Date: 2/03/2015 19:37:04
From: CrazyNeutrino
ID: 687233
Subject: Earth’s Other ‘Moon’

Earth’s Other ‘Moon’ And Its Crazy Orbit Could Reveal Mysteries Of The Solar System

We all know and love the moon. We’re so assured that we only have one that we don’t even give it a specific name. It is the brightest object in the night sky, and amateur astronomers take great delight in mapping its craters and seas. To date, it is the only other heavenly body with human footprints.

What you might not know is that the moon is not the Earth’s only natural satellite. As recently as 1997, we discovered that another body, 3753 Cruithne, is what’s called a quasi-orbital satellite of Earth. This simply means that Cruithne doesn’t loop around the Earth in a nice ellipse in the same way as the moon, or indeed the artificial satellites we loft into orbit. Instead, Cruithne scuttles around the inner solar system in what’s called a “horseshoe” orbit.

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Date: 2/03/2015 19:42:42
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 687239
Subject: re: Earth’s Other ‘Moon’

There was a thing on QI the other night saying we have 1000’s of moons.

On the other hand Brian Cox still says we have just one.

So I guess it depends how you define it.

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Date: 2/03/2015 19:45:50
From: CrazyNeutrino
ID: 687240
Subject: re: Earth’s Other ‘Moon’

The Rev Dodgson said:


There was a thing on QI the other night saying we have 1000’s of moons.

On the other hand Brian Cox still says we have just one.

So I guess it depends how you define it.

3753 Cruithne is 5 km across, the others are probably way smaller

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Date: 2/03/2015 19:48:23
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 687244
Subject: re: Earth’s Other ‘Moon’

CrazyNeutrino said:


Earth’s Other ‘Moon’ And Its Crazy Orbit Could Reveal Mysteries Of The Solar System

We all know and love the moon. We’re so assured that we only have one that we don’t even give it a specific name. It is the brightest object in the night sky, and amateur astronomers take great delight in mapping its craters and seas. To date, it is the only other heavenly body with human footprints.

What you might not know is that the moon is not the Earth’s only natural satellite. As recently as 1997, we discovered that another body, 3753 Cruithne, is what’s called a quasi-orbital satellite of Earth. This simply means that Cruithne doesn’t loop around the Earth in a nice ellipse in the same way as the moon, or indeed the artificial satellites we loft into orbit. Instead, Cruithne scuttles around the inner solar system in what’s called a “horseshoe” orbit.

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> is what’s called a quasi-orbital satellite of Earth … So Cruithne is our second moon.

No, it isn’t called either of those. It’s called a co-orbital of Earth, in the same way that the well-known Trojan asteroids are co-orbitals of Jupiter.

> Astronomers have actually detected several other quasi-orbital satellites that belong to the Earth, all here for a little while before caroming on to pastures new.

Poorly phrased. Cruithne was the first and largest of the known co-orbitals of Earth, and it is also in the most stable long-term orbit. The other co-orbitals join Earth’s orbit around the sun for a while, several years to several hundred years, before being ejected into completely different orbits. The others that I’ve seen reported (which is probably not all) are not in horseshoe orbits like Cruithne but in temporary very long non-elliptical orbits around the Earth itself.

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Date: 2/03/2015 20:09:40
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 687256
Subject: re: Earth’s Other ‘Moon’

The Rev Dodgson said:


There was a thing on QI the other night saying we have 1000’s of moons.

On the other hand Brian Cox still says we have just one.

So I guess it depends how you define it.

QI is wrong. At the end of that segment of QI, Stephen Fry said words to the effect that NASA calls them moonlets rather than moons.

The five co-orbitals I’ve known about are “(3753) Cruithne, (3362) Khufu, 1989 VA, 1993 WD and 1994 TF2.” See http://arxiv.org/pdf/astro-ph/9904016.pdf for instance, from the year 1999.

