Date: 25/04/2015 19:00:34
From: bob(from black rock)
ID: 713485
Subject: Lest we forget.
I think we owe them that.
Date: 27/04/2015 22:09:41
From: JudgeMental
ID: 714489
Subject: re: Lest we forget.
I think we owe them that.
Aye.
Thanks…
I’m hovering a helicopter over this thread right now
Saluté to the fallen.
All battles and wars are fought over resources using religion and/or local politics as cover, and yes the religion and local politics are real
Do we have soldiers who died fighting to get other countries resources?
And in saying that, does that make me into a “this” or “that” for having a different opinion, or does it make me an into a asshat or a fuckwit for seeing war for what it really is, which is a species that is fighting itself over the planets available resources for financial gain and seeing the planets resources as their property!
no, you’re a fuckwit cos you don’t understand what ANZAC day is about.
I don’t buy into ANZAC day
I don’t buy into ANZAC day
JudgeMental said:
no, you’re a fuckwit cos you don’t understand what ANZAC day is about.
yep.
wookiemeister said:
I don’t buy into ANZAC day
You don’t have too. But only fuckwits talk about disrupting or wishing ill of groups of people who once a year gather to peaceably mourn the memory of fallen soldiers and contemplate the terrible nature of war.
That’s what makes crazy a fuckwit.
JudgeMental said:
no, you’re a fuckwit cos you don’t understand what ANZAC day is about.
Now, now, Boris; we can’t have this go on. I thought I’d already agreed with you on an occasion earlier this year.
JudgeMental said:
no, you’re a fuckwit cos you don’t understand what ANZAC day is about.
All battles and wars are fought over resources
AwesomeO said:
JudgeMental said:
no, you’re a fuckwit cos you don’t understand what ANZAC day is about.
yep.
All battles and wars are fought over resources
sibeen said:
JudgeMental said:
no, you’re a fuckwit cos you don’t understand what ANZAC day is about.
Now, now, Boris; we can’t have this go on. I thought I’d already agreed with you on an occasion earlier this year.
All battles and wars are fought over resources
AwesomeO said:
wookiemeister said:
I don’t buy into ANZAC day
You don’t have too. But only fuckwits talk about disrupting or wishing ill of groups of people who once a year gather to peaceably mourn the memory of fallen soldiers and contemplate the terrible nature of war.
That’s what makes crazy a fuckwit.
there are some people want to commemorate the dead of past wars by attending the ceremonies
personally the whole situation of previous wars is something i dwell on , on a regular basis, a particular day isn’t necessary for me
i do object to the ongoing obscene fetish of “sacrifice” and blindly obeying orders, the managers like that idea, its why they push it so heavily
All battles and wars are fought over resources
and I dont need to call anyone using slang names
CrazyNeutrino said:
JudgeMental said:
no, you’re a fuckwit cos you don’t understand what ANZAC day is about.
All battles and wars are fought over resources
Wellll durrrrrr. That’s not a revelation to anyone. You can add ideology and battles of ideas to that as well. But that you are stupid enough to think it is a newsflash speaks more to your addled idiocy than anything.
AwesomeO said:
CrazyNeutrino said:
JudgeMental said:
no, you’re a fuckwit cos you don’t understand what ANZAC day is about.
All battles and wars are fought over resources
Wellll durrrrrr. That’s not a revelation to anyone. You can add ideology and battles of ideas to that as well. But that you are stupid enough to think it is a newsflash speaks more to your addled idiocy than anything.
derr to you
Global Fight for Natural Resources ‘Has Only Just Begun’
The global battle for natural resources — from food and water to energy and precious metals — is only beginning, and will intensify to proportions that could mean enormous upheavals for every country, leading academics and business figures told a conference in Oxford on Thursday.
