A friend of mine who, though formerly reasonable, seems to be falling for every conspiracy theory under the sun.
On Facebook, he’s just posted “GermanWings – they say they heard the co-pilot breathing but no mention of the alarm sounding when the emergency access code was activated. Odd.”
Can you think of anything I can post to prevent him from blaming it on the Rothschilds and Illuminati combined?
Neophyte said:
A friend of mine who, though formerly reasonable, seems to be falling for every conspiracy theory under the sun.On Facebook, he’s just posted “GermanWings – they say they heard the co-pilot breathing but no mention of the alarm sounding when the emergency access code was activated. Odd.”
Can you think of anything I can post to prevent him from blaming it on the Rothschilds and Illuminati combined?
There is nothing you can do. I am surprised the need to fill your life with conspiracy theories is not yet a formally recognised mental condition.
Neophyte said:
A friend of mine who, though formerly reasonable, seems to be falling for every conspiracy theory under the sun.On Facebook, he’s just posted “GermanWings – they say they heard the co-pilot breathing but no mention of the alarm sounding when the emergency access code was activated. Odd.”
Can you think of anything I can post to prevent him from blaming it on the Rothschilds and Illuminati combined?
The transcript of the voice recorder hasn’t been released to the news people, as far as I know. We know very little of what is on it.
Neophyte said:
Can you think of anything I can post to prevent him from blaming it on the Rothschilds and Illuminati combined?
Common sense?
The Billizilla is out driving around. The Papa Bear is roaming free range around the house. When they return to their usual positions I will direct Bill’s attention here.
ms spock said:
Neophyte said:
Can you think of anything I can post to prevent him from blaming it on the Rothschilds and Illuminati combined?
Common sense?
The Billizilla is out driving around. The Papa Bear is roaming free range around the house. When they return to their usual positions I will direct Bill’s attention here.
Carmen_Sandiego said:
Neophyte said:
A friend of mine who, though formerly reasonable, seems to be falling for every conspiracy theory under the sun.On Facebook, he’s just posted “GermanWings – they say they heard the co-pilot breathing but no mention of the alarm sounding when the emergency access code was activated. Odd.”
Can you think of anything I can post to prevent him from blaming it on the Rothschilds and Illuminati combined?
There is nothing you can do. I am surprised the need to fill your life with conspiracy theories is not yet a formally recognised mental condition.
Isn’t it called paranoia?
Delusional (paranoid) disorder?
paranoid personality disorder?
etc
Tamb said:
ms spock said:
Neophyte said:
Can you think of anything I can post to prevent him from blaming it on the Rothschilds and Illuminati combined?
Common sense?
The Billizilla is out driving around. The Papa Bear is roaming free range around the house. When they return to their usual positions I will direct Bill’s attention here.
And we will give him our undivided attention.
We have a family member who is very paranoid. his conspiracy theories are so way out that I have seen some of his home grown ones on unrelated web sites.
I am sorry to read that. It must be exhausting to be around.
ms spock said:
Tamb said:
ms spock said:Common sense?
The Billizilla is out driving around. The Papa Bear is roaming free range around the house. When they return to their usual positions I will direct Bill’s attention here.
And we will give him our undivided attention.
We have a family member who is very paranoid. his conspiracy theories are so way out that I have seen some of his home grown ones on unrelated web sites.I am sorry to read that. It must be exhausting to be around.
Tamb said:
ms spock said:
Tamb said:And we will give him our undivided attention.
We have a family member who is very paranoid. his conspiracy theories are so way out that I have seen some of his home grown ones on unrelated web sites.I am sorry to read that. It must be exhausting to be around.
Yes. The latest one is that someone is going to come in the night & steal his water pipes. We’ve had none stolen in 25 years so he says that, logically, they are due to be stolen.
Papa Bear gets those kinds of thoughts at times, but he has dementia so it is understandable, (though frustrating) I can’t imagine managing that in an adult who is meant to have control of his faculties.
Tamb said:
ms spock said:
Tamb said:And we will give him our undivided attention.
