My mum will be turning “elderly” this year. How old do you think she will be?

Speedy said:

My mum will be turning “elderly” this year. How old do you think she will be?

80

According to the Ambulance Protocol Manual the elderly patient is anyone 60 and over

Speedy said:

My mum will be turning “elderly” this year. How old do you think she will be?

60

Speedy said:

My mum will be turning “elderly” this year. How old do you think she will be?

Does she have a boat?

I think you can get a Seniors Card at age 60. I’ve been asked if I have a Seniors Card by checkout ladies who look older than me but who are not old enough to have Seniors Cards.

Seniors Cards are great, just ask my mum.

poikilotherm said:

Speedy said:

My mum will be turning “elderly” this year. How old do you think she will be?

Does she have a boat?

Be careful what you wish for. A fiance and husband have both drowned. Serious.

so it’s sixty? so you can be a senior for a good 20 years.. 30 if you are lucky.. 40 if you are up for a telegram..

Arts said:

so it’s sixty? so you can be a senior for a good 20 years.. 30 if you are lucky.. 40 if you are up for a telegram..

World’s oldest person recently died aged 117.

Bubblecar said:

Arts said:

so it’s sixty? so you can be a senior for a good 20 years.. 30 if you are lucky.. 40 if you are up for a telegram..

World’s oldest person recently died aged 117.

That’s why you don’t want to live to a really old age because the chances of dying are greater.

Bubblecar said:

I’ve been asked if I have a Seniors Card by checkout ladies who look older than me but who are not old enough to have Seniors Cards.

It’s probably the medieval costumes you get about in.

On a semi related note, Hayley Okines died; she had progeria.

What was the name of the Australian girl in the 80s who had the same condition? She was featured regularly on TV.

Arts said:

so it’s sixty? so you can be a senior for a good 20 years.. 30 if you are lucky.. 40 if you are up for a telegram..

It seems to be the case, yes. I was just reading a story about an “elderly” man with a medical problem. He was 62.

Sounds wrong to me.

Mum will be 70.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Bubblecar said:

I’ve been asked if I have a Seniors Card by checkout ladies who look older than me but who are not old enough to have Seniors Cards.

It’s probably the medieval costumes you get about in.

More likely the granny glasses I wear.

Bubblecar said:

Arts said:

so it’s sixty? so you can be a senior for a good 20 years.. 30 if you are lucky.. 40 if you are up for a telegram..

World’s oldest person recently died aged 117.

Yes, the oldest person in the world is always dying.

Divine Angel said:

On a semi related note, Hayley Okines died; she had progeria.

What was the name of the Australian girl in the 80s who had the same condition? She was featured regularly on TV.

why isn’t there a horrible disease that keeps you looking young even though your 40…

Speedy said:

Yes, the oldest person in the world is always dying.

Must be a death wish, they line up for it.

Arts said:

why isn’t there a horrible disease that keeps you looking young even though your 40…

Hollywood actresses would line up to be injected with it.

so what are the comparable ages?

youth – 18 (broken up into baby, toddler, adolescent, preteen, teen
young adult – 18 -… ? 25?
adult – never.. haha 25 – 40
middle aged – 40 – 60
elderly – 60 and above…

?

Divine Angel said:

Arts said:

why isn’t there a horrible disease that keeps you looking young even though your 40…

Hollywood actresses would line up to be injected with it.

please forgive my your/you’re mistake..

Arts said:

Divine Angel said:

Arts said:

why isn’t there a horrible disease that keeps you looking young even though your 40…

Hollywood actresses would line up to be injected with it.

please forgive my your/you’re mistake..

Your forgiven.

(It pains me to write that)

Bubblecar said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

Bubblecar said:

I’ve been asked if I have a Seniors Card by checkout ladies who look older than me but who are not old enough to have Seniors Cards.

It’s probably the medieval costumes you get about in.

More likely the granny glasses I wear.

Wait until they start calling you luv.

Peak Warming Man said:

Bubblecar said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

It’s probably the medieval costumes you get about in.

More likely the granny glasses I wear.

Wait until they start calling you luv.

Some of my patients younger than me from a certain part of Hamilton call me luv. I even got a ‘darl’ the other day. I managed not to flinch.

I have friends that are similar age & older than me & they class themselves as “middle age” & even vocally describe themselves this way. I’m horrified by with this because I do not consider myself to be “middle aged”

I think 80 is the beginning of elderly.