Sir David King, former chief scientific adviser to the United Kingdom’s (UK) government, who convened the two-day Resource 2012 conference, told the Guardian: “We are nowhere near realising the full impact of this yet. We have seen the first indications — rising food prices, pressure on water supplies, a land grab by some countries for mining rights and fertile agricultural land, and rising prices for energy and for key resources metals. But we need to do far more to deal with these problems before they become even more acute, and we are not doing enough yet.”
Countries that are not prepared for this rapid change will soon — perhaps irrevocably — lose out, with serious damage to their economies and way of life, the conference was told.
Amartya Sen, a Nobel prize-winning economist, said that the free market would not necessarily provide the best solution to sharing out the world’s resources. Governments would need to step in, he said, to ensure that people had access to the basics of life, and that the interests of businesses and the financial markets did not win out over more fundamental human needs.
Sen has played a key role as an academic in showing how the way resources are distributed can impact famine and surplus more than the actual amount of resources, that are available, particularly food.
Nobel prize-winning economist Amartya Sen thinks governments will need to step in to ensure that the interests of businesses and the financial markets did not win out over more fundamental human needs.more…
still don’t get it do you CN?
CrazyNeutrino said:
AwesomeO said:
CrazyNeutrino said:All battles and wars are fought over resources
Wellll durrrrrr. That’s not a revelation to anyone. You can add ideology and battles of ideas to that as well. But that you are stupid enough to think it is a newsflash speaks more to your addled idiocy than anything.
derr to you
Global Fight for Natural Resources ‘Has Only Just Begun’
The global battle for natural resources — from food and water to energy and precious metals — is only beginning, and will intensify to proportions that could mean enormous upheavals for every country, leading academics and business figures told a conference in Oxford on Thursday.
Sir David King, former chief scientific adviser to the United Kingdom’s (UK) government, who convened the two-day Resource 2012 conference, told the Guardian: “We are nowhere near realising the full impact of this yet. We have seen the first indications — rising food prices, pressure on water supplies, a land grab by some countries for mining rights and fertile agricultural land, and rising prices for energy and for key resources metals. But we need to do far more to deal with these problems before they become even more acute, and we are not doing enough yet.”
Countries that are not prepared for this rapid change will soon — perhaps irrevocably — lose out, with serious damage to their economies and way of life, the conference was told.
Amartya Sen, a Nobel prize-winning economist, said that the free market would not necessarily provide the best solution to sharing out the world’s resources. Governments would need to step in, he said, to ensure that people had access to the basics of life, and that the interests of businesses and the financial markets did not win out over more fundamental human needs.
Sen has played a key role as an academic in showing how the way resources are distributed can impact famine and surplus more than the actual amount of resources, that are available, particularly food.
Nobel prize-winning economist Amartya Sen thinks governments will need to step in to ensure that the interests of businesses and the financial markets did not win out over more fundamental human needs.more…
Again, for fuckwits to attempt to understand, it is a day for people to gather, think about dead soldiers, sacrifice, and the folly of war.
I have no objection to you attempting to disrupt that activity and to denigrate it, but I reserve the right to call you a fuckwit for doing so.
few wars are attended by royalty or government ministers any more – the exception being perhaps the british royal family
in western terms its been this disconnect from order and administration of order that’s caused the problem
government ministers aren’t fighting in these wars they are starting
there needs to be a lottery where government ministers can be sent to front line positions to see for themselves what is going on
if they commit troops to war it should be natural that the prime minister if he doesn’t get picked by lottery or by popular vote be sent to the front when his term comes to a close (assuming the war is still going). howard for example would have been sent to Afghanistan and perhaps have died a heros death instead of power walking around the streets of Sydney
anyone in government who votes for war must in my opinion be sent to the front line at the end of their term on office
CrazyNeutrino said:
AwesomeO said:
CrazyNeutrino said:All battles and wars are fought over resources
Wellll durrrrrr. That’s not a revelation to anyone. You can add ideology and battles of ideas to that as well. But that you are stupid enough to think it is a newsflash speaks more to your addled idiocy than anything.
derr to you
Global Fight for Natural Resources ‘Has Only Just Begun’
The global battle for natural resources — from food and water to energy and precious metals — is only beginning, and will intensify to proportions that could mean enormous upheavals for every country, leading academics and business figures told a conference in Oxford on Thursday.
