Date: 20/12/2014 14:52:39
From: CrazyNeutrino
ID: 649569
Subject: Will religion ever disappear?

Will religion ever disappear?

Atheism is on the rise around the world, so does that mean spirituality will soon be a thing of the past? Rachel Nuwer discovers that the answer is far from simple.

more….

so many people believe in fictional characters that do not exist, billions of them, billions of dumb people, wasting their time

hohoho

Merry Consumer Christmas

spend up

Make the 1 percent rich happy

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Date: 20/12/2014 15:35:47
From: transition
ID: 649577
Subject: re: Will religion ever disappear?

>..on the rise around the world

there be mechanisms of minds
not so easy given to mediation
control by CEO, maybe it blind
dig deep’n access’n to see ‘em
but changin’ be hard if you find
ideology, a grab’n ride problem
workin’s nothin’ of peculiar kind
like a brand of thinkin’ for some
gravitates mental states in time
converge’n‘m one they become
the illusion so of common type
for most though so is too dumb
a minority despite all their hype
attributin’, project great number
now, now, it you better not fight

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Date: 20/12/2014 15:50:44
From: CrazyNeutrino
ID: 649582
Subject: re: Will religion ever disappear?

transition said:


>..on the rise around the world

there be mechanisms of minds
not so easy given to mediation
control by CEO, maybe it blind
dig deep’n access’n to see ‘em
but changin’ be hard if you find
ideology, a grab’n ride problem
workin’s nothin’ of peculiar kind
like a brand of thinkin’ for some
gravitates mental states in time
converge’n‘m one they become
the illusion so of common type
for most though so is too dumb
a minority despite all their hype
attributin’, project great number
now, now, it you better not fight

ok, that’s nearly justified

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Date: 20/12/2014 16:01:47
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 649585
Subject: re: Will religion ever disappear?

CrazyNeutrino said:


transition said:

>..on the rise around the world

there be mechanisms of minds
not so easy given to mediation
control by CEO, maybe it blind
dig deep’n access’n to see ‘em
but changin’ be hard if you find
ideology, a grab’n ride problem
workin’s nothin’ of peculiar kind
like a brand of thinkin’ for some
gravitates mental states in time
converge’n‘m one they become
the illusion so of common type
for most though so is too dumb
a minority despite all their hype
attributin’, project great number
now, now, it you better not fight

ok, that’s nearly justified

All except line 12

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Date: 20/12/2014 18:21:12
From: Skeptic Pete
ID: 649606
Subject: re: Will religion ever disappear?

Where on earth did you get the impression that atheism is on the rise?

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Date: 20/12/2014 18:26:00
From: Bubblecar
ID: 649609
Subject: re: Will religion ever disappear?

Skeptic Pete said:


Where on earth did you get the impression that atheism is on the rise?

All the statistics show convincingly that religion is in long-term terminal decline in the First World.

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Date: 20/12/2014 18:30:36
From: Skeptic Pete
ID: 649611
Subject: re: Will religion ever disappear?

Bubblecar said:


Skeptic Pete said:

Where on earth did you get the impression that atheism is on the rise?

All the statistics show convincingly that religion is in long-term terminal decline in the First World.

The OP implied globally.

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Date: 20/12/2014 18:35:43
From: Postpocelipse
ID: 649612
Subject: re: Will religion ever disappear?

Skeptic Pete said:


Bubblecar said:

Skeptic Pete said:

Where on earth did you get the impression that atheism is on the rise?

All the statistics show convincingly that religion is in long-term terminal decline in the First World.

The OP implied globally.

The First World has pretty well replaced religion with reality tv. If we flooded the middle east with their own reality tv would they become at least a more docile religious?

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Date: 20/12/2014 18:40:57
From: Divine Angel
ID: 649613
Subject: re: Will religion ever disappear?

Their reality TV is splashed across media every time they behead someone.

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Date: 20/12/2014 18:43:36
From: Postpocelipse
ID: 649614
Subject: re: Will religion ever disappear?

Divine Angel said:


Their reality TV is splashed across media every time they behead someone.

The target audience does have it’s preferred material I suppose…

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Date: 20/12/2014 19:29:01
From: Arts
ID: 649622
Subject: re: Will religion ever disappear?

no

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Date: 20/12/2014 19:30:10
From: Arts
ID: 649623
Subject: re: Will religion ever disappear?

CrazyNeutrino said:


Will religion ever disappear?

