Date: 12/05/2015 15:14:16
From: Bubblecar
ID: 721415
Subject: Vitamins and Cancer Risk

One of the greatest triumphs of marketing over evidence was the incredible rise of vitamin supplement use in the 20th century. Supplement makers successfully created a “health halo” around vitamins, and taking your vitamins became a virtue, something mothers told their children to do. The evidence, however, does not tell such a simple story.

In recent years it has become increasingly apparent that there are unintended consequences to taking vitamin supplements, and in fact there may be a net negative health effect. This is especially true for those who are healthy and don’t need vitamins, and for those who exceed the recommend dosages.

A recent review of the last 20 years of literature on the subject, presented at the American Association for Cancer Research 2015 meeting, found an overall increased risk of cancer among vitamin users. Dr. Tim Byers presented the study, which echoes the result of a 2012 review that he and others published. He specifically refers to two famous studies showing an increased risk of cancer from vitamins.

The 2011 SELECT trial found an overall increased risk of prostate cancer among men taking vitamin E.

It has also been shown, first in a 1994 NEJM study, that high doses of beta carotene increase the risk of lung cancer in smokers and those exposed to asbestos.

In fact, antioxidants in general lack evidence for an overall health benefit and in high doses may increase cancer and overall mortality.

Folic acid and cancer risk is a more complex topic. There is evidence that taking folate reduces the risk of breast and possibly colon cancer. There is a “U” shaped relationship between dose and cancer risk, however:

Women with daily dietary folate intake between 153 and 400?µg showed a significant reduced breast cancer risk compared with those <153?µg, but not for those >400?µg.

There is preliminary evidence that higher doses of folate may increase cancer risk.

There are several possible mechanisms by which excess vitamin intake may promote cancer. Cancer cells are metabolically very active. Taking more vitamins than is necessary for healthy cells may only serve to feed cancerous cells, promoting their growth. Elevated levels of vitamins, exceeding what the body need for normal metabolism, may also result in the creation of alternate downstream metabolites that have negative health consequences. Further, taking megadoses of a vitamin may alter the body’s natural homeostasis with negative consequence. This is likely true with antioxidants – oxidative compounds are used by the immune system and act as signals for the creation of protective proteins. There is a balance between oxidants and anti-oxidants, and shifting that balance is not beneficial.

There are also possible unintended consequences. The evidence is fairly clear that having a healthful and well-rounded diet has health benefits. Taking vitamins does not replace having a good diet. However, taking vitamins may lead to a false sense of security, justifying a less healthful diet with net negative health consequences.

Full: https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/vitamins-and-cancer-risk/

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Date: 12/05/2015 15:31:36
From: The_observer
ID: 721421
Subject: re: Vitamins and Cancer Risk

>>>One of the greatest triumphs of marketing over evidence was the incredible rise of vitamin supplement use in the 20th century<<<

yes, one of them!

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Date: 12/05/2015 21:30:14
From: wookiemeister
ID: 721698
Subject: re: Vitamins and Cancer Risk

the reason people are getting cancer might be that we aren’t removing the radioactive isotopes from the phosphate we are using in the fertiliser.

as a consequence we are ingesting more radioactive isotopes than normal

the green revolution might have heralded the age of cancer by the back door

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Date: 12/05/2015 21:32:34
From: Michael V
ID: 721702
Subject: re: Vitamins and Cancer Risk

wookiemeister said:


the reason people are getting cancer might be that we aren’t removing the radioactive isotopes from the phosphate we are using in the fertiliser.

as a consequence we are ingesting more radioactive isotopes than normal

the green revolution might have heralded the age of cancer by the back door

Really?

I’d like to see you work the science up in that!

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Date: 12/05/2015 21:33:39
From: Michael V
ID: 721706
Subject: re: Vitamins and Cancer Risk

on, instead of in…

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Date: 12/05/2015 21:38:36
From: Michael V
ID: 721710
Subject: re: Vitamins and Cancer Risk

OK, so Uranium and daughters, Thorium and daughters, and Potassium are the usual radioactivity suspects.

Where do you propose this radioactivity is coming from? Calcium phosphate is the usual starter for phosphate fertilisers.

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Date: 12/05/2015 21:38:51
From: wookiemeister
ID: 721711
Subject: re: Vitamins and Cancer Risk

dr karl mentioned it on the radio once, or in his books cant remember

since we’ve been burning coal we’ve been dumping lots of radioactive isotopes into the environment through chimney stacks or the fly ash mountains that get blown away by the wind near power stations.

apparently some professor at Sydney uni might have complained about the problem but its all been forgotten now

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Date: 12/05/2015 21:40:22
From: wookiemeister
ID: 721713
Subject: re: Vitamins and Cancer Risk

uranium is naturally in phosphate

natural decay means it goes through different elements before becoming lead

one of them being polonium 210

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Date: 12/05/2015 21:46:11
From: Michael V
ID: 721718
Subject: re: Vitamins and Cancer Risk

wookiemeister said:


uranium is naturally in phosphate

natural decay means it goes through different elements before becoming lead

one of them being polonium 210

Uranium at what level and in what mineral? Minuscule, I’d reckon. Then the plant uptake? Minuscule of that, too, I’d reckon. Then your uptake? Minuscule of that again, I’d reckon.

More likely would be thorium (it has a phosphate mineral). Even then, the same minuscule principle would apply.

Of more concern would be cosmic radiation and natural background radiation. Or if you started breathing or ingesting smashed up smoke alarms.

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Date: 12/05/2015 21:52:45
From: Michael V
ID: 721725
Subject: re: Vitamins and Cancer Risk

Or bananas. Be worried about the potassium in bananas. Nasty, the potassium in bananas. Four 25 kg boxes of bananas would require permits to use, move or own, if it weren’t a natural product.

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Date: 12/05/2015 21:55:57
From: sibeen
ID: 721726
Subject: re: Vitamins and Cancer Risk

Michael V said:


Or bananas. Be worried about the potassium in bananas. Nasty, the potassium in bananas. Four 25 kg boxes of bananas would require permits to use, move or own, if it weren’t a natural product.

They’ve set off alerts, if memory serves correct.

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Date: 12/05/2015 22:04:53
From: Michael V
ID: 721730
Subject: re: Vitamins and Cancer Risk

sibeen said:


Michael V said:

Or bananas. Be worried about the potassium in bananas. Nasty, the potassium in bananas. Four 25 kg boxes of bananas would require permits to use, move or own, if it weren’t a natural product.

They’ve set off alerts, if memory serves correct.

Yes, they can. Don’t ingest them. Gosh no!

;)

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Date: 13/05/2015 23:56:09
From: wookiemeister
ID: 722323
Subject: re: Vitamins and Cancer Risk

unfortunately it’s no conspiracy I’m afraid

please resume your normal viewing

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