We have a family member who is very paranoid. his conspiracy theories are so way out that I have seen some of his home grown ones on unrelated web sites.I am sorry to read that. It must be exhausting to be around.
Yes. The latest one is that someone is going to come in the night & steal his water pipes. We’ve had none stolen in 25 years so he says that, logically, they are due to be stolen.
Papa Bear gets those kinds of thoughts at times, but he has dementia so it is understandable, (though frustrating) I can’t imagine managing that in an adult who is meant to have control of his faculties.
ms spock said:
Tamb said:
ms spock said:I am sorry to read that. It must be exhausting to be around.
Yes. The latest one is that someone is going to come in the night & steal his water pipes. We’ve had none stolen in 25 years so he says that, logically, they are due to be stolen.Papa Bear gets those kinds of thoughts at times, but he has dementia so it is understandable, (though frustrating) I can’t imagine managing that in an adult who is meant to have control of his faculties.
Tamb said:
ms spock said:
Tamb said:Yes. The latest one is that someone is going to come in the night & steal his water pipes. We’ve had none stolen in 25 years so he says that, logically, they are due to be stolen.
Papa Bear gets those kinds of thoughts at times, but he has dementia so it is understandable, (though frustrating) I can’t imagine managing that in an adult who is meant to have control of his faculties.
He’s waiting for the asteroid to come & wipe out all life on earth.
Carmen_Sandiego said:
Neophyte said:
A friend of mine who, though formerly reasonable, seems to be falling for every conspiracy theory under the sun.On Facebook, he’s just posted “GermanWings – they say they heard the co-pilot breathing but no mention of the alarm sounding when the emergency access code was activated. Odd.”
Can you think of anything I can post to prevent him from blaming it on the Rothschilds and Illuminati combined?
There is nothing you can do. I am surprised the need to fill your life with conspiracy theories is not yet a formally recognised mental condition.
Pretty much this.
Past a certain point they just can’t be helped and are best either severely and constantly ridiculed or just cut loose and never seen again. Sounds like your friend is past that point so if I were you I’d delete them as a friend.
ms spock said:
Tamb said:
ms spock said:Papa Bear gets those kinds of thoughts at times, but he has dementia so it is understandable, (though frustrating) I can’t imagine managing that in an adult who is meant to have control of his faculties.
He’s waiting for the asteroid to come & wipe out all life on earth.
Better sooner than later in this case.
severely and constantly ridiculed
this is my preferred option.
there’s a mad conspiracy theory going round that Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction and America blamed Iraq for 911 , when will those fools understand there is no conspiracy
wookiemeister said:
when will those fools understand there is no conspiracy
When they see that one doesn’t exist.
there is no conspiracy with this pilot.. he was just a scared and angry man with multiple issues including a ‘god complex’.. we all know them.
game over conspirators
Arts said:
there is no conspiracy with this pilot.. he was just a scared and angry man with multiple issues including a ‘god complex’.. we all know them.game over conspirators
The ego is the ultimate conspirator. It has no tanginility but forces it’s nature upon all perception.
Would it be discriminatory to say pilots can’t have mental health issues? This isn’t regular depression, this is a special brand of nuttery. What scares me is that he passed all his psychological testing. It’s unclear whether Lufthansa knew he had a mental illness or whether he hid his latest depressive episode from them.
someone tried to tell me yesterday that he had ‘converted to Islam’ I hadn’t read anything like that.. anyone? I said that conversion isn’t a sign of terrorist activity.. he might have just been searching for something to make him feel better. to which they replied: no, the ones that convert are radicals.. the ones that are born into it are fine.. it’s only the radicals (the converted) that do the bad stuff”
“thanks for the conversation, have a nice day.”
(That’s how you deal with them)
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight
Does she also avoid all products labelled Halal?
Divine Angel said:
RiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiightDoes she also avoid all products labelled Halal?
I don’t know… she might not read the best sources of information.. that’s all I got
Arts said:
someone tried to tell me yesterday that he had ‘converted to Islam’ I hadn’t read anything like that.. anyone? I said that conversion isn’t a sign of terrorist activity.. he might have just been searching for something to make him feel better. to which they replied: no, the ones that convert are radicals.. the ones that are born into it are fine.. it’s only the radicals (the converted) that do the bad stuff”“thanks for the conversation, have a nice day.”
