When I was 5 a religious zealot removed me and my siblings from australia and I spent the next 5 years being schooled by him in India without any social contact. Removal from normal social environments for a growing child is EXTREMELY damaging to that childs language development. Add to that an intermittent school history after the age of 12 and you have a syndrome that borders on clinical.

I would appreciate it if people could put a little more thought into what they assume are the sources of other peoples language barriers. I guarantee not a single one of you can say you’ve walked in my shoes and if you were to I would demand this claim be justified. I don’t hold it against others that they find my language difficult because I have to deal with the mildly dyslexic manner my sentence construction can arrange my words. I know EXACTLY where my limitations effect my progress. You know that trying to understand me messes with your head sometimes.

Postpocelipse said:

Boris said:

after all what others have said to you about learning science you still come out with crap.

As I’ve attempted to convey many times Boris, I have LANGUAGE DEVELOPMENT BASED LEARNING HANDICAP. Your interpretation of the sentences I construct is not an accurate assessment of what I have a comprehension of.

My condition arises from being allowed no forum to express my inner thoughts before the age of 10. I assure you this causes me more discomfort than it causes others. I do not have a comprehension deficit in regard to absorbing information. The process of learning to construct functional sentences is more fundamental than people give it credit for. For instance, if everybody had a functionally developed vocabulary, how could anyone ever genuinely disagree? Seeing as words are entirely definition derived.

i don’t believe you. this is just more of your fantasy world.

you ought be pleased then that mostly language and word-concepts don’t determine reality, that your body stays the right temperature, digestion and excretion happen, and much more extending to internal mental states are not overly mediated by external things, previous, present and future.

I’ve stated why I got online(vocab development/socially engaging/neded to vent) originally. I stayed here because, whether my bluff has obscured it or not, I respect the knowledge, sentiments and characters of the members here. I have used this place as a vehicle of therapy. It has been enormously beneficial and I am managing in life to a far greater degree than I had before I began this process. I’d appreciate people showing consideration for circumstances they have avoided experiencing and can’t fairly evaluate.

transition said:

you ought be pleased then that mostly language and word-concepts don’t determine reality, that your body stays the right temperature, digestion and excretion happen, and much more extending to internal mental states are not overly mediated by external things, previous, present and future.

:D

I am grateful for this every time I notice that I have a nice empty unit to contemplate life from without constant interruption.

Postpocelipse said:

When I was 5 a religious zealot removed me and my siblings from australia and I spent the next 5 years being schooled by him in India without any social contact. Removal from normal social environments for a growing child is EXTREMELY damaging to that childs language development. Add to that an intermittent school history after the age of 12 and you have a syndrome that borders on clinical.

I would appreciate it if people could put a little more thought into what they assume are the sources of other peoples language barriers. I guarantee not a single one of you can say you’ve walked in my shoes and if you were to I would demand this claim be justified. I don’t hold it against others that they find my language difficult because I have to deal with the mildly dyslexic manner my sentence construction can arrange my words. I know EXACTLY where my limitations effect my progress. You know that trying to understand me messes with your head sometimes.

i see where your unbridled fury has sprung from

harness this momentum and give us the full story of your experience

wookiemeister said:

i see where your unbridled fury has sprung from

harness this momentum and give us the full story of your experience

without disparaging some of the insanely empathic comments roughbarked and some others here have provided me, that is about the most sensitive thing someone has said to me that I can remember. I’ll follow your suggestion as I have begun, on the thunderbirds thread to minimise TMD disclosure.

I find it odd getting described with ‘unbridled fury’ or ‘you scare me sometimes’. I’m so used to minimal conversation that my impression of raising my voice or asserting my opinion is basically that I’m being a squeaky wheel to get the grease. Intimidation is an odd phenomena.

you should think of this forum as a sharpening stone on which to smooth your blade over and over again

wookiemeister said:

you should think of this forum as a sharpening stone on which to smooth your blade over and over again

By your leave……

Scientific ideas are independent of the language used to express them.

SCIENCE said:

Scientific ideas are independent of the language used to express them.

and what is a scientific idea of mine?

and what is a scientific idea of mine?

good question. we don’t know as yet. we’ll tell you when you present one.

