So, the Federal government want to add GST to music/movie downloads (including streaming via Quickflix et al)

They would also love to apply a bank deposit tax.

They also want to make it harder for us to access our own personal superannuation, with more restrictions by increasing access age and limiting payments to annuities (not allowed a lump sum).

HERE’S AN IDEA, WHY DON’T OUR EMPLOYERS JUST PUT ALL OUR WAGES STRAIGHT INTO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENTS TREASURY ACCOUNT, AND THEN JOE CAN DECIDE HOW MUCH POCKET MONEY HE WANTS TO PAY US THIS WEEK!

That would make things a lot simpler.

jesus fucking christ, keep deliberately enforcing inflation and suck us dry with taxes/fees/charges
Is it just me or are there any other people fed up with governments taking away more of our money & freedoms every year?

It’s not as if they spend the tax money on anything. Australia is not being attacked. We have no spending on space technology. We’re not recovering from a large natural disaster. Even pensions are at a minimum because of superannuation. There are no huge subsidies paid to keep big business such as car manufacturing and supertanker building here. There are no large civil engineering projects.

Let’s face it, the Liberals have never known how to handle money.

mollwollfumble said:

It’s not as if they spend the tax money on anything. Australia is not being attacked. We have no spending on space technology. We’re not recovering from a large natural disaster. Even pensions are at a minimum because of superannuation. There are no huge subsidies paid to keep big business such as car manufacturing and supertanker building here. There are no large civil engineering projects.

Let’s face it, the Liberals have never known how to handle money.

Also never listened to anybody tell them that.

mollwollfumble said:

Even pensions are at a minimum because of superannuation.

that’s sarcasm right?

mollwollfumble said:

It’s not as if they spend the tax money on anything. Australia is not being attacked. We have no spending on space technology. We’re not recovering from a large natural disaster. Even pensions are at a minimum because of superannuation. There are no huge subsidies paid to keep big business such as car manufacturing and supertanker building here. There are no large civil engineering projects.

Let’s face it, the Liberals have never known how to handle money.

I think we’ve reached the point in our social evolution where it matters not, which ever party is governing.
(in terms of fiscal policy)
….and also in terms of social reform

Aquila said:

mollwollfumble said:

It’s not as if they spend the tax money on anything. Australia is not being attacked. We have no spending on space technology. We’re not recovering from a large natural disaster. Even pensions are at a minimum because of superannuation. There are no huge subsidies paid to keep big business such as car manufacturing and supertanker building here. There are no large civil engineering projects.

Let’s face it, the Liberals have never known how to handle money.

I think we’ve reached the point in our social evolution where it matters not, which ever party is governing.
(in terms of fiscal policy)
….and also in terms of social reform

There are limits to growth and it is these that need to be better examined.

All these new taxes being introducted or extending the goods and services the GST applies to is because various governments federal and state fucked up both in anticipating money from mining that didn’t eventuate and wasting billions on various stupid ideas. Lets screw Joe and Jill public from being able to buy cheap goods and services but not make foreign business pay their fair share, same old story.

roughbarked said:

Aquila said:

mollwollfumble said:

It’s not as if they spend the tax money on anything. Australia is not being attacked. We have no spending on space technology. We’re not recovering from a large natural disaster. Even pensions are at a minimum because of superannuation. There are no huge subsidies paid to keep big business such as car manufacturing and supertanker building here. There are no large civil engineering projects.

Let’s face it, the Liberals have never known how to handle money.

I think we’ve reached the point in our social evolution where it matters not, which ever party is governing.
(in terms of fiscal policy)
….and also in terms of social reform

There are limits to growth and it is these that need to be better examined.

Growth is not linear.
Governments & central banks try to control the economy but they don’t know what they are doing because no one entity (or person/economist) fully understands the entire economy.

But, we DO know that natural forces are dynamic, they rise and fall, ebb and flow, so forcing continual credit expansion and upward asset prices through various policy measures and manipulations is not sustainable.

Keeping people in debt and worrying about job security is a good means of social control, you won’t rock the boat too much if your ability to provide yourself with basic needs is at stake

Cymek said:

All these new taxes being introducted or extending the goods and services the GST applies to is because various governments federal and state fucked up both in anticipating money from mining that didn’t eventuate and wasting billions on various stupid ideas. Lets screw Joe and Jill public from being able to buy cheap goods and services but not make foreign business pay their fair share, same old story.

yeah

….side note:
Quickflix is an AUSTRALIAN online movie streaming business…..but EVERYONE keeps banging on about and supporting Netflix.

LOL

Cymek said:

Keeping people in debt and worrying about job security is a good means of social control, you won’t rock the boat too much if your ability to provide yourself with basic needs is at stake

Its OK to turn the populace into psychotic wrecks because the pension for having been a useless politician is still worth the effort.

Cymek said:

Keeping people in debt and worrying about job security is a good means of social control, you won’t rock the boat too much if your ability to provide yourself with basic needs is at stake

This is the strategy used in China.

The general population simply don’t comprehend (or care) what a sweet ride the banking & finance industries are on.
The only way banks can profit is via credit (debt) expansion. And they seem to doing quite well, thank you very much. (tic)

What makes me laugh is the fuck up & timing regarding the mining super profits tax.
Yet the politicians don’t have the balls to apply a super profits tax to the big banks, who rake in 10’s of billions every six months.
That’s how much power the banking industry carries.

I only have a mortage as a debt, the first thing I did when I received some inheritance was to pay off all other debts, I’ve never getting another personal loan, car loan or credit card again, financial stress sucks big time.

This isn’t a tax but my back and shoulders have being really sore for the last month or two, its hurts to walk and I’ve probably spent $1000 trying to find out the problem, physio, x-rays, ultrasound,etc and this is just so I am not in pain its not like its some luxury. I can see our medical system going even further down the track of users pays where if you are poor too bad

Aquila said:

So, the Federal government want to add GST to music/movie downloads (including streaming via Quickflix et al)

They would also love to apply a bank deposit tax.

They also want to make it harder for us to access our own personal superannuation, with more restrictions by increasing access age and limiting payments to annuities (not allowed a lump sum).

HERE’S AN IDEA, WHY DON’T OUR EMPLOYERS JUST PUT ALL OUR WAGES STRAIGHT INTO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENTS TREASURY ACCOUNT, AND THEN JOE CAN DECIDE HOW MUCH POCKET MONEY HE WANTS TO PAY US THIS WEEK!

That would make things a lot simpler.

jesus fucking christ, keep deliberately enforcing inflation and suck us dry with taxes/fees/charges
Is it just me or are there any other people fed up with governments taking away more of our money & freedoms every year?

Personally I’m fed up with governments of both persuasions reducing taxes then seeking to reduce services to the most vulnerable in an effort to balance the budget.

Sure there is some scope for increased tax revenue from big companies and very rich individuals, but people on above average income need to face the fact that they should be paying more tax.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Aquila said:

So, the Federal government want to add GST to music/movie downloads (including streaming via Quickflix et al)

They would also love to apply a bank deposit tax.

They also want to make it harder for us to access our own personal superannuation, with more restrictions by increasing access age and limiting payments to annuities (not allowed a lump sum).

HERE’S AN IDEA, WHY DON’T OUR EMPLOYERS JUST PUT ALL OUR WAGES STRAIGHT INTO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENTS TREASURY ACCOUNT, AND THEN JOE CAN DECIDE HOW MUCH POCKET MONEY HE WANTS TO PAY US THIS WEEK!

That would make things a lot simpler.

jesus fucking christ, keep deliberately enforcing inflation and suck us dry with taxes/fees/charges
Is it just me or are there any other people fed up with governments taking away more of our money & freedoms every year?

Personally I’m fed up with governments of both persuasions reducing taxes then seeking to reduce services to the most vulnerable in an effort to balance the budget.

Sure there is some scope for increased tax revenue from big companies and very rich individuals, but people on above average income need to face the fact that they should be paying more tax.

Save billions. Abolish the States.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Aquila said:

So, the Federal government want to add GST to music/movie downloads (including streaming via Quickflix et al)

They would also love to apply a bank deposit tax.

They also want to make it harder for us to access our own personal superannuation, with more restrictions by increasing access age and limiting payments to annuities (not allowed a lump sum).

HERE’S AN IDEA, WHY DON’T OUR EMPLOYERS JUST PUT ALL OUR WAGES STRAIGHT INTO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENTS TREASURY ACCOUNT, AND THEN JOE CAN DECIDE HOW MUCH POCKET MONEY HE WANTS TO PAY US THIS WEEK!

That would make things a lot simpler.

jesus fucking christ, keep deliberately enforcing inflation and suck us dry with taxes/fees/charges
Is it just me or are there any other people fed up with governments taking away more of our money & freedoms every year?

Personally I’m fed up with governments of both persuasions reducing taxes then seeking to reduce services to the most vulnerable in an effort to balance the budget.

Sure there is some scope for increased tax revenue from big companies and very rich individuals, but people on above average income need to face the fact that they should be paying more tax.

Tax evasion syndrome will still decree that they will avoid showing higher income wherever possible.

Tamb said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Aquila said:

So, the Federal government want to add GST to music/movie downloads (including streaming via Quickflix et al)

They would also love to apply a bank deposit tax.

They also want to make it harder for us to access our own personal superannuation, with more restrictions by increasing access age and limiting payments to annuities (not allowed a lump sum).

HERE’S AN IDEA, WHY DON’T OUR EMPLOYERS JUST PUT ALL OUR WAGES STRAIGHT INTO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENTS TREASURY ACCOUNT, AND THEN JOE CAN DECIDE HOW MUCH POCKET MONEY HE WANTS TO PAY US THIS WEEK!

