Date: 16/02/2015 10:51:36
From: Bubblecar
ID: 677914
Subject: Teenage Brains

Interesting article about research into the teenage brain, and possible consequences for redesigning adolescent education:

Teenagers really get a bad time,’ says Sarah-Jayne Blakemore. ‘It is amazing how it seems to be totally acceptable – even institutionalised – to parody and demonise them. We laugh at things that mock teenagers, but if you applied those sorts of jokes to any other sector of society, it just wouldn’t be acceptable.’ Blakemore is a professor of cognitive neuroscience and deputy director of the University College London Institute of Cognitive Neuroscience. She is sitting in her office behind Russell Square, the heartland of London academia, mounting a strong defence for every teenager in Britain who has slammed a bedroom door, smoked a cigarette, driven a car too fast and even – though she certainly doesn’t condone this – given in to the peer pressure that surrounds drugs such as Ecstasy.

Society’s response to the teenage conviction that ‘nobody understands’ is often lack of patience. Teenagers, we think, are moody, self-absorbed, reckless, defiant creatures who reject our wisdom in favour of a path of personal sabotage. But the rallying cry from Blakemore – an increasingly powerful voice in the world of international neuroscience, who has given policy advice to the British government – is that teenagers are right. Beyond the world of neuroscientific research, for the most part society does not understand them.

Only 20 years ago, it was thought that brain development stopped in early childhood. Then, with the advent of sophisticated MRI scanners, scientists in the US discovered that the brain continued to change into adolescence. Over the past 10 years, Blakemore (supported by a series of Royal Society research fellowships and other grants) and a growing group of international neuroscientists have been discovering more about how the brain develops during this period of life. The change to grey matter in the prefrontal cortex is particularly acute during the teenage years, wreaking havoc on our children and, by extension, family life.

…She is passionate, for example, about the madness of an 8.30/9am school start time. ‘It’s the middle of the night for a teenager!’ she says. Teenagers release melatonin (the sleepy hormone) a couple of hours later in the day than adults and so are able to stay up later, but then they need more sleep in the morning. ‘It’s like getting us up at 5.30am,’ Blakemore elaborates. Teenagers experience ‘social jet-lag’ asa result, hence the long lie-ins at the weekends (this is absolutely not slothfulness, she says, but their bodies catching up after being forced to awaken so early).

Teenage brains are also capable of immense creativity, Blakemore says, rather like the way a child under the age of one is receptive to learning languages. Secondary schools, she says, often don’t plug into such creativity. When she advised government aides in 2011 (brought in by Willetts), it was with the aim of trying to broaden their outlook, away from a sole focus on the Charlie and Lola generation (a catchphrase for the under-fives). ‘There is such a large amount of new information about teenage brain development, which should be taken into account when politicians are considering evidence-based policy,’ she explains. ‘Traditionally policy has focused on the early years; the new research suggests that investment into adolescence is important too.

Full article: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/11410483/Revealed-the-science-behind-teenage-laziness.html

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Date: 16/02/2015 11:01:02
From: diddly-squat
ID: 677919
Subject: re: Teenage Brains

There is little doubt that teenage brains are broken – this is nothing new – but I think the suggestion that ‘mocking teenagers’ is akin to other form of social bullying or ostracization is drawing a pretty long bow.

Also, I’ve heard the thing about school starting time before as well… and while it may not be optimal I think the fact is that school has to fit into the world around it, not the other way round.

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Date: 16/02/2015 11:09:18
From: roughbarked
ID: 677921
Subject: re: Teenage Brains

diddly-squat said:

There is little doubt that teenage brains are broken – this is nothing new – but I think the suggestion that ‘mocking teenagers’ is akin to other form of social bullying or ostracization is drawing a pretty long bow.

Also, I’ve heard the thing about school starting time before as well… and while it may not be optimal I think the fact is that school has to fit into the world around it, not the other way round.