Boris said:

and what is a scientific idea of mine?

good question. we don’t know as yet. we’ll tell you when you present one.

the point is Boris there is “1” science idea I follow. Mostly I enjoy debate and it badly disappointed me that when I got online the only thing most people seemed capable of debating was there perception of what somebody had to say and what that said about the person. I know when I meet a person who makes a fair effort for anyone they meet. Mostly the rest of the population only makes an effort to consolidate their position within their social group. Pretty sad arrangement for science now isn’t it?

Ask yourself this. What do I gain from debating my friends? If I debate my enemies I learn why we are enemies.

you seem to be the only one that has a problem with the way we communicate. the rest of us appear to do just fine.

Boris said:

you seem to be the only one that has a problem with the way we communicate. the rest of us appear to do just fine.

if you say so. sobody here ever rubs each other the wrong way NOOOO!!! I never see dropbear swearing at kii. NOOOO!!! blah blah blah blah you see what you want to see mate.

There’s a world of difference between comprehension and drafting a reply.

roughbarked said:

There’s a world of difference between comprehension and drafting a reply.

yes it does help if you actually make an effort to understand what another person is thinking before you reply. thank you rb

yes it does help if you actually make an effort to understand what another person is thinking before you reply.

and it also helps if you stick with accepted definitions and not expect others to have to decypher what you are talking about. don’t worry you aren’t the only one here that does this. and you’ll probably notice that they get treated in the same way. funny that.

Boris said:

yes it does help if you actually make an effort to understand what another person is thinking before you reply.

and it also helps if you stick with accepted definitions and not expect others to have to decypher what you are talking about. don’t worry you aren’t the only one here that does this. and you’ll probably notice that they get treated in the same way. funny that.

aaaawww! poor poor Boris and everyone else who has to read between the lines. You must be the type that goes with ‘children should be seen and not heard’.

You may not have noticed Boris but I encourage you to treat me at your worst. No skin off my nose is it?

also people here have tried to help you with science and you basically ignore them and continue on your own way. that is why you get treated as you do. we don’t mind “dumb” people as long as they are willing to learn. you aren’t.

Boris said:

also people here have tried to help you with science and you basically ignore them and continue on your own way. that is why you get treated as you do. we don’t mind “dumb” people as long as they are willing to learn. you aren’t.

yes see my last post Boris. I know who has actually contributed to my pool of knowledge quite distinctly from those who have only sought to take issue with a description I’ve supplied.

“reading between the lines” isn’t the same as decyphering peoples made up definitions.

This what I found while reading between the lines.

Boris said:

“reading between the lines” isn’t the same as decyphering peoples made up definitions.

It is exactly the same if you have rasied children.

Boris said:

“reading between the lines” isn’t the same as decyphering peoples made up definitions.

ie..

it’s snowing here…

and by ‘snowing’, I mean 25 degrees and clear…

I know who has actually contributed to my pool of knowledge quite distinctly from those who have only sought to take issue with a description I’ve supplied.

do you think me that stupid that i can’t follow a thread? i see what others tell you and i see you getting that info and twisting it and not understanding it and applying your own reasoning. they try to help you and you insult them by ignoring what they say.

Postpocelipse said:

Boris said:

“reading between the lines” isn’t the same as decyphering peoples made up definitions.

It is exactly the same if you have rasied children.

If that was the case then all children would be exactly the same?

are you a child postie?

Boris said:

I know who has actually contributed to my pool of knowledge quite distinctly from those who have only sought to take issue with a description I’ve supplied.

do you think me that stupid that i can’t follow a thread? i see what others tell you and i see you getting that info and twisting it and not understanding it and applying your own reasoning. they try to help you and you insult them by ignoring what they say.

Yes that is what you see.

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

Boris said:

“reading between the lines” isn’t the same as decyphering peoples made up definitions.

It is exactly the same if you have rasied children.

If that was the case then all children would be exactly the same?

They are. Only the information they are given is different.

Yes that is what you see.

nice to see you finally admitting that is what you do. now all you have to do is stop it and you’ll find life here a lot easier. unless of course you are a bit of an attention seeker.

Boris said:

are you a child postie?

completely subjective question. What I will say is this. I have explained that I developed a language barrier as a child. I have stated that school was the only thing that I wanted when I was a child. I have stated that I have attempted to learn what I did not get the opportunity to learn in school. I have stated that I have followed a line of physics that is minimally mapped and that this is why my language has not developed accurately. IF I had recieved proper education my conjunctive compilation on the subject would be significantly more accurate.