(That’s how you deal with them)
Converting to Islam is a radicalist preference. I can’t say I’ve come across any who have converted who haven’t some form of extremist motivation.
Postpocelipse said:
Arts said:
someone tried to tell me yesterday that he had ‘converted to Islam’ I hadn’t read anything like that.. anyone? I said that conversion isn’t a sign of terrorist activity.. he might have just been searching for something to make him feel better. to which they replied: no, the ones that convert are radicals.. the ones that are born into it are fine.. it’s only the radicals (the converted) that do the bad stuff”“thanks for the conversation, have a nice day.”
(That’s how you deal with them)
Converting to Islam is a radicalist preference. I can’t say I’ve come across any who have converted who haven’t some form of extremist motivation.
I’d disagree if I didn’t think that all religion was some form of extremism.
roughbarked said:
Postpocelipse said:
Arts said:
someone tried to tell me yesterday that he had ‘converted to Islam’ I hadn’t read anything like that.. anyone? I said that conversion isn’t a sign of terrorist activity.. he might have just been searching for something to make him feel better. to which they replied: no, the ones that convert are radicals.. the ones that are born into it are fine.. it’s only the radicals (the converted) that do the bad stuff”“thanks for the conversation, have a nice day.”
(That’s how you deal with them)
Converting to Islam is a radicalist preference. I can’t say I’ve come across any who have converted who haven’t some form of extremist motivation.
I’d disagree if I didn’t think that all religion was some form of extremism.
people convert to all sorts of religions for all sorts of reasons.
roughbarked said:
Postpocelipse said:
Arts said:
someone tried to tell me yesterday that he had ‘converted to Islam’ I hadn’t read anything like that.. anyone? I said that conversion isn’t a sign of terrorist activity.. he might have just been searching for something to make him feel better. to which they replied: no, the ones that convert are radicals.. the ones that are born into it are fine.. it’s only the radicals (the converted) that do the bad stuff”“thanks for the conversation, have a nice day.”
(That’s how you deal with them)
Converting to Islam is a radicalist preference. I can’t say I’ve come across any who have converted who haven’t some form of extremist motivation.
I’d disagree if I didn’t think that all religion was some form of extremism.
Fundamentally it applies as dogmatic conservatism. If you don’t like the conservative philosophy of your culture you find a less liberal dogma to associate to.
Postpocelipse said:
Converting to Islam is a radicalist preference. I can’t say I’ve come across any who have converted who haven’t some form of extremist motivation.
Muhummad Ali, Yusef Islam and Anthony Mundine converted to Islam and haven’t flown any planes into mountains or buildings.
Arts said:
roughbarked said:
Postpocelipse said:Converting to Islam is a radicalist preference. I can’t say I’ve come across any who have converted who haven’t some form of extremist motivation.
I’d disagree if I didn’t think that all religion was some form of extremism.
people convert to all sorts of religions for all sorts of reasons.
Arts said:
roughbarked said:
Postpocelipse said:Converting to Islam is a radicalist preference. I can’t say I’ve come across any who have converted who haven’t some form of extremist motivation.
I’d disagree if I didn’t think that all religion was some form of extremism.
people convert to all sorts of religions for all sorts of reasons.
I’ve assumed those who take on the philosophy of a foreign religion are more spiritual than religious. There is a reason one advertises ones ‘conversion’.
Postpocelipse said:
Arts said:
roughbarked said:I’d disagree if I didn’t think that all religion was some form of extremism.
people convert to all sorts of religions for all sorts of reasons.
I’ve assumed those who take on the philosophy of a foreign religion are more spiritual than religious. There is a reason one advertises ones ‘conversion’.
Usually because someone else asks.
Postpocelipse said:
Arts said:
roughbarked said:I’d disagree if I didn’t think that all religion was some form of extremism.
people convert to all sorts of religions for all sorts of reasons.
I’ve assumed those who take on the philosophy of a foreign religion are more spiritual than religious. There is a reason one advertises ones ‘conversion’.
