I think I want one

)

Just need to figure out how to procure: $91,400 to $119,900

http://www.teslamotors.com/en_AU/models/specs

0 > 100km/h in 3.4 seconds

:D

It is alright, but I can’t help thinking that the design is too conventional. I accept that my have been deliberate so as not to scare the horses. But with no engine up front, no need for a radiator the designers could have been allowed a bit more latitude.

Aquila said:

Just need to figure out how to procure: $91,400 to $119,900

Don’t forget to tell me how, when you work it out.

AwesomeO said:

It is alright, but I can’t help thinking that the design is too conventional. I accept that my have been deliberate so as not to scare the horses. But with no engine up front, no need for a radiator the designers could have been allowed a bit more latitude.

yeah, I guess they could have more scope in regard to body design aerodynamics

captain_spalding said:

Aquila said:

Just need to figure out how to procure: $91,400 to $119,900

Don’t forget to tell me how, when you work it out.

will do
LOL

Sometimes I find it so frustrating living in Australia, we have the ability and the natural resources and the minds to develop, design and produce these types of innovations but…we just don’t have the political fore-site and economic will to make it happen.

i guess because manufacturing is based on economies of scale/consumer base, it creates extra difficulties too

I’d love to see a ‘Silicon Valley’ style setup in Oz, why don’t we have this We have the technology based Universities and the CSIRO but that’s about the scope of it, I think

Aquila said:

I’d love to see a ‘Silicon Valley’ style setup in Oz, why don’t we have this We have the technology based Universities and the CSIRO but that’s about the scope of it, I think

Bugger me, haven’t you heard of the Multifunction Polis located in Adelaide?

Where the hell have you been, man?

sibeen said:

Aquila said:

I’d love to see a ‘Silicon Valley’ style setup in Oz, why don’t we have this We have the technology based Universities and the CSIRO but that’s about the scope of it, I think

Bugger me, haven’t you heard of the Multifunction Polis located in Adelaide?

Where the hell have you been, man?

LOL, I must have been living under a rock or sumfin! damn it man, thanks for the heads up!
Just checked it out on Wiki….looks like typical fuck up by government and wackos

I see, Technology Park in SA is about the closest in scope to Silicon Valley
I would like to see something like that in Queensland, plus we are on Asia’s doorstep up here

Australia being the arse end of the universe has some significant disadvantages in just about everything compared to other countries. No domestic market mass, high wages, a long way from markets.

Without previously, wool and gold, we would have been fucked a long time ago. Even agriculture in the future will be struggling if we insist on building suburbs over the best soil.

AwesomeO said:

Australia being the arse end of the universe has some significant disadvantages in just about everything compared to other countries. No domestic market mass, high wages, a long way from markets.

But, just the right distance from Indonesia for a thriving boat-people industry! (in Indonesia).

AwesomeO said:

Without previously, wool and gold, we would have been fucked a long time ago. Even agriculture in the future will be struggling if we insist on building suburbs over the best soil.

It is all true yes.

captain_spalding said:

AwesomeO said:

Australia being the arse end of the universe has some significant disadvantages in just about everything compared to other countries. No domestic market mass, high wages, a long way from markets.

But, just the right distance from Indonesia for a thriving boat-people industry! (in Indonesia).

They come for da sugar. Push factors be buggered.

AwesomeO said:

Without previously, wool and gold, we would have been fucked a long time ago. Even agriculture in the future will be struggling if we insist on building suburbs over the best soil.

Nah, not really. There is a shit load of land and building a few suburbs on the fringes of the major cities really doesn’t effect that.

AwesomeO said:

Australia being the arse end of the universe has some significant disadvantages in just about everything compared to other countries. No domestic market mass, high wages, a long way from markets.

yes…we do we go from here….import everything?

Aussie dollar has sunk, so import prices go up….we seem to get screwed every which way

sibeen said:

AwesomeO said:

Without previously, wool and gold, we would have been fucked a long time ago. Even agriculture in the future will be struggling if we insist on building suburbs over the best soil.

Nah, not really. There is a shit load of land and building a few suburbs on the fringes of the major cities really doesn’t effect that.

There might be a shit load of land but not much of it is good agricultural land. most of it is marginal at best.

sibeen said:

AwesomeO said:

Without previously, wool and gold, we would have been fucked a long time ago. Even agriculture in the future will be struggling if we insist on building suburbs over the best soil.