That would make things a lot simpler.

jesus fucking christ, keep deliberately enforcing inflation and suck us dry with taxes/fees/charges
Is it just me or are there any other people fed up with governments taking away more of our money & freedoms every year?

Personally I’m fed up with governments of both persuasions reducing taxes then seeking to reduce services to the most vulnerable in an effort to balance the budget.

Sure there is some scope for increased tax revenue from big companies and very rich individuals, but people on above average income need to face the fact that they should be paying more tax.

Save billions. Abolish the States.

They are going to have to abolish state management of water resources in the near future simply because water knows no such boundaries or it didn’t until states chose to control water resources.

Tamb said:

Save billions. Abolish the States.

Abolishing the States might well be counter-productive.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Tamb said:

Save billions. Abolish the States.

Abolishing the States might well be counter-productive.

In many ways that is possibly the outcome.

Save billions. Abolish the States.

They are going to have to abolish state management of water resources in the near future simply because water knows no such boundaries or it didn’t until states chose to control water resources.

We have found something similar in tourism.
Tourists don’t see Shire & State boundaries.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Tamb said:

Save billions. Abolish the States.

Abolishing the States might well be counter-productive.

Possibly, but probably not.

Aquila said:

What makes me laugh is the fuck up & timing regarding the mining super profits tax.
Yet the politicians don’t have the balls to apply a super profits tax to the big banks, who rake in 10’s of billions every six months.
That’s how much power the banking industry carries.

The difference is that banks are not selling a limited resource, and would pass on any increased taxation costs anyway.

The removal of the mining tax was pure Liberal hypocrisy, but that doesn’t make increasing taxation on banks a good idea.

Just pay your taxes like a good boy and stop your damn whinning. Nothing is free.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Aquila said:

What makes me laugh is the fuck up & timing regarding the mining super profits tax.
Yet the politicians don’t have the balls to apply a super profits tax to the big banks, who rake in 10’s of billions every six months.
That’s how much power the banking industry carries.

The difference is that banks are not selling a limited resource, and would pass on any increased taxation costs anyway.

The removal of the mining tax was pure Liberal hypocrisy, but that doesn’t make increasing taxation on banks a good idea.

Indeed, it does appear that money (credit) is not a limited resource.

I didn’t say increasing taxation on banks is a good idea because the mining super profits tax (minerals resource rent tax) was stuffed up and ill-timed, but rather to apply a ‘super profits tax’ to the banks because…..they seem to making “super profits” from an “unlimited” resource.
Why shouldn’t the government tap into that unlimited resource, instead of tapping into US all the time? (tic rhetorical question, btw)

Spiny Norman said:

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the problem is that many people who vote have no idea who or what they are voting for. I think we need to change that system.

It’s all those government office pot plants…

Neophyte said:

It’s all those government office pot plants…

My office has none supplied by the government only those bought in my coworkers.
We had some mad man screaming and ranting about pot plant wastage and he destroyed the lot, they eventually tazered him but since then they are banned, he was the leader of a anti pot plant cult. Mr Woo. K. Meister

my reign of terror will be firm but fair

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3032958/The-big-loophole-Netflix-tax-Experts-say-avoiding-10-cent-rise-price-online-movies-iTunes-eBay-purchases-won-t-tough-tech-savy.html

Aquila said:

I think we’ve reached the point in our social evolution where it matters not, which ever party is governing.
(in terms of fiscal policy)
….and also in terms of social reform

I have to agree. It’s the intelligence of the leader (and the policies) that matters, nothing else.

which is why plato realised that having an educated and balanced leader was critical

tony abbot would have been booted off the potential leader list years ago using plato’s method of selection

mollwollfumble said:

It’s not as if they spend the tax money on anything. Australia is not being attacked. We have no spending on space technology. We’re not recovering from a large natural disaster. Even pensions are at a minimum because of superannuation. There are no huge subsidies paid to keep big business such as car manufacturing and supertanker building here. There are no large civil engineering projects.

Let’s face it, the Liberals have never known how to handle money.

yeah other than social security and health services and education services and defense and infrastructure and criminal justice and superannuation and aged care services and disability services and community services and foreign aid and environmental services and government operations… but other than that, it’s not like they spend their money on anything…

diddly-squat said:

mollwollfumble said:

It’s not as if they spend the tax money on anything. Australia is not being attacked. We have no spending on space technology. We’re not recovering from a large natural disaster. Even pensions are at a minimum because of superannuation. There are no huge subsidies paid to keep big business such as car manufacturing and supertanker building here. There are no large civil engineering projects.

Let’s face it, the Liberals have never known how to handle money.

yeah other than social security and health services and education services and defense and infrastructure and criminal justice and superannuation and aged care services and disability services and community services and foreign aid and environmental services and government operations… but other than that, it’s not like they spend their money on anything…

When it comes to politics Moll always goes a little ‘cray cray’.

fear of capital flight, or not attracting capital, or Australia seeming not one of the better destinations for it…..

diddly-squat said:

mollwollfumble said:

It’s not as if they spend the tax money on anything. Australia is not being attacked. We have no spending on space technology. We’re not recovering from a large natural disaster. Even pensions are at a minimum because of superannuation. There are no huge subsidies paid to keep big business such as car manufacturing and supertanker building here. There are no large civil engineering projects.

Let’s face it, the Liberals have never known how to handle money.

yeah other than social security and health services and education services and defense and infrastructure and criminal justice and superannuation and aged care services and disability services and community services and foreign aid and environmental services and government operations… but other than that, it’s not like they spend their money on anything…

its how its used

why SHOULD joe hockey spend 50,000 to eat in Washington and then everyone that we need to start sacking people, that 50,000 could have been used to employ someone for a year not been blown on a few wild nights in Washington at the tax payers expense

mollwollfumble said:

It’s not as if they spend the tax money on anything. Australia is not being attacked.

This argument always amuses me. We’re not being attacked, therefore we shouldn’t spend anything, or much, on defence. It is one of the most mind boggling stupid arguments that I’ve ever come across, and yet it is used so often. It’s like a tattoo, anyone who spouts this form of nonsense can really be discounted from a form of reasonable discourse.

its why I still say ostracism should be brought back

you could exile lots of politicians that decided to make very stupid decisions

sibeen said:

mollwollfumble said:

It’s not as if they spend the tax money on anything. Australia is not being attacked.

This argument always amuses me. We’re not being attacked, therefore we shouldn’t spend anything, or much, on defence. It is one of the most mind boggling stupid arguments that I’ve ever come across, and yet it is used so often. It’s like a tattoo, anyone who spouts this form of nonsense can really be discounted from a form of reasonable discourse.

Australia doesn’t have any credible defence force anyway

they have not won ONE military campaign since the 1950s

the Australian public is brainwashed into all this jerk off about capability yet once again as a credible military force strolls around the middle east smashing up museums, smashing/ blowing up artifacts of cultural importance, beheading priests, throwing people from buildings, stoning them laying waste to whole cities the army is back in barracks patting itself on the back for a job well done (neither Iraq nor Afghanistan were indeed won). you’d have to be brainless to even think that Australia had any capability beyond glossy brochures.

the truth is harsh

wookiemeister said:

the Australian public is brainwashed into all this jerk off about capability yet once again as a credible military force strolls around the middle east smashing up museums, smashing/ blowing up artifacts of cultural importance, beheading priests, throwing people from buildings, stoning them laying waste to whole cities the army is back in barracks patting itself on the back for a job well done (neither Iraq nor Afghanistan were indeed won). you’d have to be brainless to even think that Australia had any capability beyond glossy brochures.

None of them cunts can do it here.

party_pants said:

wookiemeister said:

the Australian public is brainwashed into all this jerk off about capability yet once again as a credible military force strolls around the middle east smashing up museums, smashing/ blowing up artifacts of cultural importance, beheading priests, throwing people from buildings, stoning them laying waste to whole cities the army is back in barracks patting itself on the back for a job well done (neither Iraq nor Afghanistan were indeed won). you’d have to be brainless to even think that Australia had any capability beyond glossy brochures.

None of them cunts can do it here.

unless they walk into a chocolate shop , hold back the police in all their swat finery, allow shots to be fired – people running out of an open door and then look at that open door and say naaaaaaaah and end up killing one of the hostages because they didn’t know how to use their weapons nor indeed use the correct weapon (the MP5). you get a sinking feeling when you see these situations and considering the police are only useful for speed radar duties you tend to switch off the TV on such things.

As for Wookie… he’s always a little cray-cray.

>This argument always amuses me. We’re not being attacked

you’d have to ask moll what be meaning exactly, but my read of that’n all was that it’s not like Australia has any seriously burdensome problems that should stop it from investing more (in areas that wouldn’t be any great problem and have fairly certain benefits into the future), so it’s about some vision and confidence of and for the future….

Witty Rejoinder said:

As for Wookie… he’s always a little cray-cray.

can you tell me exactly which military conflict Australia has won since the 1950s?

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There are now well over 100 variants of the MP5 available to cover the large number of different tactical requirements for a wide variety of users. whether on land, on the water or in the air – The MP5 is universally applicable, making it usable in all areas and under all conditions

>can you tell me exactly which military conflict Australia has won since the 1950s?

does that include all the ones that didn’t happen that could’ve happened, and past and present investments in keeping the probability of a future conflict low?

wookiemeister said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

As for Wookie… he’s always a little cray-cray.

can you tell me exactly which military conflict Australia has won since the 1950s?

The war to liberate Kuwait had a clearly defined objective and is generally considered to be a job well done. Australia’s mission in East Timor could also IMO be considered a success.

Witty Rejoinder said:

Australia’s mission in East Timor could also IMO be considered a success.