You assume you understand what I understand by the parts I try to describe that I don’t have direct language to identify. You assume that I want to make it up rather than describe what I see. You make all the assumptions here and don’t ask meaningful questions to resolve them only seek to toy with people you see as inferior of intellect.

Boris said:

Yes that is what you see.

nice to see you finally admitting that is what you do. now all you have to do is stop it and you’ll find life here a lot easier. unless of course you are a bit of an attention seeker.

how was there an admission about anything but what you see there? you told me what you see. why should I disagree with you?

Postpocelipse said:

Boris said:

are you a child postie?

completely subjective question. What I will say is this. I have explained that I developed a language barrier as a child. I have stated that school was the only thing that I wanted when I was a child. I have stated that I have attempted to learn what I did not get the opportunity to learn in school. I have stated that I have followed a line of physics that is minimally mapped and that this is why my language has not developed accurately. IF I had recieved proper education my conjunctive compilation on the subject would be significantly more accurate.

You assume you understand what I understand by the parts I try to describe that I don’t have direct language to identify. You assume that I want to make it up rather than describe what I see. You make all the assumptions here and don’t ask meaningful questions to resolve them only seek to toy with people you see as inferior of intellect.

have you pursued further education in a related field?
if what you say above is true, even investing in a decent dictionary and thesaurus would help you

If anyone had had complete succes reading between my lines they would have identified that the modelling I’ve been working on is an attempt to measure the mean rest mass of the DM particle. This is an entirlely fair goal to aim to achieve if you know you are trying to achieve it. I have only last night understood what I have been seeking to do. I don’t blame anyone for being confused by my trying to identify what I was attempting but concluding you have any firm comprehension of my pool of knowledge is empirically unsupportable since you are not my teacher.

ok postie. we are all wrong and you are right.

stumpy_seahorse said:

have you pursued further education in a related field?
if what you say above is true, even investing in a decent dictionary and thesaurus would help you

It’s a bit more complex than that. There were times when I was young I took to memorising the dictionary(as long as I could keep myself applied to it and all).

Boris said:

ok postie. we are all wrong and you are right.

If the subject is “me” what do you know about it better than I do buddy? You are patronising and condescending and manifestly ignorant of others you don’t have time for. Your attempts to talk DOWN to me are contrived and sycophantic to your friends. IMO anyway. I don’t assert my opinions as any sort of universal phenomena.

Postpocelipse said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

have you pursued further education in a related field?
if what you say above is true, even investing in a decent dictionary and thesaurus would help you

It’s a bit more complex than that. There were times when I was young I took to memorising the dictionary(as long as I could keep myself applied to it and all).

just remember, the school system relys on marking students on their understanding of traditional definitions of words.
you are going to have a young mind living with you soon, how much are you going to compromise his chances of successfully passing schooling when he picks up your outlook on words?

I didn’t post this thread to discuss myself. I see that people who are seeking comprehension in the world get discouraged by the way they are treated when their education hasn’t matched that of others so that they are clearly understood. It is an easy trap to fall into to but that doesn’t mean it should be coscientiously promoted.

stumpy_seahorse said:

Postpocelipse said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

have you pursued further education in a related field?
if what you say above is true, even investing in a decent dictionary and thesaurus would help you

It’s a bit more complex than that. There were times when I was young I took to memorising the dictionary(as long as I could keep myself applied to it and all).

just remember, the school system relys on marking students on their understanding of traditional definitions of words.
you are going to have a young mind living with you soon, how much are you going to compromise his chances of successfully passing schooling when he picks up your outlook on words?

I haven’t been trying to pass a test. I’ve been trying to isolate a hypthesis whch involved predicting the mean rest mass of the DM particle. Now that has been identified I might be able to talk about the subject directly rather than skirting around endless peripheries trying to identify ehat is directly a factor that can be measured. I have a good vocabulary on subjects that I’ve already clearly defined the constituents of. My son will not have language issues provide by me. I have a very clear comprehension of what promotes language barriers and in a child the PRIMARY focus is self understandng. If a parent EVER belittles a child IT DOES NOT get resolved without SERIOUS effort.

I believe education is the only sustenance of the mind and the primary factor that will improve the world. Discouraging learning is abhorrent, even if not directly intended.

