Date: 13/05/2015 17:49:30
From: Brindabellas
ID: 722130
Subject: Botox for migraines

My 15 year old son has been having ongoing migraines for the past 18 months. They had been undercontrol with preventaive medication. But his last two migraines have not responded to his medication – Naramig and Maxalt and he has been off school for 3 days each time. His neurologist has booked him in tomorrow for botox injections.

Dr Google has shown that Botox has pretty good results for preventing migraines. Does anyone here have any experience with botox and migraines?

Many thanks for any advice.

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Date: 13/05/2015 18:17:41
From: Bubblecar
ID: 722132
Subject: re: Botox for migraines

Not me Brindabellas, but I hope it works well for him.

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Date: 13/05/2015 18:32:16
From: Brindabellas
ID: 722133
Subject: re: Botox for migraines

Thanks Bubbles. Fingers crossed it works. He is doing his AMEB Grade 7 flute exam next month and he cant afford to not practice :-(

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Date: 13/05/2015 18:42:54
From: Bubblecar
ID: 722134
Subject: re: Botox for migraines

Good luck. He’s put a lot of work into that instrument.

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Date: 13/05/2015 18:46:23
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 722136
Subject: re: Botox for migraines

Oh dear. Someone has suggested Bowen Therapy for Shark Boy’s migraines on the SSSF Facebook page.

Must resist the urge to call him a crack-pot.

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Date: 13/05/2015 18:48:00
From: AwesomeO
ID: 722137
Subject: re: Botox for migraines

Witty Rejoinder said:


Oh dear. Someone has suggested Bowen Therapy for Shark Boy’s migraines on the SSSF Facebook page.

Must resist the urge to call him a crack-pot.

Not familiar with the facebook page nor Bowen therapy, but if it is anything like here, it is a high possibility of pisstake.

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Date: 13/05/2015 18:56:30
From: sibeen
ID: 722140
Subject: re: Botox for migraines

AwesomeO said:


Witty Rejoinder said:

Oh dear. Someone has suggested Bowen Therapy for Shark Boy’s migraines on the SSSF Facebook page.

Must resist the urge to call him a crack-pot.

Not familiar with the facebook page nor Bowen therapy, but if it is anything like here, it is a high possibility of pisstake.

I had a look at the SSSF facebook page for the first time last night. Actually it was my first ever time on facebook, I used SWMBO’s account.

There was well over a thousand members, so the law of averages suggest that there’ll be an abundance of crack-pots to chose from.

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Date: 13/05/2015 19:03:42
From: Brindabellas
ID: 722146
Subject: re: Botox for migraines

You would think there was more science in a science page :-(

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Date: 13/05/2015 19:06:28
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 722149
Subject: re: Botox for migraines

just having tea atm. i get there soon and see what is happening.

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Date: 13/05/2015 19:12:09
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 722151
Subject: re: Botox for migraines

hmmmm nothing really. just that one comment about bowen.

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Date: 13/05/2015 19:55:37
From: Speedy
ID: 722176
Subject: re: Botox for migraines

Hi Brindabellas, Sorry to hear that Sharkboy has been having these ongoing migraines. I have had only one migraine myself so have little experience with them. Have you looked at Youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=botox+migraines

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Date: 13/05/2015 19:57:22
From: poikilotherm
ID: 722179
Subject: re: Botox for migraines

Brindabellas said:


My 15 year old son has been having ongoing migraines for the past 18 months. They had been undercontrol with preventaive medication. But his last two migraines have not responded to his medication – Naramig and Maxalt and he has been off school for 3 days each time. His neurologist has booked him in tomorrow for botox injections.

Dr Google has shown that Botox has pretty good results for preventing migraines. Does anyone here have any experience with botox and migraines?

Many thanks for any advice.

IME results with migraine are highly patient dependent. That said, botox seems to have worked ok in some.

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Date: 13/05/2015 20:03:36
From: Brindabellas
ID: 722182
Subject: re: Botox for migraines

Speedy said:


Hi Brindabellas, Sorry to hear that Sharkboy has been having these ongoing migraines. I have had only one migraine myself so have little experience with them. Have you looked at Youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=botox+migraines

Didn’t look on youtube – that was quite informative – thanks.

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Date: 13/05/2015 22:58:59
From: wookiemeister
ID: 722284
Subject: re: Botox for migraines

stop drinking coffee

don’t eat or drink anything with caffeine in it

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Date: 13/05/2015 23:07:44
From: Speedy
ID: 722294
Subject: re: Botox for migraines

wookiemeister said:


stop drinking coffee

don’t eat or drink anything with caffeine in it

No more coffee for Sharkboy, do you hear! No more beer or spirits either and if you can, try to get him to cut down on the ciggies ;)

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Date: 14/05/2015 07:56:00
From: Brindabellas
ID: 722362
Subject: re: Botox for migraines

wookiemeister said:


stop drinking coffee

don’t eat or drink anything with caffeine in it

Actually caffeine can be used as a cure for migraines.

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Date: 14/05/2015 08:57:34
From: Speedy
ID: 722365
Subject: re: Botox for migraines

Brindabellas said:


wookiemeister said:

stop drinking coffee

don’t eat or drink anything with caffeine in it

Actually caffeine can be used as a cure for migraines.

I have a friend who, when she has a headache, asks for the strongest coffee. It usually works for her.

