Would global renewable energy supply provide the basis of a stable global economy?

Postpocelipse said:

Would global renewable energy supply provide the basis of a stable global economy?

No.

sibeen said:

Postpocelipse said:

Would global renewable energy supply provide the basis of a stable global economy?

No.

It would not supply a level playing ground for minor economies?

Postpocelipse said:

sibeen said:

Postpocelipse said:

Would global renewable energy supply provide the basis of a stable global economy?

No.

It would not supply a level playing ground for minor economies?

No.

sibeen said:

Postpocelipse said:

sibeen said:

No.

It would not supply a level playing ground for minor economies?

No.

I don’t think you are trying.

renewable energy ≠ free ≠ cheap.

I don’t think you are trying.

he is.

sibeen said:

renewable energy ≠ free ≠ cheap.

I should be more specific with factors. Let’s say in 100 years renewable energy has become self sufficient. I’m not providing RE as a means to reach a stabilised global economy. From the position we are in progress would be required in various areas. What would be the set of goals that would provide a stable global economy? I’m assuming a renewable energy compnonent might be one of these.

ChrispenEvan said:

I don’t think you are trying.

he is.

I’ll forgive him. Sick children have precedence.

Postpocelipse said:

sibeen said:

renewable energy ≠ free ≠ cheap.

I should be more specific with factors. Let’s say in 100 years renewable energy has become self sufficient. I’m not providing RE as a means to reach a stabilised global economy. From the position we are in progress would be required in various areas. What would be the set of goals that would provide a stable global economy? I’m assuming a renewable energy compnonent might be one of these.

I don’t think an economy anywhere, anytime, has ever been stable over a decent period of time.

I cannot see that ever changing.

sibeen said:

Postpocelipse said:

sibeen said:

renewable energy ≠ free ≠ cheap.

I should be more specific with factors. Let’s say in 100 years renewable energy has become self sufficient. I’m not providing RE as a means to reach a stabilised global economy. From the position we are in progress would be required in various areas. What would be the set of goals that would provide a stable global economy? I’m assuming a renewable energy compnonent might be one of these.

I don’t think an economy anywhere, anytime, has ever been stable over a decent period of time.

I cannot see that ever changing.

Why not? Infrastructure and technology have to overtake our maintenance issues at some point.

Postpocelipse said:

Why not? Infrastructure and technology have to overtake our maintenance issues at some point.

I have no idea what that sentence means.

sibeen said:

Postpocelipse said:

Why not? Infrastructure and technology have to overtake our maintenance issues at some point.

I have no idea what that sentence means.

Our current maintenance issues are employment and development. In 45 years it’s projected that the economy will be almost entirely capital driven. This cannot simply imply that there will no longer be a requirement for employment. If there is not technological progress that accomodates lower cost to the consumer for service delivery what is the proposal for a stable economy?

sibeen said:

Postpocelipse said:

sibeen said:

renewable energy ≠ free ≠ cheap.

I should be more specific with factors. Let’s say in 100 years renewable energy has become self sufficient. I’m not providing RE as a means to reach a stabilised global economy. From the position we are in progress would be required in various areas. What would be the set of goals that would provide a stable global economy? I’m assuming a renewable energy compnonent might be one of these.

I don’t think an economy anywhere, anytime, has ever been stable over a decent period of time.

I cannot see that ever changing.

lights pipe

There was a time Sibeen, a time long long ago where our four fathers lived a rustic village life.
A time when everyone owned a horse and there was a stable economy.
A time when the rude but proud blacksmith would fashion a plough with heat and muscle under the spreading chestnut tree.
A time when the ploughman would plod his weary way home dictated by the rise and set of the sun.
A time when seasons of bounty were celebrated on the village common.
It’s a time that you may not have liked, it was a time with no electricity.

there was just four of them PWM?

Peak Warming Man said:

sibeen said:

Postpocelipse said:

I should be more specific with factors. Let’s say in 100 years renewable energy has become self sufficient. I’m not providing RE as a means to reach a stabilised global economy. From the position we are in progress would be required in various areas. What would be the set of goals that would provide a stable global economy? I’m assuming a renewable energy compnonent might be one of these.

I don’t think an economy anywhere, anytime, has ever been stable over a decent period of time.

I cannot see that ever changing.

lights pipe

There was a time Sibeen, a time long long ago where our four fathers lived a rustic village life.
A time when everyone owned a horse and there was a stable economy.
A time when the rude but proud blacksmith would fashion a plough with heat and muscle under the spreading chestnut tree.
A time when the ploughman would plod his weary way home dictated by the rise and set of the sun.
A time when seasons of bounty were celebrated on the village common.
It’s a time that you may not have liked, it was a time with no electricity.

…and then they had an especially cold winter and everybody died.

