Are all land line ‘phones dependent on a domestic power supply? back in the Olden days this was not so.

bob(from black rock) said:

Are all land line ‘phones dependent on a domestic power supply? back in the Olden days this was not so.

If you are on the older copper lines then the answer is no. The supply voltage is supplied by your nearest exchange.

If you are on the newer NBN fibre, then the answer is yes. They install a small UPS system to keep you going during power outage periods. One of my bugbears with the NBN solution. It works, but how many people are going to remember to change batteries every 3 years or so, or have the technical skills to do so even if they remember.

If you are on the newer NBN fibre, then the answer is yes.

i believe it is an optional extra. may be wrong though.

sibeen said:

bob(from black rock) said:

Are all land line ‘phones dependent on a domestic power supply? back in the Olden days this was not so.

If you are on the older copper lines then the answer is no. The supply voltage is supplied by your nearest exchange.

If you are on the newer NBN fibre, then the answer is yes. They install a small UPS system to keep you going during power outage periods. One of my bugbears with the NBN solution. It works, but how many people are going to remember to change batteries every 3 years or so, or have the technical skills to do so even if they remember.

Eleven?

sibeen said:

bob(from black rock) said:

Are all land line ‘phones dependent on a domestic power supply? back in the Olden days this was not so.

If you are on the older copper lines then the answer is no. The supply voltage is supplied by your nearest exchange.

If you are on the newer NBN fibre, then the answer is yes. They install a small UPS system to keep you going during power outage periods. One of my bugbears with the NBN solution. It works, but how many people are going to remember to change batteries every 3 years or so, or have the technical skills to do so even if they remember.

sibeen thanks, but I have a handset that seems to be A/C power dependent, ie if I turn off my A/C power, no phone service

cordless phone?

ChrispenEvan said:

cordless phone?

Yes.

MartinB said:

sibeen said:

bob(from black rock) said:

Are all land line ‘phones dependent on a domestic power supply? back in the Olden days this was not so.

If you are on the older copper lines then the answer is no. The supply voltage is supplied by your nearest exchange.

If you are on the newer NBN fibre, then the answer is yes. They install a small UPS system to keep you going during power outage periods. One of my bugbears with the NBN solution. It works, but how many people are going to remember to change batteries every 3 years or so, or have the technical skills to do so even if they remember.

Eleven?

Err…what do you mean?

Or is 11 the number of people that have actually been connected to the NBN?

:)

bob(from black rock) said:

ChrispenEvan said:

cordless phone?

Yes.

Ahh, that needs power. I always have an older style phone plugged in for just these occasions.

cordless aren’t the standard type phone. they do require power for the radio transmitter and receiver in the base set.

sibeen said:

bob(from black rock) said:

ChrispenEvan said:

cordless phone?

Yes.

Ahh, that needs power. I always have an older style phone plugged in for just these occasions.

Where do you get one? I have been looking in Op shops for one, no luck so far. Would a “Dick Smith” shop sell these?

bob(from black rock) said:

Would a “Dick Smith” shop sell these?

Not that I’ve seen (not that I’ve been looking).

go to telstra and ask for one. cost you so much a month to rent. or did. don’t have a landline anymore myself.

Divine Angel said:

bob(from black rock) said:

Would a “Dick Smith” shop sell these?

Not that I’ve seen (not that I’ve been looking).

D A, thanks.

bob(from black rock) said:

sibeen said:

bob(from black rock) said:

Yes.

Ahh, that needs power. I always have an older style phone plugged in for just these occasions.

Where do you get one? I have been looking in Op shops for one, no luck so far. Would a “Dick Smith” shop sell these?

I’ve never had any trouble. Woolworths or any shp that sels phones. Used to only be able to get them from Telstra. Just ask.

sibeen said:

bob(from black rock) said:

Are all land line ‘phones dependent on a domestic power supply? back in the Olden days this was not so.

If you are on the older copper lines then the answer is no. The supply voltage is supplied by your nearest exchange.

If you are on the newer NBN fibre, then the answer is yes. They install a small UPS system to keep you going during power outage periods. One of my bugbears with the NBN solution. It works, but how many people are going to remember to change batteries every 3 years or so, or have the technical skills to do so even if they remember.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Bubblecar picked up a dial type on the internet.

sibeen said:

bob(from black rock) said:

ChrispenEvan said:

cordless phone?

Yes.

