Hi,

Getting NBN connected tomorrow. Trying to figure best place for the network termination device.

If I get the NDT installed in my study, can I run one ethernet cable from one of the UNI-D ports directly in to my PC, and a second ethernet cable from the NDT to the wifi router in another room (to allow wireless connection of phone, tablet/iPad etc? Or do I need to connect from the NDT to the wifi router, and then from the wifi router to the PC with an ethernet cable?

There are 4 UNI-D ports. Can I connect one directly to PC, one directly to a latop, and one directly to the wifi router?

I need all devices to run off one Internode internet connection, and the thing I am most confuse about at the moment is whether all four of the UNI-D ports work independently on one internet connection, or whether there are four there to allow for up to 4 different internet connections for example four different internet accounts with entirely different companies.

as I remember the box on the outside is a termination box from there you reel out the fibre optic to a face plate with a connection in the house , from there a short cable hooks up to the brain, the brain also connects to the battery pack

the brain can be connected directly to multiple devices one if them being a wireless router of some kind but whatever it is it needs a modem , the brain is only a conduit as I remember

in most cases I’d say you normally just have one connection that goes straight to a wireless modem that serves the whole house

it’s normal to also put a ntd in the living room where someone might connect a laptop and also a wireless router

esselte said:

I need all devices to run off one Internode internet connection, and the thing I am most confuse about at the moment is whether all four of the UNI-D ports work independently on one internet connection, or whether there are four there to allow for up to 4 different internet connections for example four different internet accounts with entirely different companies.

I’m pretty sure only one of the UNI-D ports gets activated for the internet connection. You’ll need to run everything through your wifi router still.

Thanks Wookie.

The way I’m understanding the literature is as follows.

From the street a cable has been run through my old Telstra conduit to a box on the outside wall of my house. This box on the outside is called the Premises Connection Device.

Tomorrow someone will come and run a cable from the PCD to the inside of the house. They will install the Network Termination Device (which is what I think you are calling “the brain”) and the Power Suply Unit in a place of my choosing inside the house, and connect the PCD and the PSU to the NTD.

I then need to connect the NTD to the wi-fi router. I can then connect my phone, tablet, desktop computer etc wirelessly to the wi-fi router.

I would like the wi-fi router to be located centrally in the house, let’s say in the Family Room. I would prefer not to have the NTD and the PSU in the family room as they look to be big and ugly. At the moment I’m thinking I will get the PSU and the NTD installed in the master bedroom. The PCD is located on the outside wall of the master bedroom.

Now, I’m happy to have the phone, tablet etc work wireless, but as it never moves I would prefer to connect the desktop computer to the internet with a cable/wire.

With the NTD in the master bedroom, I will need to run a long cable from the NTD in the master bedroom to the router in the family room. I will then need to run another long cable from the family room to the study to connect the router to the desktop computer. I am wondering if it is worthwhile having the NTD installed in the study instead of the master bedroom, as I could then possibly connect the NTD directly to the desktop computer with one short cable, and connect the NTD in the study to the router in the family room with a long cable. So the advantage here would be one short cable and one long cable, rather than two long cables.

To me this would seem to be an obvious and elegant way to set it up. Problem is, what I’m reading on the ‘net is that despite the NTD having four ports to connect to, only one of those ports is going to be active. Which means even if I did put the NTD in the study next to the desktop computer, I would still need to run a long cable from the NTD to the router in the family room, and then a second long cable from the family room back to the study to connect the computer up. So, back to two long cables rather than one long one and one short one, which makes it pointless to move the NTD from the master bedroom to the study in the first place.

esselte said:

Thanks Wookie.

that won’t end well.

cb88 said:

I’m pretty sure only one of the UNI-D ports gets activated for the internet connection. You’ll need to run everything through your wifi router still.

Aye, I think you are correct.

