Date: 27/04/2015 18:07:20
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 714375
Subject: Most Useful Mathematical Constant
I’m going exponential e, I never came across it until I started learning higher maths at UTQ after high school.
It was everywhere.
Pi of course is another contender.
The square root of minus 1 is only really a mathematical get out card and is represented by a couple of letters of the alphabet depending on the discipline context.
Any other contenders of note?
Date: 27/04/2015 18:10:43
From: AwesomeO
ID: 714376
Subject: re: Most Useful Mathematical Constant
Logarithms seem to be pretty important,
Date: 27/04/2015 18:10:49
From: dv
ID: 714377
Subject: re: Most Useful Mathematical Constant
So sadsacks will tell you it is “the golden ratio”, phi, about 1.618 = 0.5+ sqrt(1.25), which pops up here and there.
But basically I am with you, e is magical.
Date: 27/04/2015 18:14:22
From: AwesomeO
ID: 714378
Subject: re: Most Useful Mathematical Constant
Peak Warming Man said:
Any other contenders of note?
Rule of 9.
Date: 27/04/2015 18:16:10
From: JudgeMental
ID: 714380
Subject: re: Most Useful Mathematical Constant
is c a physical constant or a mathematical one?
Date: 27/04/2015 18:38:55
From: sibeen
ID: 714386
Subject: re: Most Useful Mathematical Constant
JudgeMental said:
is c a physical constant or a mathematical one?
Physical.
Euler’s number gets my vote as well.
Date: 27/04/2015 18:43:38
From: sibeen
ID: 714389
Subject: re: Most Useful Mathematical Constant
The derivative of ex = ex
The Integral of ex = ex
Ya just cannot get sexier than that.
Date: 27/04/2015 18:44:36
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 714390
Subject: re: Most Useful Mathematical Constant
Just to avoid agreeing with PWM, I’m going for pi.
Date: 27/04/2015 19:45:57
From: SCIENCE
ID: 714418
Subject: re: Most Useful Mathematical Constant
Date: 27/04/2015 19:52:17
From: dv
ID: 714419
Subject: re: Most Useful Mathematical Constant
That’s just derived from e anyway.
Date: 27/04/2015 19:53:01
From: sibeen
ID: 714420
Subject: re: Most Useful Mathematical Constant
The Rev Dodgson said:
Just to avoid agreeing with PWM, I’m going for pi.
I just checked and found that:
The integral of πx = (πx)/ In(x)
The derivative of πx = πx In(x)
Bugger that, I’m sticking with ‘e’,way easier to remember.
Date: 27/04/2015 19:53:20
From: sibeen
ID: 714422
Subject: re: Most Useful Mathematical Constant
dv said:
That’s just derived from e anyway.
:)
Date: 27/04/2015 19:58:45
From: Dropbear
ID: 714423
Subject: re: Most Useful Mathematical Constant
Date: 27/04/2015 19:59:33
From: dv
ID: 714424
Subject: re: Most Useful Mathematical Constant
Dropbear said:
0
is my choice
Classic, timeless
Date: 27/04/2015 20:00:22
From: sibeen
ID: 714425
Subject: re: Most Useful Mathematical Constant
Dropbear said:
0
is my choice
→ see dv’s previous response.
Date: 27/04/2015 20:00:41
From: diddly-squat
ID: 714426
Subject: re: Most Useful Mathematical Constant
not sure it really classifies as a ‘constant’, but infinity is pretty useful
Date: 27/04/2015 20:03:38
From: diddly-squat
ID: 714429
Subject: re: Most Useful Mathematical Constant
probably a better question is what branch of mathematics is most useful…
algebra? calculus? geometry? …
Date: 27/04/2015 20:08:32
From: wookiemeister
ID: 714434
Subject: re: Most Useful Mathematical Constant
I’ve always been partial to “X”
Date: 27/04/2015 20:09:18
From: party_pants
ID: 714435
Subject: re: Most Useful Mathematical Constant
Date: 27/04/2015 20:11:21
From: diddly-squat
ID: 714437
Subject: re: Most Useful Mathematical Constant
wookiemeister said:
I’ve always been partial to “X”
as in the algebraic variable ‘x’ ??