We got very, very close to coming to a full on stoush with Indonesia over East Timor. The fact that we had the F18s and the much maligned Collins Class subs made their senior defence force commanders tell their politicians to pull their head in; but it was a close run thing. Without our superior arms that argument may not have stood up.

Smile…and carry a big stick.

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

As for Wookie… he’s always a little cray-cray.

can you tell me exactly which military conflict Australia has won since the 1950s?

The war to liberate Kuwait had a clearly defined objective and is generally considered to be a job well done. Australia’s mission in East Timor could also IMO be considered a success.

the war on Iraq 1st time round was not concluded, the yanks turned around and went back not much of a victory there

east timor was not a military campaign – apart from a few rioters the army came under no serious resistance

next

Gough Whitlam that creep put the red carpet out for Indonesia to invade east timor – he was told by the yanks to let the thing ride

the labor party had to ride that train until the Indonesians quietly departed and the whole thing disappeared

anyway

gone

wookiemeister said:

the war on Iraq 1st time round was not concluded, the yanks turned around and went back not much of a victory there

So you say Gulf War 1 was a failure because it didn’t try to do exactly what it failed to do in GW2. There is no pleasing you.

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

the war on Iraq 1st time round was not concluded, the yanks turned around and went back not much of a victory there

So you say Gulf War 1 was a failure because it didn’t try to do exactly what it failed to do in GW2. There is no pleasing you.

it was a failure because America decided it really did want to invade Iraq , hence invasion 2

same country, same leader

and why after liberating Kuwait did they bomb Iraq every day for ten years if it actually wasn’t the same conflict that they eventually lost under invasion 2?

The Rev Dodgson said:

Personally I’m fed up with governments of both persuasions reducing taxes then seeking to reduce services to the most vulnerable in an effort to balance the budget.

It was interesting that the Howard government started lowering income tax levels toward the end of their rein. The cynics may say it was to buy votes to keep them in power. Others say that the books were balanced and it was the right thing to return the excess to the people.

Why they didn’t use that money to A: Build much needed infrustructure..something…anything.. An east coast high speed rail link, a north / south irigation channel, a national fibre backbone. or B: Continue to pay down debt. Just because the books were balanced, it didn’t mean we were debt free as a nation.

We could just safely pay off our international debts comfortably. Anyone who has followed the stock market for the last 20 years even at a glance should realise there are cycles, and the Howard government oversaw a time of amazing prosperity. They didn’t plan for the after party hangover.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Sure there is some scope for increased tax revenue from big companies and very rich individuals, but people on above average income need to face the fact that they should be paying more tax.

Payroll tax increases on big business directly affects staffing levels. More load is thrown on the survivors in the business and productivity is stymied in some cases. Unemployment levels are getting up there now without the extra burden. 10 Years ago was the time to hit big business.

The rich can’t be taxed much more. They have avenues to flee the country for tax purposes. The UK is a great example of that. I’ll try dig up some data on it.

I’m torn between social welfare at the moment. I’m not a parent and have no intention of ever being one. It irks me at times that some families effectively get back 100% of their paid income tax in welfare for deciding to have a family. Other times I know it is continuing to stabilise the longevity of the country by encouraging more young people into the workforce.

I can’t help thinking that one stay at home mom or dad would be better than shelving out 10s of thousands of dollars to parents just to put them back in the workforce. Better for the tax system and better for society to have a parent nurture their child instead of the 21 year old uni graduate who doesn’t care about the individual child the way a parent would.

I can’t help thinking that Australia has never totally shaken off the White Australia policy. There are millions and millions of cashed up, well educated people all over the world who would be excellent potential migrants to Australia. Charge them $100000.00 entry (just pulled that figure. I haven’t done the math) and have them deposit a minimum bank deposit via authentic means into an Australian bank account as trust. There is our issue with family welfare taken care of for the next 20 years.

It’s my second year in Thailand and although I know I’ll be back in Australia when this contract is up, I can’t help thinking they have something Australia has missed. There is no real welfare to speak of here. If you are poor, you get working doing something or you die on the street. People get by and ingenuity is alive and well. The service industry is alive; you can get your shoes shined on the way to work.

I decided to practice my local dialect with the guy as he took off my shoes, took out the laces, washed them,shined the leather to a brilliant finish as I ate breafast at a steet vendor – barefooted save for my socks. He told me he could easily clean 15 to 20 pairs of shoes a day with 10 being the average. It was higher at the start of the month when salaries were paid, but evened out.

10 shines at 100 baht a shine equated to 1000 baht a day. with average 20 trading days, that’s 20000 baht a month. More than the engineering graduates start on at the company I work with. 20000 baht a month is quite a decent life in Thailand. This guy is just one of many examples I could personally offer in the small community I live in.

When was the last time you saw that sort of drive and want to do better in Australia on a large scale from the unemployed?

There needs to be an open forum on what Australia really needs. There are too many lazy people in Australia who demand welfare. There will always be waste in Government. Whenever there are multitudes of people trying to pull together here will be waste. But welfare can be tackled. Family welfare, unemployment welfare…These things can be addressed with real alternatives and incentives for those who want to acheive and are just lacking in some aspect of their life.

stan101 said:

The Rev Dodgson said:

Personally I’m fed up with governments of both persuasions reducing taxes then seeking to reduce services to the most vulnerable in an effort to balance the budget.

It was interesting that the Howard government started lowering income tax levels toward the end of their rein. The cynics may say it was to buy votes to keep them in power. Others say that the books were balanced and it was the right thing to return the excess to the people.

Why they didn’t use that money to A: Build much needed infrustructure..something…anything.. An east coast high speed rail link, a north / south irigation channel, a national fibre backbone. or B: Continue to pay down debt. Just because the books were balanced, it didn’t mean we were debt free as a nation.

We could just safely pay off our international debts comfortably. Anyone who has followed the stock market for the last 20 years even at a glance should realise there are cycles, and the Howard government oversaw a time of amazing prosperity. They didn’t plan for the after party hangover.

The Rev Dodgson said:

Sure there is some scope for increased tax revenue from big companies and very rich individuals, but people on above average income need to face the fact that they should be paying more tax.

Payroll tax increases on big business directly affects staffing levels. More load is thrown on the survivors in the business and productivity is stymied in some cases. Unemployment levels are getting up there now without the extra burden. 10 Years ago was the time to hit big business.

The rich can’t be taxed much more. They have avenues to flee the country for tax purposes. The UK is a great example of that. I’ll try dig up some data on it.

I’m torn between social welfare at the moment. I’m not a parent and have no intention of ever being one. It irks me at times that some families effectively get back 100% of their paid income tax in welfare for deciding to have a family. Other times I know it is continuing to stabilise the longevity of the country by encouraging more young people into the workforce.

I can’t help thinking that one stay at home mom or dad would be better than shelving out 10s of thousands of dollars to parents just to put them back in the workforce. Better for the tax system and better for society to have a parent nurture their child instead of the 21 year old uni graduate who doesn’t care about the individual child the way a parent would.

I can’t help thinking that Australia has never totally shaken off the White Australia policy. There are millions and millions of cashed up, well educated people all over the world who would be excellent potential migrants to Australia. Charge them $100000.00 entry (just pulled that figure. I haven’t done the math) and have them deposit a minimum bank deposit via authentic means into an Australian bank account as trust. There is our issue with family welfare taken care of for the next 20 years.

It’s my second year in Thailand and although I know I’ll be back in Australia when this contract is up, I can’t help thinking they have something Australia has missed. There is no real welfare to speak of here. If you are poor, you get working doing something or you die on the street. People get by and ingenuity is alive and well. The service industry is alive; you can get your shoes shined on the way to work.

I decided to practice my local dialect with the guy as he took off my shoes, took out the laces, washed them,shined the leather to a brilliant finish as I ate breafast at a steet vendor – barefooted save for my socks. He told me he could easily clean 15 to 20 pairs of shoes a day with 10 being the average. It was higher at the start of the month when salaries were paid, but evened out.

10 shines at 100 baht a shine equated to 1000 baht a day. with average 20 trading days, that’s 20000 baht a month. More than the engineering graduates start on at the company I work with. 20000 baht a month is quite a decent life in Thailand. This guy is just one of many examples I could personally offer in the small community I live in.

When was the last time you saw that sort of drive and want to do better in Australia on a large scale from the unemployed?

There needs to be an open forum on what Australia really needs. There are too many lazy people in Australia who demand welfare. There will always be waste in Government. Whenever there are multitudes of people trying to pull together here will be waste. But welfare can be tackled. Family welfare, unemployment welfare…These things can be addressed with real alternatives and incentives for those who want to acheive and are just lacking in some aspect of their life.

I don’t think you have the Australia situation correct regarding starting up a small businesses on the street. For a start you need to be registered with the Taxation office, then you need to get permission to operate a business on the street and if you look around the streets anywhere is Australia you won’t see many stalls or small business ventures. Simply put, you cannot set up these businesses up like you can in less developed countries, but if you could I would expect large numbers of small businesses getting a break to be self-traders with many developing into highly successful companies.

It is not the lack of Australian incentive, but the lack of opportunity due to the stifling effect of law and order.

You took me too literally due to me not explaining myself fully.

I am more concerned with the attitude of the lazy arsed australian who simply puts their hand out for government reward. People with drive and initiative will prosper in some way given they are of sound mind and body generally speaking.

It’s not hard to jump on line and register a sole trader business and start a service based offering under full australian guidelines for basically a couple of hundred dollars start up costs.

Two that come to mind instantly:

Cleaning wheely bins.
Cleaning fly screens.

stan101 said:

You took me too literally due to me not explaining myself fully.

I am more concerned with the attitude of the lazy arsed australian who simply puts their hand out for government reward. People with drive and initiative will prosper in some way given they are of sound mind and body generally speaking.