Is two long ethernet cables (one from master bedroom NTD to family room router, and a second from family room router to desktop computer in the study) going to slow down the internet speed available to my desktop computer much? Would I be better having the NTD installed near the desktop computer, running a short cable from NTD to router and a short cable from router to computer and just living with whatever problems this causes for the wifi signal strength throughout the rest of the house. Or is none of it really an issue. The aim is to get the desktop computer going as fast as possible on the internet.

esselte said:

Is two long ethernet cables (one from master bedroom NTD to family room router, and a second from family room router to desktop computer in the study) going to slow down the internet speed available to my desktop computer much?

Not at all – there wouldn’t be any speed difference.

Your other option would be to get another router to install next to the NTD and the desktop, and then just run a long cable from that to the family room for the wifi.

cb88 said:

Not at all – there wouldn’t be any speed difference.

Oh, OK then. I was just assuming that the ethernet cables were going to be the weak point speed-wise, as everything up-line (down-line?) of them is fibre optic cable. And also assuming that the longer the ethernet cable the worse it would be.

I think I will just stick with the original plan then – NTD in the master bedroom, long ethernet to the router in the family room, long ethernet from the router to the desktop in the study.

Probably shouldn’t have left this research ‘till the night before installation. I’m a terrible procrastinator and always meant to do something about that failing of mine, but just never got round to it :)

Thanks for the help.

im just reading about it now

its suggesting you can indeed use the uni -d ports BUT it means you’ll need to have another provider for that other uni-d port

egTelstra uni-d port 1
eg optus uni -d 2

my problem was when I was installing it I never got any training, neither did anyone else to my knowledge..

I just went out with someone that sort of knew something

many of the NTDs got installed in the wrong place, the bloke using scissors to cut the fibre optic also installed it essentially above a sink

esselte said:

Oh, OK then. I was just assuming that the ethernet cables were going to be the weak point speed-wise, as everything up-line (down-line?) of them is fibre optic cable. And also assuming that the longer the ethernet cable the worse it would be.

I think I will just stick with the original plan then – NTD in the master bedroom, long ethernet to the router in the family room, long ethernet from the router to the desktop in the study.

Probably shouldn’t have left this research ‘till the night before installation. I’m a terrible procrastinator and always meant to do something about that failing of mine, but just never got round to it :)

Thanks for the help.

No worries.

As long as you stay under the maximum length of 100m for ethernet cables you’ll get full speed of whatever hardware you have on each end (100Mbit or 1Gbit).

Can I connect other devices to
the unused ports on the NBN
connection box?

Unlike modem/routers you might be familiar with
from ADSL and cable broadband services, each
port on the NBN connection box is reserved
for a separate service. This allows you to have
up to four separate broadband data and up
to two separate phone services through one
connection box. If you only order one broadband
service, then only one port will be active. If you
connect one of your devices to an unused NBN
connection box port, your devices won’t be
connected to a phone or internet service.

wookiemeister said:

my problem was when I was installing it I never got any training, neither did anyone else to my knowledge..

The literature all says your NBN installer will discuss the best place to install the NTD with you when they arrive at your house, which is fine except for the fact that a good few people I’ve talked to have said that their installers had very limited English skills; “Where you want?”, which would have made the above conversation very difficult.

No-one has suggested they are incompetent or anything, just that they can’t speak English very well.

you could always get another service provider I guess?

cb88 said:

As long as you stay under the maximum length of 100m for ethernet cables you’ll get full speed of whatever hardware you have on each end (100Mbit or 1Gbit).

Well, that won’t be a problem as my house isn’t all that big. Just out of curiosity though, when you say maximum length of 100m are you talking about over all length of all ethernet cables added together, or length of each individual cable. Like, 95m from NTD to router, and another 95 meters from router to computer – would that be a problem?

esselte said:

wookiemeister said:

my problem was when I was installing it I never got any training, neither did anyone else to my knowledge..

The literature all says your NBN installer will discuss the best place to install the NTD with you when they arrive at your house, which is fine except for the fact that a good few people I’ve talked to have said that their installers had very limited English skills; “Where you want?”, which would have made the above conversation very difficult.

