Have Scientists Come up With the Key to Contacting Aliens?
For decades man has been infatuated with the prospect of another life force existing outside our galaxy and finding ways of making contact, but scientists now claim that they have uncovered the key to communicating with aliens.
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What utter crap.
We can’t communicate with dolphins, chickens, llamas or geckos yet.
FFS I have problems communicating with my wife and apparently we’re the same species.
Teleost said:
What utter crap.We can’t communicate with dolphins, chickens, llamas or geckos yet.
FFS I have problems communicating with my wife and apparently we’re the same species.
To be fair, she’s from Venus
>For decades man has been infatuated with the prospect of another life force existing outside our galaxy and finding ways of making contact, but scientists now claim that they have uncovered the key to communicating with aliens.
I’m quite a reclusive individual, been ‘round the block couple of times and not much infatuates, i’m not hypersocial, given to intrigue for entertainment, further I am not inclined to invent aliens to reassure of what is normal, whether whatever exists or not, anyway if I wanted an invisible friend or enemy i’d just look a bit deeeper into my self – small steps – making it familiar. I’m blunt, bordering fucken crass, and parochial, not given to worldliness, or something delusional of whatever larger scale, like ‘the universe’. The sky though can appear pleasing at night, not to the extent though it gives me an intellectual erection, it looks cold out there, far away.
It appears to me that the wankery of having an audience, of which humans have TV etc that is always carving one out and maintaining them, now extends to ETs, if we could just beam shit out there ‘man’ (of which I identify in a very limited sense, minus the ideology, much as that is possible) could have a larger a broader audience. SETI’d become a TV station, school and church for aliens, or the alien in each of us. We could look out instead of in, far away instead of nearby, to that that maybe doesn’t exist instead of that that does exist.
Once there was God, properly a metaphor for that of the world incuding self of which one can’t know entirely, and as things go little ol’ is not quite ready to move on.
actually it is METI not SETI they are talking about. the arecibo message is the iconic experiment.
>actually it is METI not SETI they are talking about. the arecibo message is the iconic experiment.
mankind soliloquizing, or earthlings talkin’ to themselves
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_SETI
“…The lack of an established communications protocol is a challenge for METI.
First of all, while trying to synthesize an Interstellar Radio Message (IRM), we should bear in mind that Extraterrestrials will first deal with a physical phenomenon and, only after that, perceive the information. At first, ET’s receiving system will detect the radio signal; then, the issue of extraction of the received information and comprehension of the obtained message will arise. Therefore, above all, the Constructor of an IRM should be concerned about the ease of signal determination. In other words, the signal should have maximum openness, which is understood here as an antonym of the term security. This branch of signal synthesis can be named anticryptography.
To this end, in 2010, Michael W. Busch created a general-purpose binary language, later used in the Lone Signal project to transmit crowdsourced messages to extraterrestrial intelligence. Busch developed the coding scheme and provided Rachel M. Reddick with a test message, in a blind test of decryption. Reddick decoded the entire message after approximately twelve hours of work. This was followed by an attempt to extend the syntax used in the Lone Signal hailing message to communicate in a way that, while neither mathematical nor strictly logical, was nonetheless understandable given the prior definition of terms and concepts in the hailing message.
Also characteristics of the radio signal such as wavelength, type of polarization, and modulation have to be considered.
Over galactic distances, the interstellar medium induces some scintillation effects and artificial modulation of electromagnetic signals. This modulation is higher at lower frequencies and is a function of the sky direction. Over large distances, the depth of the modulation can exceed 100%, making any METI signal very difficult to decode…”
it doesn’t cost the tax payer anything as both are basically privately funded. and, well, you never know if you don’t give it a go.
Teleost said:
What utter crap.We can’t communicate with dolphins, chickens, llamas or geckos yet.
FFS I have problems communicating with my wife and apparently we’re the same species.
Like.
Teleost said:
What utter crap.We can’t communicate with dolphins, chickens, llamas or geckos yet.
FFS I have problems communicating with my wife and apparently we’re the same species.
You’d better hope she cannot read this. ;)
Dropbear said:
Teleost said:
What utter crap.We can’t communicate with dolphins, chickens, llamas or geckos yet.
FFS I have problems communicating with my wife and apparently we’re the same species.
To be fair, she’s from Venus
Amazing species, the female.
the trouble with that argument is that the intelligence levels between species isn’t equal. we have little trouble communicating with other humans who speak a different language and have different cultural mores. of course there are exceptions, linear a or b, can’t remember which, is still a mystery.