Nah, not really. There is a shit load of land and building a few suburbs on the fringes of the major cities really doesn’t effect that.

The decent old volcanic soils are being built over. Flood plains are being built over. We didn’t have a glacial period as such, so that is the only natural sources of rich soil. Anywhere else the soils have been depleted by millions of year of rain and not been replenished by glacial action, volcanic activity or flooding.

AwesomeO said:

sibeen said:

AwesomeO said:

Without previously, wool and gold, we would have been fucked a long time ago. Even agriculture in the future will be struggling if we insist on building suburbs over the best soil.

Nah, not really. There is a shit load of land and building a few suburbs on the fringes of the major cities really doesn’t effect that.

The decent old volcanic soils are being built over. Flood plains are being built over. We didn’t have a glacial period as such, so that is the only natural sources of rich soil. Anywhere else the soils have been depleted by millions of year of rain and not been replenished by glacial action, volcanic activity or flooding.

Australia’s population density per hectare of arable land is basically the lowest in the world. I wouldn’t be putting it as real high on things to worry about.

sibeen said:

AwesomeO said:

sibeen said:

Nah, not really. There is a shit load of land and building a few suburbs on the fringes of the major cities really doesn’t effect that.

The decent old volcanic soils are being built over. Flood plains are being built over. We didn’t have a glacial period as such, so that is the only natural sources of rich soil. Anywhere else the soils have been depleted by millions of year of rain and not been replenished by glacial action, volcanic activity or flooding.

Australia’s population density per hectare of arable land is basically the lowest in the world. I wouldn’t be putting it as real high on things to worry about.

Only because the early explorers couldn’t find anywhere worth living.

sibeen said:

AwesomeO said:

sibeen said:

Nah, not really. There is a shit load of land and building a few suburbs on the fringes of the major cities really doesn’t effect that.

The decent old volcanic soils are being built over. Flood plains are being built over. We didn’t have a glacial period as such, so that is the only natural sources of rich soil. Anywhere else the soils have been depleted by millions of year of rain and not been replenished by glacial action, volcanic activity or flooding.

Australia’s population density per hectare of arable land is basically the lowest in the world. I wouldn’t be putting it as real high on things to worry about.

I did say the future. Easy to quarantine productive lands, not so easy to return them to productivity with houses on them. We are mostly frigging desert.

Marginal land can support sustainable agriculture given enough water and man-made fertilisers. The main problem with most Australian land is lack of water.

roughbarked said:

sibeen said:

AwesomeO said:

The decent old volcanic soils are being built over. Flood plains are being built over. We didn’t have a glacial period as such, so that is the only natural sources of rich soil. Anywhere else the soils have been depleted by millions of year of rain and not been replenished by glacial action, volcanic activity or flooding.

Australia’s population density per hectare of arable land is basically the lowest in the world. I wouldn’t be putting it as real high on things to worry about.

Only because the early explorers couldn’t find anywhere worth living.

Not really, same pattern all over the world, coasts with harbours settled first, then around rivers. Easier to row up a river then float down with a current than build a road through rugged land. One of the reasons why North America developed so well, a rich river transport system with rivers running across the continent.

Aquila said:

sibeen said:

Aquila said:

I’d love to see a ‘Silicon Valley’ style setup in Oz, why don’t we have this We have the technology based Universities and the CSIRO but that’s about the scope of it, I think

Bugger me, haven’t you heard of the Multifunction Polis located in Adelaide?

Where the hell have you been, man?

LOL, I must have been living under a rock or sumfin! damn it man, thanks for the heads up!
Just checked it out on Wiki….looks like typical fuck up by government and wackos

I see, Technology Park in SA is about the closest in scope to Silicon Valley
I would like to see something like that in Queensland, plus we are on Asia’s doorstep up here

Silicon Valley kinda appeared from a random collection of right timing, right climate, right local government, right people etc. Any attempt to recreate that is doomed to fail, even here in the smrt state.

AwesomeO said:

We are mostly frigging desert.

Yes, we are, no doubt about that; but we also have a low population and a bloody big land mass. We really do have the most hectares per person of arable land in the world. Knocking off a few million hectares is not going to change that equation much.