PENNY WONG FOR PM!!!!!

>I didn’t post this thread to discuss myself

go say anything be say something of self
being asleep is to be something
even ‘m dead were’n‘re somethin’ to else
not necessarily most in speakin’
enjoy that quiet inner world is to ya health
home in your head it be keeping
your home, equilibrium, unworded wealth

Postpocelipse said:

I didn’t post this thread to discuss myself.

raises eyebrow…

:-)

// I didn’t post this thread to discuss myself.

No need to read between the lines, just read the lines themselves: I think the contributor who contributed this

tokyo3.org/forums/holiday/posts/683934/

makes the case pretty clear.

Boris said:

:-)

I think the correct term is /* Ô.Ô */.

Arts said:

Postpocelipse said:

I didn’t post this thread to discuss myself.

raises eyebrow…

You don’t think the subject of language barriers is fair for debate? You don’t think the fact that I’ve spent 5 years investigating what contributes to gaps in comprehension between 2 people becoming gulfs means I might have meaningful insight on the subject?

Debate is the distinction between a discussion and an argument. Opinion airing is not debate and seeks to end attention to an objective discussion by diversion to a subjective one. If an opinion can’t be reviewed by supplying relevant data that opinion can only be viewed as delusional and irrelevant. Seeking to identify the object of a study is neither opinionated nor delusional. It is simply investigative, which follows that the most ANY of you can say about what you know about me DECISIVELY is that I’m “investigative”.

stumpy_seahorse said:

Postpocelipse said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

have you pursued further education in a related field?
if what you say above is true, even investing in a decent dictionary and thesaurus would help you

It’s a bit more complex than that. There were times when I was young I took to memorising the dictionary(as long as I could keep myself applied to it and all).

just remember, the school system relys on marking students on their understanding of traditional definitions of words.
you are going to have a young mind living with you soon, how much are you going to compromise his chances of successfully passing schooling when he picks up your outlook on words?

It is a fair point, stumpy.

SCIENCE said:

Boris said:

:-)

I think the correct term is /* Ô.Ô */.

Ô¡Ô .. fixed

stumpy_seahorse said:

Postpocelipse said:

It’s a bit more complex than that. There were times when I was young I took to memorising the dictionary(as long as I could keep myself applied to it and all).

just remember, the school system relys on marking students on their understanding of traditional definitions of words.
you are going to have a young mind living with you soon, how much are you going to compromise his chances of successfully passing schooling when he picks up your outlook on words?

You really are taking your assumptions too far. You are quite aware I have no issue with description in any area bar physics. That issue stemmed from the specific case that I had been attempting to model a particle that does not conform to EM relativity without understanding that was what I was doing. This oversight has been addressed and my language will conform to physics from now on because I have identified what I am studying concisely. I challenge anyone here to beat me in ANY war of words.

Postpocelipse said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

Postpocelipse said:

It’s a bit more complex than that. There were times when I was young I took to memorising the dictionary(as long as I could keep myself applied to it and all).

just remember, the school system relys on marking students on their understanding of traditional definitions of words.
you are going to have a young mind living with you soon, how much are you going to compromise his chances of successfully passing schooling when he picks up your outlook on words?

You really are taking your assumptions too far. You are quite aware I have no issue with description in any area bar physics. That issue stemmed from the specific case that I had been attempting to model a particle that does not conform to EM relativity without understanding that was what I was doing. This oversight has been addressed and my language will conform to physics from now on because I have identified what I am studying concisely. I challenge anyone here to beat me in ANY war of words.

challenge accepted…

define ‘inacceleratable object’.

define ‘immovable object’

stumpy_seahorse said:

challenge accepted…

define ‘inacceleratable object’.

define ‘immovable object’

That isn’t a war. Once that is done concisely it would describe the nature of all paradoxes related to physics. We both have to be involved in a ‘war’. It should at least take the form of a debate. You can choose the subject.

I could cheat and give the short explanation which is; an icceleratable object is a photon and an immovable object is a neutrino. The challenge was to try to beat me with you capacity for constructive word usage.

Postpocelipse said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

challenge accepted…

define ‘inacceleratable object’.

define ‘immovable object’

That isn’t a war. Once that is done concisely it would describe the nature of all paradoxes related to physics. We both have to be involved in a ‘war’. It should at least take the form of a debate. You can choose the subject.

ok…

Having limited social contact before the age of 12 impairs your expression language in the field of physics, but no other field..