The interesting thing is that the world around it doesn’t fit the whole school day routine thing anymore. So many places are open 24 hour or 7 days or late nights. People are asked to work all odd hours so like any life education it should ineed be a part of the school curriculum.

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Date: 16/02/2015 11:15:07
From: buffy
ID: 677924
Subject: re: Teenage Brains

diddly-squat said:

There is little doubt that teenage brains are broken – this is nothing new – but I think the suggestion that ‘mocking teenagers’ is akin to other form of social bullying or ostracization is drawing a pretty long bow.

Also, I’ve heard the thing about school starting time before as well… and while it may not be optimal I think the fact is that school has to fit into the world around it, not the other way round.

“Broken” ? Not sure that is really what you meant. Not yet fully formed, but not broken.

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Date: 16/02/2015 11:16:48
From: diddly-squat
ID: 677926
Subject: re: Teenage Brains

roughbarked said:


diddly-squat said:

There is little doubt that teenage brains are broken – this is nothing new – but I think the suggestion that ‘mocking teenagers’ is akin to other form of social bullying or ostracization is drawing a pretty long bow.

Also, I’ve heard the thing about school starting time before as well… and while it may not be optimal I think the fact is that school has to fit into the world around it, not the other way round.

The interesting thing is that the world around it doesn’t fit the whole school day routine thing anymore. So many places are open 24 hour or 7 days or late nights. People are asked to work all odd hours so like any life education it should ineed be a part of the school curriculum.

That’s not really what I meant, nor is it what the article is suggesting.

The general idea is that the school day should be offset till later in the day to accommodate the ‘late waking’ teenage brain. But the problem with this is that the vast majority of the working world start at (or around) 8:00am and end at (or around) 5:00pm. Changes to the school day to outside these times would simply create havoc with pick ups and drop offs.

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Date: 16/02/2015 11:19:40
From: diddly-squat
ID: 677928
Subject: re: Teenage Brains

buffy said:


diddly-squat said:

There is little doubt that teenage brains are broken – this is nothing new – but I think the suggestion that ‘mocking teenagers’ is akin to other form of social bullying or ostracization is drawing a pretty long bow.

Also, I’ve heard the thing about school starting time before as well… and while it may not be optimal I think the fact is that school has to fit into the world around it, not the other way round.

“Broken” ? Not sure that is really what you meant. Not yet fully formed, but not broken.

no their little brains are broken… they mend of course, but I think ‘broken’ is a very apt adjective…

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Date: 16/02/2015 11:22:29
From: Bubblecar
ID: 677930
Subject: re: Teenage Brains

Most of my teenage schooling was a blur of boredom. I would have appreciated much more focus on creativity.

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Date: 16/02/2015 11:22:48
From: buffy
ID: 677931
Subject: re: Teenage Brains

No. Their brains are not broken.

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Date: 16/02/2015 11:24:41
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 677932
Subject: re: Teenage Brains

buffy said:

No. Their brains are not broken.

I think that d-s’s perspective on this might be closely associated with two specific teenage brains.

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Date: 16/02/2015 11:27:35
From: diddly-squat
ID: 677933
Subject: re: Teenage Brains

buffy said:

No. Their brains are not broken.

yes, they are…

simply put they do not function properly and this leads to poor decision making of course it’s not their fault and it’s important to accommodate this in your evaluation of their behavior.

when a bone is damaged it’s said to be ‘broken’… why not a brain?

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Date: 16/02/2015 11:29:34
From: diddly-squat
ID: 677934
Subject: re: Teenage Brains

The Rev Dodgson said:


buffy said:

No. Their brains are not broken.

I think that d-s’s perspective on this might be closely associated with two specific teenage brains.

my sample set is not limited to 2, it extends over a vast network of broken brains.

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Date: 16/02/2015 11:29:50
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 677935
Subject: re: Teenage Brains

Bubblecar said:

Teenagers really get a bad time,’ says Sarah-Jayne Blakemore. ‘It is amazing how it seems to be totally acceptable – even institutionalised – to parody and demonise them. We laugh at things that mock teenagers, but if you applied those sorts of jokes to any other sector of society, it just wouldn’t be acceptable.’