AwesomeO said:

roughbarked said:

sibeen said:

Australia’s population density per hectare of arable land is basically the lowest in the world. I wouldn’t be putting it as real high on things to worry about.

Only because the early explorers couldn’t find anywhere worth living.

Not really, same pattern all over the world, coasts with harbours settled first, then around rivers. Easier to row up a river then float down with a current than build a road through rugged land. One of the reasons why North America developed so well, a rich river transport system with rivers running across the continent.

Rich river system.. Something we only had a shadow of by comparison.

AwesomeO said:

We are mostly frigging desert.

Lots of Silicon!

sibeen said:

AwesomeO said:

We are mostly frigging desert.

Yes, we are, no doubt about that; but we also have a low population and a bloody big land mass. We really do have the most hectares per person of arable land in the world. Knocking off a few million hectares is not going to change that equation much.

If that was the case the rest of the wrold would have been here long ago.

just frack the hell out of the land then build houses on it

we could build millions of houses in the bad lands of the outback where snakes and lizards are kings except for real estate agents that prowl the night feasting on back packers on their trip of a lifetime – we could use Chinese investors to fund the while thing.

I have 2 kids and 2 dogs. I cart hay, mulch, soil, timber and gravel. I drive a ute for a reason.
Where am I supposed to put the kids?

Seriously, you could buy a 200 series GXL Landcruiser and fit it out with all the extras and a tank of diesel for the same money. You could buy almost 3 Camry hybrids.

If I want an impractical car for shedloads of money, I’ll go for something with a little more style.

Currently $90,456 Drive Away.

Teleost said:

I have 2 kids and 2 dogs. I cart hay, mulch, soil, timber and gravel. I drive a ute for a reason.
Where am I supposed to put the kids?

Seriously, you could buy a 200 series GXL Landcruiser and fit it out with all the extras and a tank of diesel for the same money. You could buy almost 3 Camry hybrids.

If I want an impractical car for shedloads of money, I’ll go for something with a little more style.

Currently $90,456 Drive Away.

Mmmmmm…… Morgan.

You could trade the Moke in…

Teleost said:

You could trade the Moke in…

Teleost said:

You could trade the Moke in…

Gotta get it working yet…

Actually, I am thinking about how cool an electric moke would be. Like a Tesla, but better airconditioning and quicker acceleration.

Carmen_Sandiego said:

Teleost said:

I have 2 kids and 2 dogs. I cart hay, mulch, soil, timber and gravel. I drive a ute for a reason.
Where am I supposed to put the kids?

Seriously, you could buy a 200 series GXL Landcruiser and fit it out with all the extras and a tank of diesel for the same money. You could buy almost 3 Camry hybrids.

If I want an impractical car for shedloads of money, I’ll go for something with a little more style.

Currently $90,456 Drive Away.

Mmmmmm…… Morgan.

The Tesla may be expensive but it is not impractical. Good boot space front and rear, no maintenance apart from brakes and tyres, and not too much brake wear as it uses regenerative, long warranties. If your commute to and from work is less than a hundred km it would be a pretty handy bit of kit. Shove in the back acceleration and silent running. The only sound is tyre and wind noise.

Carmen_Sandiego said:

Teleost said:

You could trade the Moke in…

Gotta get it working yet…

Actually, I am thinking about how cool an electric moke would be. Like a Tesla, but better airconditioning and quicker acceleration.

sounds good for short distances

an electric kombi would be good

lithium batteries though

wookiemeister said:

Carmen_Sandiego said:

Teleost said:

You could trade the Moke in…

Gotta get it working yet…

Actually, I am thinking about how cool an electric moke would be. Like a Tesla, but better airconditioning and quicker acceleration.

sounds good for short distances

Would be good enough for 100+Km and an overnight recharge if I use the right batteries.

Carmen_Sandiego said:

wookiemeister said:

Carmen_Sandiego said:

Gotta get it working yet…

Actually, I am thinking about how cool an electric moke would be. Like a Tesla, but better airconditioning and quicker acceleration.

sounds good for short distances

Would be good enough for 100+Km and an overnight recharge if I use the right batteries.

structurally you’d be better off building a new moke

a place in Sydney does it i think

the kombi would be my choice

lots of room

you sit up high

no power steering to chew power

you could have solar panels to work fans that suck air in whilst moving or stationary

wookiemeister said:

Carmen_Sandiego said:

wookiemeister said:

sounds good for short distances

Would be good enough for 100+Km and an overnight recharge if I use the right batteries.

structurally you’d be better off building a new moke

a place in Sydney does it i think

Actually, no need. There is plenty of space in the engine bay once the engine is removed.