Spider Lily said:

I have friends that are similar age & older than me & they class themselves as “middle age” & even vocally describe themselves this way. I’m horrified by with this because I do not consider myself to be “middle aged”

I think 80 is the beginning of elderly.

Life didn’t start until 40. Now they say 60 is the new 40. I still think i’m 17 and may attempt things that others my age would call silly. I say try and stay as young as you feel. Now there may be a difference between our minds and our bodies. The will may be there but the body wears out. Elderly is when you do all you can to save your mind because your body will no longer do what your mind wishes to do.

If our expectation is around 80ish (for those of us who are presently in our 50s), middle age is from about 40 onwards. I consider myself middle aged. I see a lot of over 80s in my work, and I don’t really think of people as old until then. Having said that, however, there actually are people in their 60s who really are old already. And a couple of people I can bring to mind who are into their 90s but you would think they are late 70s.

Arts said:

so what are the comparable ages?

youth – 18 (broken up into baby, toddler, adolescent, preteen, teen
young adult – 18 -… ? 25?
adult – never.. haha 25 – 40
middle aged – 40 – 60
elderly – 60 and above…

?

Sounds about right, except for the elderly bit, which should start at 70. Perhaps the Ambulance people can identify 60-70 year olds as “pre-elderly middle aged”.

I was just viewing a news article about a medieval graveyard discovery in England under the oldest building in Cambridge Uni, apparently the building originally built on the site was a hospital. They found evidence of the impoverished being buried there. How long is finding a person’s grave archaeology and just an invasion of something more important than historical intrigue and interest?

I did not understand your point being made then RB.

A friend of mine was really pissed off at being described as “an elderly man” in a newspaper report. He’s in his mid 70s, but the newspaper report was about him being inured in a motorcycle race :)
He’s old enough to know better.

We cannot come to an agreement here.

SpiderLily claims “middle aged” is SL’s age + 10 years, so “Elderly” is an age that doesn’t exist.

I claim middle aged is the lump of the bell curve after the children have left home and while you are still working – so 40-65, and “elderly” os from 65 onwards.

Aquila has foolishly suggested SL is dangerously close, so is dangerously close to not reaching it himself.

monkey skipper said:

I did not understand your point being made then RB.

I’ve lost a lot of relatives. I’ve been through all sorts of feelings emotions. Done all I could to help everyone else and all the time I as neglecting myself.

generally it stalks you for quite while before age fifty-five
you might be gettin’ out of bed or off the sofa, or have the flu
or something really terrible happens, like your child dies
you may have cut tonne of wood ‘thusiatically feelin’ youthful
ya sit down or nap’n when up/wake it ambushes, oh my
in there be a taste of that to come it elderly it’s comin’ to you

Carmen_Sandiego said:

We cannot come to an agreement here.

SpiderLily claims “middle aged” is SL’s age + 10 years, so “Elderly” is an age that doesn’t exist.

No that’s not what I what I say or think… I am my age and every now and then my body reminds me of my age and yes I do have to change the way I do some things sometimes. But I do not feel my age. I think the term “middle aged” should be deleted from our way of thinking.

Spider Lily said:

Carmen_Sandiego said:

We cannot come to an agreement here.

SpiderLily claims “middle aged” is SL’s age + 10 years, so “Elderly” is an age that doesn’t exist.

No that’s not what I what I say or think… I am my age and every now and then my body reminds me of my age and yes I do have to change the way I do some things sometimes. But I do not feel my age. I think the term “middle aged” should be deleted from our way of thinking.

ok

Spider Lily said:

Carmen_Sandiego said:

We cannot come to an agreement here.

SpiderLily claims “middle aged” is SL’s age + 10 years, so “Elderly” is an age that doesn’t exist.

No that’s not what I what I say or think… I am my age and every now and then my body reminds me of my age and yes I do have to change the way I do some things sometimes. But I do not feel my age. I think the term “middle aged” should be deleted from our way of thinking.

My physiotherapist pointed out that the damage and wear and tear in my spine is unrepairable. so my body constantly reminds me that I’m not as young as think I am but the main thing is that I’m never goiing to be young again.