I don’t think that is true, I think there are many groups that are parodied just as much as teenagers. Just about anybody who can be put in a large group that is not considered a disadvantaged minority group.

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Date: 16/02/2015 11:31:01
From: bob(from black rock)
ID: 677936
Subject: re: Teenage Brains

buffy said:

No. Their brains are not broken.

No but they are like a bowl of luke warm porridge

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Date: 16/02/2015 11:34:25
From: buffy
ID: 677938
Subject: re: Teenage Brains

Your understanding makes me sad diddly. A teenage brain is in no way broken (as a generalization). It is simply a work in progress.

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Date: 16/02/2015 11:34:50
From: Bubblecar
ID: 677939
Subject: re: Teenage Brains

Must be a nightmare having a broken teenage brain in pieces all over the living room floor, trying to work out how to fix it.

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Date: 16/02/2015 11:43:38
From: diddly-squat
ID: 677950
Subject: re: Teenage Brains

buffy said:

Your understanding makes me sad diddly. A teenage brain is in no way broken (as a generalization). It is simply a work in progress.

Near instantaneous changes in the chemical make up of the brain fundamentally change the way in which it works. It takes time for these connections to reform in the brain. If this is not analogous to a fracture (let’s call it a break) of a bone then I don’t know what is.

Look, call it ‘developing’ if you like but for me that is not an apt description as it implies gradual change over time from a ‘lower’ to a ‘high’ state (like a infant’s brain for instance).

For me, the clear distinction between the two is the ‘near instantaneous change’ bit.

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Date: 16/02/2015 11:43:51
From: kii
ID: 677951
Subject: re: Teenage Brains

buffy said:

No. Their brains are not broken.

Totally agree, buffy. Saying they are broken is so wrong :/

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Date: 16/02/2015 11:43:53
From: diddly-squat
ID: 677952
Subject: re: Teenage Brains

Bubblecar said:


Must be a nightmare having a broken teenage brain in pieces all over the living room floor, trying to work out how to fix it.

you have no idea

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Date: 16/02/2015 11:48:32
From: sibeen
ID: 677953
Subject: re: Teenage Brains

diddly-squat said:


Bubblecar said:

Must be a nightmare having a broken teenage brain in pieces all over the living room floor, trying to work out how to fix it.

you have no idea

I do…unfortunately :)

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Date: 16/02/2015 11:48:35
From: Boris
ID: 677954
Subject: re: Teenage Brains

i would comment but then i’m not a parent so what would i know.

;-)

someone has to say it as no parenting thread would be complete without it.

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Date: 16/02/2015 11:54:02
From: Neophyte
ID: 677955
Subject: re: Teenage Brains

sibeen said:


diddly-squat said:

Bubblecar said:

Must be a nightmare having a broken teenage brain in pieces all over the living room floor, trying to work out how to fix it.

you have no idea

I do…unfortunately :)

Train them to bring your beer…the rest falls into place, surely?

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Date: 16/02/2015 12:03:00
From: poikilotherm
ID: 677959
Subject: re: Teenage Brains

diddly-squat said:


buffy said:

No. Their brains are not broken.

yes, they are…

simply put they do not function properly and this leads to poor decision making of course it’s not their fault and it’s important to accommodate this in your evaluation of their behavior.

when a bone is damaged it’s said to be ‘broken’… why not a brain?

I remember risk taking was seriously skewed in the wrong direction during high school.

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Date: 16/02/2015 12:05:06
From: diddly-squat
ID: 677960
Subject: re: Teenage Brains

poikilotherm said:


diddly-squat said:

buffy said:

No. Their brains are not broken.

yes, they are…

simply put they do not function properly and this leads to poor decision making of course it’s not their fault and it’s important to accommodate this in your evaluation of their behavior.

when a bone is damaged it’s said to be ‘broken’… why not a brain?