Date: 27/04/2015 20:11:50
From: monkey skipper
ID: 714438
Subject: re: Most Useful Mathematical Constant
Not quite related but Pythagoras theorem is useful and helped with the step measuring 2 dimensional space to 3 dimensional and 4 dimensional space even though the basic formula was jiggled a little along the way. How would we have managed without pythag theorem.
Pi is important – I agree as well.
Date: 27/04/2015 20:14:03
From: party_pants
ID: 714439
Subject: re: Most Useful Mathematical Constant
diddly-squat said:
wookiemeister said:
I’ve always been partial to “X”
as in the algebraic variable ‘x’ ??
There’s nothing wrong with nominating a variable as your favourite constant :)
Date: 27/04/2015 20:15:15
From: wookiemeister
ID: 714440
Subject: re: Most Useful Mathematical Constant
diddly-squat said:
wookiemeister said:
I’ve always been partial to “X”
as in the algebraic variable ‘x’ ??
oh you know it baby
Date: 27/04/2015 20:20:08
From: monkey skipper
ID: 714442
Subject: re: Most Useful Mathematical Constant
can a repeating decimal be counted… like the expression of 1/3 and 2/3 expressed as decimals becoming infinite numbers 0.3333333 r and 0.6666666 r?
Date: 27/04/2015 20:39:14
From: sibeen
ID: 714448
Subject: re: Most Useful Mathematical Constant
diddly-squat said:
probably a better question is what branch of mathematics is most useful…
algebra? calculus? geometry? …
Probably basic arithmetic, followed by trig.
Date: 27/04/2015 20:44:16
From: monkey skipper
ID: 714451
Subject: re: Most Useful Mathematical Constant
sibeen said:
diddly-squat said:
probably a better question is what branch of mathematics is most useful…
algebra? calculus? geometry? …
Probably basic arithmetic, followed by trig.
what do you mean with basic arithmetic..?
literally the number line 0, 1,2,3,4,5,6,etc etc
and conversely
0,-1,-2,-3,-4,-5,-6 etc etc ?
Date: 27/04/2015 20:51:42
From: sibeen
ID: 714454
Subject: re: Most Useful Mathematical Constant
monkey skipper said:
sibeen said:
diddly-squat said:
probably a better question is what branch of mathematics is most useful…
algebra? calculus? geometry? …
Probably basic arithmetic, followed by trig.
what do you mean with basic arithmetic..?
literally the number line 0, 1,2,3,4,5,6,etc etc
and conversely
0,-1,-2,-3,-4,-5,-6 etc etc ?
Yeah, the Real Numbers (ℜ) and the basic arithmetic functions – + – x / etc
Date: 27/04/2015 21:01:33
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 714460
Subject: re: Most Useful Mathematical Constant
The two constants I have to deal with right now are 1/10 and 1/11.
I believe the government finds those quite useful.
Date: 27/04/2015 21:11:19
From: monkey skipper
ID: 714473
Subject: re: Most Useful Mathematical Constant
The Rev Dodgson said:
The two constants I have to deal with right now are 1/10 and 1/11.
I believe the government finds those quite useful.
GST
Date: 28/04/2015 05:57:14
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 714576
Subject: re: Most Useful Mathematical Constant
Peak Warming Man said:
I’m going exponential e, I never came across it until I started learning higher maths at UTQ after high school.
It was everywhere.
Pi of course is another contender.
The square root of minus 1 is only really a mathematical get out card and is represented by a couple of letters of the alphabet depending on the discipline context.
Any other contenders of note?
Other contenders: 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 10, sqrt(2).
Look here: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Constant.html
Pi, e and sqrt(2) are the three I use most often.