Ahh, that needs power. I always have an older style phone plugged in for just these occasions.

+1

bob(from black rock) said:

sibeen said:

bob(from black rock) said:

Yes.

Ahh, that needs power. I always have an older style phone plugged in for just these occasions.

Where do you get one? I have been looking in Op shops for one, no luck so far. Would a “Dick Smith” shop sell these?

Freecycle is your Friend! Many people have spare ones at home.

The last time I bought a non-mobile phone was more than 10 years ago and I got it from a Telstra shop.

with the old style rotary you have to find out whether it is pulse or tone dialling. some exchanges wont recognise pulse dialling. so if you get a rotary it has to be a modern one that does tone.

ms spock said:

bob(from black rock) said:

sibeen said:

Ahh, that needs power. I always have an older style phone plugged in for just these occasions.

Where do you get one? I have been looking in Op shops for one, no luck so far. Would a “Dick Smith” shop sell these?

Freecycle is your Friend! Many people have spare ones at home.

I’ve got half a dozen in the shed with minor problems. Whenever ne breaks I go through and fix another one again.

ChrispenEvan said:

with the old style rotary you have to find out whether it is pulse or tone dialling. some exchanges wont recognise pulse dialling. so if you get a rotary it has to be a modern one that does tone.

Yep.

i’ve asked you not to do that roughie. are you thick or something?

ChrispenEvan said:

i’ve asked you not to do that roughie. are you thick or something?

do what? good morning.

ChrispenEvan said:

with the old style rotary you have to find out whether it is pulse or tone dialling. some exchanges wont recognise pulse dialling. so if you get a rotary it has to be a modern one that does tone.

dual tone multi frequency i think

ahhh you are thick. i have asked you repeatedly not to put your imprimatur to my posts when i answer a question or give information which is correct. i don’t like it and it is a waste of time. get out of this habit of having to answer every post.

when the phone rings a 78vac or there abouts signal is sent from the exchange to signal someone is trying to call

the ac was used originally to cause a bell to ring

when you are talking the phone runs on 48vdc ( ELV)

when using the copper network you have max distances you can run from your NTD, voltage drop considerations and Telstra doesn’t want your creating your own comm system using their system to piggy back on to.

in the old days you’d turn a generator handle and create VAC on the line to the operator

the ac would cause a bell to ring there and a light to come on to show them which line was calling

they would then patch you into with a physical cable to the person you were trying to ring, they would ring his phone first though and then hand the call over

when you were done I guess the light might go out and another bell to signal the call was over and the cable should be removed

in the old days tapping the line by spies/ criminals would

would be done by physically tapping into the line

nowadays all information in the phone lined pass through main nodes that send the info to anonymous buildings either in the city or elsewhere

all information gets recorded

anonymous buildings with large comms/ phone lines are the give away

the information collected from these buildings then gets uploaded to echelon a “ secret “ data mining operation run by a few governments

the give away in the old days if a line tap was the line would be quiet as some current was being fed off somewhere else

wookiemeister said:

when the phone rings a 78vac or there abouts signal is sent from the exchange to signal someone is trying to call

the ac was used originally to cause a bell to ring

when you are talking the phone runs on 48vdc ( ELV)

when using the copper network you have max distances you can run from your NTD, voltage drop considerations and Telstra doesn’t want your creating your own comm system using their system to piggy back on to.

Yep.

wookiemeister said:

the give away in the old days if a line tap was the line would be quiet as some current was being fed off somewhere else

Yep.

Peak Warming Man said:

wookiemeister said:

the give away in the old days if a line tap was the line would be quiet as some current was being fed off somewhere else

Yep.

yea

In answer to PWM’s question. No I haven’t heard any news from stumpy either but then I was on the road for 17 hours all up.

In answer to all other questions, yep.

roughbarked said:

In answer to PWM’s question. No I haven’t heard any news from stumpy either but then I was on the road for 17 hours all up.

In answer to all other questions, yep.

I didn’t realise you liked fly spray cans that much!

Divine Angel said:

The last time I bought a non-mobile phone was more than 10 years ago and I got it from a Telstra shop.

$2 shops have them as well for a bout $10.

ms spock said:

Divine Angel said:

The last time I bought a non-mobile phone was more than 10 years ago and I got it from a Telstra shop.

$2 shops have them as well for a bout $10.

Yep.