It was the grouse :)

Postpocelipse said:

Would global renewable energy supply provide the basis of a stable global economy?

economies aren’t meant to be stable

wookiemeister said:

Postpocelipse said:

Would global renewable energy supply provide the basis of a stable global economy?

economies aren’t meant to be stable

“And life wasn’t meant to be easy”

bob(from black rock) said:

wookiemeister said:

Postpocelipse said:

Would global renewable energy supply provide the basis of a stable global economy?

economies aren’t meant to be stable

“And life wasn’t meant to be easy”

managed chaos. without chaos there are no profits.

you have to smite the population on a regular basis to keep it down from developing. cheap, clean , plentiful power is the total opposite on how economies are run. scarcity is manufactured.

Postpocelipse said:

Would global renewable energy supply provide the basis of a stable global economy?

what exactly do you mean by ‘stable economy’

wookiemeister said:

you have to smite the population on a regular basis to keep it down from developing. cheap, clean , plentiful power is the total opposite on how economies are run. scarcity is manufactured.

no

diddly-squat said:

Postpocelipse said:

Would global renewable energy supply provide the basis of a stable global economy?

what exactly do you mean by ‘stable economy’

Avoidance of economic crashes. In the worst case, the global economic crash is so bad that more than 90% of the world’s population dies through malnutrition or fighting.

No. The world economy could easily crash with a global renewable energy supply. And conversely, a global renewable energy supply is not a necessary prerequisite for a stable world economy.

mollwollfumble said:

diddly-squat said:

Postpocelipse said:

Would global renewable energy supply provide the basis of a stable global economy?

what exactly do you mean by ‘stable economy’

Avoidance of economic crashes. In the worst case, the global economic crash is so bad that more than 90% of the world’s population dies through malnutrition or fighting.

No. The world economy could easily crash with a global renewable energy supply. And conversely, a global renewable energy supply is not a necessary prerequisite for a stable world economy.

Possibly it would first be appropriate to identify what is considered a stable economy before I offer my revolutionary thinking on the subject. ;)

mollwollfumble said:

. And conversely, a global renewable energy supply is not a necessary prerequisite for a stable world economy.

It will be sooner of later.

The Rev Dodgson said:

mollwollfumble said:

. And conversely, a global renewable energy supply is not a necessary prerequisite for a stable world economy.

It will be sooner of later.

A part of which will be water use management?

The Rev Dodgson said:

mollwollfumble said:

. And conversely, a global renewable energy supply is not a necessary prerequisite for a stable world economy.

It will be sooner of later.

What are the prerequisites for stable economy? The idea of growth can only be a means to an end. What is the direction of the economy in terms of goals?

Postpocelipse said:

Would global renewable energy supply provide the basis of a stable global economy?

It possibly might start a large war as nations whose GDP is mostly based on income from oil, gas, coal, etc suddenly have a vastly reduce income. I wonder if say you invented a cheap, easily mass manufactured fusion reactor that uses deuterium derived from sea water and then gave them away would you be thanked or killed as many people with opposing interests suddenly are no longer required. Energy generation gives great power to those that own them and they won’t give that power up easily.

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

mollwollfumble said:

. And conversely, a global renewable energy supply is not a necessary prerequisite for a stable world economy.

It will be sooner of later.

A part of which will be water use management?

I’d put water management first and assume that would inevitably incorporate power management.

Cymek said:

Postpocelipse said:

Would global renewable energy supply provide the basis of a stable global economy?

It possibly might start a large war as nations whose GDP is mostly based on income from oil, gas, coal, etc suddenly have a vastly reduce income. I wonder if say you invented a cheap, easily mass manufactured fusion reactor that uses deuterium derived from sea water and then gave them away would you be thanked or killed as many people with opposing interests suddenly are no longer required. Energy generation gives great power to those that own them and they won’t give that power up easily.

The long term sustainability of industry should be constantly re-evaluated. If it isn’t meeting genuine demand why should it be supported?

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

It will be sooner of later.

A part of which will be water use management?

I’d put water management first and assume that would inevitably incorporate power management.

Can’t have power management without water management.

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

A part of which will be water use management?

I’d put water management first and assume that would inevitably incorporate power management.

Can’t have power management without water management.

A concise global water management would be a powerful tool.

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

Postpocelipse said:

I’d put water management first and assume that would inevitably incorporate power management.

Can’t have power management without water management.

A concise global water management would be a powerful tool.

http://money.cnn.com/2014/04/24/news/water-gold-price/

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

It will be sooner of later.

A part of which will be water use management?

I’d put water management first and assume that would inevitably incorporate power management.

We already have a sustainable water purification system that in most places supplies more than enough fresh water, whereas we don’t have sustainable energy systems supplying all of a countries needs anywhere, so I’m not sure why water management is seen as a higher priority than energy management.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

A part of which will be water use management?