Sir David King, former chief scientific adviser to the United Kingdom’s (UK) government, who convened the two-day Resource 2012 conference, told the Guardian: “We are nowhere near realising the full impact of this yet. We have seen the first indications — rising food prices, pressure on water supplies, a land grab by some countries for mining rights and fertile agricultural land, and rising prices for energy and for key resources metals. But we need to do far more to deal with these problems before they become even more acute, and we are not doing enough yet.”
Countries that are not prepared for this rapid change will soon — perhaps irrevocably — lose out, with serious damage to their economies and way of life, the conference was told.
Amartya Sen, a Nobel prize-winning economist, said that the free market would not necessarily provide the best solution to sharing out the world’s resources. Governments would need to step in, he said, to ensure that people had access to the basics of life, and that the interests of businesses and the financial markets did not win out over more fundamental human needs.
Sen has played a key role as an academic in showing how the way resources are distributed can impact famine and surplus more than the actual amount of resources, that are available, particularly food.
Nobel prize-winning economist Amartya Sen thinks governments will need to step in to ensure that the interests of businesses and the financial markets did not win out over more fundamental human needs.more…
Wellll durrrrrr. . .
That’s not a revelation to anyone, Correct No its not new, and a lot of other people know that it is a warfare over resources
You can add ideology and battles of ideas to that as well – I did
But that you are stupid (no) enough to think (Yes) it is a newsflash (No) speaks more to your addled idiocy(NO) than anything. (?)
JudgeMental said:
still don’t get it do you CN?
Its the other way round some here just don’t get it
JudgeMental said:
still don’t get it do you CN?
sending men towards machine guns in WW1 was a very stupid idea
nah cn, seen enough of you “arguments” to know you are usually ignorant of the topic.
wookie doesn’t get it either. but that is usual.
i’m a foreigner and i get it.
CrazyNeutrino said:
JudgeMental said:
still don’t get it do you CN?
Its the other way round some here just don’t get it
What part of a gathering to remember the dead and contemplate the folly of war do you object to that you want it to be disrupted?
CrazyNeutrino said:
All battles and wars are fought over resources
actually, it’s religion that has been the cause of many more wars than resources…
Australia would do well to develop some cheap anti tank weapon to stave off any land invasion by an army
add to that some land launched sea skimming system that can be easily deployable to stop any landing craft invasion (you create a blizzard of these things to take down the landing craft and damage the mother ships. shoulder launched should be considered
you need a plan that doesn’t involve drawing a Brisbane line, you need to create a situation of multiple ambush sites and a ongoing action to harass a larger army
perhaps buried drones that pop up and rake vehicle columns would be an excellent idea – armies will normally follow roads
AwesomeO said:
CrazyNeutrino said:
AwesomeO said:Wellll durrrrrr. That’s not a revelation to anyone. You can add ideology and battles of ideas to that as well. But that you are stupid enough to think it is a newsflash speaks more to your addled idiocy than anything.
derr to you
Global Fight for Natural Resources ‘Has Only Just Begun’
The global battle for natural resources — from food and water to energy and precious metals — is only beginning, and will intensify to proportions that could mean enormous upheavals for every country, leading academics and business figures told a conference in Oxford on Thursday.
Sir David King, former chief scientific adviser to the United Kingdom’s (UK) government, who convened the two-day Resource 2012 conference, told the Guardian: “We are nowhere near realising the full impact of this yet. We have seen the first indications — rising food prices, pressure on water supplies, a land grab by some countries for mining rights and fertile agricultural land, and rising prices for energy and for key resources metals. But we need to do far more to deal with these problems before they become even more acute, and we are not doing enough yet.”