Atheism is on the rise around the world, so does that mean spirituality will soon be a thing of the past? Rachel Nuwer discovers that the answer is far from simple.

more….

so many people believe in fictional characters that do not exist, billions of them, billions of dumb people, wasting their time

hohoho

Merry Consumer Christmas

spend up

Make the 1 percent rich happy

yes.. make these people happy…

http://www.ibtimes.com/pulse/yiwu-china-worlds-christmas-paraphrenalia-manufacturing-center-1751708#.VJUSybn2cWc.facebook

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Date: 20/12/2014 20:13:20
From: SCIENCE
ID: 649645
Subject: re: Will religion ever disappear?

no

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Date: 20/12/2014 20:28:39
From: Dropbear
ID: 649646
Subject: re: Will religion ever disappear?

SCIENCE said:


no

I agree .. New religions will take over from the old , even in the first world

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Date: 20/12/2014 20:29:32
From: party_pants
ID: 649647
Subject: re: Will religion ever disappear?

Arts said:


no

+2

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Date: 20/12/2014 22:28:23
From: dv
ID: 649676
Subject: re: Will religion ever disappear?

Answer to the Subject Line question:

Almost certainly. It has hard to see how religion would survive the decomposition of all matter and the heat death of the universe.

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Date: 20/12/2014 22:30:11
From: roughbarked
ID: 649679
Subject: re: Will religion ever disappear?

dv said:


Answer to the Subject Line question:

Almost certainly. It has hard to see how religion would survive the decomposition of all matter and the heat death of the universe.

Everything that comes into being immediately begins to break down.

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Date: 20/12/2014 23:48:00
From: Arts
ID: 649730
Subject: re: Will religion ever disappear?

dv said:


Answer to the Subject Line question:

Almost certainly. It has hard to see how religion would survive the decomposition of all matter and the heat death of the universe.

no

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Date: 20/12/2014 23:50:20
From: Bubblecar
ID: 649733
Subject: re: Will religion ever disappear?

The only reason I can suggest for religion not eventually dying out is if humans fail to continue evolving. In which case we’d presumably become extinct.

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Date: 20/12/2014 23:52:31
From: Arts
ID: 649735
Subject: re: Will religion ever disappear?

“A religion is an organized collection of beliefs, cultural systems, and world views that relate humanity to an order of existence”

wiki

not necessarily deity worshipping

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Date: 20/12/2014 23:53:53
From: Bubblecar
ID: 649737
Subject: re: Will religion ever disappear?

Arts said:


“A religion is an organized collection of beliefs, cultural systems, and world views that relate humanity to an order of existence”

wiki

not necessarily deity worshipping

That definition is unsound. Religions always contain supernatural elements that are centrally important to their cosmologies.

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Date: 20/12/2014 23:56:14
From: Arts
ID: 649740
Subject: re: Will religion ever disappear?

Bubblecar said:


Arts said:

“A religion is an organized collection of beliefs, cultural systems, and world views that relate humanity to an order of existence”

wiki

not necessarily deity worshipping

That definition is unsound. Religions always contain supernatural elements that are centrally important to their cosmologies.

tell wiki

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Date: 20/12/2014 23:59:13
From: Arts
ID: 649741
Subject: re: Will religion ever disappear?

also from wiki

There are numerous definitions of religion and only a few are stated here. The typical dictionary definition of religion refers to a “belief in, or the worship of, a god or gods” or the “service and worship of God or the supernatural”. However, writers and scholars have expanded upon the “belief in god” definitions as insufficient to capture the diversity of religious thought and experience.

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Date: 21/12/2014 00:00:01
From: Bubblecar
ID: 649742
Subject: re: Will religion ever disappear?

Arts said:


tell wiki

It’s their mess, let them clean it up :)

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Date: 21/12/2014 00:00:50
From: Bubblecar
ID: 649744
Subject: re: Will religion ever disappear?

Arts said:


also from wiki

There are numerous definitions of religion and only a few are stated here. The typical dictionary definition of religion refers to a “belief in, or the worship of, a god or gods” or the “service and worship of God or the supernatural”. However, writers and scholars have expanded upon the “belief in god” definitions as insufficient to capture the diversity of religious thought and experience.

There’s no God in Buddhism, but nonetheless plenty of supernatural hocus-pocus.

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Date: 21/12/2014 00:00:55
From: Arts
ID: 649745
Subject: re: Will religion ever disappear?

Bubblecar said:


Arts said:

tell wiki

It’s their mess, let them clean it up :)

chuckle

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Date: 21/12/2014 00:01:59
From: Arts
ID: 649746
Subject: re: Will religion ever disappear?

‘religion’ will always exist becaue the meaning of the word will always evolve… well until the decomposition of all matter and the heat death of the universe.

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Date: 21/12/2014 00:02:57
From: roughbarked
ID: 649747
Subject: re: Will religion ever disappear?