When I was around 25 years of age. A younger staff member had a complaint made against her for referring a client to her supervisor and prefacing the introduction of this elderly lady needs some help with a question I cannot answer or something similar enough. She was as it turns out , in the age group of her 50’s and did not like the suggestion one little bit at all. Another co-worker who was in a similar age group at the time said to me. Inside I feel like when I was in teens years, yes there are changes as we grow but inside we feel just the same and that world old is something I want to nominate for myself when I feel appropriate and not thrust upon me by someone else. She defended the client being upset. The young person cried and meant no offence at all. :/

monkey skipper said:

When I was around 25 years of age. A younger staff member had a complaint made against her for referring a client to her supervisor and prefacing the introduction of this elderly lady needs some help with a question I cannot answer or something similar enough. She was as it turns out , in the age group of her 50’s and did not like the suggestion one little bit at all. Another co-worker who was in a similar age group at the time said to me. Inside I feel like when I was in teens years, yes there are changes as we grow but inside we feel just the same and that world old is something I want to nominate for myself when I feel appropriate and not thrust upon me by someone else. She defended the client being upset. The young person cried and meant no offence at all. :/

I think life just goes too fast. Old age sneaks up on us and when we reach a nominated number, we do not feel how we expected we would by that time.

In the old days of Scribbly, jj said something along the lines of … when she was a little girl, she expected older people to be knowing and wise. But now that she was older, she did not feel that this was true. She had more questions than ever before.

… and on that same note, Roger Federer, the tennis player, recently said that he still feels like he should be a junior player. I think he’s in his mid-30’s and about to retire.

Speedy said:

My mum will be turning “elderly” this year. How old do you think she will be?

Probably the age at which she can apply for a seniors card. 60 and over.

By 50, most people have at least one major health problem.

> I think life just goes too fast.

No way! Humans live far too long. Humans have a similar diet and weight to bears, and bears in the wild only live for an average of 20 years.

This same applies for practically all mammals, even mammals leading the pampered lifestyle of a pet or zoo animal live on average a much shorter lifespan than a human.

I think … I think that those people who say that life is too short or goes too fast only say that because they don’t count the time they spend talking (a cynical statement, but I think it’s true).

mollwollfumble said:

> I think life just goes too fast.
…

This same applies for practically all mammals, even mammals leading the pampered lifestyle of a pet or zoo animal live on average a much shorter lifespan than a human.

I have a bit of a problem with average lifespan, because it mostly doesn’t refer to the length of life for an adult but infant mortality figures.

AwesomeO said:

mollwollfumble said:

> I think life just goes too fast.
…

This same applies for practically all mammals, even mammals leading the pampered lifestyle of a pet or zoo animal live on average a much shorter lifespan than a human.

I have a bit of a problem with average lifespan, because it mostly doesn’t refer to the length of life for an adult but infant mortality figures.

Absolutely, in Sam Pepys time and other eras I’m sure once a human had got to adult hood they seemed to live to ripe old ages similar to ours.

mollwollfumble said:

> I think life just goes too fast.

No way! Humans live far too long. Humans have a similar diet and weight to bears, and bears in the wild only live for an average of 20 years.

This same applies for practically all mammals, even mammals leading the pampered lifestyle of a pet or zoo animal live on average a much shorter lifespan than a human.

Our expectations should be based on human life expectancy, not life expectancy of other species. Whether we feel that life is too fast or too short is related to what our expectations are.

mollwollfumble said:

I think … I think that those people who say that life is too short or goes too fast only say that because they don’t count the time they spend talking (a cynical statement, but I think it’s true).

Cynical yes. Maybe true for a few.

Peak Warming Man said:

Absolutely, in Sam Pepys time and other eras I’m sure once a human had got to adult hood they seemed to live to ripe old ages similar to ours.

A small number lived long lives, but a much greater proportion died in the 30-50 range, where there are very few deaths from natural causes now.

Anyway, no-one ever gets elderly, although some younger people may think they do.

mollwollfumble said:

> I think life just goes too fast.

No way! Humans live far too long. Humans have a similar diet and weight to bears, and bears in the wild only live for an average of 20 years.

This same applies for practically all mammals, even mammals leading the pampered lifestyle of a pet or zoo animal live on average a much shorter lifespan than a human.

I think … I think that those people who say that life is too short or goes too fast only say that because they don’t count the time they spend talking (a cynical statement, but I think it’s true).

That’s despite the fact that pet and zoo mammals have access to completely modern medical care. My main reference on the mortality of pet and zoo animals is http://www.demographic-research.org/volumes/vol15/14/15-14.pdf from the year 2006.

As recently as 1901-1903, the median life expectancy for people where one group of my ancestors lived was four (4) years. Only one person in three survived to age 25. This was not the result of an epidemic of plague, it was just how things were. Human mortality in that place back them was similar to the mortality of pampered animals with access to modern medical care a hundred years later. See graph.

Nor is this exceptional. We are remarkably lucky to live in a time where the human lifespan is exceptionally long. But it’s not going to last.