Countries that are not prepared for this rapid change will soon — perhaps irrevocably — lose out, with serious damage to their economies and way of life, the conference was told.
Amartya Sen, a Nobel prize-winning economist, said that the free market would not necessarily provide the best solution to sharing out the world’s resources. Governments would need to step in, he said, to ensure that people had access to the basics of life, and that the interests of businesses and the financial markets did not win out over more fundamental human needs.
Sen has played a key role as an academic in showing how the way resources are distributed can impact famine and surplus more than the actual amount of resources, that are available, particularly food.
Nobel prize-winning economist Amartya Sen thinks governments will need to step in to ensure that the interests of businesses and the financial markets did not win out over more fundamental human needs.more…
Again, for fuckwits to attempt to understand, it is a day for people to gather, think about dead soldiers, sacrifice, and the folly of war.
I have no objection to you attempting to disrupt that activity and to denigrate it, but I reserve the right to call you a fuckwit for doing so.
and again I dont need to call anyone names
I dont need to get emotional’
and I cannot care less what you call me
the human species is a vicious species that attacks other species including itself and fights over all available resources that are anywhere on the planet, including resources that exist in the south and north pole regions
JudgeMental said:
nah cn, seen enough of you “arguments” to know you are usually ignorant of the topic.
You cannot accept the truth
its really you who is ignorant on the topic
that all wars are fought over resources
JudgeMental said:
wookie doesn’t get it either. but that is usual.
By the end of the day, 20,000 British soldiers were dead and 40,000 wounded.
Except for its effect of diverting German troops from the Battle of Verdun, the offensive was a miserable disaster. It amounted to a total gain of just 125 square miles for the Allies, with more than 600,000 British and French soldiers killed, wounded, or missing in the action. German casualties were more than 650,000. Although Haig was severely criticized for the costly battle, his willingness to commit massive amounts of men and resources to the stalemate along the Western Front did eventually contribute to the collapse of an exhausted Germany in 1918.
http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/battle-of-the-somme-begins
so the best idea they had was a war of attrition?
oh i get it
JudgeMental said:
wookie doesn’t get it either. but that is usual.
neither do you
as usual
JudgeMental said:
i’m a foreigner and i get it.
Do you?
I dont think so
Knob gobbler…
you are both still not getting it. keep going, sooner or later there will be nothing else but for you to come to the actual reason behind ANZAC day.
the secret to resisting an invasion is “make them bleed”
harass the invading force day and night
wound them rather than kill, this clogs up resources and saps morale
in the face of a large invasion force – don’t take prisoners – wound them and hand them back to the invading force – they will curse you for it
AwesomeO said:
CrazyNeutrino said:
JudgeMental said:
still don’t get it do you CN?
Its the other way round some here just don’t get it
What part of a gathering to remember the dead and contemplate the folly of war do you object to that you want it to be disrupted?
if all battles and wars are fought over resources
then tell me why do peoples go to them?
the wars are over oil and other resources
so what gets said to these people that go to them
we thank them for stealing other countries resources so we can have it
is that it?
CrazyNeutrino said:
and again I dont need to call anyone names
I dont need to get emotional’
and I cannot care less what you call me
the human species is a vicious species that attacks other species including itself and fights over all available resources that are anywhere on the planet, including resources that exist in the south and north pole region
You are yet to explain why your not so profound thoughts entitle you to disrupt a peaceful assembly who wish to remember dead soldiers and contemplate the nature of war?
JudgeMental said:
you are both still not getting it. keep going, sooner or later there will be nothing else but for you to come to the actual reason behind ANZAC day.
which is that it is a war over resources
JUST LIKE ANY OTHER WAR
You’ve got no idea…
CrazyNeutrino said:
AwesomeO said:
CrazyNeutrino said:Its the other way round some here just don’t get it
What part of a gathering to remember the dead and contemplate the folly of war do you object to that you want it to be disrupted?
if all battles and wars are fought over resources
then tell me why do peoples go to them?
the wars are over oil and other resources
so what gets said to these people that go to them
we thank them for stealing other countries resources so we can have it
is that it?