No-one has suggested they are incompetent or anything, just that they can’t speak English very well.

don’t get it installed in hallways

don’t get it installed near water

in newer houses getting it installed in the garage is the go, out of sight out of mind

i believe it is one length, router to computer for example.

esselte said:

cb88 said:

As long as you stay under the maximum length of 100m for ethernet cables you’ll get full speed of whatever hardware you have on each end (100Mbit or 1Gbit).

Well, that won’t be a problem as my house isn’t all that big. Just out of curiosity though, when you say maximum length of 100m are you talking about over all length of all ethernet cables added together, or length of each individual cable. Like, 95m from NTD to router, and another 95 meters from router to computer – would that be a problem?

most wireless routers also have their own spare ports you should be able to run from

ie one cable from NTD to wireless router

multiple cables from wireless router plus the wireless jazz

ChrispenEvan said:

i believe it is one length, router to computer for example.

Yep

I have that funny feeling they didn’t want us to install in bedrooms but I cant remember now

the whole problem comes with installing stuff into peoples houses

makes it very expensive

the truth is we don’t need ultra fast speeds to joe average – considering that NO money will ever be made from that house using ultra fast speed. this is a country that’s going backwards regarding training and providing services , there are few uses other than downloading films, music and games all that require spending money

if the circuit from transformer to house was buried you could use data transmission along powerlines to the house without causing radio interference

newer estates would benefit almost immediately

instead of building an nbn system you just bury your residential powerlines and improve reliability against storm damage

if you created a new type of powerline that mimics the twisted pair of phone lines you could have something at least as good as adsl 2+

adsl2+ good???? Hahahahahaha. depends on cable length to the exchange. can be absolute crap. fibre is really the only way to go. future proof for decades.

if you really wanted to you could simply create a powerline that’s wrapped around the fibreoptic cable

the circuit runs from the transformer to the main switchboard of the house where the fibre optic is separated from the three phase or single phase cable and then fed into a wireless router

wookiemeister said:

the truth is we don’t need ultra fast speeds to joe average

I’m really interested in ultra-fast mostly for future-proofing.

In 10 or 15 years time, we could be looking at streaming something like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JG2hpc96-ws

in 16k resolution, stereoscopic so actually double that resultion, super-sampled so actually more than double that resolution, in full surround – ie not just 360 looking around you but looking up and down as well (it’s not obvious from the video, but the camera movement you are seeing is actually controlled by the guy watching it through a virtual reality headset, which means if this was streaming it would have to be streaming the entire environment, not just that part of the environment that is actually being looked at at any one time) which all adds up to a hell of a lot of data needing to come in over the internet connection at once.

Virtual reality is going to put demands on the internet like has not been imagined before, and that’s just for entertainment consumption. It’s a big part of the reason why I think the Abbott governments NBN plans are so short sighted – Tony has no idea what is about to hit us with regards to the amount of data that is going to be transferred over the internet in the very near future.

ChrispenEvan said:

adsl2+ good???? Hahahahahaha. depends on cable length to the exchange. can be absolute crap. fibre is really the only way to go. future proof for decades.

the problem is – can we afford it

our efficiency and productivity is falling not increasing, I don’t see how we can justify having this system

I would wager that putting NBN into homes has not helped pay the national debt one iota

why bother doing it your way if it is no better than the current set-up? can we afford to replace crap with crap as you seem to want?

no one except the service providers are actually making money from having a fast connection

joe average isn’t making any business deals or making anything that he can sell overseas that relies on an ultra fast connection

the NBN ultra fast speed thing is a cargo cult, you say if we build a fast broadband then all of these riches will naturally follow – its a lie

ChrispenEvan said:

why bother doing it your way if it is no better than the current set-up? can we afford to replace crap with crap as you seem to want?

i’m saying its not worth it

just put it into new estates at the developers expense

wibble. just post a lot, move goalposts and you’ll be right.