I’d put water management first and assume that would inevitably incorporate power management.

We already have a sustainable water purification system that in most places supplies more than enough fresh water, whereas we don’t have sustainable energy systems supplying all of a countries needs anywhere, so I’m not sure why water management is seen as a higher priority than energy management.

Third world countries are largely evaluated on water supply. Globally it isn’t sufficiently managed. Achieving that would likely improve power infrastructure on it’s own.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Postpocelipse said:

roughbarked said:

A part of which will be water use management?

I’d put water management first and assume that would inevitably incorporate power management.

We already have a sustainable water purification system that in most places supplies more than enough fresh water, whereas we don’t have sustainable energy systems supplying all of a countries needs anywhere, so I’m not sure why water management is seen as a higher priority than energy management.

Show me which energy management requiring nil water management?

Postpocelipse said:

Third world countries are largely evaluated on water supply.

What do you mean “evaluated”?

I’m not saying that water supply doesn’t need some attention, but almost everywhere is far closer to a sustainable water supply than they are to a sustainable energy supply.

Postpocelipse said:

Globally it isn’t sufficiently managed. Achieving that would likely improve power infrastructure on it’s own.

I don’t see how.

More likely it would make it worse (desal plants everywhere).

roughbarked said:

Show me which energy management requiring nil water management?

Why do you want me to do that?

The Rev Dodgson said:

Postpocelipse said:

Third world countries are largely evaluated on water supply.

What do you mean “evaluated”?

I’m not saying that water supply doesn’t need some attention, but almost everywhere is far closer to a sustainable water supply than they are to a sustainable energy supply.

Postpocelipse said:

Globally it isn’t sufficiently managed. Achieving that would likely improve power infrastructure on it’s own.

I don’t see how.

More likely it would make it worse (desal plants everywhere).

Why do everything industrially? If water needs to be diverted to supply an area why not incorporate that into power supply?

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

Show me which energy management requiring nil water management?

Why do you want me to do that?

because I can.

Postpocelipse said:

Possibly it would first be appropriate to identify what is considered a stable economy before I offer my revolutionary thinking on the subject. ;)

That would be a good start, coz it’s not really clear to me what you are asking/wanting to discuss.
Your thread title is “economic balance” but you refer to economic ‘stability’…which to me, are different things.
Plus, I’m not sure of the specific relevance of renewable energy in your thought process…

The global economy consists of many aspects but it is based on:

• The exchange of money
• Inflation (de-valuation of money)
• Expansion

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

Show me which energy management requiring nil water management?

Why do you want me to do that?

because I can.

Sure you can, but it just seems a strange question to ask, so I wondered why you asked it.

Aquila said:

The global economy consists of many aspects but it is based on:

• The exchange of money
• Inflation (de-valuation of money)
• Expansion
  

Points two and three are not requirements of a global economy (although they are features of the current one), and point one is just a subsidiary part of it, the important part being the exchange of goods and services.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Aquila said:

The global economy consists of many aspects but it is based on:

• The exchange of money
• Inflation (de-valuation of money)
• Expansion
  

Points two and three are not requirements of a global economy (although they are features of the current one), and point one is just a subsidiary part of it, the important part being the exchange of goods and services.

I’ll give you three chickens and a Mallee bull for your services…

Does the world require an underclass (slaves) to mass produce cheap goods or will at some point we have to accept everyone deserves a decent quality of life at the expensive of us paying more goods.

The Rev Dodgson said:

roughbarked said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Why do you want me to do that?

because I can.

Sure you can, but it just seems a strange question to ask, so I wondered why you asked it.

Non renewable energy production requires copious amounts of water. Mining and manufacture the same.

>The global economy consists of many aspects but it is based on…”

Don’t mind me staying the parochial for a moment, but some of the backbone has to be peope taking in and doing each others washing, so to speak. ‘Global economy’ sounds big, perhaps impressively so, still it’s not some celestial perspective alone that makes it all work.

Cymek said:

Does the world require an underclass (slaves) to mass produce cheap goods or will at some point we have to accept everyone deserves a decent quality of life at the expensive of us paying more goods.

Easy enough to accept, any one can say it. Moving levers and making laws to make it happen is the hard unaddressed bit.

Cymek said:

Does the world require an underclass (slaves) to mass produce cheap goods or will at some point we have to accept everyone deserves a decent quality of life at the expensive of us paying more goods.

Most of the cheapest goods aren’t even good.

Postpocelipse said:

sibeen said:

Postpocelipse said:

Would global renewable energy supply provide the basis of a stable global economy?

No.

It would not supply a level playing ground for minor economies?

Was there a stable economy on a level playing field before we became dependent on fossil fuels?

you need ‘m those wobbles
otherwise how does somethin’ stabilize
walkin’ straight line requires
drivin’, standin’n things many other kind