Hehehe, nope, that’s not it. And you have still not answered the question.
JudgeMental said:
you are both still not getting it. keep going, sooner or later there will be nothing else but for you to come to the actual reason behind ANZAC day.
WE ARE FIGHTING WARS TO GET OTHER COUNTRIES RESOURCES
THAT MAKES ME FEEL REALLY GREAT
CN is on one of his rolls by the looks. wont get much sense from him now. dozens of posts with puerile comments.
you could always attack the roads i suppose in areas where the foreign army is based and has established a foot hold
there are more than a few places in Australia where leaving the tarmac is a massive mistake unless you are in a proper 4WD vehicle or tracked vehicle
on the plains of QLD any enemy column trundling along would be easily seen for miles and countered
JudgeMental said:
CN is on one of his rolls by the looks. wont get much sense from him now. dozens of posts with puerile comments.
TAKE A LOOK AT YOURSELF JUDGMENTAL
CrazyNeutrino said:
JudgeMental said:
you are both still not getting it. keep going, sooner or later there will be nothing else but for you to come to the actual reason behind ANZAC day.
WE ARE FIGHTING WARS TO GET OTHER COUNTRIES RESOURCES
THAT MAKES ME FEEL REALLY GREAT
Whooohooooo, caps lock brain fart. You broke your brain more than it already is.
You’re still an idiot…
A song we might like…
Pink Floyd’s reflection on war
‘Forward’ he cried from the rear
And the front rank died.
The general is sat and the lines on the map
Move from side to side.
Black and blue
And who knows which is which and who is who.
Up and down
And in the end it’s only round and round. And round.
‘Haven’t you heard it’s a battle of words’
The poster bearer cried.
‘Listen son’ said the man with the gun,
‘There’s room for you inside.’
“Well I mean, they’re gonna kill ya, so like, if you give ‘em a quick sh…short, sharp shock, they don’t do it again. Dig it? I mean he got off light, ‘cause I coulda given ‘im a thrashin’ but I only hit him once. It’s only the difference between right and wrong innit? I mean good manners don’t cost nothing do they, eh?”
Down and out
It can’t be helped but there’s a lot of it about.
With, without.
And who’ll deny it’s what the fighting’s all about?
Out of the way, it’s a busy day
I’ve got things on my mind.
For want of the price of tea and a slice
The old man died.
Songwriters: ROGER WATERS, RICK WRIGHT
furious said:
- TAKE A LOOK AT YOURSELF JUDGMENTAL
You’re still an idiot…
No, I’m fine, thank you.
Today, March 29th, should be a significant and melancholy date in the English calendar, known and marked by all schoolchildren. For on Palm Sunday, March 29th 1461, as church bells rang out across the land, two vast armies met on a bleak, snow-swept Yorkshire plateau near the village of Towton to fight what was to be our country’s biggest, bloodiest and longest battle.
When it comes to superlatives, Towton has them all. Even England’s other epochal, history-changing clashes, Hastings in 1066 and the Somme in 1916, for example, cannot challenge Towton for the butcher’s bill of the slain. Hastings was a battle that changed the ethnic, political, and linguistic culture of the land forever, and lasted across an autumn day until dark. Yet neither the numbers that fought there (7/8,000 on each side) nor the casualties inflicted, approach anywhere near the later medieval battle. The first day on the Somme, July 1st 1916, when almost 20,000 died, is generally seen as Britain’s greatest military disaster, cutting the flower of the nation down like summer corn. Yet Towton trumped even that bloody day in carnage and sheer savagery. As the Civil War battle of Antietam, America’s bloodiest single day, is to the US, so Towton is to England. Why, then, is it not better remembered?