Carmen_Sandiego said:

wookiemeister said:

Carmen_Sandiego said:

Would be good enough for 100+Km and an overnight recharge if I use the right batteries.

structurally you’d be better off building a new moke

a place in Sydney does it i think

Actually, no need. There is plenty of space in the engine bay once the engine is removed.

do you have the moke?

a vw beetle would be good but you’d need some good fans to push air into the cabin, they get very hot quickly

Carmen_Sandiego said:

wookiemeister said:

Carmen_Sandiego said:

Would be good enough for 100+Km and an overnight recharge if I use the right batteries.

structurally you’d be better off building a new moke

a place in Sydney does it i think

Actually, no need. There is plenty of space in the engine bay once the engine is removed.

…and the beautiful part is the battery technology from the modern electric and hybrid cars makes this kind of conversion practical.

with the batteries up front you’d actually get traction in the wet

if you had solar panels you could charge with the sun

wookiemeister said:

Carmen_Sandiego said:

wookiemeister said:

structurally you’d be better off building a new moke

a place in Sydney does it i think

Actually, no need. There is plenty of space in the engine bay once the engine is removed.

do you have the moke?

I do. Priority is getting it going, then I will do the big mods. :)

AwesomeO said:

The Tesla may be expensive but it is not impractical. Good boot space front and rear, no maintenance apart from brakes and tyres, and not too much brake wear as it uses regenerative, long warranties. If your commute to and from work is less than a hundred km it would be a pretty handy bit of kit. Shove in the back acceleration and silent running. The only sound is tyre and wind noise.

Yeah…. Nah.

Most people outside of capital cities use their vehicle for more than going to work and back. Granted that some people can’t see why being able to carry a fridge would be a purchase decision, but for me it was an important factor in my choice of vehicle.

You can’t tow a trailer with a Tesla (excepting the 2015 Model X). So if you own a boat or trailer or do pretty much anything other than urban driving, it is not a practical vehicle in any way shape or form. But then, I live in a regional area where getting out and about is a way of life. Every sedan I’ve owned, I’ve hated because of their fundamental uselessness. Even the station wagons were only barely acceptable.

wookiemeister said:

if you had solar panels you could charge with the sun

Nah, electric cars use serious volumes of electricity. Although I am thinking of sticking some generators on the rear wheels to charge the batteries while I am driving.

Carmen_Sandiego said:

wookiemeister said:

Carmen_Sandiego said:

Actually, no need. There is plenty of space in the engine bay once the engine is removed.

do you have the moke?

I do. Priority is getting it going, then I will do the big mods. :)

you could go straight to electric to save money

the engine is notoriously unreliable so I’ve been told

Carmen_Sandiego said:

wookiemeister said:

if you had solar panels you could charge with the sun

Nah, electric cars use serious volumes of electricity. Although I am thinking of sticking some generators on the rear wheels to charge the batteries while I am driving.

I wouldn’t bother, just use it around town

CS’s Moke ATM

I might be back in your neck of the woods next year

Teleost said:

AwesomeO said:

The Tesla may be expensive but it is not impractical. Good boot space front and rear, no maintenance apart from brakes and tyres, and not too much brake wear as it uses regenerative, long warranties. If your commute to and from work is less than a hundred km it would be a pretty handy bit of kit. Shove in the back acceleration and silent running. The only sound is tyre and wind noise.

Yeah…. Nah.

Most people outside of capital cities use their vehicle for more than going to work and back. Granted that some people can’t see why being able to carry a fridge would be a purchase decision, but for me it was an important factor in my choice of vehicle.

You can’t tow a trailer with a Tesla (excepting the 2015 Model X). So if you own a boat or trailer or do pretty much anything other than urban driving, it is not a practical vehicle in any way shape or form. But then, I live in a regional area where getting out and about is a way of life. Every sedan I’ve owned, I’ve hated because of their fundamental uselessness. Even the station wagons were only barely acceptable.

It is a statement car, people won’t be buying it to tow trailers. It won’t even be the only car. It will be purchased by aspirational and well off owners who want to display tech and environmental cred.