It’s not hard to jump on line and register a sole trader business and start a service based offering under full australian guidelines for basically a couple of hundred dollars start up costs.

Two that come to mind instantly:

Cleaning wheely bins.
Cleaning fly screens.

yep, it’s all the peoples fault. politicians are doing a fantastic job…

stan101 said:

.

Two that come to mind instantly:

Cleaning wheely bins.
Cleaning fly screens.

Both the very definition of a bullshit job

Wookie is a solutions guy, I am wondering if he was PM what he would do to the defence forces?

wookiemeister said:

Witty Rejoinder said:

wookiemeister said:

the war on Iraq 1st time round was not concluded, the yanks turned around and went back not much of a victory there

So you say Gulf War 1 was a failure because it didn’t try to do exactly what it failed to do in GW2. There is no pleasing you.

it was a failure because America decided it really did want to invade Iraq , hence invasion 2

same country, same leader

As always you ignore politics, it would have been impossible to invade Iraq, the coalition, especially the Arab States and critical support of Saudi staging made it impossible. And Bush senior appreciated better than his son, the implications of owning a country. He was happy as was most of the gulf region, to put Saddam back into his box.

stan101 said:

You took me too literally due to me not explaining myself fully.

I am more concerned with the attitude of the lazy arsed australian who simply puts their hand out for government reward. People with drive and initiative will prosper in some way given they are of sound mind and body generally speaking.

It’s not hard to jump on line and register a sole trader business and start a service based offering under full australian guidelines for basically a couple of hundred dollars start up costs.

Two that come to mind instantly:

Cleaning wheely bins.
Cleaning fly screens.

I’ve been there done that at registering a small business but I’d first ask anyone spouting this stuff to have a go at it yourself before you order others to. How much would you pay to have the exclusive service of the best bin cleaner or screen washer? More than you’d pay to shine your shoes? Get real man and create real jobs.

Sure, if thongs cost a weeks wages you may pay me sixpence to repair them from a wheelbarrow on the side of the road.

AwesomeO said:

Wookie is a solutions guy, I am wondering if he was PM what he would do to the defence forces?

build an Australian service rifle based on the AK47 with a British army SA80 sight

have a paratrooper and marines regiment

have two sets of dress on army bases- camouflage for battle and field activities , have plain green dress for base ; it creates the psychological division between the two activities the mind isn’t continually in battle mode nor is it in base mode on the battlefield for real.

build Australian made nightvision goggles – lighter, smaller – not to be sold to anyone else or given to other countries

build a mobile ICBM system with conventional warheads these missiles should be able to strike naval targets if necessary

build smaller subs with less crew
type 1 : coastal defence – sub hunter / ship hunter
type 2: ICBM missile carrier

or just buy American nuclear subs

buy F16s and be done with it

wookiemeister said:

AwesomeO said:

Wookie is a solutions guy, I am wondering if he was PM what he would do to the defence forces?

build an Australian service rifle based on the AK47 with a British army SA80 sight

have a paratrooper and marines regiment

have two sets of dress on army bases- camouflage for battle and field activities , have plain green dress for base ; it creates the psychological division between the two activities the mind isn’t continually in battle mode nor is it in base mode on the battlefield for real.

build Australian made nightvision goggles – lighter, smaller – not to be sold to anyone else or given to other countries

build a mobile ICBM system with conventional warheads these missiles should be able to strike naval targets if necessary

build smaller subs with less crew
type 1 : coastal defence – sub hunter / ship hunter
type 2: ICBM missile carrier

or just buy American nuclear subs

buy F16s and be done with it

You do have a point about keep it simple. That’s the secret of the AK-47.
It is true that being locked in to buying from others is a cost trap.

on the home front TAFE would be re energised instead of destroyed in many places the only courses they offer are for hair dressing and the only part time course in the evening “basic welding”

education would be free – or essentially a flat rate of repayment of 50 dollars a week if you went to university, if for whatever you couldn’t finish the uni course you shouldn’t be punished for trying – the person can be asked to attend a course that will help them in the here and now to improve job prospects.

health would be free and made efficient, new hospitals built the old ones abandoned ( the Kay outs of hospitals are terrible in most cases. more practical building materials should be used to get these kinds if buildings up quickly and for minimum cost- build large warehouses to house patients – these kinds of buildings offer max. efficiency- have nothing over one storey NO lifts – that’s expensive

wookiemeister said:

on the home front TAFE would be re energised instead of destroyed in many places the only courses they offer are for hair dressing and the only part time course in the evening “basic welding”

education would be free – or essentially a flat rate of repayment of 50 dollars a week if you went to university, if for whatever you couldn’t finish the uni course you shouldn’t be punished for trying – the person can be asked to attend a course that will help them in the here and now to improve job prospects.

health would be free and made efficient, new hospitals built the old ones abandoned ( the Kay outs of hospitals are terrible in most cases. more practical building materials should be used to get these kinds if buildings up quickly and for minimum cost- build large warehouses to house patients – these kinds of buildings offer max. efficiency- have nothing over one storey NO lifts – that’s expensive

The only country that does this is Norway. Australia allows itself to be ripped off.

do away with the service boot- soldiers would just buy their own boot and would provide the receipt to stores

everyone has different feet and should use their own time and efforts to find out a boot they can use for active service (as long as its colour is suitable )

when entering office you agree under hefty fines to never have private health cover

this makes sure you never destroy the public health system

when Kevin Rudd fell ill he went into a private hospital – this would never be allowed in the new system

politicians would need to provide for health or ultimately be killed by it later if they destroyed it whilst in office or decades later whilst out of office

wookiemeister said:

AwesomeO said:

Wookie is a solutions guy, I am wondering if he was PM what he would do to the defence forces?

build an Australian service rifle based on the AK47 with a British army SA80 sight

have a paratrooper and marines regiment

have two sets of dress on army bases- camouflage for battle and field activities , have plain green dress for base ; it creates the psychological division between the two activities the mind isn’t continually in battle mode nor is it in base mode on the battlefield for real.

build Australian made nightvision goggles – lighter, smaller – not to be sold to anyone else or given to other countries

build a mobile ICBM system with conventional warheads these missiles should be able to strike naval targets if necessary

build smaller subs with less crew
type 1 : coastal defence – sub hunter / ship hunter
type 2: ICBM missile carrier

or just buy American nuclear subs

buy F16s and be done with it

We have a parachute regiment, 3 RAR, the sky flogs. Buying nuclear subs would be great but politically impossible. Building two different sorts of sub along with the Mobile ICBM is a capability beyond us, both technologically and financially, let alone the difficulties of targeting a ship with an ICBM, which is why most countries go for planes carrying missiles. Or a sub.

Your stuff is as usual Dan Dare fantasy stuff that is nice to daydream about but as PM you need to actually draw a realistic map toward stuff that is possible, both politically, financially and technologically and with an eye toward the capability you desire and against what strategic objectives.

they would have done well to buy the typhoon instead of the F35

Stand down everyone;

“A Rio Tinto executive is working with Treasury to determine Australia’s response to international profit shifting at the same time the mining giant is in dispute with the Tax Office over its aggressive tax planning in Singapore.

Michael Potajko, a senior executive in Rio Tinto’s tax arm, has been working for Treasury on secondment since 2013, at Rio’s expense.

Mr Potajko’s former title was Specialist, Tax Risk Management, for the Asia Pacific region for Rio Tinto, a role which is likely to have involved working on Rio’s Singapore marketing hub structure.”

A large multi national is working in the gubmint, our tax and budgetary situation will be fixed very shortly…

poikilotherm said:

Stand down everyone;

“A Rio Tinto executive is working with Treasury to determine Australia’s response to international profit shifting at the same time the mining giant is in dispute with the Tax Office over its aggressive tax planning in Singapore.

Michael Potajko, a senior executive in Rio Tinto’s tax arm, has been working for Treasury on secondment since 2013, at Rio’s expense.

Mr Potajko’s former title was Specialist, Tax Risk Management, for the Asia Pacific region for Rio Tinto, a role which is likely to have involved working on Rio’s Singapore marketing hub structure.”

A large multi national is working in the gubmint, our tax and budgetary situation will be fixed very shortly…

LOL
I read the full article in the AFR.

They (AFR editorial) refer to Mr. Potajko (senior executive of Rio Tinto) as…
working ‘with’ the Treasury, working ‘for’ the Treasury and as a ‘treasury representative’ in direct contact with ATO officers…….lol….reeeeally.

The Australian Financial Review revealed on Tuesday that Rio has reported more than $US3.6 billion in profits from its Singapore marketing hub in the six years from 2008 to 2013, on which it has paid less than 5 per cent tax…..
…As Rio Tinto’s auditor PwC advised on the complex company structure that the mining group set up in Singapore….

Meanwhile, plebs like myself enjoy an income tax of 15% on SIGNIFICANTLY less than $3.6 billion over the last 6 years.
The fact that Mr. Potajko has to sign a ‘detailed non-disclosure agreement’ means squat, because in his position at Rio, he wouldn’t need to ‘disclose’ any information, he just needs to use the information he is now privvy to, to make better corporate taxation decisions for Rio.

smh

you could harness the retired to shoot feral cats etc.

• you could harness the retired to shoot feral cats etc.

You think they may try to escape if you don’t tie them in place?

poikilotherm said:

stan101 said:

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Two that come to mind instantly:

Cleaning wheely bins.
Cleaning fly screens.

Both the very definition of a bullshit job

Poik, I’m unsure on what you are saying. Can you elaborate?

Are you suggesting that lazy people just sit on their arse with their hands out to get government subsidy?