POI

cross talk

copper lines that are unwound (not a proper twisted pair) become candidates to allow cross talk to happen

you can hear other people on the line

you line isn’t physically connected , it’s the magnetic fields coming off the other cables that induce signal on to

wookiemeister said:

POI

cross talk

copper lines that are unwound (not a proper twisted pair) become candidates to allow cross talk to happen

you can hear other people on the line

you line isn’t physically connected , it’s the magnetic fields coming off the other cables that induce signal on to

narp

user service terminated

wookiemeister said:

user service terminated

yarp

poikilotherm said:

wookiemeister said:

POI

cross talk

copper lines that are unwound (not a proper twisted pair) become candidates to allow cross talk to happen

you can hear other people on the line

you line isn’t physically connected , it’s the magnetic fields coming off the other cables that induce signal on to

narp

you’d better tell TAFE , it’s what they teach for the open cabling certificate I did a few years ago

poikilotherm said:

roughbarked said:

In answer to PWM’s question. No I haven’t heard any news from stumpy either but then I was on the road for 17 hours all up.

In answer to all other questions, yep.

I didn’t realise you liked fly spray cans that much!

You’d be surpised what one can can do. ;)

Mine is a traditional old telling bone plugged into the phone line.

wookiemeister said:

poikilotherm said:

wookiemeister said:

POI

cross talk

copper lines that are unwound (not a proper twisted pair) become candidates to allow cross talk to happen

you can hear other people on the line

you line isn’t physically connected , it’s the magnetic fields coming off the other cables that induce signal on to

narp

you’d better tell TAFE , it’s what they teach for the open cabling certificate I did a few years ago

narp

Bubblecar said:

Mine is a traditional old telling bone plugged into the phone line.

and your exchange accepts it?

I’m curious as to how many people have a land line phone anymore.. I don’t someone else mentioned that they don’t.. since my mum does I assume that Buffy still does… who else?

Arts said:

I’m curious as to how many people have a land line phone anymore.. I don’t someone else mentioned that they don’t.. since my mum does I assume that Buffy still does… who else?

Me. There’s no other way to get fast intertubes out ‘ere.

Arts said:

I’m curious as to how many people have a land line phone anymore.. I don’t someone else mentioned that they don’t.. since my mum does I assume that Buffy still does… who else?

Me.

Me

Arts said:

I’m curious as to how many people have a land line phone anymore.. I don’t someone else mentioned that they don’t.. since my mum does I assume that Buffy still does… who else?

I do. Everyone I know does. Apart from perhaps my son.

I have a cordless phone that plugs into the landline and I recently upgraded to a new one that has power back up so that it can still be used in the event of a power outage…

poikilotherm said:

Arts said:

I’m curious as to how many people have a land line phone anymore.. I don’t someone else mentioned that they don’t.. since my mum does I assume that Buffy still does… who else?

Me. There’s no other way to get fast intertubes out ‘ere.

Some people are blessed with a landline capable of delivering fast intertubes. I’m not one.

let me clarify.. I have a land line attachment.. (for internets) but not a phone attached to that. We use our mobiles/ipads/computers for communicating… apart from that, no would be rapist can cut your mobile phone line.

furious said:

I have a cordless phone that plugs into the landline and I recently upgraded to a new one that has power back up so that it can still be used in the event of a power outage…

a UPS?

I really like old phones.. love the really really old ornate ones.. but I would especially like one of those where you had to ring through to the exchange, I wonder if Old Mavis is still there waiting for the buzz

• a UPS?

Nothing so advanced as that. The handset, obviously, has a battery but there is also a battery in the receiver and when the power goes out it runs off the battery. Don’t know how long it is supposed to last though…

furious said:

• a UPS?

Nothing so advanced as that. The handset, obviously, has a battery but there is also a battery in the receiver and when the power goes out it runs off the battery. Don’t know how long it is supposed to last though…

don’t forget to keep it charged and changed…

• don’t forget to keep it charged and changed…

Well, it charges by itself, but I haven’t investigated how long I should keep it until I should change it. Probably should…

At the Redoubt there is no communication, if I fall off the roof or get gored by the big grey bull or suffer a nasty paper cut I have a personal locator in the kitchen drawer that if I activate it the Severe Paper Cut Helicopter Team will be airborne and zooming in on the satellite signal.

roughbarked said:

Bubblecar said:

Mine is a traditional old telling bone plugged into the phone line.

and your exchange accepts it?

