Date: 3/05/2015 07:51:11
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 717098
Subject: EM drive not dead yet ....

A group at NASA’s Johnson Space Center has successfully tested an electromagnetic (EM) propulsion drive in a vacuum – a major breakthrough for a multi-year international effort comprising several competing research teams. Thrust measurements of the EM Drive defy classical physics’ expectations that such a closed (microwave) cavity should be unusable for space propulsion because of the law of conservation of momentum.

Last summer, NASA Eagleworks – an advanced propulsion research group led by Dr. Harold “Sonny” White at the Johnson Space Center (JSC) – made waves throughout the scientific and technical communities when the group presented their test results on July 28-30, 2014, at the 50th AIAA/ASME/SAE/ASEE Joint Propulsion Conference in Cleveland, Ohio.

Those results related to experimental testing of an EM Drive – a concept that originated around 2001 when a small UK company, Satellite Propulsion Research Ltd (SPR), under Roger J. Shawyer, started a Research and Development (R&D) program.

The concept of an EM Drive as put forth by SPR was that electromagnetic microwave cavities might provide for the direct conversion of electrical energy to thrust without the need to expel any propellant.

This lack of expulsion of propellant from the drive was met with initial skepticism within the scientific community because this lack of propellant expulsion would leave nothing to balance the change in the spacecraft’s momentum if it were able to accelerate.

However, in 2010, Prof. Juan Yang in China began publishing about her research into EM Drive technology, culminating in her 2012 paper reporting higher input power (2.5kW) and tested thrust (720mN) levels of an EM Drive.

In 2014, Prof. Yang’s papers reported extensive tests involving internal temperature measurements with embedded thermocouples.

It was reported (in SPR Ltd.’s website) that if the Chinese EM Drive were to be installed in the International Space Station (ISS) and work as reported, it could provide the necessary delta-V (change in velocity needed to perform an on-orbit maneuver) to compensate for the Station’s orbital decay and thus eliminate the requirement of re-boosts from visiting vehicles. Despite these reports, Prof. Yang offered no scientifically-accepted explanation as to how the EM Drive can produce propulsion in space.

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Date: 3/05/2015 08:56:47
From: captain_spalding
ID: 717108
Subject: re: EM drive not dead yet ....

Is that the one where they bounce microwaves (produced with solar energy) around in a chamber?

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Date: 4/05/2015 01:23:44
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 717471
Subject: re: EM drive not dead yet ....

> Prof. Yang offered no scientifically-accepted explanation as to how the EM Drive can produce propulsion in space.

I was going to say that I wanted to see the equations, but now I see that there aren’t any.

Drive within the atmosphere could be because of the expulsion of hot air, or possibly even ionised air.

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Date: 4/05/2015 07:12:50
From: Spiny Norman
ID: 717478
Subject: re: EM drive not dead yet ....

mollwollfumble said:


> Prof. Yang offered no scientifically-accepted explanation as to how the EM Drive can produce propulsion in space.

I was going to say that I wanted to see the equations, but now I see that there aren’t any.

Drive within the atmosphere could be because of the expulsion of hot air, or possibly even ionised air.

It sure could. However, NASA says they have measured a small amount of thrust in a pretty good vacuum.

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