ChrispenEvan said:

why bother doing it your way if it is no better than the current set-up? can we afford to replace crap with crap as you seem to want?

We’re going for an in-between model now. Better than ADSL 2 but not as good as fibre. Hopefully it will be rolled out sooner.

Better than ADSL 2…

will depend on how far from a node you are and the quality of the copper. it may be no better.

ChrispenEvan said:

wibble. just post a lot, move goalposts and you’ll be right.

the fact is most of the residences say 98 percent or more that have connected to the nbn will never make any money that will make the ATO and thus the taxpayer any money that couldn’t have been created by using the existing network – it just doesn’t add up

wookiemeister said:

joe average isn’t making any business deals or making anything that he can sell overseas that relies on an ultra fast connection

Like I just said, wookie, ultra-fast connections are going to be needed very probably within the next decade just to consume entertainment media.

There are changes afoot which most of the world doesn’t really know about yet, but these changes are coming anyway. The process is already well under-way already. The next revolution has begun! Viva La Revolucion!

There are changes afoot which most of the world doesn’t really know about yet, …

just like the pundits that reckoned people wouldn’t need a home computer.

ChrispenEvan said:

Better than ADSL 2…

will depend on how far from a node you are and the quality of the copper. it may be no better.

Well yeah, I don’t know what it will be like in your area.

For suburbia it will be like having a mini exchange every couple of streets. My mindset is suburbia.

esselte said:

wookiemeister said:

joe average isn’t making any business deals or making anything that he can sell overseas that relies on an ultra fast connection

Like I just said, wookie, ultra-fast connections are going to be needed very probably within the next decade just to consume entertainment media.

There are changes afoot which most of the world doesn’t really know about yet, but these changes are coming anyway. The process is already well under-way already. The next revolution has begun! Viva La Revolucion!

but the money made is one way – out of the household elsewhere – most likely out of the country

lets put it this way – I’d bet that not one piece of hardware is even made in Australia – so you can more or less say that maybe the 80 billion is going straight out the window here

most household have a spare phone line, if you wanted ultrafast adsl 2plus just buy another phone line service

ChrispenEvan said:

There are changes afoot which most of the world doesn’t really know about yet, …

just like the pundits that reckoned people wouldn’t need a home computer.

but the government didn’t rush out and spend 90 billion dollars buying everyone a computer – the public bought the computers themselves

what didn’t work didn’t survive

i’ll be still on wireless. can’t see fibre coming out my way.

you are inconsequential wookie. no vision just moaning.

ChrispenEvan said:

i’ll be still on wireless. can’t see fibre coming out my way.

They just need to build a street-side node within 1km of your house, or something like that.

ChrispenEvan said:

you are inconsequential wookie. no vision just moaning.

its just the necessary rebuttal

who will pay for it?

who will make it it?

will the investment create on going jobs in Australia?

what money will actually be made from it and will it create jobs HERE?

the street i live in is 7km out of town but it would be the most populated in this area. the street is a couple of Kms long. thing is that i reckon you’d get close to 100% connections if you ran fibre. there are probably ~40 homes.

wookiemeister said:

who will pay for it?

The Australian taxpayer.

who will make it it?

NBNCo

will the investment create on going jobs in Australia?

It’s pretty speculative at the moment. But it’s also like the lotto – if you haven’t bought a ticket you have no chance of winning. The one thing that we can be sure of is that lack of investment in this infrastructure will NOT create ongoing jobs in this area in Australia.

esselte said:

wookiemeister said:

who will pay for it?

The Australian taxpayer.

who will make it it?

NBNCo

will the investment create on going jobs in Australia?

It’s pretty speculative at the moment. But it’s also like the lotto – if you haven’t bought a ticket you have no chance of winning. The one thing that we can be sure of is that lack of investment in this infrastructure will NOT create ongoing jobs in this area in Australia.

all the hardware is made in china as far as im aware

no money is being spent employing anyone here to build the hardware going into homes – I doubt if the fibre optic was made here

ChrispenEvan said:

the street i live in is 7km out of town but it would be the most populated in this area. the street is a couple of Kms long. thing is that i reckon you’d get close to 100% connections if you ran fibre. there are probably ~40 homes.