Yes. Except I can’t do the “press 2” stuff etc, since it’s a dial phone.

furious said:

• don’t forget to keep it charged and changed…

Well, it charges by itself, but I haven’t investigated how long I should keep it until I should change it. Probably should…

do what everyone else does and wait until it doesn’t work.. they when it stops, get mad, try to hack it a couple of times, go online to research and make a facebook status update about how upset you are, then just go out and buy a new one.

Peak Warming Man said:

At the Redoubt there is no communication, if I fall off the roof or get gored by the big grey bull or suffer a nasty paper cut I have a personal locator in the kitchen drawer that if I activate it the Severe Paper Cut Helicopter Team will be airborne and zooming in on the satellite signal.

um.. you’d have to get to the locator first, which would be difficult if you have a bull horn in your side or say, a broken hip…

furious said:

• don’t forget to keep it charged and changed…

Well, it charges by itself, but I haven’t investigated how long I should keep it until I should change it. Probably should…

You can buy cheap ($28) old style handsets which compliment the cordless phones. We have one fixed line handset & 3 cordless.
We are still on copper wire so the phone keeps going long after the power & the mobiles die.

• do what everyone else does and wait until it doesn’t work.. they when it stops, get mad, try to hack it a couple of times, go online to research and make a facebook status update about how upset you are, then just go out and buy a new one.

That’s what I normally do, except for the facebook part. The reason I have this new one is because the handset in the old one no longer held a charge. I could have got a new battery but went all out and got a shiny new phone instead…

Arts said:

Peak Warming Man said:

At the Redoubt there is no communication, if I fall off the roof or get gored by the big grey bull or suffer a nasty paper cut I have a personal locator in the kitchen drawer that if I activate it the Severe Paper Cut Helicopter Team will be airborne and zooming in on the satellite signal.

um.. you’d have to get to the locator first, which would be difficult if you have a bull horn in your side or say, a broken hip…

It’s not perfect.

furious said:

• do what everyone else does and wait until it doesn’t work.. they when it stops, get mad, try to hack it a couple of times, go online to research and make a facebook status update about how upset you are, then just go out and buy a new one.

That’s what I normally do, except for the facebook part. The reason I have this new one is because the handset in the old one no longer held a charge. I could have got a new battery but went all out and got a shiny new phone instead…

huzzah You’re normal.

Peak Warming Man said:

Arts said:

Peak Warming Man said:

At the Redoubt there is no communication, if I fall off the roof or get gored by the big grey bull or suffer a nasty paper cut I have a personal locator in the kitchen drawer that if I activate it the Severe Paper Cut Helicopter Team will be airborne and zooming in on the satellite signal.

um.. you’d have to get to the locator first, which would be difficult if you have a bull horn in your side or say, a broken hip…

It’s not perfect.

good to know the Paper Cut Emergency team is on standby anyway

Peak Warming Man said:

Arts said:

Peak Warming Man said:

At the Redoubt there is no communication, if I fall off the roof or get gored by the big grey bull or suffer a nasty paper cut I have a personal locator in the kitchen drawer that if I activate it the Severe Paper Cut Helicopter Team will be airborne and zooming in on the satellite signal.

um.. you’d have to get to the locator first, which would be difficult if you have a bull horn in your side or say, a broken hip…

It’s not perfect.

Well you wouldn’t be with a bull horn in your side.

I might have a play in the next few days and see if my local exchange still accepts pulse dialling.

Oh, and add a ‘me’ for those who still have a traditional land-line phone.

>a personal locator in the kitchen drawer

Might make more sense to keep it on your person.

Bubblecar said:

>a personal locator in the kitchen drawer

Might make more sense to keep it on your person.

I think the only real danger is if he gets a papercut and can’t press the button

Bubblecar said:

>a personal locator in the kitchen drawer

Might make more sense to keep it on your person.

But then it might get damaged by said horned bull.

AussieDJ said:

Bubblecar said:

>a personal locator in the kitchen drawer

Might make more sense to keep it on your person.

But then it might get damaged by said horned bull.

What he needs is a pet kangaroo who can run for help if he’s incapacitated.

• Might make more sense to keep it on your person.

But the bull’s horn might go right through it…

Arts said:

Bubblecar said:

>a personal locator in the kitchen drawer

Might make more sense to keep it on your person.

I think the only real danger is if he gets a papercut and can’t press the button

Personal papercut report = NONE.

good to hear kii. glad you took my advice onboard, as they say.