I remember risk taking was seriously skewed in the wrong direction during high school.

you mean you and your friends were more cautious during adolescence than you are now??

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Date: 16/02/2015 12:08:09
From: poikilotherm
ID: 677962
Subject: re: Teenage Brains

diddly-squat said:


poikilotherm said:

diddly-squat said:

yes, they are…

simply put they do not function properly and this leads to poor decision making of course it’s not their fault and it’s important to accommodate this in your evaluation of their behavior.

when a bone is damaged it’s said to be ‘broken’… why not a brain?

I remember risk taking was seriously skewed in the wrong direction during high school.

you mean you and your friends were more cautious during adolescence than you are now??

yea, totes, we went to the library on sat night.

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Date: 16/02/2015 12:12:55
From: diddly-squat
ID: 677963
Subject: re: Teenage Brains

poikilotherm said:


diddly-squat said:

poikilotherm said:

I remember risk taking was seriously skewed in the wrong direction during high school.

you mean you and your friends were more cautious during adolescence than you are now??

yea, totes, we went to the library on sat night.

not now though… now you’re out what… tippin’ cows and lightin’ things of fire for cheap thrills?

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Date: 16/02/2015 12:17:19
From: Bubblecar
ID: 677964
Subject: re: Teenage Brains

My only stay in hospital (one night, with concussion) occurred at the age of 13, after I decided it would be fun to run really fast down a very steep hill. And my only broken bone (greenstick collarbone fracture) occurred in the same year, when I tried to jump over a tennis net to impress a boy I liked.

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Date: 16/02/2015 12:20:11
From: poikilotherm
ID: 677965
Subject: re: Teenage Brains

diddly-squat said:


poikilotherm said:

diddly-squat said:

you mean you and your friends were more cautious during adolescence than you are now??

yea, totes, we went to the library on sat night.

not now though… now you’re out what… tippin’ cows and lightin’ things of fire for cheap thrills?

stealin’ anfo and shootin’ goats while drinkin’n‘drivin’

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Date: 16/02/2015 12:22:44
From: Bubblecar
ID: 677966
Subject: re: Teenage Brains

Bubblecar said:


My only stay in hospital (one night, with concussion) occurred at the age of 13, after I decided it would be fun to run really fast down a very steep hill. And my only broken bone (greenstick collarbone fracture) occurred in the same year, when I tried to jump over a tennis net to impress a boy I liked.

At about the same age I also drove the older sister’s Vespa scooter into the back fence at some speed, but was unharmed (but had to face her wrath for mangling the scooter).

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Date: 16/02/2015 12:26:37
From: diddly-squat
ID: 677967
Subject: re: Teenage Brains

Bubblecar said:


My only stay in hospital (one night, with concussion) occurred at the age of 13, after I decided it would be fun to run really fast down a very steep hill. And my only broken bone (greenstick collarbone fracture) occurred in the same year, when I tried to jump over a tennis net to impress a boy I liked.

nice…

I think my most highest risk taking behavior was at or around the age of 16/17 and involved driving (and/or riding) cars (and/or motorbikes) in ways that, hindsight would suggest, were unwise.

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Date: 16/02/2015 12:27:50
From: Michael V
ID: 677968
Subject: re: Teenage Brains

I spent most of my free time in my teenage years with a hammer, cold chisel, rucksack, and bicycle, going out and about trying to find fossils. I was moderately successful. Some rare days I would ride more than 220 km for just an hour’s collecting. (Sydney northern beaches to near Newcastle and return.)

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Date: 16/02/2015 12:31:47
From: diddly-squat
ID: 677969
Subject: re: Teenage Brains

poikilotherm said:


diddly-squat said:

poikilotherm said:

yea, totes, we went to the library on sat night.

not now though… now you’re out what… tippin’ cows and lightin’ things of fire for cheap thrills?

stealin’ anfo and shootin’ goats while drinkin’n‘drivin’

Orange Side

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Date: 16/02/2015 12:32:21
From: Michael V
ID: 677970
Subject: re: Teenage Brains

I may or may not have done similar things at a similar age, diddly. I did have an unfortunate and painful and expensive altercation with a taxi whilst racing a GT Falcon with my 500 Norton when I was 17.