There are very likely those who also convert because they like the rituals. (Be they clapping in church, the orgies or the Kalashnikov)
Seems to me that people are looking for something to fill a need in their life, and choose a religion which best fills that need. Can’t think of any other logical reason why someone would become a Scientologist…
Divine Angel said:
Seems to me that people are looking for something to fill a need in their life, and choose a religion which best fills that need. Can’t think of any other logical reason why someone would become a Scientologist…
Is there logic necessary in that instance?
Divine Angel said:
Postpocelipse said:Converting to Islam is a radicalist preference. I can’t say I’ve come across any who have converted who haven’t some form of extremist motivation.
Muhummad Ali, Yusef Islam and Anthony Mundine converted to Islam and haven’t flown any planes into mountains or buildings.
hhhmmmm,,, Mundine wanted to draw a line between himself and those who knock him. His conversion is largely an attempt to put himself into an elitist camp that is beyond reproach or ridicule. He’s a dick who nearly swapped his eye for his eye. Ali lived at during a time of extreme disrest with coercive philosphies and laws. If his conversion wasn’t at least partially intended to make litigatino against his decision not to be drafted more difficult I would be surprised. Yusef Islam sat through an interview specifically stating that he though he would not perpetrate the act himself he would be very happy to see wassisname capitally punished by muslim clerics. He is the worst example of extremist because as a creative artist he has condemned the freedom of speech of another. He is a pitiful excuse for a debater and not a good example to anyone. And his music is peurile.
roughbarked said:
Divine Angel said:
Seems to me that people are looking for something to fill a need in their life, and choose a religion which best fills that need. Can’t think of any other logical reason why someone would become a Scientologist…
Is there logic necessary in that instance?
Yes. The logic that it is the only religion that refers to intergalactic confrontation and destruction and aliens……
Postpocelipse said:
Divine Angel said:
Postpocelipse said:Converting to Islam is a radicalist preference. I can’t say I’ve come across any who have converted who haven’t some form of extremist motivation.
Muhummad Ali, Yusef Islam and Anthony Mundine converted to Islam and haven’t flown any planes into mountains or buildings.
hhhmmmm,,, Mundine wanted to draw a line between himself and those who knock him. His conversion is largely an attempt to put himself into an elitist camp that is beyond reproach or ridicule. He’s a dick who nearly swapped his eye for his eye. Ali lived at during a time of extreme disrest with coercive philosphies and laws. If his conversion wasn’t at least partially intended to make litigatino against his decision not to be drafted more difficult I would be surprised. Yusef Islam sat through an interview specifically stating that he though he would not perpetrate the act himself he would be very happy to see wassisname capitally punished by muslim clerics. He is the worst example of extremist because as a creative artist he has condemned the freedom of speech of another. He is a pitiful excuse for a debater and not a good example to anyone. And his music is peurile.
I’ve got no time for Yusuf Islam, who sees nothing wrong with killing someone for a trivial insult if someone in charge says you should, but there are plenty of non-radical converts, including the Thompson non-brothers, Richard and Danny.
Why apparently intelligent people should choose to do this is beyond me, but in very many cases it has nothing to do with wanting to convert the rest of the world by force.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Why apparently intelligent people should choose to do this is beyond me, but in very many cases it has nothing to do with wanting to convert the rest of the world by force.
In most cases religious choice has nothing to do with converting anyone else.
Postpoc – I just skimmed your message before replying, and didn’t notice your comment on Yusuf Islam, but it appears we share the same opinion of him (although some of his music was OK).
The Rev Dodgson said:
Postpoc – I just skimmed your message before replying, and didn’t notice your comment on Yusuf Islam, but it appears we share the same opinion of him (although some of his music was OK).
He has a musical bone in his body but his lyrics often suffer.
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Why apparently intelligent people should choose to do this is beyond me, but in very many cases it has nothing to do with wanting to convert the rest of the world by force.
In most cases religious choice has nothing to do with converting anyone else.
I don’t know about that, there are plenty of Christians wanting to turn the talk to why people should join them, given half a chance.