So, whereas I’m happy to say a median lifespan of 4 years for humans is too short, there is no way on Earth you’ll get me to say that a median human lifespan of 85 years is too short.

mollwollfumble said:

Nor is this exceptional. We are remarkably lucky to live in a time where the human lifespan is exceptionally long. But it’s not going to last.

What do you expect will lower life expectancy in the future?

> As recently as 1901-1903, the median life expectancy for people where one group of my ancestors lived was four (4) years. Only one person in three survived to age 25. This was not the result of an epidemic of plague …

… or solely the result of infant mortality. The death rate after age 25 at that time and place was constant. Of 100 people who survived to age 25, a sixth would be dead by age 35, another sixth by age 45, a full 50% dead by age 55 etc.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Anyway, no-one ever gets elderly, although some younger people may think they do.

A man is only as old as the woman he feels.

Witty Rejoinder said:

mollwollfumble said:

Nor is this exceptional. We are remarkably lucky to live in a time where the human lifespan is exceptionally long. But it’s not going to last.

What do you expect will lower life expectancy in the future?

Breakdown of Pax Americana.

mollwollfumble said:

Nor is this exceptional. We are remarkably lucky to live in a time where the human lifespan is exceptionally long. But it’s not going to last.

mollwollfumble said:

Nor is this exceptional. We are remarkably lucky to live in a time where the human lifespan is exceptionally long. But it’s not going to last.

Not with an attitude like that it’s not.

But seriously, for the first time in the history of living things on this planet, we have the means to control our population and use of resources to allow our species a long term future.

So why aren’t the people in charge doing all they can to ensure that this opportunity is realised?

bob(from black rock) said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Anyway, no-one ever gets elderly, although some younger people may think they do.

A man is only as old as the woman he feels.

I hope I’m not as old as the woman I feel, but I’d be happy to be as old as the woman I feel feels she is.

mollwollfumble said:

So, whereas I’m happy to say a median lifespan of 4 years for humans is too short, there is no way on Earth you’ll get me to say that a median human lifespan of 85 years is too short.

Short is a little different from fast though.

If we expect to live to 85 and live to only 40, then it would be fair to say that life was too short.

If we are 85 and do not feel that way, I imagine it is because we have not kept up with our own expectations along the way.

The Rev Dodgson said:

mollwollfumble said:

Nor is this exceptional. We are remarkably lucky to live in a time where the human lifespan is exceptionally long. But it’s not going to last.

mollwollfumble said:

Nor is this exceptional. We are remarkably lucky to live in a time where the human lifespan is exceptionally long. But it’s not going to last.

Not with an attitude like that it’s not.

But seriously, for the first time in the history of living things on this planet, we have the means to control our population and use of resources to allow our species a long term future.

So why aren’t the people in charge doing all they can to ensure that this opportunity is realised?

We might have the means, but do we have the will?

With the approach of Global Warming, which includes additional problems in growing sufficient food and collecting water where it is needed, plus overpopulation and mass migration for economic and climate problems, not to mention rising sea-levels, there are going to be events more serious than anything our species has experienced before.

PermeateFree said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

mollwollfumble said:

Nor is this exceptional. We are remarkably lucky to live in a time where the human lifespan is exceptionally long. But it’s not going to last.

mollwollfumble said:

Nor is this exceptional. We are remarkably lucky to live in a time where the human lifespan is exceptionally long. But it’s not going to last.

Not with an attitude like that it’s not.

But seriously, for the first time in the history of living things on this planet, we have the means to control our population and use of resources to allow our species a long term future.

So why aren’t the people in charge doing all they can to ensure that this opportunity is realised?

We might have the means, but do we have the will?

With the approach of Global Warming, which includes additional problems in growing sufficient food and collecting water where it is needed, plus overpopulation and mass migration for economic and climate problems, not to mention rising sea-levels, there are going to be events more serious than anything our species has experienced before.

The deleterious effect of elevated winter temperatures on AFL Football is the biggie

> With the approach of Global Warming …

ROFL

mollwollfumble said:

> With the approach of Global Warming …

ROFL

Well the noticeable approach. It is still very much in its infancy, before we feel what it is really about.

Time/age, is just a human construct isn’t it?