Currently you would have copper all 7km back to the exchange in town. Rather than fibre all to way to each individual home, the plan is to run fibre out to street pill-boxes which will connect to the existing copper wires to each house. It’s pushing the length of fibre out further, and lessening the length of copper. it will be a significant improvement if and when a pill-box arrives in your street.

party_pants said:

ChrispenEvan said:

the street i live in is 7km out of town but it would be the most populated in this area. the street is a couple of Kms long. thing is that i reckon you’d get close to 100% connections if you ran fibre. there are probably ~40 homes.

Currently you would have copper all 7km back to the exchange in town. Rather than fibre all to way to each individual home, the plan is to run fibre out to street pill-boxes which will connect to the existing copper wires to each house. It’s pushing the length of fibre out further, and lessening the length of copper. it will be a significant improvement if and when a pill-box arrives in your street.

probably the better way to go

its incredibly time consuming to install into every house

either way – its all just a waste of money

wookiemeister said:

no money is being spent employing anyone here to build the hardware going into homes – I doubt if the fibre optic was made here

It’s not about the hardware. How many computer components are manufactured in Australia? Are you saying Australian businesses would be better off today if they just ignored this whole computer thing and stuck to good old pen and paper?

wookiemeister said:

party_pants said:

ChrispenEvan said:

the street i live in is 7km out of town but it would be the most populated in this area. the street is a couple of Kms long. thing is that i reckon you’d get close to 100% connections if you ran fibre. there are probably ~40 homes.

Currently you would have copper all 7km back to the exchange in town. Rather than fibre all to way to each individual home, the plan is to run fibre out to street pill-boxes which will connect to the existing copper wires to each house. It’s pushing the length of fibre out further, and lessening the length of copper. it will be a significant improvement if and when a pill-box arrives in your street.

probably the better way to go

its incredibly time consuming to install into every house

Unfortunately it is not upgradeable whenever we hit the upper limit of what the hybrid system is capable of.

the copper here is old. there are electric fences that degrade the signal. there is an exchange about 6m from us out here. the part of the street is multiplexed. we wont get a node. wireless, or satellite, is the only connections we’ll have.

but don’t just take my word for it

ONE of Japan’s richest men has labelled Australia’s $43 billion National Broadband Network a stupid waste of taxpayers’ money.

Masayoshi Son, who heads Japanese internet and mobile giant Softbank and counts Apple’s Steve Jobs and Microsoft’s Bill Gates among his friends, attacked the Gillard government’s signature project yesterday.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/archive/business-old/nbn-a-waste-of-money-says-japan-it-mogul/story-e6frg9hx-1225945379107

esselte said:

who will make it it?

NBNCo

ROFL.

I’m sorry, they eventually will, but the organisation, at present, is moribund. In the last year they’ve done SFA. Political considerations aside, the management of the project has been, to put it politely, fucking dire.

you rarely see a news item on the nbn these days. i get a feed on my FB page about it.

only install into new estates where the developer will pay for it

make it mandatory that all new estates have NBN connection

the investor into the house pays for the connection not the tax payer

wookiemeister said:

but don’t just take my word for it

ONE of Japan’s richest men has labelled Australia’s $43 billion National Broadband Network a stupid waste of taxpayers’ money.

Masayoshi Son, who heads Japanese internet and mobile giant Softbank and counts Apple’s Steve Jobs and Microsoft’s Bill Gates among his friends, attacked the Gillard government’s signature project yesterday.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/archive/business-old/nbn-a-waste-of-money-says-japan-it-mogul/story-e6frg9hx-1225945379107

Yeah, but he’s a complete dickhead.