I’d certainly would have paid $15 to get my wheely bin cleaned when I was working 70 hours a week in Australia. That was a no brainer. And I’m not Robinson Crusoe there. Likewise with cleaning fly screens.

A person with a bit of initiative could work at building a client base for 12 months, then franchising that area off and starting again in another region etc.

If you think that is a bullshit job, look at the models such as Jim’s franchises (mowing, cleaning, antennas), Hire A Hubby to just name two.

Too many people in Australia have it far too easy to get hand outs. Leave the social security for people who need it, the sick and the elderly. Every other bum should get off their arse and do a bit.

Or do you disagree?

roughbarked said:

I’ve been there done that at registering a small business but I’d first ask anyone spouting this stuff to have a go at it yourself before you order others to. How much would you pay to have the exclusive service of the best bin cleaner or screen washer? More than you’d pay to shine your shoes? Get real man and create real jobs.

Sure, if thongs cost a weeks wages you may pay me sixpence to repair them from a wheelbarrow on the side of the road.

Have done exactly that, Rough. What made you think I haven’t? My first business was a fly screen cleaning business to help me pay my way through study. It did it quite nicely, too. It wasn’t glamorous. But it was a hell of a lot better than putting my hand out for government funding.

There is a whole class of people in Australia who are cashed up but time poor who gladly pay for such services. There are house cleaners, dog washers, dog walkers, maid services, ironing services. Are you saying such businesses aren’t viable? Aren’t a great learning process to run a business?

Are you saying that someone earning $100 – $150, or $200 dollars an hour will forgo their chance of earning to wash their stinking wheelie bin? To pay $20-$30 for someone else to do it is a no brainer.

poikilotherm said:

yep, it’s all the peoples fault. politicians are doing a fantastic job…

No dispite the fact the country is run in a flawed manner, one must fight on regardless. There will always be winners and losers. There is great opportunity in Australia for all able bodied people to be varying degrees of winners. Some people just seem to think hard work is below them and it easier to whinge and moan and pick up handouts and them whinge and moan that the government is run by a pack of dickheads and that they should deserve increased handouts beacuse Australia is so shitty in the jobs market.

poikilotherm said:

Both the very definition of a bullshit job

But they are still real jobs. Rewarding and satisfying; much more that being a leech on society.

personally i would prefer my taxes paid these people than have an underclass of people doing menial tasks like the US and Asia have. create real jobs i say. have apprenticeships, remember those, and traineeships. i have never resented my taxes being spent on welfare. i much prefer a society that isn’t littered with people trying to scrounge a living.

much more that being a leech on society.

fuck off stan they are fucking human beings.

>personally i would prefer my taxes paid these people than have an underclass of people doing menial tasks like the US and Asia have. create real jobs i say. have apprenticeships, remember those, and traineeships. i have never resented my taxes being spent on welfare. i much prefer a society that isn’t littered with people trying to scrounge a living.

half-way there with that class consciousness

Boris said:

much more that being a leech on society.

fuck off stan they are fucking human beings.

I see some pretty poor examples of human beings when firefighting. Sitting inside drinking beer & watching TV while we are outside stopping their house from burning.

Boris said:

much more that being a leech on society.

fuck off stan they are fucking human beings.

So you are happy for the bum who has never worked a day in their life, sitting around and happily taking from societies coffers but offering nothing to society? Okay, that’s not leeching at all. My mistake. I’ll get well fucked, Boris.

Tamb said:

Boris said:

much more that being a leech on society.

fuck off stan they are fucking human beings.

I see some pretty poor examples of human beings when firefighting. Sitting inside drinking beer & watching TV while we are outside stopping their house from burning.

Well you can fuck off, too with that comment, Tamb ;)

stan101 said:

Tamb said:

Boris said:

much more that being a leech on society.

fuck off stan they are fucking human beings.

I see some pretty poor examples of human beings when firefighting. Sitting inside drinking beer & watching TV while we are outside stopping their house from burning.

Well you can fuck off, too with that comment, Tamb ;)

Stan. If you don’t like the truth then maybe you could use more logic & less emotion

• So you are happy for the bum who has never worked a day in their life, sitting around and happily taking from societies coffers but offering nothing to society?

That sentence adequately describes every person ever who received welfare payments. Such insight…

and what use would they be outside? are they trained firefighters? or would they be more of a danger to themselves if they “helped”? maybe you should be thankful they keep out of your road and let you do your job.

furious said:

• So you are happy for the bum who has never worked a day in their life, sitting around and happily taking from societies coffers but offering nothing to society?

That sentence adequately describes every person ever who received welfare payments. Such insight…

Clearly you did not read my previous posts. Nice cherry picking there. I openly encouraged in the sick and elderly and otherwise underprivledged to receive much needed welfare. But you can be fucked quoting that part of my posts can you?

Hypocritical!

So you are happy for the bum who has never worked a day in their life, sitting around and happily taking from societies coffers but offering nothing to society?

it doesn’t worry me that’s for sure. $260 a week is a small price to pay to someone to do that. i see you don’t have a view on the present senate inquiry into the level of tax paid, or rather not paid, by some very large corporations. they are ripping you off by billions.

• But you can be fucked quoting that part of my posts can you?

Its hard to multi quote on this device so I thought I’d quote the quote I was addressing…

Boris said:

So you are happy for the bum who has never worked a day in their life, sitting around and happily taking from societies coffers but offering nothing to society?

it doesn’t worry me that’s for sure. $260 a week is a small price to pay to someone to do that. i see you don’t have a view on the present senate inquiry into the level of tax paid, or rather not paid, by some very large corporations. they are ripping you off by billions.

i dont see a problem with taxes being used to support a welfare system.
I do think it could use some more restrictions on it though..

>i dont see a problem with taxes being used to support a welfare system.

yeah it gets spent somewhere, helps keep everything working well, and keeps life somewhat more orderly

Boris said:

i see you don’t have a view on the present senate inquiry into the level of tax paid, or rather not paid, by some very large corporations. they are ripping you off by billions.

I do have a stance on offshore tax minimisation. However based on the $260 comment you too have only cherry picked a smattering of my posts. And from your initial fuck off comment, I wasn’t sure you were up to a debate on the matter.

I do think it could use some more restrictions on it though..

i think worthwhile work for the dole schemes that actually led to a proper job would be good.
i think the service providers that help you look for work could be scrutinised better and not allowed to “park” clients.
i think the rate could be increased so that those receiving them can afford to travel outside their area more easily.
i think we could stop blaming them.

i would rather pay benefits than have to pay for more police and courts. works out cheaper too.

stan101 said:

poikilotherm said:

stan101 said:

.

Two that come to mind instantly:

Cleaning wheely bins.
Cleaning fly screens.

Both the very definition of a bullshit job

Poik, I’m unsure on what you are saying. Can you elaborate?

Are you suggesting that lazy people just sit on their arse with their hands out to get government subsidy?

I’d certainly would have paid $15 to get my wheely bin cleaned when I was working 70 hours a week in Australia. That was a no brainer. And I’m not Robinson Crusoe there. Likewise with cleaning fly screens.

A person with a bit of initiative could work at building a client base for 12 months, then franchising that area off and starting again in another region etc.

If you think that is a bullshit job, look at the models such as Jim’s franchises (mowing, cleaning, antennas), Hire A Hubby to just name two.

Too many people in Australia have it far too easy to get hand outs. Leave the social security for people who need it, the sick and the elderly. Every other bum should get off their arse and do a bit.

Or do you disagree?

Overly simplistic is overly simplistic.

Boris said:

i think we could stop blaming them.

sucks air through teeth

That would be un-Australian!

Boris said:

I do think it could use some more restrictions on it though..

i think worthwhile work for the dole schemes that actually led to a proper job would be good.
i think the service providers that help you look for work could be scrutinised better and not allowed to “park” clients.
i think the rate could be increased so that those receiving them can afford to travel outside their area more easily.
i think we could stop blaming them.

there just aren’t that many jobs out there for when they finish work for the dole.
The only emloment service providers supply is to their own staff.
I myself don’t think the rate should be increased. I don’t know how many people you know that are on the dole, but the ones I do aren’t doing it tough.. that’s for sure.

poikilotherm said:

stan101 said:

poikilotherm said:

Both the very definition of a bullshit job

Poik, I’m unsure on what you are saying. Can you elaborate?

Are you suggesting that lazy people just sit on their arse with their hands out to get government subsidy?

I’d certainly would have paid $15 to get my wheely bin cleaned when I was working 70 hours a week in Australia. That was a no brainer. And I’m not Robinson Crusoe there. Likewise with cleaning fly screens.

A person with a bit of initiative could work at building a client base for 12 months, then franchising that area off and starting again in another region etc.

If you think that is a bullshit job, look at the models such as Jim’s franchises (mowing, cleaning, antennas), Hire A Hubby to just name two.

Too many people in Australia have it far too easy to get hand outs. Leave the social security for people who need it, the sick and the elderly. Every other bum should get off their arse and do a bit.

Or do you disagree?

Overly simplistic is overly simplistic.

It was never meant to be an opus. It was one example for Roughbarked who suggested that it was simply not possible. It is possible and has been done.

More chery picking.. You are all class today.

and yet we import people on 457 visas, so how isn’t there enough work? or is it that corporations just haven’t bothered with training?

That would be un-Australian!

yeah, always someone elses fault why i ain’t rich and famous.