It is just a method of logging events on a linear scale as they unfold in this physical dimension that we inhabit.
Matter (mass) and gravity change the state of energy exchange (consciousness)

We seek to understand what we perceive to be, our lives.
The nature of this physical dimension, we call life on Earth, mainly allows us to experience ‘events’ or exchanges of energy, in a linear form.
So time/age is simply a way to provide some kind of perspective for understanding these events (life).

mollwollfumble said:

> With the approach of Global Warming …

ROFL

Without so much commenting on global warming I was reading about the battle of Thermopylae and that pass cannot be appreciated any more, the oceans have receded and that bottleneck of terrain lost. Just saying.

What an interesting thread.
Well, some of it.

Very interesting……hmmmm ;)

AwesomeO said:

mollwollfumble said:

> With the approach of Global Warming …

ROFL

Without so much commenting on global warming I was reading about the battle of Thermopylae and that pass cannot be appreciated any more, the oceans have receded and that bottleneck of terrain lost. Just saying.

that whole area has changed

on the coast of turkey miletus , priene used to be served by a shallow ocean that no longer exists

when you go to miletus you can see the remains of the harbour covered in grass

wookiemeister said:

AwesomeO said:

mollwollfumble said:

> With the approach of Global Warming …

ROFL

Without so much commenting on global warming I was reading about the battle of Thermopylae and that pass cannot be appreciated any more, the oceans have receded and that bottleneck of terrain lost. Just saying.

that whole area has changed

on the coast of turkey miletus , priene used to be served by a shallow ocean that no longer exists

when you go to miletus you can see the remains of the harbour covered in grass

I guess some tectonic changes as well. Active area.

the greeks would have been better served landing Spartan troops BEHIND the front line troops and completely cutting off the logistic trail to Athens/Greece via the road that served the coast

ie commando raids to hit soft targets with hardcore troops

they could have done this instead of landing in Gallipoli, landed at troy and down the Turkish coast and shutting down logistics along an entire coast

the best way to cut down an army is to hit logistics, ISIS would be fucked if they shut down the logistics trail – one way to skin that cat is to hit the money trail ie how they make their money to support their troops and how they transport money to elsewhere to get goods needed

AwesomeO said:

wookiemeister said:

AwesomeO said:

Without so much commenting on global warming I was reading about the battle of Thermopylae and that pass cannot be appreciated any more, the oceans have receded and that bottleneck of terrain lost. Just saying.

that whole area has changed

on the coast of turkey miletus , priene used to be served by a shallow ocean that no longer exists

when you go to miletus you can see the remains of the harbour covered in grass

I guess some tectonic changes as well. Active area.

the area is incredibly active, at bodrum (the mausoleum) we felt the hotel slightly sway a few times overnight

didyma has huge fallen columns laying all over the place

no one in antiquity could ever keep anything up thanks to earthquakes

the Athenians being principally a naval power could have landed Spartan land forces at key points along the coast, hit them hard and then sailed away nailing the Persian army in the arse all the time

wookiemeister said:

the greeks would have been better served landing Spartan troops BEHIND the front line troops and completely cutting off the logistic trail to Athens/Greece via the road that served the coast

ie commando raids to hit soft targets with hardcore troops

they could have done this instead of landing in Gallipoli, landed at troy and down the Turkish coast and shutting down logistics along an entire coast

the best way to cut down an army is to hit logistics, ISIS would be fucked if they shut down the logistics trail – one way to skin that cat is to hit the money trail ie how they make their money to support their troops and how they transport money to elsewhere to get goods needed

If you mean the Persians, then yes they did have a fleet, Xerxes was mounting a combined operation, land and sea.

ISIS is astride the logistics trail. It doesn’t control territory, it holds some key points along key routes.

the Russians on the other hand are a powerful land force, they bulldoze and overwhelm (once they get going – never allow them to gain momentum)

AwesomeO said:

wookiemeister said:

the greeks would have been better served landing Spartan troops BEHIND the front line troops and completely cutting off the logistic trail to Athens/Greece via the road that served the coast

ie commando raids to hit soft targets with hardcore troops

they could have done this instead of landing in Gallipoli, landed at troy and down the Turkish coast and shutting down logistics along an entire coast

the best way to cut down an army is to hit logistics, ISIS would be fucked if they shut down the logistics trail – one way to skin that cat is to hit the money trail ie how they make their money to support their troops and how they transport money to elsewhere to get goods needed

If you mean the Persians, then yes they did have a fleet, Xerxes was mounting a combined operation, land and sea.