The main obstacle was commercial and legal, Telstra refused to be part of a hybrid system, protecting their investment in the copper network. Full fibre was the only commercial option at the time. Since then, Telstra have relented and agreed to a cooperative approach. The change of CEO seems to have had a lot to do with it.

telcos will then lay their own large cables to take all this data – at their own expense

what about a crazy idea like making all the hardware HERE?

ChrispenEvan said:

you rarely see a news item on the nbn these days. i get a feed on my FB page about it.

That’s because they are doing SFA. Management within the organisation don’t know whether they’re Arthur or Martha. Political considerations aside, Abbot got voted in 18 months ago, they’ve been stuck with thumb in bum ever since.

To me the NBN hype seemed to be the the city and the country regardless of population would be equally treated. That always seemed to me to be impossible and not the way that systems, any system, roads, rail, airlinks, power grids etc grow. I suppose it can be done but the reason it isn’t is because of the cost.

sibeen said:

ROFL.

In the last year they’ve done SFA.

I agree NBNCo is not a very well managed business. But it’s late and time for my bed. If I can think of anything else to add I’ll log back in tomorrow night on my brand new 100/40 internet connection, the infrastructure for which was all installed to my suburb in the last year or so. :-p

party_pants said:

wookiemeister said:

but don’t just take my word for it

ONE of Japan’s richest men has labelled Australia’s $43 billion National Broadband Network a stupid waste of taxpayers’ money.

Masayoshi Son, who heads Japanese internet and mobile giant Softbank and counts Apple’s Steve Jobs and Microsoft’s Bill Gates among his friends, attacked the Gillard government’s signature project yesterday.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/archive/business-old/nbn-a-waste-of-money-says-japan-it-mogul/story-e6frg9hx-1225945379107

Yeah, but he’s a complete dickhead.

The main obstacle was commercial and legal, Telstra refused to be part of a hybrid system, protecting their investment in the copper network. Full fibre was the only commercial option at the time. Since then, Telstra have relented and agreed to a cooperative approach. The change of CEO seems to have had a lot to do with it.

New Year before last, she asked me to come around to her holiday place and have new years drinks.

Nice, hey?

sibeen said:

ChrispenEvan said:

you rarely see a news item on the nbn these days. i get a feed on my FB page about it.

That’s because they are doing SFA. Management within the organisation don’t know whether they’re Arthur or Martha. Political considerations aside, Abbot got voted in 18 months ago, they’ve been stuck with thumb in bum ever since.

I guess it doesn’t help that it falls under Turnbull’s portfolio. Just having him demonstrate vision and competence in his portfolio would be taken as a sign of disloyalty.

AwesomeO said:

To me the NBN hype seemed to be the the city and the country regardless of population would be equally treated. That always seemed to me to be impossible and not the way that systems, any system, roads, rail, airlinks, power grids etc grow. I suppose it can be done but the reason it isn’t is because of the cost.

Aye, Curve. In any reasonable, thought out plan, you would work from the central sections of the major cities and work out from there.

It was a political football from the day it was instigated.

Scotsdale, Tasmania, (ever heard of it) was I think the first place to be connected. A clusterfuck from the start.

To me the NBN hype seemed to be the the city and the country regardless of population would be equally treated.

equal as far as like compared to like. as i have said, i wont get fibre but my wireless should be “equal” to what city people get.

sibeen said:

AwesomeO said:

To me the NBN hype seemed to be the the city and the country regardless of population would be equally treated. That always seemed to me to be impossible and not the way that systems, any system, roads, rail, airlinks, power grids etc grow. I suppose it can be done but the reason it isn’t is because of the cost.

Aye, Curve. In any reasonable, thought out plan, you would work from the central sections of the major cities and work out from there.

It was a political football from the day it was instigated.

Scotsdale, Tasmania, (ever heard of it) was I think the first place to be connected. A clusterfuck from the start.

I have heard of it, even been there, used to be a defence lab there. Might even still be there.