I wanna be rich and famous
I wanna be just the same as
The stars that shine on the Christmas tree
Aha, aha

Sensational Alex Harvey Band – Sergeant Fury

Boris said:

and yet we import people on 457 visas, so how isn’t there enough work? or is it that corporations just haven’t bothered with training?

well there’s the first solution.. put a hold on 457 visas until the unemployment rate in australia is zero

stumpy_seahorse said:

Boris said:

and yet we import people on 457 visas, so how isn’t there enough work? or is it that corporations just haven’t bothered with training?

well there’s the first solution.. put a hold on 457 visas until the unemployment rate in australia is zero

There will always be a age of unemployable people. Some economists place it at about 1.5 to 2

i understand that we need some 457 workers who do specialist work but maybe for every x number then x number of trainees need to be taken onboard.

unemployment will never be zero. imagine the wage claims if that happened.

;-)

stan101 said:

roughbarked said:

I’ve been there done that at registering a small business but I’d first ask anyone spouting this stuff to have a go at it yourself before you order others to. How much would you pay to have the exclusive service of the best bin cleaner or screen washer? More than you’d pay to shine your shoes? Get real man and create real jobs.

Sure, if thongs cost a weeks wages you may pay me sixpence to repair them from a wheelbarrow on the side of the road.

Have done exactly that, Rough. What made you think I haven’t? My first business was a fly screen cleaning business to help me pay my way through study. It did it quite nicely, too. It wasn’t glamorous. But it was a hell of a lot better than putting my hand out for government funding.

There is a whole class of people in Australia who are cashed up but time poor who gladly pay for such services. There are house cleaners, dog washers, dog walkers, maid services, ironing services. Are you saying such businesses aren’t viable? Aren’t a great learning process to run a business?

Are you saying that someone earning $100 – $150, or $200 dollars an hour will forgo their chance of earning to wash their stinking wheelie bin? To pay $20-$30 for someone else to do it is a no brainer.

If I got every bin along that street I could get 200 to 300 per hour depending on set up time at each bin and the distance apart. Of course this wouldn’t be as easy as it sounds unless they lined the bins up in a row and took their own bins home.

Boris said:

and yet we import people on 457 visas, so how isn’t there enough work? or is it that corporations just haven’t bothered with training?

rollseyes

Come now, Boris, do you really expect that people can be trained in these highly skilled fields? Here I’ve shown just some of the skills that are required for a 457 – as if you could train an Australian in the majority of these fields!

Automotive Electrician
Motor Mechanic (General)
Diesel Motor Mechanic
Motorcycle Mechanic
Small Engine Mechanic
Sheetmetal Trades Worker
Metal Fabricator
Pressure Welder
Welder (First Class)
Fitter (General)
Fitter and Turner
Fitter-Welder
Metal Machinist (First Class)
Locksmith
Bricklayer
Stonemason
Carpenter and Joiner
Carpenter
Joiner
Painting trades workers
Glazier
Fibrous Plasterer
Solid Plasterer
Wall and Floor Tiler
Plumber (General)
Airconditioning and Mechanical Services Plumber
Drainer
Gasfitter
Roof plumber
Electrician (General)
Electrician (Special Class)
Lift Mechanic
Airconditioning and Refrigeration Mechanic
Electrical Linesworker
Technical Cable Jointer
Electronic Equipment Trades Worker
Electronic Instrument Trades Worker (General)
Electronic Instrument Trades Worker (Special Class)
Chef***
Boat Builder and Repairer
Shipwright
Dental Hygienist
Dental Prosthetist
Dental Technician
Dental Therapist
Chief Executive or Managing Director
Corporate General Manager
Defence Force Senior Officer
Aquaculture Farmer
Cotton Grower
Flower Grower
Fruit or Nut Grower
Grain, Oilseed or Pasture Grower (Aus) / Field Crop Grower (NZ)
Grape Grower
Mixed Crop Farmer
Sugar Cane Grower
Turf Grower
Vegetable Grower (Aus) / Market Gardener (NZ)
Crop Farmers nec
Apiarist
Beef Cattle Farmer
Dairy Cattle Farmer
Deer Farmer
Goat Farmer
Horse Breeder
Mixed Livestock Farmer
Pig Farmer
Poultry Farmer
Sheep Farmer
Livestock Farmers nec
Mixed Crop and Livestock Farmer
Sales and Marketing Manager
Advertising Manager
Public Relations Manager
Corporate Services Manager
Finance Manager
Human Resource Manager
Policy and Planning Manager
Research and Development Manager
Importer or Exporter
Wholesaler
Manufacturer
Production Manager (Forestry)
Production Manager (Manufacturing)
Supply and Distribution  Manager
Procurement Manager
Health and Welfare Services Managers nec

Boris said:

personally i would prefer my taxes paid these people than have an underclass of people doing menial tasks like the US and Asia have. create real jobs i say. have apprenticeships, remember those, and traineeships. i have never resented my taxes being spent on welfare. i much prefer a society that isn’t littered with people trying to scrounge a living.

Hear hear.

Boris said:

and yet we import people on 457 visas, so how isn’t there enough work? or is it that corporations just haven’t bothered with training?

Someones doing the naughty with the 457s. We really don’t need them.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/rort-fears-as-457-visa-loophole-reopened-20140311-34kgr.html

Ask the bear how easy it is to get an IT job in Aus…he only had to move interstate.

ah sarcasm…

poikilotherm said:

ah sarcasm…

Yes. If you have a look at what is allowed in under a 457 there is basically nothing that isn’t allowed in. It’s fucking madness.

sibeen said:

poikilotherm said:

ah sarcasm…

Yes. If you have a look at what is allowed in under a 457 there is basically nothing that isn’t allowed in. It’s fucking madness.

plutocracy FTW.

Boris said:

I do think it could use some more restrictions on it though..

i think worthwhile work for the dole schemes that actually led to a proper job would be good.
i think the service providers that help you look for work could be scrutinised better and not allowed to “park” clients.
i think the rate could be increased so that those receiving them can afford to travel outside their area more easily.
i think we could stop blaming them.

In my part of the world, the irrigation canals were dug by people living in houses made of hessian.

Then they used work for the dole schemes in the depression years to concrete them. Sure that lasted decades but the application of the concrete was inferior and fell apart causing hundreds of millions of megalitres to simply leak out and cause salinity damage.

Doing a job properly in the first place would have saved the 60 million it took to fix just a few kilometres of such work.

roughbarked said:

stan101 said:

roughbarked said:

I’ve been there done that at registering a small business but I’d first ask anyone spouting this stuff to have a go at it yourself before you order others to. How much would you pay to have the exclusive service of the best bin cleaner or screen washer? More than you’d pay to shine your shoes? Get real man and create real jobs.

Sure, if thongs cost a weeks wages you may pay me sixpence to repair them from a wheelbarrow on the side of the road.

Have done exactly that, Rough. What made you think I haven’t? My first business was a fly screen cleaning business to help me pay my way through study. It did it quite nicely, too. It wasn’t glamorous. But it was a hell of a lot better than putting my hand out for government funding.

There is a whole class of people in Australia who are cashed up but time poor who gladly pay for such services. There are house cleaners, dog washers, dog walkers, maid services, ironing services. Are you saying such businesses aren’t viable? Aren’t a great learning process to run a business?

Are you saying that someone earning $100 – $150, or $200 dollars an hour will forgo their chance of earning to wash their stinking wheelie bin? To pay $20-$30 for someone else to do it is a no brainer.

If I got every bin along that street I could get 200 to 300 per hour depending on set up time at each bin and the distance apart. Of course this wouldn’t be as easy as it sounds unless they lined the bins up in a row and took their own bins home.

You could go round immediately after the bin truck so the empty bins would be neatly lined up on the side of the road.

Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

stan101 said:

Have done exactly that, Rough. What made you think I haven’t? My first business was a fly screen cleaning business to help me pay my way through study. It did it quite nicely, too. It wasn’t glamorous. But it was a hell of a lot better than putting my hand out for government funding.

There is a whole class of people in Australia who are cashed up but time poor who gladly pay for such services. There are house cleaners, dog washers, dog walkers, maid services, ironing services. Are you saying such businesses aren’t viable? Aren’t a great learning process to run a business?

Are you saying that someone earning $100 – $150, or $200 dollars an hour will forgo their chance of earning to wash their stinking wheelie bin? To pay $20-$30 for someone else to do it is a no brainer.

If I got every bin along that street I could get 200 to 300 per hour depending on set up time at each bin and the distance apart. Of course this wouldn’t be as easy as it sounds unless they lined the bins up in a row and took their own bins home.

You could go round immediately after the bin truck so the empty bins would be neatly lined up on the side of the road.

And I have to get the water, where?

sibeen said:

poikilotherm said:

ah sarcasm…

Yes. If you have a look at what is allowed in under a 457 there is basically nothing that isn’t allowed in. It’s fucking madness.

Ban overseas call centres.

roughbarked said:

Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

If I got every bin along that street I could get 200 to 300 per hour depending on set up time at each bin and the distance apart. Of course this wouldn’t be as easy as it sounds unless they lined the bins up in a row and took their own bins home.

You could go round immediately after the bin truck so the empty bins would be neatly lined up on the side of the road.

And I have to get the water, where?

Our old Landcruiser firetruck has 500 litres & a pump on it.

roughbarked said:

stan101 said:

roughbarked said:

I’ve been there done that at registering a small business but I’d first ask anyone spouting this stuff to have a go at it yourself before you order others to. How much would you pay to have the exclusive service of the best bin cleaner or screen washer? More than you’d pay to shine your shoes? Get real man and create real jobs.

Sure, if thongs cost a weeks wages you may pay me sixpence to repair them from a wheelbarrow on the side of the road.

Have done exactly that, Rough. What made you think I haven’t? My first business was a fly screen cleaning business to help me pay my way through study. It did it quite nicely, too. It wasn’t glamorous. But it was a hell of a lot better than putting my hand out for government funding.