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Postpoc – I just skimmed your message before replying, and didn’t notice your comment on Yusuf Islam, but it appears we share the same opinion of him (although some of his music was OK).
He has a musical bone in his body but his lyrics often suffer.
Yeah, I’d go along with that :)
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Why apparently intelligent people should choose to do this is beyond me, but in very many cases it has nothing to do with wanting to convert the rest of the world by force.
In most cases religious choice has nothing to do with converting anyone else.
I don’t know about that, there are plenty of Christians wanting to turn the talk to why people should join them, given half a chance.
Fair point, if you listen anybody can have a chance at your ear.
A random quote from Richard Thompson:
“Alongside his trenchant anti-war song “Dad’s Gonna Kill Me”, he also wrote, in 2002, “Outside of the Inside”, which dismantles the jihadi’s view of western culture in a subverted Taliban voice: “God never listened to Charlie Parker/ Charlie Parker lived in vain/ Blasphemer, womaniser/ Let a needle numb his brain/ Wash away his monkey music/ Damn his demons, damn his pain.”
It sounded like a hard-headed attempt to reconcile his faith in music with his Sufi belief. What was the response?
He smiles. “I don’t think anyone noticed, really. That song is imagining what these extremists, this fringe of so-called Islam, were saying of western civilisation and it’s me thinking, ‘Well, I like western civilisation. Charlie Parker. Einstein. Shakespeare. Not all bad…’”
“
The Rev Dodgson said:
I’ve got no time for Yusuf Islam, who sees nothing wrong with killing someone for a trivial insult if someone in charge says you should, but there are plenty of non-radical converts, including the Thompson non-brothers, Richard and Danny.
Why apparently intelligent people should choose to do this is beyond me, but in very many cases it has nothing to do with wanting to convert the rest of the world by force.
I am not aware of the examples you’ve referenced but I can only guess as I’ve intimated in my appraisal of the 3 examples previously that it is quite often a simple political decision. Politics is the institution of popularity. Making political statements like this is drawing a line in the sand.
Richard Thompson is much under appreciated. He has always been a stalwart of great insight.
Postpocelipse said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I’ve got no time for Yusuf Islam, who sees nothing wrong with killing someone for a trivial insult if someone in charge says you should, but there are plenty of non-radical converts, including the Thompson non-brothers, Richard and Danny.
Why apparently intelligent people should choose to do this is beyond me, but in very many cases it has nothing to do with wanting to convert the rest of the world by force.
I am not aware of the examples you’ve referenced but I can only guess as I’ve intimated in my appraisal of the 3 examples previously that it is quite often a simple political decision. Politics is the institution of popularity. Making political statements like this is drawing a line in the sand.
sand is easier to alter than concrete.
Postpocelipse said:
I am not aware of the examples you’ve referenced but I can only guess as I’ve intimated in my appraisal of the 3 examples previously that it is quite often a simple political decision. Politics is the institution of popularity. Making political statements like this is drawing a line in the sand.
Posted my response 35 seconds before you pressed submit :)
The Rev Dodgson said:
roughbarked said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Postpoc – I just skimmed your message before replying, and didn’t notice your comment on Yusuf Islam, but it appears we share the same opinion of him (although some of his music was OK).
He has a musical bone in his body but his lyrics often suffer.
Yeah, I’d go along with that :)
I enjoyed Moonshadow when I was a kid. Now it seems like a kindy song with little practical substance.
roughbarked said:
Postpocelipse said:
The Rev Dodgson said:I’ve got no time for Yusuf Islam, who sees nothing wrong with killing someone for a trivial insult if someone in charge says you should, but there are plenty of non-radical converts, including the Thompson non-brothers, Richard and Danny.
Why apparently intelligent people should choose to do this is beyond me, but in very many cases it has nothing to do with wanting to convert the rest of the world by force.
I am not aware of the examples you’ve referenced but I can only guess as I’ve intimated in my appraisal of the 3 examples previously that it is quite often a simple political decision. Politics is the institution of popularity. Making political statements like this is drawing a line in the sand.
sand is easier to alter than concrete.
Indubitably. :)