ChrispenEvan said:

To me the NBN hype seemed to be the the city and the country regardless of population would be equally treated.

equal as far as like compared to like. as i have said, i wont get fibre but my wireless should be “equal” to what city people get.

Just as your electricity is. It just probably arrived at your location 50 years or so after it did in central business districts. That’s how shit worked without much political interference.

ChrispenEvan said:

To me the NBN hype seemed to be the the city and the country regardless of population would be equally treated.

equal as far as like compared to like. as i have said, i wont get fibre but my wireless should be “equal” to what city people get.

unlikely

there are more constituencies in cities not country areas

more votes and more power devolving to cities with every coming year

if johnny average cant get NBN in the sticks – so what?

AwesomeO said:

sibeen said:

AwesomeO said:

To me the NBN hype seemed to be the the city and the country regardless of population would be equally treated. That always seemed to me to be impossible and not the way that systems, any system, roads, rail, airlinks, power grids etc grow. I suppose it can be done but the reason it isn’t is because of the cost.

Aye, Curve. In any reasonable, thought out plan, you would work from the central sections of the major cities and work out from there.

It was a political football from the day it was instigated.

Scotsdale, Tasmania, (ever heard of it) was I think the first place to be connected. A clusterfuck from the start.

I have heard of it, even been there, used to be a defence lab there. Might even still be there.

moved to a large tunnel in antarctica

electricity???? what is this wonder you speak of?

Gees, I skite about something – probably the only thing I have to skite about – and it draws no comment. You utter, utter bunch of bar stewards.

sorry MV.

clears throat.

wow that’s amazing MV. i bet you were chuffed. errr who is she btw?

Michael V said:

New Year before last, she asked me to come around to her holiday place and have new years drinks.

Nice, hey?

Err, who are you talking about, MV, Julia?

sibeen said:

AwesomeO said:

To me the NBN hype seemed to be the the city and the country regardless of population would be equally treated. That always seemed to me to be impossible and not the way that systems, any system, roads, rail, airlinks, power grids etc grow. I suppose it can be done but the reason it isn’t is because of the cost.

Aye, Curve. In any reasonable, thought out plan, you would work from the central sections of the major cities and work out from there.

It was a political football from the day it was instigated.

Scotsdale, Tasmania, (ever heard of it) was I think the first place to be connected. A clusterfuck from the start.

lived in the next town over when the nbn thingo started

Michael V said:

Gees, I skite about something – probably the only thing I have to skite about – and it draws no comment. You utter, utter bunch of bar stewards.

I didn’t understand it.

could be any bit of skirt sibeen, you know what a lothario MV is.

Michael V said:

Gees, I skite about something – probably the only thing I have to skite about – and it draws no comment. You utter, utter bunch of bar stewards.

—-

Ah, the missus has arrived :)

stumpy_seahorse said:

sibeen said:

AwesomeO said:

To me the NBN hype seemed to be the the city and the country regardless of population would be equally treated. That always seemed to me to be impossible and not the way that systems, any system, roads, rail, airlinks, power grids etc grow. I suppose it can be done but the reason it isn’t is because of the cost.

Aye, Curve. In any reasonable, thought out plan, you would work from the central sections of the major cities and work out from there.

It was a political football from the day it was instigated.

Scotsdale, Tasmania, (ever heard of it) was I think the first place to be connected. A clusterfuck from the start.

lived in the next town over when the nbn thingo started

I got a gig, which I’ve mentioned before, running around Tassie telling NBNco what they’d require to do in a shedload of Telstra excahnges to get them up to spec.

What a waste of bloody money! I got paid, so no complaints, but it was a purely political driven project, not that I knew that at the time.

I very much doubt that a single suggestion that I made in multiple reports ever got out of a meeting, let alone implemented.