ISIS is astride the logistics trail. It doesn’t control territory, it holds some key points along key routes.

so weaken the money trail

commando raids on raqqa would put the fear of allah into them

wookiemeister said:

the Athenians being principally a naval power could have landed Spartan land forces at key points along the coast, hit them hard and then sailed away nailing the Persian army in the arse all the time

Been a while since I read it, but as per usual with your gear, not so simple, the Greeks were not united, city states were just that, individual states within a Hellenic framework but not United, hell they were constantly at war with each other, and Sparta and the Greeks both considered each other degenerates and were not naturally allied.

the greeks approach to isis would probably to engage it but never get sucked into a prolonged war with them

make alliances with other groups and let them handle them

the romans would take in those other groups into the roman army and then engage in large scale, long operations spanning if need be decades

lay siege to raqqa, build a huge fortification around the city – ask them to surrender then after months (or years of siege) plan a large scale operation to kill everyone inside and knock the whole place to the ground like an atomic bomb

You are elderly when you try to rewrite history ;)

One of the key things about the Olympics was it was a truce every seven years? Between the Greek city states. Not just a sporting event but a political event to settle differences. Otherwise they were all at war with each other, you cannot consider the Hellenic states in any way a combined entity, half of them were for Persia, or at least, convinced that standing aside was better for them.

AwesomeO said:

wookiemeister said:

the Athenians being principally a naval power could have landed Spartan land forces at key points along the coast, hit them hard and then sailed away nailing the Persian army in the arse all the time

Been a while since I read it, but as per usual with your gear, not so simple, the Greeks were not united, city states were just that, individual states within a Hellenic framework but not United, hell they were constantly at war with each other, and Sparta and the Greeks both considered each other degenerates and were not naturally allied.

probably why they didn’t send too many to Thermopylae

the Thermopylae was probably a ruse to gain the Persian intelligence agencies trust, thermistocles probably had a hand in telling the Persians how to get around the Spartans. trusting this intelligence source the Persians walked into the naval trap set by the Athenians.

after thermistocles is kicked out of Athens he goes and works at the court of the Persians as a double agent

AwesomeO said:

One of the key things about the Olympics was it was a truce every seven years? Between the Greek city states. Not just a sporting event but a political event to settle differences. Otherwise they were all at war with each other, you cannot consider the Hellenic states in any way a combined entity, half of them were for Persia, or at least, convinced that standing aside was better for them.

in the eastern half the greek states were essentially under Persian rule

wookiemeister said:

AwesomeO said:

One of the key things about the Olympics was it was a truce every seven years? Between the Greek city states. Not just a sporting event but a political event to settle differences. Otherwise they were all at war with each other, you cannot consider the Hellenic states in any way a combined entity, half of them were for Persia, or at least, convinced that standing aside was better for them.

in the eastern half the greek states were essentially under Persian rule

Ummm pretty much what I said, half of them were for Persia. But thanks for restating it.

wookiemeister said:

the greeks approach to isis would probably to engage it but never get sucked into a prolonged war with them

make alliances with other groups and let them handle them

the romans would take in those other groups into the roman army and then engage in large scale, long operations spanning if need be decades

lay siege to raqqa, build a huge fortification around the city – ask them to surrender then after months (or years of siege) plan a large scale operation to kill everyone inside and knock the whole place to the ground like an atomic bomb

alexander the great does this to gaza but gaza wasn’t a large theatre of operations

he does the same thing to tyre

thebes was the start of destroying cities for him

he would sack a city in a limited theatre, when he invades Persia proper he doesn’t waste his time doing that again (as I recall – maybe once?)

AwesomeO said:

wookiemeister said:

AwesomeO said:

One of the key things about the Olympics was it was a truce every seven years? Between the Greek city states. Not just a sporting event but a political event to settle differences. Otherwise they were all at war with each other, you cannot consider the Hellenic states in any way a combined entity, half of them were for Persia, or at least, convinced that standing aside was better for them.

in the eastern half the greek states were essentially under Persian rule

Ummm pretty much what I said, half of them were for Persia. But thanks for restating it.

Persia was using greek mercenaries

>Time/age, is just a human construct isn’t it?

of age, it probably can be instinctively gisted given there’re correspondence with ‘fitness’, humans of each other, and animals within their own species and across species, so it’s probably not all ‘construction’, though after being at school for few years anyone’d be excused for being dumber than a donkey on the subject.

>It is just a method of logging events on a linear scale as they unfold in this physical dimension that we inhabit.
Matter (mass) and gravity change the state of energy exchange (consciousness)

lot going on around us, like the non-linear relationship 1/2MV^2 = KE, could one ‘clock’ from that?

wookiemeister said:

AwesomeO said:

wookiemeister said:

in the eastern half the greek states were essentially under Persian rule

Ummm pretty much what I said, half of them were for Persia. But thanks for restating it.

