the second post…

Article from The Age: Calls to ban raw milk after death of Melbourne toddler

Interpret that how you will…

>Mountain View Farm Share

These people need to be prevented from selling their milk, because they’re clearly advocating that it’s fit for drinking when it clearly isn’t.

Yoh -F_C

we get the picture

party_pants said:

Yoh -F_C

we get the picture

true dat

Sorry!

There’s more here if you want to read it.

I got a teensy bit carried away, huh?

fresnel_chick said:

Sorry!

There’s more here if you want to read it.

I got a teensy bit carried away, huh?

You done good.

ratty one said:

party_pants said:

Yoh -F_C

we get the picture

true dat

I’m yet to be convinced!

fresnel_chick said:

Sorry!

There’s more here if you want to read it.

I got a teensy bit carried away, huh?

Holds finger close together.

Just a little bit.

:D

fresnel_chick said:

Sorry!

There’s more here if you want to read it.

I got a teensy bit carried away, huh?

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You assume everyone is on facebook. Philistine!

I drank raw milk for years from a neighbour’s cows in my youth, but that really was very fresh. If these people are selling their milk commercially using transport and storage facilities & procedures that are designed for pasteurised products, it’s asking for trouble.

Bubblecar said:

I drank raw milk for years from a neighbour’s cows in my youth, but that really was very fresh. If these people are selling their milk commercially using transport and storage facilities & procedures that are designed for pasteurised products, it’s asking for trouble.

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The “cure” for asthma when I was a kid (60-70’s) , I was told was goats milk, tasted horrible and didn’t help. Neither did the weird yoga positioins.

tauto said:

Bubblecar said:

I drank raw milk for years from a neighbour’s cows in my youth, but that really was very fresh. If these people are selling their milk commercially using transport and storage facilities & procedures that are designed for pasteurised products, it’s asking for trouble.

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The “cure” for asthma when I was a kid (60-70’s) , I was told was goats milk, tasted horrible and didn’t help. Neither did the weird yoga positioins.

This fresh cow’s milk was delicious but I’d probably find it far too rich these days – been drinking skim milk for years :)

Bubblecar said:

tauto said:

Bubblecar said:

I drank raw milk for years from a neighbour’s cows in my youth, but that really was very fresh. If these people are selling their milk commercially using transport and storage facilities & procedures that are designed for pasteurised products, it’s asking for trouble.

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The “cure” for asthma when I was a kid (60-70’s) , I was told was goats milk, tasted horrible and didn’t help. Neither did the weird yoga positioins.

This fresh cow’s milk was delicious but I’d probably find it far too rich these days – been drinking skim milk for years :)

Richness depends a lot upon the various breeds of cow that are milked in different dairies in different locations. ie: Jersey cows produce a far richer creamier milk than Friesian.

tauto said:

You assume everyone is on facebook.

They all do.

Must have been weird for David Tennant, recording Gracepoint and Broadchurch in the same year. The former is basically a needless American version of the latter.

dv said:

Must have been weird for David Tennant, recording Gracepoint and Broadchurch in the same year. The former is basically a needless American version of the latter.

So it was a homogenised version?

dv said:

Must have been weird for David Tennant, recording Gracepoint and Broadchurch in the same year. The former is basically a needless American version of the latter.

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He might have drunk milk but I’m sure it didn’t lead to your sociopathy.

Bubblecar said:

I drank raw milk for years from a neighbour’s cows in my youth, but that really was very fresh. If these people are selling their milk commercially using transport and storage facilities & procedures that are designed for pasteurised products, it’s asking for trouble.

D’ya see the packaging of the ‘bath milk’ in those articles? It looked the same as that of ‘drinking milk’.
It’s probably handled much the same way as pasteurised milk in as far as going from the cow to your point of purchase, just without the pasteurisation (and possibly homogenisation, and testing for pathogens) taking place.

I dare say that drinking milk ‘straight from a cow’ would be a lot less dangerous, but the risk is still there, as pathogens enter the milk from the cow straight away.

E. coli appears naturally in cow faeces, so I’m guessing it would be easy enough to make its way onto a cow’s udders…

It’s reasonable to assume that the bacteria in the milk would multiply exponentially between it coming out of the cow, and reaching your fridge, if it wasn’t pasteurised…

I think I read that it takes just 10 E. coli ‘bugs’ to make a person sick.

tauto said:

fresnel_chick said:

Sorry!

There’s more here if you want to read it.

I got a teensy bit carried away, huh?

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You assume everyone is on facebook. Philistine!

I know not everyone is, that’s why I was C&Ping everything… :P

Mmmmmmmm… David Tennant and milk…

fresnel_chick said:

Bubblecar said:

I drank raw milk for years from a neighbour’s cows in my youth, but that really was very fresh. If these people are selling their milk commercially using transport and storage facilities & procedures that are designed for pasteurised products, it’s asking for trouble.

D’ya see the packaging of the ‘bath milk’ in those articles? It looked the same as that of ‘drinking milk’.
It’s probably handled much the same way as pasteurised milk in as far as going from the cow to your point of purchase, just without the pasteurisation (and possibly homogenisation, and testing for pathogens) taking place.

I dare say that drinking milk ‘straight from a cow’ would be a lot less dangerous, but the risk is still there, as pathogens enter the milk from the cow straight away.

E. coli appears naturally in cow faeces, so I’m guessing it would be easy enough to make its way onto a cow’s udders…

It’s reasonable to assume that the bacteria in the milk would multiply exponentially between it coming out of the cow, and reaching your fridge, if it wasn’t pasteurised…

I think I read that it takes just 10 E. coli ‘bugs’ to make a person sick.

Yes this is true, which is why we treat our milk in such ways. You can be unlucky drinking that lovely fresh milk. Though rarely these days, the problems still exist.

fresnel_chick said:

tauto said:

fresnel_chick said:

Sorry!

There’s more here if you want to read it.

I got a teensy bit carried away, huh?

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You assume everyone is on facebook. Philistine!

I know not everyone is, that’s why I was C&Ping everything… :P

It is OK. If we thought facebook had the answers to everything, we’d all join up.

fresnel_chick said:

Mmmmmmmm… David Tennant and milk…

Baldrick.

This is a post on another forum that I found quite informative…

http://forums.overclockers.com.au/showpost.php?p=16447508&postcount=114

Carmen_Sandiego said:

This is a post on another forum that I found quite informative…

http://forums.overclockers.com.au/showpost.php?p=16447508&postcount=114

And for anyone else who followed that link, the pooh poohing the farmer was doing about parasites was wrong – there is a definite one and it’s Not Nice. The offender in raw milk is cryptosporidiosis:

http://www.patient.co.uk/doctor/cryptosporidiosis