K-go

stumpy_seahorse said:

Postpocelipse said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

challenge accepted…

define ‘inacceleratable object’.

define ‘immovable object’

That isn’t a war. Once that is done concisely it would describe the nature of all paradoxes related to physics. We both have to be involved in a ‘war’. It should at least take the form of a debate. You can choose the subject.

ok…

Having limited social contact before the age of 12 impairs your expression language in the field of physics, but no other field..

K-go

Language barrier 1.That is not accurate. First, I returned to aus when I was 10. I went through school till yr10 but after yr7 I was not achieving the same results because my parents had split and this changed many dynamics. Second, not understanding that I was studying the spacetime associations of DM led to my not knowing where to apply accepted terminology to it’s definition. This has now been addressed.It has been said that the DM particle is a non-relative particle. It might become understandable that applying relativity language to such dynamics might represent a challenge on it’s own let alone if one is unaware that is what they are applied to.

Neg-social contact before the age 10 results largely in a dissociation with the self. My psyche was conditioned to seek to please others while being actively conditined to ignore my own evaluation of events. Once the conditioning factor was removed I was left free to experience my own limitations. This was done with little comprehension of the degree of removal from normal bounds I had experienced. Inevitably this resulted in my sub-dividing what had simply been classified as ‘others’ till then into two basic groups. People who were unfair and people who were friends…….

I have a couple of things left to do before my obligations for the week are dusted off. I will continue where I left off when I return.

and an immovable object is a neutrino.

wrong.

Postpocelipse said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

Postpocelipse said:

That isn’t a war. Once that is done concisely it would describe the nature of all paradoxes related to physics. We both have to be involved in a ‘war’. It should at least take the form of a debate. You can choose the subject.

ok…

Having limited social contact before the age of 12 impairs your expression language in the field of physics, but no other field..

K-go

Language barrier 1.That is not accurate. First, I returned to aus when I was 10. I went through school till yr10 but after yr7 I was not achieving the same results because my parents had split and this changed many dynamics. Second, not understanding that I was studying the spacetime associations of DM led to my not knowing where to apply accepted terminology to it’s definition. This has now been addressed.It has been said that the DM particle is a non-relative particle. It might become understandable that applying relativity language to such dynamics might represent a challenge on it’s own let alone if one is unaware that is what they are applied to.

Neg-social contact before the age 10 results largely in a dissociation with the self. My psyche was conditioned to seek to please others while being actively conditined to ignore my own evaluation of events. Once the conditioning factor was removed I was left free to experience my own limitations. This was done with little comprehension of the degree of removal from normal bounds I had experienced. Inevitably this resulted in my sub-dividing what had simply been classified as ‘others’ till then into two basic groups. People who were unfair and people who were friends…….

tl;dr

Postpocelipse said:

I could cheat and give the short explanation which is; an icceleratable object is a photon and an immovable object is a neutrino. The challenge was to try to beat me with you capacity for constructive word usage.

I’m going to change this to a more accurate and relevant conclusion. An immovable object is an EM regulated particle, an inacceleratable object is a Volume regulated particle. I’ll provide the explanation on the zero degree thread to see if it holds water after I’ve addressed this thread. I do critically review all my assumptions. That skill I have honed here and the reason I continued to address what I was studying physics wise to this forum regardless of the manner in which I was responded to. I genuinely understand your confusion. When I first got online I had never spent time constructing so many sentences so quickly. When I read back some of the stuff I’d ended up submitting I quickly discovered the requirement for proof-reading and editing.

Boris said:

and an immovable object is a neutrino.

wrong.

Debate requires you justify that. I would have justified the reason I threw it in there. Now you’ll have to justify your assumption before I’ll do so.

nah, you justify it. you claimed it. be a good lesson in how science is done.

stumpy_seahorse said:

tl;dr

Boris said:

nah, you justify it. you claimed it. be a good lesson in how science is done.

I’ll justify what I changed my answer to as I promised. If you aren’t going to make an effort why should I? It’s not like I came here to convince anyone of anything.

just make something up.

Postpocelipse said:

Boris said:

nah, you justify it. you claimed it. be a good lesson in how science is done.