Arts said:


‘religion’ will always exist becaue the meaning of the word will always evolve… well until the decomposition of all matter and the heat death of the universe.

It is a habit and these are habit forming.

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Date: 21/12/2014 00:04:38
From: Bubblecar
ID: 649748
Subject: re: Will religion ever disappear?

Arts said:


‘religion’ will always exist becaue the meaning of the word will always evolve… well until the decomposition of all matter and the heat death of the universe.

Not necessarily. Many atheists aggressively reject any rehabilitation of the term, and atheism is the way of the future.

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Date: 21/12/2014 00:05:21
From: roughbarked
ID: 649749
Subject: re: Will religion ever disappear?

Bubblecar said:


Arts said:

‘religion’ will always exist becaue the meaning of the word will always evolve… well until the decomposition of all matter and the heat death of the universe.

Not necessarily. Many atheists aggressively reject any rehabilitation of the term, and atheism is the way of the future.

not while it contains the word.

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Date: 21/12/2014 00:07:46
From: party_pants
ID: 649752
Subject: re: Will religion ever disappear?

Arts said:


also from wiki

There are numerous definitions of religion and only a few are stated here. The typical dictionary definition of religion refers to a “belief in, or the worship of, a god or gods” or the “service and worship of God or the supernatural”. However, writers and scholars have expanded upon the “belief in god” definitions as insufficient to capture the diversity of religious thought and experience.

Oh good, I going to use that in the High Court one day.

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Date: 21/12/2014 00:09:53
From: dv
ID: 649754
Subject: re: Will religion ever disappear?

Arts said:


dv said:

Answer to the Subject Line question:

Almost certainly. It has hard to see how religion would survive the decomposition of all matter and the heat death of the universe.

no

No what?

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Date: 21/12/2014 00:10:18
From: Arts
ID: 649755
Subject: re: Will religion ever disappear?

Bubblecar said:


Arts said:

‘religion’ will always exist becaue the meaning of the word will always evolve… well until the decomposition of all matter and the heat death of the universe.

Not necessarily. Many atheists aggressively reject any rehabilitation of the term, and atheism is the way of the future.

I don’t think it is… I think atheism, like science, will be declared to stay 100 yards away from each other at all times. And live side by side

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Date: 21/12/2014 00:10:52
From: Arts
ID: 649756
Subject: re: Will religion ever disappear?

Arts said:


Bubblecar said:

Arts said:

‘religion’ will always exist becaue the meaning of the word will always evolve… well until the decomposition of all matter and the heat death of the universe.

Not necessarily. Many atheists aggressively reject any rehabilitation of the term, and atheism is the way of the future.

I don’t think it is… I think atheism, like science, will be declared to stay 100 yards away from *religion at all times. And live side by side

*fixed

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Date: 21/12/2014 00:11:07
From: Arts
ID: 649757
Subject: re: Will religion ever disappear?

dv said:


Arts said:

dv said:

Answer to the Subject Line question:

Almost certainly. It has hard to see how religion would survive the decomposition of all matter and the heat death of the universe.

no

No what?

no DV

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Date: 21/12/2014 00:12:43
From: roughbarked
ID: 649758
Subject: re: Will religion ever disappear?

Arts said:


dv said:

Arts said:

no


to perceuive
No what?

no DV

Now that would be horrendous to perceive.

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Date: 21/12/2014 00:14:43
From: Arts
ID: 649759
Subject: re: Will religion ever disappear?

you’re right…. a world without DV is a world without

here, have a comma… ,

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Date: 21/12/2014 00:20:04
From: dv
ID: 649760
Subject: re: Will religion ever disappear?

Arts said:


dv said:

Arts said:

no

No what?

no DV

But there IS a DV.

However, even DV will not survive the heat death. There’ll be no religion, no DV, nothing but photons.

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Date: 21/12/2014 00:21:02
From: kii
ID: 649761
Subject: re: Will religion ever disappear?

My very unprofessional POV is that as mental health care improves, I mean IF – not as, then religion could go the fuck away. Religion as part of the praying to sky pixies, believing that doing confessions will make it okay that you’ve done or said something dreadful….that type of thing. Relying on some old stories that explained stuff because the people of the time didn’t understand about things like science and stuff.

I might wake up soon and add to this list :P

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Date: 21/12/2014 00:39:32
From: roughbarked
ID: 649766
Subject: re: Will religion ever disappear?

kii said:


My very unprofessional POV is that as mental health care improves, I mean IF – not as, then religion could go the fuck away. Religion as part of the praying to sky pixies, believing that doing confessions will make it okay that you’ve done or said something dreadful….that type of thing. Relying on some old stories that explained stuff because the people of the time didn’t understand about things like science and stuff.