Mrs V’s best school-friend (they’ve stayed in touch for over 40 years) is the chair of Telstra. Catherine broke the glass ceiling and went to the sky in the corporate world, Mrs V married me…

Michael V said:

Mrs V’s best school-friend (they’ve stayed in touch for over 40 years) is the chair of Telstra. Catherine broke the glass ceiling and went to the sky in the corporate world, Mrs V married me…

…and Catherine has regretted it ever since :)

sibeen said:

Michael V said:

Mrs V’s best school-friend (they’ve stayed in touch for over 40 years) is the chair of Telstra. Catherine broke the glass ceiling and went to the sky in the corporate world, Mrs V married me…

…and Catherine has regretted it ever since :)

I think being a multi-millionaire brings its own compensations. Might not be quite as good, but gee, there’s lots of purchasing power.

;)

Michael V said:

sibeen said:

Michael V said:

Mrs V’s best school-friend (they’ve stayed in touch for over 40 years) is the chair of Telstra. Catherine broke the glass ceiling and went to the sky in the corporate world, Mrs V married me…

…and Catherine has regretted it ever since :)

I think being a multi-millionaire brings its own compensations. Might not be quite as good, but gee, there’s lots of purchasing power.

;)

She probably gets pretty darned good dial-up too.

Kingy said:

Michael V said:

sibeen said:

…and Catherine has regretted it ever since :)

I think being a multi-millionaire brings its own compensations. Might not be quite as good, but gee, there’s lots of purchasing power.

;)

She probably gets pretty darned good dial-up too.

Dunno. I suppose I should ask some time…

Michael V said:

Mrs V’s best school-friend (they’ve stayed in touch for over 40 years) is the chair of Telstra. Catherine broke the glass ceiling and went to the sky in the corporate world, Mrs V married me…

——

Guess who has the stress free lifestyle :)

tauto said:

Michael V said:

Mrs V’s best school-friend (they’ve stayed in touch for over 40 years) is the chair of Telstra. Catherine broke the glass ceiling and went to the sky in the corporate world, Mrs V married me…

——

Guess who has the stress free lifestyle :)

MV is beneficiary.

esselte said:

sibeen said:

ROFL.

In the last year they’ve done SFA.

I agree NBNCo is not a very well managed business. But it’s late and time for my bed. If I can think of anything else to add I’ll log back in tomorrow night on my brand new 100/40 internet connection, the infrastructure for which was all installed to my suburb in the last year or so. :-p

Haha! More fool me.

Installation tech guy: “Well, it’s all installed but unfortunately there’s a problem with the connection from the street to the box on the outside wall of your house. So… it doesn’t work.”

Me: “OK, how long will it take you to fix that?”

Installation tech guy: “Oh, I can’t fix it. Don’t have the right tools.”

Me: “Mm’kay, so when will it be fixed?”

Installation tech guy: “Next couple of days, or so…”

Me: “So, it will be fixed within the next two days?”

Installation tech guy: “Yeah. Or maybe, like, a week or so. Depends on how busy they are.”

Nice. Fantastic. Not…

Michael V said:

Nice. Fantastic. Not…

Even better… I explained how I would like the equipment installed in the corner of the room where a chair usually sits at a bit of an angle. We talked about how, if the equipment was placed low the chair would conceal the equipment nicely without restricting air-flow to it. I even pointed out in friendly conversation how the slope of the chair back meant that even if the chair was accidentally pushed hard against the wall there would be no physical contact between the chair and the equipment which could cause damage to either. So this genius installs it level with the height of the top of the chair, where it is neither concealed nor protected from damage. Where it is, in fact, most prone to damage.

And he didn’t clean up his mess before leaving.

Fuck you NBNCo. Fuck you very much.

Here’s an ad for you esselte

ChrispenEvan said:

Here’s an ad for you esselte

I actually kind’a like that ad.

First world problems and all that… “Boo hoo I’ve been slightly inconvenienced and disappointed by the fact that I don’t have NBN when I expected it”.

But I can see this escalating, see myself six weeks from now shouting over the phone in incoherent rage at some poor bloke in India called “Simon”, trying to find our why it’s still not fixed. :)