I sometimes use gamma, phi and i.
Follow on question, what are the most useful physical constants?
c and G are the two I use most often, but I also use the Stefan-Boltzmann constant sigma surprisingly often, and sometimes the molar gas constant R. I’ve never needed to use the value of h.
Date: 28/04/2015 06:23:05
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 714577
Subject: re: Most Useful Mathematical Constant
diddly-squat said:
probably a better question is what branch of mathematics is most useful…
algebra? calculus? geometry? …
Hmm, looking up the branches. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Areas_of_mathematics
Arithmetic is most useful, followed by “elementary algebra” then geometry. Perhaps probability and statistics next (including stochastic processes) then calculus.
I don’t see “graphs” listed as a branch of mathematics but the old XY plot is extremely useful.
I use “mechanics” quite a lot. My work has involved a lot of “fluid mechanics”.
I dabble in set theory, manifolds,
One the other hand, what I’ve been doing most often lately is recreational mathematics (sudoku etc.)
I’ve never considered “analysis” to be a branch of mathematics. But looking it up http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_analysis I find that I use every single part of it, including limits, infinite series, and very often “numerical analysis”. I have a patent that involves a practical application of “functional analysis”.
Note that there’s a huge difference between “elementary algebra” and “algebra”. I once went into a bookshop and said “I don’t remember the title but it’s about groups, fields and rings”. When the book was found, “topics in algebra” the assistant gave me a look I shall never forget, she was looking in the sports section.
Date: 28/04/2015 08:51:05
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 714598
Subject: re: Most Useful Mathematical Constant
mollwollfumble said:
Follow on question, what are the most useful physical constants?
c and G are the two I use most often, but I also use the Stefan-Boltzmann constant sigma surprisingly often, and sometimes the molar gas constant R. I’ve never needed to use the value of h.
I never use c or G directly, but there are many days when I use g in millions of equations (at least my computer does).
Does pi count as a physical constant when it is used in solving a physical problem?
Date: 28/04/2015 08:55:13
From: Dropbear
ID: 714600
Subject: re: Most Useful Mathematical Constant
I had it in my head somewhere that the fine structure constant determined a lot of others ..
Date: 28/04/2015 09:01:40
From: sibeen
ID: 714602
Subject: re: Most Useful Mathematical Constant
For me the big one’s are e, π, j, √2 and √3.
Date: 28/04/2015 09:02:10
From: Dropbear
ID: 714603
Subject: re: Most Useful Mathematical Constant
Date: 28/04/2015 10:17:45
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 714629
Subject: re: Most Useful Mathematical Constant
Dropbear said:
I had it in my head somewhere that the fine structure constant determined a lot of others ..
Yes. Wikipedia gives four ways to calculate the fine structure constant from other fundamental physical constants.
Date: 28/04/2015 10:22:20
From: Cymek
ID: 714632
Subject: re: Most Useful Mathematical Constant
Statistics are loved in the public service, 9 out of 10 public servants know this.
Date: 28/04/2015 10:23:31
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 714634
Subject: re: Most Useful Mathematical Constant
sibeen said:
For me the big one’s are e, π, j, √2 and √3.
Good point, but I tend to use √5 more than √3 because √5 = √1^2 + 2^2.
√5 is also very useful in the dimensions of the pentagon.
Date: 28/04/2015 10:26:04
From: Tamb
ID: 714635
Subject: re: Most Useful Mathematical Constant
mollwollfumble said:
sibeen said:
For me the big one’s are e, π, j, √2 and √3.
Good point, but I tend to use √5 more than √3 because √5 = √1^2 + 2^2.
√5 is also very useful in the dimensions of the pentagon.
Just about the only one I use is π. Volume of tanks or concrete.
Date: 28/04/2015 10:35:43
From: sibeen
ID: 714637
Subject: re: Most Useful Mathematical Constant
mollwollfumble said:
because √5 = √1^2 + 2^2.