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2122067/Towton-worst-battle-forgotten-bloodbath-snow.html#ixzz3YKLJEYUG
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambyses_II#The_lost_army_of_Cambyses
The lost army of Cambyses
The lost army of Cambyses II according to a 19th-century engraving
According to Herodotus 3.26, Cambyses sent an army to threaten the Oracle of Amun at the Siwa Oasis. The army of 50,000 men was halfway across the desert when a massive sandstorm sprang up, burying them all. Although many Egyptologists regard the story as a myth, people have searched for the remains of the soldiers for many years. These have included Count László Almásy (on whom the novel The English Patient was based), and modern geologist Tom Brown. In January 1933, Orde Wingate searched unsuccessfully for the Lost Army of Cambyses in Egypt’s Western Desert, then known as the Libyan Desert.
Asshat…
furious said:
- No, I’m fine, thank you.
Asshat…
No, I’m fine.
thanks
Forgetting seems easier for most.
https://www.awm.gov.au/commemoration/anzac/anzac-tradition/
Technically, the guff was just that.
“In 1916, Anzac Day was held on 25 April for the first time.” So we should be having the real centenary, next year.
after lasts nights discussion
I respect fallen soldiers
if the war was won or lost
or if the war was right or wrong
The Final Sequence (Oh What a Lovely War)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RJCSMG1yTE
CrazyNeutrino said:
after lasts nights discussionI respect fallen soldiers
if the war was won or lost
or if the war was right or wrong
You keep saying you do, but if this commemoration is of any value to just one person who has served our country during times of war, then you don’t.
ANZAC Day does not condone war. Quite the contrary.
Fittingly, it is held on the anniversary of a horribly failed campaign, so if this doesn’t drive the message home (”War is bad, okay.”), nothing will.
No, we don’t like that it has become politicised. No, we don’t like that it has become commercialised.
We don’t like war. Any war. Any reason.
But these are not excuses to discount ANZAC Day ceremonies, or even worse, to disrupt them.
Speedy said:
CrazyNeutrino said:
after lasts nights discussionI respect fallen soldiers
if the war was won or lost
or if the war was right or wrong
You keep saying you do, but if this commemoration is of any value to just one person who has served our country during times of war, then you don’t.
ANZAC Day does not condone war. Quite the contrary.
Fittingly, it is held on the anniversary of a horribly failed campaign, so if this doesn’t drive the message home (”War is bad, okay.”), nothing will.
No, we don’t like that it has become politicised. No, we don’t like that it has become commercialised.
We don’t like war. Any war. Any reason.
But these are not excuses to discount ANZAC Day ceremonies, or even worse, to disrupt them.
I second these sentiments.
It’s the day we celebrate 100 years of failed Middle East interventions.
Soso said:
It’s the day we celebrate 100 years of failed Middle East interventions.
Technically we were invading a part of Europe.
No point in looking at it through old eyes, you need to look at it through the eyes of an 18 year old, a grand adventure.
bob(from black rock) said:
Speedy said:
CrazyNeutrino said:
after lasts nights discussionI respect fallen soldiers
if the war was won or lost
or if the war was right or wrong
You keep saying you do, but if this commemoration is of any value to just one person who has served our country during times of war, then you don’t.
ANZAC Day does not condone war. Quite the contrary.
Fittingly, it is held on the anniversary of a horribly failed campaign, so if this doesn’t drive the message home (”War is bad, okay.”), nothing will.
No, we don’t like that it has become politicised. No, we don’t like that it has become commercialised.
We don’t like war. Any war. Any reason.
But these are not excuses to discount ANZAC Day ceremonies, or even worse, to disrupt them.
I second these sentiments.
>>>You keep saying you do, but if this commemoration is of any value to just one person who has served our country during times of war, then you don’t.
one person? who?
Do you think one person can tell a giant war machine to go home?
what value?
“then you dont”, no its want you want it to be, isnt it.