I’ll justify what I changed my answer to as I promised. If you aren’t going to make an effort why should I? It’s not like I came here to convince anyone of anything.

I mean for fuck sake, how many times have I said that I came here for vocabulary exercise, social contact and to vent, in that order? The subject I’m interested in just happened to give me a vehicle to choose what type of forum I’d use. It turned out to also provide a very interesting case study on this particular issue. I’ve tried to be entertaining along the way so you wouldn’t throw me out. I don’t blame you for being convinced either. As I said I was conditioned to please people while others were learning just to get along. I know how to allow people to think I’m stupid and nuts is just too easy.

Boris said:

just make something up.

I’ve done that many times nobhead. Try picking which ones were just playing and which ones were when I was genuinely trying to work something out. That will impress me.

Postpocelipse said:

Boris said:

and an immovable object is a neutrino.

wrong.

Debate requires you justify that. I would have justified the reason I threw it in there. Now you’ll have to justify your assumption before I’ll do so.

what type of neutrino?

or all 3?

stumpy_seahorse said:

Postpocelipse said:

Boris said:

and an immovable object is a neutrino.

wrong.

Debate requires you justify that. I would have justified the reason I threw it in there. Now you’ll have to justify your assumption before I’ll do so.

what type of neutrino?

or all 3?

That will likely be addressed on the zero degree thread.

wibble as geoff would say. and he’d be right.

Boris said:

wibble as geoff would say. and he’d be right.

if you say so. You don’t seem to get that I’d FAAARRR prefer to spend my time writing than being a scientist. I’ve taken advantage of that interest to develop my descriptive skills. Do you think I would have stuck it out just to get attention on science stuff? double if you say so.

the only reason I’m explaining any of this is because of how tiring it is finding characters to maintain method for.

here’s one for Buffy.

http://www.sciencealert.com/here-s-the-science-behind-that-goddamn-dress

Sorry for your troubles, Postpoc. I hope things are okay now.

dv said:

Sorry for your troubles, Postpoc. I hope things are okay now.

I’m a little bit nervy. See Xander on sunday. Thanks for the thought. :)

Postpocelipse said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

Postpocelipse said:

That isn’t a war. Once that is done concisely it would describe the nature of all paradoxes related to physics. We both have to be involved in a ‘war’. It should at least take the form of a debate. You can choose the subject.

ok…

Having limited social contact before the age of 12 impairs your expression language in the field of physics, but no other field..

K-go

Language barrier 1.That is not accurate. First, I returned to aus when I was 10. I went through school till yr10 but after yr7 I was not achieving the same results because my parents had split and this changed many dynamics. Second, not understanding that I was studying the spacetime associations of DM led to my not knowing where to apply accepted terminology to it’s definition. This has now been addressed.It has been said that the DM particle is a non-relative particle. It might become understandable that applying relativity language to such dynamics might represent a challenge on it’s own let alone if one is unaware that is what they are applied to.

Neg-social contact before the age 10 results largely in a dissociation with the self. My psyche was conditioned to seek to please others while being actively conditined to ignore my own evaluation of events. Once the conditioning factor was removed I was left free to experience my own limitations. This was done with little comprehension of the degree of removal from normal bounds I had experienced. Inevitably this resulted in my sub-dividing what had simply been classified as ‘others’ till then into two basic groups. People who were unfair and people who were friends…….

To define the OP and this personal anecdote under the title’s context further will require referencing the language barriers of groups rather than individuals if it is to be relevant to why I ultimately posted the thread. To further define the entropy of my classsification of others mostly involves the intervention of the sub-division between males and females and has only limited relevance. I’ll get round to completing your challenge s_s but in accordance with the reason I posted the thread.

The posting of this thread is intended to examine and isolate common social barriers that originate in childhood development and is largely language based. This has a similar structure to the manner in which humans have differentiated the color blue and considerable complex. The thread was posted in response to the context of the chat discussion at that time but intended to describe the subject from a greater context than the OP. I apologise if this is not identified in the OP.

• The posting of this thread is intended to examine and isolate common social barriers that originate in childhood development and is largely language based.

I read something that might shed some light but it is offline and so I have no link…

furious said:

• The posting of this thread is intended to examine and isolate common social barriers that originate in childhood development and is largely language based.

I read something that might shed some light but it is offline and so I have no link…

do you have a scanner to produce an image?