There is a whole class of people in Australia who are cashed up but time poor who gladly pay for such services. There are house cleaners, dog washers, dog walkers, maid services, ironing services. Are you saying such businesses aren’t viable? Aren’t a great learning process to run a business?

Are you saying that someone earning $100 – $150, or $200 dollars an hour will forgo their chance of earning to wash their stinking wheelie bin? To pay $20-$30 for someone else to do it is a no brainer.

If I got every bin along that street I could get 200 to 300 per hour depending on set up time at each bin and the distance apart. Of course this wouldn’t be as easy as it sounds unless they lined the bins up in a row and took their own bins home.

5 minutes/bin is a bit optimistic…

Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

Tamb said:

You could go round immediately after the bin truck so the empty bins would be neatly lined up on the side of the road.

And I have to get the water, where?

Our old Landcruiser firetruck has 500 litres & a pump on it.

Have you estimated how many litres per bin?

plus you have to get between clients. and you’d need some gear. and you’d need a vehicle that looked half decent. plus you need to advertise.

stumpy_seahorse said:

5 minutes/bin is a bit optimistic…

I’m allowed a bit of sarcasm surely.

roughbarked said:

Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

And I have to get the water, where?

Our old Landcruiser firetruck has 500 litres & a pump on it.

Have you estimated how many litres per bin?

If you used a high pressure Gurney I would think not many.

Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

Tamb said:

Our old Landcruiser firetruck has 500 litres & a pump on it.

Have you estimated how many litres per bin?

If you used a high pressure Gurney I would think not many.

Tell me, what do you plug the Gurney into?

roughbarked said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

5 minutes/bin is a bit optimistic…

I’m allowed a bit of sarcasm surely.

you could do with a dictionary… look up the meaning of sarcasm…

• If you used a high pressure Gurney I would think not many.

High pressure gurneys, land cruisers with 500l water tanks… You’re going to have to save up a lot of the dole to start this business…

Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

Tamb said:

Our old Landcruiser firetruck has 500 litres & a pump on it.

Have you estimated how many litres per bin?

If you used a high pressure Gurney I would think not many.

Anyway, we need a vehicle capable of towing at least a tonne, the water tank and trailer some soert of pressure pump. The costs are mounting.

furious said:

• If you used a high pressure Gurney I would think not many.

High pressure gurneys, land cruisers with 500l water tanks… You’re going to have to save up a lot of the dole to start this business…

@ $260 a week, who is paying the rent and the food bills?

Starting a new business is a lot more complicated these days, which is directly attributable to rules and regulations, stemming from the Taxation Office, Local Councils and Industry Regulations. These might be worth going through if you are starting a reasonable sized business with capital investment. However, most new businesses fail, therefore sole operators would rather start small and work-up, unfortunately with the legal obstacles that need to be overcome, it is often too complicated or impossible to implement. It is just the way our society is constructed and governed.

I would go as far to say that starting a small business in an undeveloped country and making a success of it, is far easier than trying to do the same thing in Australia.

roughbarked said:

Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

Have you estimated how many litres per bin?

If you used a high pressure Gurney I would think not many.

Tell me, what do you plug the Gurney into?

Petrol powered.

Tamb said:

roughbarked said:

Tamb said:

If you used a high pressure Gurney I would think not many.

Tell me, what do you plug the Gurney into?

Petrol powered.

Fair enough, more expense. Then there is the price of the water used. The downtime going and refilling the tank. There is also the regulations about polluting council drains. I’m sure there would be a management fee on that license.

roughbarked said:

furious said:

• If you used a high pressure Gurney I would think not many.

High pressure gurneys, land cruisers with 500l water tanks… You’re going to have to save up a lot of the dole to start this business…

@ $260 a week, who is paying the rent and the food bills?

$260/week doesn’t include rent assistance

stumpy_seahorse said:

roughbarked said:

furious said:

• If you used a high pressure Gurney I would think not many.

High pressure gurneys, land cruisers with 500l water tanks… You’re going to have to save up a lot of the dole to start this business…

@ $260 a week, who is paying the rent and the food bills?

$260/week doesn’t include rent assistance

Granted but rent assistance isn’t huge.

Anyway Mal Frasers words are immortalised, “life wasn’t meant to be easy”.

We all thoought that was a bit rich coming from him at the time.

roughbarked said:

Anyway Mal Frasers words are immortalised, “life wasn’t meant to be easy”.

We all thoought that was a bit rich coming from him at the time.

what about that saying

Life is what you make it?

roughbarked said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

roughbarked said:

@ $260 a week, who is paying the rent and the food bills?

$260/week doesn’t include rent assistance

Granted but rent assistance isn’t huge.

if i was on centrelink, they’d pay me $500/week.
more than enough for rent food and saving up to take over the world

CrazyNeutrino said:

roughbarked said:

Anyway Mal Frasers words are immortalised, “life wasn’t meant to be easy”.

We all thoought that was a bit rich coming from him at the time.

what about that saying

Life is what you make it?

“What we do during our working hours determines what we have; what we do during our leisure hours determines what we are. “ – George Eastman

stumpy_seahorse said:

roughbarked said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

$260/week doesn’t include rent assistance

Granted but rent assistance isn’t huge.

if i was on centrelink, they’d pay me $500/week.
more than enough for rent food and saving up to take over the world

Yes but others here would like the breakdown of why you got that much. Is it a disability pension?

roughbarked said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

roughbarked said:

Anyway Mal Frasers words are immortalised, “life wasn’t meant to be easy”.

We all thoought that was a bit rich coming from him at the time.

what about that saying

Life is what you make it?

“What we do during our working hours determines what we have; what we do during our leisure hours determines what we are. “ – George Eastman

conformist by working hours, non conformist after hours?

roughbarked said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

roughbarked said:

Granted but rent assistance isn’t huge.

if i was on centrelink, they’d pay me $500/week.
more than enough for rent food and saving up to take over the world

Yes but others here would like the breakdown of why you got that much. Is it a disability pension?

i didnt get that much, i got DSP for 3 months after I lost my leg, i think that was about $300/week.
I ut my details into centrelinks calculator mid last year and that was the value it gave me that i was entitled to.

CrazyNeutrino said:

roughbarked said:

Anyway Mal Frasers words are immortalised, “life wasn’t meant to be easy”.

We all thoought that was a bit rich coming from him at the time.

what about that saying

Life is what you make it?

or what other people make it

stumpy_seahorse said:

roughbarked said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

if i was on centrelink, they’d pay me $500/week.
more than enough for rent food and saving up to take over the world

Yes but others here would like the breakdown of why you got that much. Is it a disability pension?

i didnt get that much, i got DSP for 3 months after I lost my leg, i think that was about $300/week.
I ut my details into centrelinks calculator mid last year and that was the value it gave me that i was entitled to.

OK.

wookiemeister said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

roughbarked said:

Anyway Mal Frasers words are immortalised, “life wasn’t meant to be easy”.

We all thoought that was a bit rich coming from him at the time.

what about that saying

Life is what you make it?

or what other people make it

I suppose the question here is. Do people have the circumstance, the wherewithal to make life the way the’d like it?

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

what about that saying

Life is what you make it?

or what other people make it

I suppose the question here is. Do people have the circumstance, the wherewithal to make life the way the’d like it?

Or at least a close approximation.

The reason people are employed on 457s isn’t because there aren’t suitably skilled Australians, but because the suitably skilled Australians don’t want to work in those jobs.

“What we do during our working hours determines what we have; what we do during our leisure hours determines what we are. “ – George Eastman

The thing is, unemployed people aren’t considered to have (or deserve?) leisure hours…who thinks of unemployed people as only being unemployed Monday to Friday between nine and five?

Unemployment is a 24/7, 7 days a week stigma.

no australian wants any of these jobs?

http://www.careerjet.com.au/457-visa-jobs.html

Boris said:

no australian wants any of these jobs?

http://www.careerjet.com.au/457-visa-jobs.html

Like I said, the jobs that 457s are recruited into tend to be jobs that people don’t want to do…

one year when i was going over to melb to see the family my service provider told me i would have to get permission from c’link.

diddly-squat said:

The reason people are employed on 457s isn’t because there aren’t suitably skilled Australians, but because the suitably skilled Australians don’t want to work in those jobs.

lulz.

what skilled jobs are they?

poikilotherm said:

diddly-squat said:

The reason people are employed on 457s isn’t because there aren’t suitably skilled Australians, but because the suitably skilled Australians don’t want to work in those jobs.

lulz.

I’m not sure I understand..

diddly-squat said:

poikilotherm said:

diddly-squat said:

The reason people are employed on 457s isn’t because there aren’t suitably skilled Australians, but because the suitably skilled Australians don’t want to work in those jobs.

lulz.

I’m not sure I understand..

heh, clearly.

I’m not sure I understand..

lol. same old shit diddly. get a new record that one is worn out.

Boris said:

one year when i was going over to melb to see the family my service provider told me i would have to get permission from c’link.

Permission to travel to Melbourne or permission not to attend whatever attendances you were required for? If the latter, welcome to the world of the working who likewise need permission not to attend.

permission to just go.

it was christmas for 10 days. no appointments with either party. shit they were closed for most of them anyway.

Boris said:

permission to just go.

Still not clear, permission to travel? Or permission not to attend appointments? I cannot see how they would even know where you are going so I am guessing you are talking about permission not to attend appointments.

Boris said:

it was christmas for 10 days. no appointments with either party. shit they were closed for most of them anyway.

So why tell them? Just get up and go. Why did you even ask?

i didn’t ask. i told my service provider that i would be in melb over christmas if they needed to get in touch with me. he told me i would need permission from c’link to travel to melb.

i laughed at him.

the purpose of unploymemt is to keep wages down , the inflation rate down and protect the wealth of those already on the top of the food chain.

this is concessions are made to the rich keeping them on top, they create “ trusts” and use other loop holes to pay little to nothing.

a very rude person. yawning during the meetings. tapping the desk. looking around as if bored. playing with elastic bands.