I might wake up soon and add to this list :P

How in God’s name do you ever expect mental health care to actually improve?

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Date: 21/12/2014 00:42:42
From: kii
ID: 649768
Subject: re: Will religion ever disappear?

roughbarked said:


kii said:

My very unprofessional POV is that as mental health care improves, I mean IF – not as, then religion could go the fuck away. Religion as part of the praying to sky pixies, believing that doing confessions will make it okay that you’ve done or said something dreadful….that type of thing. Relying on some old stories that explained stuff because the people of the time didn’t understand about things like science and stuff.

I might wake up soon and add to this list :P

How in God’s name do you ever expect mental health care to actually improve?

I told you…I was half asleep then.

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Date: 21/12/2014 00:51:19
From: roughbarked
ID: 649770
Subject: re: Will religion ever disappear?

kii said:


roughbarked said:

kii said:

My very unprofessional POV is that as mental health care improves, I mean IF – not as, then religion could go the fuck away. Religion as part of the praying to sky pixies, believing that doing confessions will make it okay that you’ve done or said something dreadful….that type of thing. Relying on some old stories that explained stuff because the people of the time didn’t understand about things like science and stuff.

I might wake up soon and add to this list :P

How in God’s name do you ever expect mental health care to actually improve?

I told you…I was half asleep then.

Still, it is on the wish list.

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Date: 21/12/2014 01:54:52
From: Arts
ID: 649793
Subject: re: Will religion ever disappear?

we have to have religion.. or all those priest, rabbi and minister jokes are useless

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Date: 21/12/2014 01:55:57
From: dv
ID: 649794
Subject: re: Will religion ever disappear?

There will be no jokes after the heat death

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Date: 21/12/2014 01:57:22
From: kii
ID: 649795
Subject: re: Will religion ever disappear?

Humans will make jokes about the old days…when priests etc held power.

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Date: 21/12/2014 01:58:22
From: party_pants
ID: 649797
Subject: re: Will religion ever disappear?

Arts said:


we have to have religion.. or all those priest, rabbi and minister jokes are useless

Children could be taught about them in school, just so they could understand the jokes.

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Date: 21/12/2014 01:58:52
From: dv
ID: 649798
Subject: re: Will religion ever disappear?

kii said:


Humans will make jokes about the old days…when priests etc held power.

They will make jokes about the old days when matter existed.

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Date: 21/12/2014 02:01:14
From: dv
ID: 649800
Subject: re: Will religion ever disappear?

party_pants said:


Arts said:

we have to have religion.. or all those priest, rabbi and minister jokes are useless

Children could be taught about them in school, just so they could understand the jokes.

A chicken was a kind of domesticated bird with poor flying ability, and an Irishman was a person from Ireland, an island nation to the west of Europe. A nation was a quasi independent governmental area and islands were areas of land surrounded by sea, which was basically salty water, a common covalent oxide.

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Date: 21/12/2014 02:01:22
From: Arts
ID: 649801
Subject: re: Will religion ever disappear?

I do not want to be in a world with heat death and no jokes

(during the meltdown) it’s like a sauna in here

too soon, dude, too soon.

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Date: 21/12/2014 02:09:02
From: kii
ID: 649812
Subject: re: Will religion ever disappear?

party_pants said:


Arts said:

we have to have religion.. or all those priest, rabbi and minister jokes are useless

Children could be taught about them in school, just so they could understand the jokes.

Museums will have displays of the costumes worn by the high priests with explanations about the poor having no food, but the priests had fancy clothes and lots of land.

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Date: 28/12/2014 11:39:19
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 652490
Subject: re: Will religion ever disappear?

Religion will survive for as long as people enjoy fiction. Every successful work of fiction becomes part of a religion over time.

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Date: 28/12/2014 11:45:10
From: roughbarked
ID: 652494
Subject: re: Will religion ever disappear?

mollwollfumble said:


Religion will survive for as long as people enjoy fiction. Every successful work of fiction becomes part of a religion over time.

habit forming.

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Date: 28/12/2014 11:48:20
From: Tamb
ID: 652495
Subject: re: Will religion ever disappear?

roughbarked said:


mollwollfumble said:

Religion will survive for as long as people enjoy fiction. Every successful work of fiction becomes part of a religion over time.

habit forming.

Isn’t that how nuns are made?

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Date: 28/12/2014 11:59:26
From: roughbarked
ID: 652499
Subject: re: Will religion ever disappear?

Tamb said:


roughbarked said:

mollwollfumble said:

Religion will survive for as long as people enjoy fiction. Every successful work of fiction becomes part of a religion over time.

habit forming.

Isn’t that how nuns are made?

religiously.

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