I will find the magazine (New Scientist) and see if I can elaborate…

furious said:

I will find the magazine (New Scientist) and see if I can elaborate…

ooh cheers. :D

Early Isolation Impairs Brain Connections

“Early isolation and neglect can produce lasting cognitive damage, ranging from severe emotional instability to mental retardation.”

furious said:

Early Isolation Impairs Brain Connections

“Early isolation and neglect can produce lasting cognitive damage, ranging from severe emotional instability to mental retardation.”

There is a bit of a connection between this and the new lip muscle thread. The subject of that thread defines emotional development from the biological aspect. This one defines it from the developmental and cognitive aspects.

I tried. Found the article. Used keywords to search. Found the link. Oh well…

>little more thought into what they assume are the sources of other peoples language barriers…”

little ol’ tends his internal monologue
which sometimes goes to dialogue
and too he does he soliloquizes a lot
most that thinkin’ in words tries not

keeping the ease in that mentalese
maintaining ‘m internal mental states
equilibrium a mental state it please
own it so it is my home homeostasis

transition said:

>little more thought into what they assume are the sources of other peoples language barriers…”

little ol’ tends his internal monologue
which sometimes goes to dialogue
and too he does he soliloquizes a lot
most that thinkin’ in words tries not

keeping the ease in that mentalese
maintaining ‘m internal mental states
equilibrium a mental state it please
own it so it is my home homeostasis

I think that is very appropriate transition. thanks

Postpocelipse said:

Neg-social contact before the age 10 results largely in a dissociation with the self. My psyche was conditioned to seek to please others while being actively conditined to ignore my own evaluation of events. Once the conditioning factor was removed I was left free to experience my own limitations. This was done with little comprehension of the degree of removal from normal bounds I had experienced. Inevitably this resulted in my sub-dividing what had simply been classified as ‘others’ till then into two basic groups. People who were unfair and people who were friends…….

I didn’t introduce my experience of defining people into groups to suggest that I have a comprehension of fairness with any distinction to that of others. It was not intil the first foster homes I lived in during my early teens that I began to mentally acknowledge that I didn’t agree with some of the decisions and actions of adults. For those who begin attending school at the normal age I assume this mental process begins about then and is allowed room to become functional and familiar through association with friends and referral to their thoughts as comparison.

Though we might not have always agreed my siblings and I remained very close, while we were displaced from Australian culture, as a means to maintain a mental equilibrium in a disorienting environment with many unpredictables. When we returned to Australia and entered school those of my siblings who had left Australia with my parents had been provided a minimum of social complexity. For myself this resulted in the development of anxiety when speaking to strangers which causes me to garble my thoughts when communicating with people I am minimally familiar. This was something I became aware of fairly quickly and I have worked on it for a long time.

This would have been fairly straight forward a task if I did not have a couple of contributing factors that exaggerated the anxiety symptoms to a chronic level. The first was an accident at age 11 that crushed the left hand side of my ribcage. This was not treated as I was on my own when it happened. The second was the development of a nor-adrenalin metabolisation issue. The first limited my lung capacity and the development of nervous system on that side and the nor-adrenalin meant that I started experiencing panic attacks in social contexts I was unfamiliar with. These factors contributeded an ongoing sense of growing disorientation that I could not define until each problem was identified and began to be treated. I was 25 when I tried to stand up from a couch and couldn’t and 36 when I began medication for the nor-adrenalin.

My case is exaggerated by the effects of incidental neglect and neglect is a major component of the language barrier factors present in social under-development. School allows a 5-6 year old to engage in social behavior that evolves as the childs sense of right and wrong good and bad etc develops. By ten years old the children I went to school with had a sophisticated social group and complex perception of adults that confounded me till after I found a means to remove myself from school at 15. In that time I developed socially but my experience with adults limited my perception of authority from developing until I was on my own and fending for myself.

I’ve provided this summary for reference in analogy of the mental development of others that have experienced extremes of social confinement through developmental years. I’m not sure there is any way to avoid these circumstances and not entirely up to date on how they are addressed if and when identified early enought to have a lasting effect into adult years. Treatment of something that becomes a mental condition in an adult can be avoided if social isolation is identified as something important to be defined by teachers in school and addressed proactively. It’s a complex subject so I’ve started about here.