“Lagrange demonstrated the existence of five equilibrium positions in the three-body problem. Those that form an equilateral triangle with the Sun and the planet, the leading L4 point and trailing L5 point, are stable to small displacements. However, it was not until the subsequent discovery of the first Trojan asteroid, (588) Achilles, near the L 4 point in the Sun-Jupiter system that a real example of such motion was first observed. There are now known to be at least 400 Trojan asteroids in the orbit of Jupiter, and at least one, (5261) Eureka, near Mars’s L5 point; there are also three examples of Trojan moons in the Saturnian system. In fact, all the known Trojan objects are librating about L4 or L5 points and their orbits are often referred to as tadpoles (or T orbits) because of their shape with respect to the equilibrium position, as viewed in the frame rotating with
the mean angular velocity (mean motion) of the planet.”

“When the angular amplitudes of the leading and trailing tadpoles are sufficiently large, the orbits merge near the unstable L3 point located 180◦ from the planet; the resulting paths in the rotating frame are referred to as horseshoes (or H orbits). A variation on such a structure is seen in the orbits of Janus and Epimetheus, the coorbital satellites of Saturn. In this particular case, a good theoretical understanding of the peculiar orbital
dynamics is possible because of the low eccentricities (e < 0.01) and inclinations (I < 0.4◦) of both objects. In contrast, it has recently been discovered that asteroid (3753) Cruithne, previously designated 1986TO, performs a temporary horseshoe-like orbit with respect to the Earth. This is a more extreme example that has been difficult to incorporate in an analytical theory because of Cruithne’s large eccentricity (e = 0.515) and inclination (I = 19.8◦).”

I have yet to see the “1000’s” paper that QI was referring to. In fact, I strongly suspect that no such paper ever existed, and that QI was misquoting a stray comment by one of the many NASA employees.

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Date: 3/03/2015 02:23:32
From: roughbarked
ID: 687484
Subject: re: Earth’s Other ‘Moon’

not sure scuttle is applicable to hoof beats.

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Date: 4/03/2015 05:27:15
From: Ian
ID: 687985
Subject: re: Earth’s Other ‘Moon’

Which is correct?

The linked article calls Cruithne a quasi-orbital satellite of Earth, molly calls it co-orbital of Earth while various edits of Wikipedia call it a planetoid, minor planet, an asteroid, an Aten asteroid or a quasi-satellite.

Currently wiki has two bob each way with:

“3753 Cruithne is an Aten asteroid in orbit around the Sun in 1:1 orbital resonance with Earth, making it a co-orbital object. It is a minor planet in solar orbit that, relative to Earth, orbits in a bean-shaped orbit that ultimately effectively describes a horseshoe, and which can transition into a quasi-satellite orbit.”

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Date: 4/03/2015 05:31:14
From: btm
ID: 687986
Subject: re: Earth’s Other ‘Moon’

Ian said:


Which is correct?

The linked article calls Cruithne a quasi-orbital satellite of Earth, molly calls it co-orbital of Earth while various edits of Wikipedia call it a planetoid, minor planet, an asteroid, an Aten asteroid or a quasi-satellite.

Currently wiki has two bob each way with:

“3753 Cruithne is an Aten asteroid in orbit around the Sun in 1:1 orbital resonance with Earth, making it a co-orbital object. It is a minor planet in solar orbit that, relative to Earth, orbits in a bean-shaped orbit that ultimately effectively describes a horseshoe, and which can transition into a quasi-satellite orbit.”

3753 Cruithne is an asteroid in orbit about the sun, and not about the Earth. The “1:1 resonance” means that its orbit takes approximately 1 year, just like Earth’s orbit. If you watch it from the earth for a full two years, it appears to follow a horseshoe-shaped orbit; its orbit is more eccentric than Earth’s, and on an angle to the ecliptic. 3753 Cruithne is not a moon of Earth.

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Date: 4/03/2015 13:00:18
From: Ian
ID: 688131
Subject: re: Earth’s Other ‘Moon’

>3753 Cruithne is not a moon of Earth

No. Not a moon.

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Date: 4/03/2015 13:07:05
From: CrazyNeutrino
ID: 688133
Subject: re: Earth’s Other ‘Moon’

Ian said:


>3753 Cruithne is not a moon of Earth

No. Not a moon.

Moonlet?

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Date: 4/03/2015 14:01:43
From: Ian
ID: 688145
Subject: re: Earth’s Other ‘Moon’

CrazyNeutrino said:


Ian said:

>3753 Cruithne is not a moon of Earth

No. Not a moon.

Moonlet?

Moon unit?

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