Boris said:
the trouble with that argument is that the intelligence levels between species isn’t equal. we have little trouble communicating with other humans who speak a different language and have different cultural mores. of course there are exceptions, linear a or b, can’t remember which, is still a mystery.
whenever I see the Michael V tag come up it reminds me of it
just had a look, linear a is still uncracked.
>the trouble with that argument is that the intelligence levels between species isn’t equal….”
Much is ‘communicated’ by creatures going about their own business (their kind of activities), minding their own business, not imposing, not encroaching (operating space), many species have instincts for this, and awareness exists of the behaviours of another type. It maybe a peculiar thing of humans (not meaning to overgeneralize – a tendency, of some examples) to understand ‘communications’ from a somewhat hypersocial perspective.
Space is a very practical, useful and effective compartmentalizer, so doubtful anything sent out into space is going to invite alien invasion.
If there’re ET ‘civilizations’ out there, some of them are possibly facing extinction as I write, and others haven’t come to be yet.
I’d expect most of the ‘life’ in the universe probably has no ‘civilization’, that civilization is quite a small aspect and transient, something many humans have a hunch about.
So, i’d think the life out there that might be for the moment imagined, and later even detected, that has no civilization, is somewhat more likely and interesting. If an ET civilization does happen to be detected or inferred along the way, i’d caution of indulging our ‘civilized prowess’ given the trend of declining diversity of organic life here at home on earth.
my personal view is that we wont contact any aliens and if we don’t find any life in this solar system then we’ll be hard pushed to detect any on extrasolar planets.
maybe we shouldn’t contact aliens
when aliens come I suspect it will be in some religious conquest similar to the missionaries that came after the invasions
lets say the aliens turn up and start telling you about some new religion/ philosophy , they have all the mind tricks of the worlds greatest religious leaders – how could even the cleverest of us try to rebut them if they are way ahead of the curve on everything?
when alien contact is finally made and confirmed.. 3.5 seconds later the sun will explode giving us 11.5 seconds of woohoo
Boris said:
my personal view is that we wont contact any aliens and if we don’t find any life in this solar system then we’ll be hard pushed to detect any on extrasolar planets.
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Quitter talk
I think our descendants probably will, even if they are cyborgs.
Teleost said:
What utter crap.We can’t communicate with dolphins, chickens, llamas or geckos yet.
FFS I have problems communicating with my wife and apparently we’re the same species.
we are communicating with dogs and dolphins
Communication between two intelligent species who wants to form a dialogue should be possible if we are physically similar and have similar thought and emotional processing.
I wouldn’t trust us humans to not try and get exclusive rights with them to get some technological advantage.
From original link, which actually has nothing to do with understanding alien language.
> “Seth Shostak proposed that we take the drastic step of offering all of our data to potential aliens. This would mean sending out the entire contents of the internet into space”
Too much useless info.
Start with Wikipedia.
Add non-fiction Project Gutenberg.
Add all back issues of journal Nature and Proceedings of the Royal Society.
What else would you send?
LOL. I know what else I would send, scanned texts of all PhD theses ever written. I reasoned out long ago that almost all the world’s useful knowledge could be found in PhD theses.
I would send the aliens tax law
they would send their civilisation into self destruct before they ever posed any threat to us
wookiemeister said:
I would send the aliens tax lawthey would send their civilisation into self destruct before they ever posed any threat to us
because it’s unlikely that other advanced societies would have ever grappled with the concept of how to fund social programs and services.
diddly-squat said:
wookiemeister said:
I would send the aliens tax lawthey would send their civilisation into self destruct before they ever posed any threat to us
because it’s unlikely that other advanced societies would have ever grappled with the concept of how to fund social programs and services.
mollwollfumble said:
From original link, which actually has nothing to do with understanding alien language or communication between species.> “Seth Shostak proposed that we take the drastic step of offering all of our data to potential aliens. This would mean sending out the entire contents of the internet into space”
Too much useless info.
Start with Wikipedia.
Add non-fiction Project Gutenberg.
Add all back issues of journal Nature and Proceedings of the Royal Society.
What else would you send?LOL. I know what else I would send, scanned texts of all PhD theses ever written. I reasoned out long ago that almost all the world’s useful knowledge could be found in PhD theses.
Just checked the web, PhD theses dated back to 1810 at the University of Berlin and first appeared in the English speaking world with Yale in the USA in 1861, Canada in 1900, and the UK in 1917. But earlier dissertations exist of comarable quality.It’d be interesting to read some.
I suppose I should send my memoirs into space for the aliens – they would like that
aliens are most likely using a different channel for deep space comms not involving radio
what you’ve got is possibly a device that is like a fast broadband hooking up different galaxies
under the original plan all galaxies were going to get the ultra fast broadband but it was deemed too costly and so a broadband to the node system was created