Persia was using greek mercenaries

You seem to be at least grasping the political difficulties. Not so simple as you thought.

AwesomeO said:

wookiemeister said:

AwesomeO said:

Ummm pretty much what I said, half of them were for Persia. But thanks for restating it.

Persia was using greek mercenaries

You seem to be at least grasping the political difficulties. Not so simple as you thought.

not sure what you mean

the greeks on the Turkish coast had to go along with what the Persians told them

alexander the greats dad had been planning the invasion of Persia for a while

when alexander and his mum knocked off phillip using the old lone assassin trick and was quickly killed before he spilt the beans; alexander took that planning and used it – he did plenty of stupid things on the way though – it was probably why phillip decided that he should never be allowed to be in complete command – useful for engagements with the enemy as long as he was guided but should never be allowed to be commander in chief.

wookiemeister said:

the greeks would have been better served landing Spartan troops BEHIND the front line troops and completely cutting off the logistic trail to Athens/Greece via the road that served the coast

ie commando raids to hit soft targets with hardcore troops

Not sure what I mean? This. Was not politically possible.

AwesomeO said:

wookiemeister said:

the greeks would have been better served landing Spartan troops BEHIND the front line troops and completely cutting off the logistic trail to Athens/Greece via the road that served the coast

ie commando raids to hit soft targets with hardcore troops

Not sure what I mean? This. Was not politically possible.

bit late for that now with the Persian army in invasion mode

wookiemeister said:

AwesomeO said:

wookiemeister said:

the greeks would have been better served landing Spartan troops BEHIND the front line troops and completely cutting off the logistic trail to Athens/Greece via the road that served the coast

ie commando raids to hit soft targets with hardcore troops

Not sure what I mean? This. Was not politically possible.

bit late for that now with the Persian army in invasion mode

Was talking more about your impossible counter to the invasion… Playing counter histories is fun but it needs to be grounded in a veneer of plausibility and possibility.

Somewhere under the water might be a cairn. Imagine all the other relics and evidence of cities and monument now under water.

Speedy said:

monkey skipper said:

When I was around 25 years of age. A younger staff member had a complaint made against her for referring a client to her supervisor and prefacing the introduction of this elderly lady needs some help with a question I cannot answer or something similar enough. She was as it turns out , in the age group of her 50’s and did not like the suggestion one little bit at all. Another co-worker who was in a similar age group at the time said to me. Inside I feel like when I was in teens years, yes there are changes as we grow but inside we feel just the same and that world old is something I want to nominate for myself when I feel appropriate and not thrust upon me by someone else. She defended the client being upset. The young person cried and meant no offence at all. :/

I think life just goes too fast. Old age sneaks up on us and when we reach a nominated number, we do not feel how we expected we would by that time.

In the old days of Scribbly, jj said something along the lines of … when she was a little girl, she expected older people to be knowing and wise. But now that she was older, she did not feel that this was true. She had more questions than ever before.

This is true.

mollwollfumble said:

> I think life just goes too fast.

No way! Humans live far too long. Humans have a similar diet and weight to bears, and bears in the wild only live for an average of 20 years.

This same applies for practically all mammals, even mammals leading the pampered lifestyle of a pet or zoo animal live on average a much shorter lifespan than a human.

I think … I think that those people who say that life is too short or goes too fast only say that because they don’t count the time they spend talking (a cynical statement, but I think it’s true).

Yes this is also true.

PermeateFree said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

mollwollfumble said:

Nor is this exceptional. We are remarkably lucky to live in a time where the human lifespan is exceptionally long. But it’s not going to last.

mollwollfumble said:

Nor is this exceptional. We are remarkably lucky to live in a time where the human lifespan is exceptionally long. But it’s not going to last.

Not with an attitude like that it’s not.

But seriously, for the first time in the history of living things on this planet, we have the means to control our population and use of resources to allow our species a long term future.

So why aren’t the people in charge doing all they can to ensure that this opportunity is realised?

We might have the means, but do we have the will?

With the approach of Global Warming, which includes additional problems in growing sufficient food and collecting water where it is needed, plus overpopulation and mass migration for economic and climate problems, not to mention rising sea-levels, there are going to be events more serious than anything our species has experienced before.

I don’t know about ‘ever experienced’.

roughbarked said:

mollwollfumble said:

> I think life just goes too fast.

No way! Humans live far too long. Humans have a similar diet and weight to bears, and bears in the wild only live for an average of 20 years.