Teleost said:

CS’s Moke ATM

The hole in the floor is not quite that large.

Yep, polluting the world with clouds of smug.

Both the tesla and the new BMW use regenerative braking that acts as brakes. On older cars it was brakes on sort of trail, now unless you have your foot on the accelerator the car will brake very strongly. Apparently it takes a bit of adjustment and after that you hardly use the friction system ever again, the regenerative is enough to drag it to a traffic light stop.

Carmen_Sandiego said:

Teleost said:

CS’s Moke ATM

The hole in the floor is not quite that large.

LOL

Starts at 59000 in the USA.

I thought this thread was going to be about a person

Arts said:

I thought this thread was going to be about a person

He was Tesla model N.

There’s a similar ratio of prices on the Nissan Leaf. About 30k in USA, 46k in Aust.

Carmen, here’s the link to the bloke in Brisbane who converted a Toyota Echo to a full electric

The ‘how’ button has links to parts suppliers with prices
The ‘journal’ button has heaps of photos and descriptions as he progresses
He also has pdf docs for transport dept. requirements

It’s an interesting read, but would need a good half hour or so to get through the details

http://www.electric-echo.com/index.htm

Thanks for the link, Aquila, will have a read of it and see how much the LiPo4lyf batteries will cost, because I have been doing some ballpark calculations and to get the Moke fully electric and give me 150km range, I will need about 10x Prius batteries.

“Insane mode” looks aptly named.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpaLgF1uLB8

Carmen_Sandiego said:

“Insane mode” looks aptly named.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpaLgF1uLB8

woot!

Looks good too…

On the dyno
first two attempts there is so much torque the frickin wheels spin on the dyno rollers!!

How many kW is 864 ft-lbs of torque?

http://youtu.be/LqFWvAplIKc

Aquila said:

How many kW is 864 ft-lbs of torque?

They are different units of measure, they only relate to each other if you know the RPM.
For example, with 864 lb-ft at 5250 rpm that’s 864 hp or 645 kW.
At half those revs it’s double the power and vice-versa.

Aquila said:

On the dyno
first two attempts there is so much torque the frickin wheels spin on the dyno rollers!!

How many kW is 864 ft-lbs of torque?

http://youtu.be/LqFWvAplIKc

(I had that happen with a 750cc motorbike.) (Mind you it was making considerably more power than many V8s.)

With a piston engine:

Power = Torque*RPM/(constant fudge-factor) IIRC, the fudge factor is 5252

Electric motors typically make maximum torque at zero revs – on start-up under load, so using that formula may well be inappropriate.

Spiny Norman said:

Aquila said:

How many kW is 864 ft-lbs of torque?

They are different units of measure, they only relate to each other if you know the RPM.
For example, with 864 lb-ft at 5250 rpm that’s 864 hp or 645 kW.
At half those revs it’s double the power and vice-versa.

Thanks man.

Just found this video, Tesla P85D vs Lamborghini Aventador
Both are rated at 691 HP (515 kW), the Tesla is heavier.

Tesla vs Ferrari 458 Italia

http://youtu.be/9cA1doO_9h8

The formula I gave is appropriate for electric motors after all.

This page explains it reasonably OK.

http://ncalculators.com/electrical/horsepower-to-torque-calculator.htm

Looking at those vids, it is obvious that the Tesla is not built for racing. It gives that insane acceleration but then settles down while its competitors are designed to just keep going.

Still, not bad for a comfortable 5-seater family costing a fraction of the price to give the expensive supercars a run for their money.

Michael V said:

(I had that happen with a 750cc motorbike.) (Mind you it was making considerably more power than many V8s.)

Modified?

Carmen_Sandiego said:

Looking at those vids, it is obvious that the Tesla is not built for racing. It gives that insane acceleration but then settles down while its competitors are designed to just keep going.

Still, not bad for a comfortable 5-seater family costing a fraction of the price to give the expensive supercars a run for their money.

For sure

Aquila said:

Michael V said:

(I had that happen with a 750cc motorbike.) (Mind you it was making considerably more power than many V8s.)

Modified?

Yes. Supercharged.

Michael V said:

Aquila said:

Michael V said:

(I had that happen with a 750cc motorbike.) (Mind you it was making considerably more power than many V8s.)

Modified?

Yes. Supercharged.

D