Date: 11/04/2015 01:21:54
From: transition
ID: 706649
Subject: temporal spook, happened unhappened happened

Wife’n little ol’ be havin’ a conversation ‘bout the possibility that the conversation we just had’n‘re havin’ was never had’n how the realities of what’n when we do things now’n into the future is changed from both havin’ had the conversation’n considerin’ the alternate reality that would be now of having not had it all. There’re also the possible realities of havin’ had any number of different conversations, instead of the one we had or the not havin’ one at all. And there’re the realities of thinking about that, or those possibilities.

This sort of stuff is one of the joys of consciousness.

And like she said she “…could have gone to bed earlier” and many things would be different.

If carryin’ ‘round possible different realities (even if just the order things happen is changed, or knowledge of the possibilities), then I suppose ‘objectives’ bring us around to getting things done anyhow. Still we carry what might have been (different) ‘round with us, and consideration of this influences what individuals physically do.

There’s got to be limits to what is economical, or even sane, to consider such things, some territory that might be explored that’d have one far away from home’n start to envy the less conscious or unconscious. Or maybe this abstract thing is in-great-part the home of consciousness.

There must even be very low-probability events’n broader possible realities that a lot of more certain every day stuff goes into making certain stay low-probability, things that haven’t happened, still that they haven’t happened strongly influences what has, does’n will happen.

So, am I right that all or many of the things that have never happened influence what is happening, and is this just some product of consciousness/awareness, or is it more generalizable to some spooky dimension of the universe minus human consciousness.

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Date: 11/04/2015 08:13:58
From: AwesomeO
ID: 706664
Subject: re: temporal spook, happened unhappened happened

transition said:

So, am I right that all or many of the things that have never happened influence what is happening, and is this just some product of consciousness/awareness, or is it more generalizable to some spooky dimension of the universe minus human consciousness.

Maybe I am not getting where you are coming from, stuff that never happens definately influences what is happening and doesn’t require spooky dimensions or human consciousness. But at the same time you don’t know what never happened to influence events.

A comet never hit the earth last night.

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Date: 11/04/2015 08:31:53
From: wookiemeister
ID: 706666
Subject: re: temporal spook, happened unhappened happened

something happened last night then unhappened but we’ll never know

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Date: 11/04/2015 10:37:58
From: transition
ID: 706754
Subject: re: temporal spook, happened unhappened happened

>>….stuff that never happens definately influences what is happening”

how do you characterize the relationship between the unhappened(past) that contributes to the unhappening(present), other than probabilities that changed…

are there unhappening realities (possibilities, existing, changed, and some dissolved) about this reality, and does this reality require the unhappened and unhappening to exist in a disconnected elsewhere.

is that disconnected elsewhere entirely disconnected and elsewhere when it is considered or anticipated, meaning this reality is unfolding along with and connected with a lot or possibly infinite number of other realities, but for this here reality to exist no physical connections with the other realities can exist.

is the abstract consideration of the unhappened and unhappening unique to conscious creatures?

or is there some computational backdrop, a divergent multiverse of possible realities.

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Date: 15/04/2015 10:50:07
From: Soso
ID: 708504
Subject: re: temporal spook, happened unhappened happened

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Date: 15/04/2015 12:20:27
From: transition
ID: 708554
Subject: re: temporal spook, happened unhappened happened

>https://www.youtube.com/embed/3QsNXd57Ppw?

alright movie that one

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_universe_hypothesis

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