Tristan Loraine has directed ‘fact-based’ thriller on aerotoxic syndrome
The former BA pilot calls the disease ‘the airlines’ dirty little secret’
For years he suffered numbness in his fingers and feet and nausea
Just two of the physical and neurological problems covered by syndrome
Believed they come from breathing chemicals pumped through cabin

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> fumes from jet fuel are seeping into the air systems of planes and poisoning crew and passengers.

Well, at least it’s a lot safer than the air in cars.

Of course there’s jet fuel fumes in aircraft.

They’re basically just flying fuel tanks, with some engines attached. Passengers are, essentially, an afterthought.

A 747 can carry 48,000 gallons / 183,000 litres of fuel. The horizontal tail surfaces alone have tanks for 3,000 gallons / 13,000 litres of fuel.

If you want transport that’s free from fuel fumes, i suggest that you take up sailing or gliding. Or cycling. Even horses fart.

>>For years he suffered numbness in his fingers and feet and nausea<<

Well, well….this from someone whose working life involved sitting still in one position for hours at a time. Although the nausea doesn’t fit, the other does.

The air you are breathing on an airplane is recycled from directly outside of your window. That means you are breathing everything that the airplanes gives off and is flying through. The air that is pumped in isn’t pure oxygen either, it’s mixed with nitrogen, sometimes almost at 50%. To pump a greater amount of oxygen in costs money in terms of fuel and the airlines know this! The nitrogen may affect the times and dosages of medications, make you feel bloated and cause your ankles and joints swell.

http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/food-babe-misinformation-on-travel/

Has he got a book out?

it’s mixed with nitrogen, sometimes almost at 50%.</fon>

so they take 205 of the nitrogen out??? wow. that must cost a fortune.

ffs.

Boris said:

it’s mixed with nitrogen, sometimes almost at 50%.

so they take 205 of the nitrogen out??? wow. that must cost a fortune.

ffs.

Boris said:

Boris said:

it’s mixed with nitrogen, sometimes almost at 50%.

so they take 205 of the nitrogen out??? wow. that must cost a fortune.

ffs.

I know what you said, no need to read it back to me.

captain_spalding said:

A 747 can carry 48,000 gallons / 183,000 litres of fuel. The horizontal tail surfaces alone have tanks for 3,000 gallons / 13,000 litres of fuel.

183,000 litres is about 40,300 gallons, not 48,000.

FWIW a 747-300 can carry 161 tonnes of jet fuel, which is roughly 198,000 litres. A 747-400 with the tail tank can carry another ~ 10 tonnes which is about 12,300 litres.

The fumes in the cabin largely don’t come from the engines they come from the air conditioning system, or packs* as they’re called.
(* Pneumatic Air Conditioning Kit)
The seals in the packs can get a bit worn and leak a bit of oil into the cooled air. It’s a not uncommon problem with the BA-146, far less so for other airliners.
I’ve only had it happen to me once and that was in a small turboprop.

Oh, now someone is putting reality in the thread…

buffy said:

Oh, now someone is putting reality in the thread…

Wonders will never cease.

SN: do you know anything about Pajero iOs? (Specifically reliability and longevity.)

Michael V said:

SN: do you know anything about Pajero iOs? (Specifically reliability and longevity.)

Sorry. that was meant for chat…

Spiny Norman said:

183,000 litres is about 40,300 gallons, not 48,000.

Try telling the Yanks that.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Spiny Norman said:

183,000 litres is about 40,300 gallons, not 48,000.

Try telling the Yanks that.

They’d reckon it hasn’t any litres.

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Spiny Norman said:

183,000 litres is about 40,300 gallons, not 48,000.

Try telling the Yanks that.

They’d reckon it hasn’t any litres.

Yes, the Yanks are illitret .

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Try telling the Yanks that.

They’d reckon it hasn’t any litres.

Yes, the Yanks are illitret .

:)

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

They’d reckon it hasn’t any litres.

Yes, the Yanks are illitret .

:)

illitret. Aah. Illiteration.

Divine Angel said:

The air you are breathing on an airplane is recycled from directly outside of your window. That means you are breathing everything that the airplanes gives off and is flying through. The air that is pumped in isn’t pure oxygen either, it’s mixed with nitrogen, sometimes almost at 50%. To pump a greater amount of oxygen in costs money in terms of fuel and the airlines know this! The nitrogen may affect the times and dosages of medications, make you feel bloated and cause your ankles and joints swell.

http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/food-babe-misinformation-on-travel/

Eyes pop out

Head asplodes

theres a few cases from a few years back that ive read about where both pilot and co pilot couldn’t move and were incapacitated by the stuff coming through the air con units, as far as I know this is an old problem.

On 5 November 2000, both the captain and first officer of a Jersey European Airways BAe 146 became unwell while landing at Birmingham International Airport.(p1) Both became nauseous, and the pilot experienced double vision and had difficulty judging height, but managed to land the aircraft safely.(pp3–4) Both pilots were taken to a hospital but no cause for their illness was found.(p1) The incident investigation report concluded that “There is circumstantial evidence to suggest that the flight crew on G–JEAK were affected by contamination of the air supply, as a result of oil leakage from the auxiliary power unit (APU) cooling fan seal into the APU air stream, and into the ECS system ducting. This contamination allowed fumes to develop, a proportion of which entered the cabin and cockpit air supply.”(p56)

The report noted that both captain and first officer had visited the forward toilet before the onset of their symptoms.(p3) Four years before the G-JEAK incident, another operator reported overuse of a disinfectant (formaldehyde) for the toilets and to clean the galley floor and that inhalation of the fumes from that chemical, would produce similar symptoms reported by both the captain and first officer of G-JEAK. “The CAA notified UK Operators at that time (CAA ref. 10A/380/15, dated 2 August 1996) of this potential hazard, as the misuse of this agent was apparently widespread.”(p31)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerotoxic_syndrome