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Date: 16/02/2015 12:40:12
From: kii
ID: 677971
Subject: re: Teenage Brains

My sons during their teen years joined a flying club – like scouts, but in the air. My eldest son was learning to fly gliders and had completed many supervised flights. Pretty sure the group would not have let a teenage boy do this if his brain had been “broken”. Most teens also learn to drive during this time.

There are many periods during adolescence when teens behave like toddlers – pushing the boundaries and questioning the rules. Again – not broken, just developing their skills with the new information that they have, the new understandings.

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Date: 16/02/2015 13:18:49
From: diddly-squat
ID: 677983
Subject: re: Teenage Brains

kii said:


My sons during their teen years joined a flying club – like scouts, but in the air. My eldest son was learning to fly gliders and had completed many supervised flights. Pretty sure the group would not have let a teenage boy do this if his brain had been “broken”. Most teens also learn to drive during this time.

There are many periods during adolescence when teens behave like toddlers – pushing the boundaries and questioning the rules. Again – not broken, just developing their skills with the new information that they have, the new understandings.

‘Broken’ doesn’t mean ‘not functioning’… you can, for instance, still hold things in your hand if your arm is broken.

As I said, the term developing just doesn’t provide an apt enough description for what is happening in a teenage brain.

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Date: 16/02/2015 13:21:28
From: Dropbear
ID: 677986
Subject: re: Teenage Brains

diddly-squat said:


kii said:

My sons during their teen years joined a flying club – like scouts, but in the air. My eldest son was learning to fly gliders and had completed many supervised flights. Pretty sure the group would not have let a teenage boy do this if his brain had been “broken”. Most teens also learn to drive during this time.

There are many periods during adolescence when teens behave like toddlers – pushing the boundaries and questioning the rules. Again – not broken, just developing their skills with the new information that they have, the new understandings.

‘Broken’ doesn’t mean ‘not functioning’… you can, for instance, still hold things in your hand if your arm is broken.

As I said, the term developing just doesn’t provide an apt enough description for what is happening in a teenage brain.

I prefer the term retarded :)

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Date: 16/02/2015 13:28:55
From: diddly-squat
ID: 677988
Subject: re: Teenage Brains

Dropbear said:


diddly-squat said:

kii said:

My sons during their teen years joined a flying club – like scouts, but in the air. My eldest son was learning to fly gliders and had completed many supervised flights. Pretty sure the group would not have let a teenage boy do this if his brain had been “broken”. Most teens also learn to drive during this time.

There are many periods during adolescence when teens behave like toddlers – pushing the boundaries and questioning the rules. Again – not broken, just developing their skills with the new information that they have, the new understandings.

‘Broken’ doesn’t mean ‘not functioning’… you can, for instance, still hold things in your hand if your arm is broken.

As I said, the term developing just doesn’t provide an apt enough description for what is happening in a teenage brain.

I prefer the term retarded :)

all aboard the Outrage Bus…. today we’ll be stopping at Denouncing Teens….

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Date: 16/02/2015 13:58:09
From: transition
ID: 677990
Subject: re: Teenage Brains

read ‘bout this maybe over a decade ago…well, the basics of it were known

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Date: 16/02/2015 14:24:56
From: bob(from black rock)
ID: 677994
Subject: re: Teenage Brains

These youths wearing their togas halfway down their legs”

Not sure who the ancient Roman was wot said this but proly most of ‘em in the day.

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Date: 16/02/2015 14:27:22
From: bob(from black rock)
ID: 677995
Subject: re: Teenage Brains

bob(from black rock) said:

These youths wearing their togas halfway down their legs”

Not sure who the ancient Roman was wot said this but proly most of ‘em in the day.

Wish I still had my teenage brain, this near 75 year old model is just about phucked.

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