This same applies for practically all mammals, even mammals leading the pampered lifestyle of a pet or zoo animal live on average a much shorter lifespan than a human.

I think … I think that those people who say that life is too short or goes too fast only say that because they don’t count the time they spend talking (a cynical statement, but I think it’s true).

Yes this is also true.

The bear part is not true; much depends on the species of bear as to what they eat, also the size they grow, which can be several times that of humans.

roughbarked said:

PermeateFree said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Not with an attitude like that it’s not.

But seriously, for the first time in the history of living things on this planet, we have the means to control our population and use of resources to allow our species a long term future.

So why aren’t the people in charge doing all they can to ensure that this opportunity is realised?

We might have the means, but do we have the will?

With the approach of Global Warming, which includes additional problems in growing sufficient food and collecting water where it is needed, plus overpopulation and mass migration for economic and climate problems, not to mention rising sea-levels, there are going to be events more serious than anything our species has experienced before.

I don’t know about ‘ever experienced’.

Well if you are still around in about 35 years, you will then get an inkling that will only get worse.

PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

PermeateFree said:

We might have the means, but do we have the will?

With the approach of Global Warming, which includes additional problems in growing sufficient food and collecting water where it is needed, plus overpopulation and mass migration for economic and climate problems, not to mention rising sea-levels, there are going to be events more serious than anything our species has experienced before.

I don’t know about ‘ever experienced’.

Well if you are still around in about 35 years, you will then get an inkling that will only get worse.

Not planning on waiting that long.

roughbarked said:

PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

I don’t know about ‘ever experienced’.

Well if you are still around in about 35 years, you will then get an inkling that will only get worse.

Not planning on waiting that long.

The climate is an interaction of very large events, which happen slowly (as far as our life spans are concerned) and consequently very difficult to stop. The reversal of Global Warming will likely thousands of years and that is if runaway global warming can be avoided, if not the future looks very dim. That by the way is not my opinion, but that of many climate scientists.

PermeateFree said:

roughbarked said:

PermeateFree said:

Well if you are still around in about 35 years, you will then get an inkling that will only get worse.

Not planning on waiting that long.

The climate is an interaction of very large events, which happen slowly (as far as our life spans are concerned) and consequently very difficult to stop. The reversal of Global Warming will likely thousands of years and that is if runaway global warming can be avoided, if not the future looks very dim. That by the way is not my opinion, but that of many climate scientists.

Yes. I’ve done my best to comprehend the issues of the earth for my entire life and I’ve tried to be responsible to the earth for my time on earth but sadly I’m only as human as the rest of us even though everyone always said I wasn’t.

Not yet.

Peak Warming Man said:

Bubblecar said:

Arts said:

so it’s sixty? so you can be a senior for a good 20 years.. 30 if you are lucky.. 40 if you are up for a telegram..

World’s oldest person recently died aged 117.

That’s why you don’t want to live to a really old age because the chances of dying are greater.

Yeah old age is only for the hardcore Xtreme types. Think snowboarding is risky, try being 115.

dv said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Bubblecar said:

World’s oldest person recently died aged 117.

That’s why you don’t want to live to a really old age because the chances of dying are greater.

Yeah old age is only for the hardcore Xtreme types. Think snowboarding is risky, try being 115.

Not planning going much past 90 thanks.

Going by the ABS’s actuarial tables, the expected (ie probabilistic mean) year of my death is 2051. The median is a bit later, 2053: ie there is a 50% chance of me living to 2053. However, this is just based on the overall male population of Australia. I’ve never smoked and don’t have any problems with cholesterol, blood pressure, diabetes or any other chronic medical conditions, and my passtimes are low-risk: on the other hand I am overweight and have been for most of my adult life. Family history is mixed: my grandparents tended to kick on a bit, parents not so much. On balance it might be a fair estimate.

On the other hand, these tables are based on death rates now: over time, the death_rates_for_age have tended to reduce, as medicine improves.

But past 2055, the expected survival rate drops sharply. From here, the ABS tables indicate I have only a 13% chance of surviving to the next visit of Halley’s Comet in 2061.

There’s been quite a burn off in 19th century folk in the first three months of this year. At 01 Jan 2015 there were 13 people born in the 19th century alive, and now there are 9.

Doris Day just turned 91. I would say that’s elderly.

Divine Angel said:

Doris Day just turned 91. I would say that’s elderly.

Forget her name but there’s a 100 year old lady that wrote directed choreographed and acted in her own production recently.