I’ve said I respect fallen soldiers, if the war was won or lost, or if the war was right or wrong
Wars are fought over resources using religion and politics as cover, the religion and politics is also real
If wars are fought over resources then these wars are clearly ethically wrong, there is no such thing as a happy war, people get killed, murdered, tortured, raped, abused, emotionally hurt
and I see patterns in a lot of these wars, resources changing ownership, death, minorities effecting majorities
Do I see ethical conflict in our military fighting wars over resources, Yes I do, but I cannot stop it
Our military helps people in natural disasters
Our military gets deployed by a few people in control in government, not from a vote from everyone
If If everyone voted to go to war, my vote to fight over resources would be no
I think war graves should be left alone and those killed left in peace
War is Ugly and depressing no matter how you look at it.
Peak Warming Man said:
No point in looking at it through old eyes, you need to look at it through the eyes of an 18 year old, a grand adventure.
anyone with a bit of a taste for adventure would have gone.
my problem with Gallipoli was its disastrous planning and execution leading to thousands of unnecessary deaths
the should have never gone there, troy on the other side of the water would have given the allies the necessary advantage against the Turkish army, leading to a much shorter campaign and cutting off a huge piece of tax revenue of the ottoman empire
the plains of troy give a much better landing spot
in antiquity troy became rich as it was a natural mooring point for ships
it has a wide flat plane that would allow an entire army to set up and begin manoeuvres from, the main road would take those troops north or south very quickly, artillery could be moved into place quickly and easily and the battleship off the coast provide much more effective cover as any enemy would be exposed to their guns.
troy could have then been used as an observation post to watch for Turkish movements in the nearby town of cannakale
CrazyNeutrino said:
I’ve said I respect fallen soldiers, if the war was won or lost, or if the war was right or wrong
Do you also respect those soldiers who have returned from war?
What about members of their families and/or friends who have suffered as a consequence of war?
Speedy said:
CrazyNeutrino said:
I’ve said I respect fallen soldiers, if the war was won or lost, or if the war was right or wrong
Do you also respect those soldiers who have returned from war?
What about members of their families and/or friends who have suffered as a consequence of war?
Speedy said:
ANZAC Day does not condone war. Quite the contrary.
Fittingly, it is held on the anniversary of a horribly failed campaign, so if this doesn’t drive the message home (”War is bad, okay.”), nothing will.
I’m sure that This is what the words, “lest we forget” are actually there to remind us of.
roughbarked said:
Speedy said:ANZAC Day does not condone war. Quite the contrary.
Fittingly, it is held on the anniversary of a horribly failed campaign, so if this doesn’t drive the message home (”War is bad, okay.”), nothing will.
I’m sure that This is what the words, “lest we forget” are actually there to remind us of.
From what I’ve seen of the events this year in Gallipoli…it’s becoming quite tasteless.
Q&A talking about the SBS journo being sacked over the Anzac twitter.
My take is that he shouldn’t have been sacked, but I reserve the right to consider him a fuckwit.
sibeen said:
Q&A talking about the SBS journo being sacked over the Anzac twitter.My take is that he shouldn’t have been sacked, but I reserve the right to consider him a fuckwit.
Agreed. I don’t actually like silencing contrary points of view, nor do a consider fuckwittery a ban worthy offence.
He was a bit of a dill though in saying a peaceful country that was no threat etc. They were fair game when the Ottoman Empire hitched it’s fortunes to a bet on Germany.
It seems to me a bit of a problem, outrage buses are out of control. Maybe people will discipline themselves but I doubt it. For a single ill considered remark or something taken out of context, the full wieght of social outrage, and I reckon sometime faux outrage distorts a realistic assessment.
Plus it becomes a tool to deny other viewpoints from being heard.
The journo cocked up and lost his job… This isn’t an issue of free speech, of course he’s free to say what he wants, but he then must be prepared for the consequences of what he said.
The issue here is that his social media platform was based on his job as a presenter for a media outlet and because of that the comments are inextricably linked to his employer.
I’m sure he would have lost his job if he was a bureaucrat.