Boris said:

i laughed at him.

I reckon I would as well. Sounds Soviet having to tell the government where you are and permission to travel. Unless of course you are on parole or something. Give them a mobile number.

Thinking about it, did he tell you to get permission from your service provider or just tell you that instead of telling them you should tell your service provider? That sounds to me a bit more realistic.

part of the ‘conditions”. never know when a job will appear and you have to be there to go for it.

;-)

the service provider are the people helping you find work. you see them on a regular basis. he worked for them.

you are supposed to tell c’link of any travel plans apparently.

Boris said:

the service provider are the people helping you find work. you see them on a regular basis. he worked for them.

Sounds to me that you didnt need permission to go to Melbourne which is dead dodgy, it was instead, they just wanted you to tell them where you are in case a job comes up.

One is sinister and draconian, the other is entirely reasonable.

Boris said:

you are supposed to tell c’link of any travel plans apparently.

Tell is miles different from asking permission.

you have to tell c’link of any travel plans so they can asses whether it is a holiday or looking for work and whether your service provider is ok with it. c’link has the final say in whether it is ok or not. seeing it was for a holiday they, c’link, could have said no.

so yes they do give you permission. or not.

If the Federal government had put a decent tax on mining

we would not have to have any of these other intrusive taxes into our bank accounts

one day there will be nothing but companies running the world

and companies going to war

CrazyNeutrino said:

one day there will be nothing but companies running the world

and companies going to war

BURGER WARZZZZZ!

PermeateFree said:

Starting a new business is a lot more complicated these days, which is directly attributable to rules and regulations, stemming from the Taxation Office, Local Councils and Industry Regulations. These might be worth going through if you are starting a reasonable sized business with capital investment. However, most new businesses fail, therefore sole operators would rather start small and work-up, unfortunately with the legal obstacles that need to be overcome, it is often too complicated or impossible to implement. It is just the way our society is constructed and governed.

I would go as far to say that starting a small business in an undeveloped country and making a success of it, is far easier than trying to do the same thing in Australia.

I’m calling shenanigans right now on regulations being a hinderance..
Here is a breakdown to start a new service business like bin washing.

Register an ABN – free
Register a business name for 3 years $ 76
Web site hosting a domain with a .com and .com.au suffix – $144
Telephone and monthly allowance – $200 for phone and $30 per month for net and phone.
Scourer, buckets, gloves, apron, bio degradeable detergents, and air freshener agent. – $100
Transport – could be a simple as a bicycle or moped – $150 to $1500
business cards -$50
Sagety signage $50

Using a brain and enthusiasm make appointments with all body corp and on site managers in the local region. Discuss the benefits of offering a clean bin service on the day of rubbish pick up.

Upsides. Unit and office complexes that use wheely style bins and not lidded skip varieties invariably have stinking bins.
Unit and office complexes have fire hydrants and / or designated vehicle washing areas with adequate drainage.
If public liability is a concern, it can be managed with safety signs while cleaning is in progress or covered under the current body corp PLI.

Offer the site manager a spotter’s fee of a bottle of spirits, red wine, 2kg prawns or whatever for any lead that lands you a new client of certain turnover.

rinse and repeat for 12 months. Sell of franchise and do it all again in the next area.

Roughbarked there are those who whinge and make excuses on ‘how am I going to get water there to the one street in australia that would pay for such a service’ or there are those that see opportunity.

One example of many.

stan101 said:

PermeateFree said:

Starting a new business is a lot more complicated these days, which is directly attributable to rules and regulations, stemming from the Taxation Office, Local Councils and Industry Regulations. These might be worth going through if you are starting a reasonable sized business with capital investment. However, most new businesses fail, therefore sole operators would rather start small and work-up, unfortunately with the legal obstacles that need to be overcome, it is often too complicated or impossible to implement. It is just the way our society is constructed and governed.

I would go as far to say that starting a small business in an undeveloped country and making a success of it, is far easier than trying to do the same thing in Australia.

I’m calling shenanigans right now on regulations being a hinderance..
Here is a breakdown to start a new service business like bin washing.

Register an ABN – free
Register a business name for 3 years $ 76
Web site hosting a domain with a .com and .com.au suffix – $144
Telephone and monthly allowance – $200 for phone and $30 per month for net and phone.
Scourer, buckets, gloves, apron, bio degradeable detergents, and air freshener agent. – $100
Transport – could be a simple as a bicycle or moped – $150 to $1500
business cards -$50
Sagety signage $50

Using a brain and enthusiasm make appointments with all body corp and on site managers in the local region. Discuss the benefits of offering a clean bin service on the day of rubbish pick up.

Upsides. Unit and office complexes that use wheely style bins and not lidded skip varieties invariably have stinking bins.
Unit and office complexes have fire hydrants and / or designated vehicle washing areas with adequate drainage.
If public liability is a concern, it can be managed with safety signs while cleaning is in progress or covered under the current body corp PLI.

Offer the site manager a spotter’s fee of a bottle of spirits, red wine, 2kg prawns or whatever for any lead that lands you a new client of certain turnover.

rinse and repeat for 12 months. Sell of franchise and do it all again in the next area.

Roughbarked there are those who whinge and make excuses on ‘how am I going to get water there to the one street in australia that would pay for such a service’ or there are those that see opportunity.

One example of many.

Wouldn’t bin liners be cheaper?

bit ‘o humour never hurt.

;-)

Morning punters and correctors, a bobby dazzler of a day in the Pearl of the South Specific.

Boris said:

bit ‘o humour never hurt.

;-)

Yeah, we can only laugh at our misfortune. Nothing else will do.

when someone needs training to help them find new work the government needs to step up and help them get trained

forklift licences, truck licences, TAFE courses that they can take

someone who becomes unemployed should be immediately sent back to TAFE to help them “up skill” or re skill to find new work. the money invested into them becomes a fraction of what they get back in taxes- it keeps them off the streets and chances are meet new people that they can network with.

wookiemeister said:

when someone needs training to help them find new work the government needs to step up and help them get trained

forklift licences, truck licences, TAFE courses that they can take

someone who becomes unemployed should be immediately sent back to TAFE to help them “up skill” or re skill to find new work. the money invested into them becomes a fraction of what they get back in taxes- it keeps them off the streets and chances are meet new people that they can network with.

If they aren’t paying tax then the idea falls down. Otherwise it is one of your better pieces.

wookiemeister said:

when someone needs training to help them find new work the government needs to step up and help them get trained

forklift licences, truck licences, TAFE courses that they can take

someone who becomes unemployed should be immediately sent back to TAFE to help them “up skill” or re skill to find new work. the money invested into them becomes a fraction of what they get back in taxes- it keeps them off the streets and chances are meet new people that they can network with.

Blimey!!!

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

when someone needs training to help them find new work the government needs to step up and help them get trained

forklift licences, truck licences, TAFE courses that they can take

someone who becomes unemployed should be immediately sent back to TAFE to help them “up skill” or re skill to find new work. the money invested into them becomes a fraction of what they get back in taxes- it keeps them off the streets and chances are meet new people that they can network with.

If they aren’t paying tax then the idea falls down. Otherwise it is one of your better pieces.

I subscribe to the full employment economic principle – the cost to society and the treasury are worse than deliberately running people

one thing I would explore would be a system if housing where the land is FREE , you can’t sell either but you can live there for as long as you like

this frees up income to buy products, under take new education, volunteer etc

we are being killed by this system of creating debt

by freeing up the population from wasting time making banks rich we could make massive leaps in society

slowly removing cigarettes would be a good step

only allow cigarettes to be bought by existing smokers

with no new smokers in the population the price of cigarettes can actually come down I stead of going up because we won’t be taking as much burden if patients in the future

all taxes from cigarettes goes into a fund to pay for smokers to receive hospital treatment from the illness they will ultimately cause themselves.

taxes from cigarettes needs to go straight to the people dying from them

Boris said:

I’m not sure I understand..

lol. same old shit diddly. get a new record that one is worn out.

Yet still I remain in the dark as to exactly what you mean?? I find it easier to understand conversations when people clearly articulate their position.

You see IME people employed under 457s tend to be prepared to work in roles that others aren’t. Again, IME, this tends to be related to work in remote locations.

I have an American engineer working for me, and he is on a 457. We advertised both domestically and internationally and he was by far the best applicant.

The other point that is worth noting is that employing people under 457s tend to cost employers more in terms of employment oncosts.

diddly-squat said:

Boris said:

I’m not sure I understand..

lol. same old shit diddly. get a new record that one is worn out.

You see IME

well, that’s settled then…

poikilotherm said:

diddly-squat said:

Boris said:

I’m not sure I understand..

lol. same old shit diddly. get a new record that one is worn out.

You see IME

well, that’s settled then…

Shrugs…

Surely it’s better to talk of your experiences than it is to just speak out of your arse…

diddly-squat said:

poikilotherm said:

diddly-squat said:

You see IME

well, that’s settled then…

Shrugs…

Surely it’s better to talk of your experiences than it is to just speak out of your arse…

need a pat?

poikilotherm said:

diddly-squat said:

poikilotherm said:

well, that’s settled then…

Shrugs…

Surely it’s better to talk of your experiences than it is to just speak out of your arse…

need a pat?

What do you mean?

poikilotherm said:

diddly-squat said:

poikilotherm said:

well, that’s settled then…

Shrugs…

Surely it’s better to talk of your experiences than it is to just speak out of your arse…

need a pat?

Christ, surely there’s enough Irish in the country already.