.
BLINK
Date: 28/04/2015 10:37:08
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 714638
Subject: re: Most Useful Mathematical Constant
Test post for mathematical symbols.
∑∫πρθ→ω≠∞
Same symbols different way of writing them.
Σ∫πρθ→ω≠∞
Date: 28/04/2015 10:38:00
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 714639
Subject: re: Most Useful Mathematical Constant
Date: 28/04/2015 10:39:59
From: diddly-squat
ID: 714640
Subject: re: Most Useful Mathematical Constant
mollwollfumble said:
√5 = √(1^2 + 2^2)
one squared??
Date: 28/04/2015 10:40:46
From: sibeen
ID: 714641
Subject: re: Most Useful Mathematical Constant
diddly-squat said:
mollwollfumble said:
√5 = √(1^2 + 2^2)
one squared??
I’m sure he meant cubed :)
Date: 28/04/2015 10:43:02
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 714642
Subject: re: Most Useful Mathematical Constant
sibeen said:
diddly-squat said:
mollwollfumble said:
√5 = √(1^2 + 2^2)
one squared??
I’m sure he meant cubed :)
1^(almost infinity), probably.
But seriously, what is wrong with 1^2?
Date: 28/04/2015 10:43:38
From: diddly-squat
ID: 714643
Subject: re: Most Useful Mathematical Constant
sibeen said:
diddly-squat said:
mollwollfumble said:
√5 = √(1^2 + 2^2)
one squared??
I’m sure he meant cubed :)
of course…
smacks head
Date: 28/04/2015 10:44:25
From: diddly-squat
ID: 714644
Subject: re: Most Useful Mathematical Constant
The Rev Dodgson said:
sibeen said:
diddly-squat said:
one squared??
I’m sure he meant cubed :)
1^(almost infinity), probably.
But seriously, what is wrong with 1^2?
I prefer the simplified form… you know… 1
Date: 28/04/2015 10:48:56
From: The Rev Dodgson
ID: 714647
Subject: re: Most Useful Mathematical Constant
diddly-squat said:
I prefer the simplified form… you know… 1
I see no reason to discriminate against x^2, just because x = 1 :)
Date: 28/04/2015 10:49:24
From: btm
ID: 714648
Subject: re: Most Useful Mathematical Constant
Slightly off-topic, but
∀x∈ℝ x0=1;
∀x∈ℝ 0x=0;
So what is 00?
Date: 28/04/2015 10:53:59
From: diddly-squat
ID: 714650
Subject: re: Most Useful Mathematical Constant
The Rev Dodgson said:
diddly-squat said:
I prefer the simplified form… you know… 1
I see no reason to discriminate against x^2, just because x = 1 :)
sure… but in that instance x also equals -1
Date: 28/04/2015 10:54:48
From: sibeen
ID: 714652
Subject: re: Most Useful Mathematical Constant
btm said:
Slightly off-topic, but
∀x∈ℝ x0=1;
∀x∈ℝ 0x=0;
So what is 00?
Defined as being equal to 1.
Date: 28/04/2015 10:58:15
From: btm
ID: 714653
Subject: re: Most Useful Mathematical Constant
sibeen said:
btm said:
Slightly off-topic, but
∀x∈ℝ x0=1;
∀x∈ℝ 0x=0;
So what is 00?
Defined as being equal to 1.
That makes sense. If you graph y=xx it approaches 1 (from above.) (I’ve just done that!)
Date: 29/04/2015 22:33:32
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 715402
Subject: re: Most Useful Mathematical Constant
btm said:
Slightly off-topic, but
∀x∈ℝ x0=1;
∀x∈ℝ 0x=0;
So what is 00?
Second equation is wrong
-1∈ℝ but 0-1≠0
Date: 29/04/2015 22:47:48
From: tauto
ID: 715404
Subject: re: Most Useful Mathematical Constant
In Oz business it is 0.9090909…..when it comes to GST.