;-)

ChrispenEvan said:

good to hear kii. glad you took my advice onboard, as they say.

;-)

I didn’t :P

It’s that time of the year when the company slashes hours, so I have been stuck at the main check out and not doing my beloved magazines…the guy in charge of that section has been running around doing them and everything else :P Once the hours go back up I’ll be slashing my fingers on a daily basis :P

Oh, we have landlines at the book store :D

Apparently you can use hand cream to prevent paper cuts…

kii said:

ChrispenEvan said:

good to hear kii. glad you took my advice onboard, as they say.

;-)

I didn’t :P

It’s that time of the year when the company slashes hours, so I have been stuck at the main check out and not doing my beloved magazines…the guy in charge of that section has been running around doing them and everything else :P Once the hours go back up I’ll be slashing my fingers on a daily basis :P

Oh, we have landlines at the book store :D

Is that the fundamentalist Christian redneck pickup truck guns n ammo magazines ?

furious said:

Apparently you can use hand cream to prevent paper cuts…

Which then gets on the books :/

Bubblecar said:

AussieDJ said:

Bubblecar said:

>a personal locator in the kitchen drawer

Might make more sense to keep it on your person.

But then it might get damaged by said horned bull.

What he needs is a pet kangaroo who can run for help if he’s incapacitated.

that’s trained to press the button

Hi folks, thankyou for your advise, got a “Dick Smith” basic corded slim line phone from “Dick Smith”, about $30, but it doesn’t want to share a line with the existing ‘phone which is a Panasonic 5.8 GHz unit, guess I will just leave it unplugged until I loose mains power,then plug it in.

My dial phone here in the pooter room:

• My dial phone here in the pooter room

I think you’ve got some room for some more speakers over there ——>

furious said:

• My dial phone here in the pooter room

I think you’ve got some room for some more speakers over there ——>

You can never have too many.

no don’t play the bongos. a close friend was a zappa fan. our cricket team was called the bongofurys. i like the name. i also reckon it would be a good trade name for surf wear.

ChrispenEvan said:

no don’t play the bongos. a close friend was a zappa fan. our cricket team was called the bongofurys. i like the name. i also reckon it would be a good trade name for surf wear.

You should register it, only costs a few bob.
If someone wants it bad enough they will buy it off you for a good price.

it is the name of a zappa album so probably already has some copyright on it. dunno.

bob(from black rock) said:

Are all land line ‘phones dependent on a domestic power supply? back in the Olden days this was not so.

Still not so in Black Rock. If power goes out, landline phones still work.

bob(from black rock) said:

Hi folks, thankyou for your advise, got a “Dick Smith” basic corded slim line phone from “Dick Smith”, about $30, but it doesn’t want to share a line with the existing ‘phone which is a Panasonic 5.8 GHz unit,

What do you mean by ‘doesn’t want to share a line’?

bob(from black rock) said:

Hi folks, thankyou for your advise, got a “Dick Smith” basic corded slim line phone from “Dick Smith”, about $30, but it doesn’t want to share a line with the existing ‘phone which is a Panasonic 5.8 GHz unit, guess I will just leave it unplugged until I loose mains power,then plug it in.

How many outlets do you have on the one phone line? I have one in the bedroom, one in the kitchen and one in the computer room My Panasonic unit has three handsets and only the master needs to plug into a phone line. I have the landline plugged into a different outlet so that yes I can actually listen and share conversation on the landline while the Panasonic is being used Though if any one of the Panasonics is being used, the other Panasonics won’t work until I hang up the first one. I can also plug a landline into the computer room which does all the same things.

roughbarked said:

bob(from black rock) said:

Hi folks, thankyou for your advise, got a “Dick Smith” basic corded slim line phone from “Dick Smith”, about $30, but it doesn’t want to share a line with the existing ‘phone which is a Panasonic 5.8 GHz unit, guess I will just leave it unplugged until I loose mains power,then plug it in.

How many outlets do you have on the one phone line? I have one in the bedroom, one in the kitchen and one in the computer room My Panasonic unit has three handsets and only the master needs to plug into a phone line. I have the landline plugged into a different outlet so that yes I can actually listen and share conversation on the landline while the Panasonic is being used Though if any one of the Panasonics is being used, the other Panasonics won’t work until I hang up the first one. I can also plug a landline into the computer room which does all the same things.

The same – three Panasonic handsets and one landline phone.