I can’t believe that Sharkboy is already 15! :)

Good luck today with the injections. I really hope they work for him.

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Date: 14/05/2015 08:59:13
From: pommiejohn
ID: 722366
Subject: re: Botox for migraines

FWIW I find that if I take aspirin immediately I feel a migraine coming it seems to reduce the severity.

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Date: 14/05/2015 09:18:23
From: Arts
ID: 722371
Subject: re: Botox for migraines

sorry to hear about Sharkboys troubles… I hope they find an effective reliever. I have read about botox and migraines, but AFAIK botox is eventually ‘absorbed’ by the body and needs reissuing.

where exactly are they injecting it? into the ‘trouble spots’?

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Date: 14/05/2015 09:22:54
From: poikilotherm
ID: 722373
Subject: re: Botox for migraines

Arts said:


sorry to hear about Sharkboys troubles… I hope they find an effective reliever. I have read about botox and migraines, but AFAIK botox is eventually ‘absorbed’ by the body and needs reissuing.

You can develop antibodies to it and as such they need to use the lowest effective dose to try to prevent that from happening. I was looking at the clinical trial results and at best they are ‘mixed’.

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Date: 14/05/2015 09:27:01
From: ChrispenEvan
ID: 722375
Subject: re: Botox for migraines

one thing about the botox is that he wont develop frown lines from the pain of a migraine.

;-)

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Date: 14/05/2015 09:29:53
From: Arts
ID: 722377
Subject: re: Botox for migraines

A friend of mine has botox between her eyes to stop her looking like she’s frowning all the time (she has a deep crease).. but needs to have it redone every six or so months .. she doesn’t look like she’s angry all the time now.. though she doesn’t have any other facial expression either. She thinks she’s raising an eyebrow quizzically, but she’s not. Since communication is over 60% facial expressions and body language, it really messes things up.

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Date: 14/05/2015 10:15:09
From: Cymek
ID: 722397
Subject: re: Botox for migraines

Inhaling pure oxygen is supposedly helpful in relieving migraines.
Something suggested but it’s illegal and research is incomplete is the use of magic mushrooms, the psilocybin supposedly halts and gives remission to cluster types headaches. It’s not something most people could or would want to try though.

Psilocybin has been a subject of medical research since the 1960s, when Leary and Alpert ran the Harvard Psilocybin Project, in which they carried out a number of experiments to evaluate the therapeutic value of psilocybin in the treatment of personality disorders, or to augment psychological counseling. In the 2000s (decade), there was a renewal of research concerning the use of psychedelic drugs for potential clinical applications, such as to address anxiety disorders, major depression, and various addictions. In 2008, the Johns Hopkins research team published guidelines for responsibly conducting medical research trials with psilocybin and other hallucinogens in humans. These included recommendations on how to screen potential study volunteers to exclude those with personal or family psychiatric histories that suggest a risk of adverse reactions to hallucinogens. A 2010 study on the short- and long-term subjective effects of psilocybin administration in clinical settings concluded that despite a small risk of acute reactions such as dysphoria, anxiety, or panic, “the administration of moderate doses of psilocybin to healthy, high-functioning and well-prepared subjects in the context of a carefully monitored research environment is associated with an acceptable level of risk”; the authors note, however, that the safety of the drug “cannot be generalized to situations in which psilocybin is used recreationally or administered under less controlled conditions.”

The first clinical study of psilocybin approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) since 1970—led by Francisco Moreno at the University of Arizona and supported by the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies—studied the effects of psilocybin on patients with obsessive–compulsive disorder (OCD). The pilot study found that, when administered by trained professionals in a medical setting, the use of psilocybin was associated with substantial reductions in OCD symptoms in several of the patients. This effect is caused largely by psilocybin’s ability to reduce the levels of the 5-HT2A receptor, resulting in decreased responsiveness to serotonin. Psilocybin has additionally shown promise to ease the pain caused by cluster headaches, “one of the worst pain syndromes known to mankind.” In a 2006 study, half of cluster headache patients reported that psilocybin aborted the attacks, and most reported extended remission periods; similar results were reported for LSD. A 2011 review of alternative headache treatments concluded that, despite flaws in the study design, these results suggest that LSD and psilocybin may warrant further study for use in the prevention of cluster headaches—only subhallucinogenic doses of the drugs are required for effective treatment, and no other medications have been reported to stop a cluster headache cycle.

Several modern studies have investigated the possibility that psilocybin can ease the psychological suffering associated with end-stage cancer. Preliminary results indicate that low doses of psilocybin can improve the mood and reduce the anxiety of patients with advanced cancer, and that the effects last from two weeks to six months. These results are comparable to those obtained from early studies that explored the use of LSD to improve the psychological well-being of terminally ill patients, but without the experimental rigor employed in modern clinical psychopharmacology research.[21

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Date: 14/05/2015 10:33:15
From: kii
ID: 722406
Subject: re: Botox for migraines

Poor kid :(

A work friend had Botox for her migraines. It worked really well, but the insurance company didn’t like paying for it, so she had to stop. Plus she wouldn’t trust any of the local doctors to do the injections, so she would travel to Arizona and have the procedure done at a Mayo clinic there.

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Date: 14/05/2015 11:21:06
From: poikilotherm
ID: 722423
Subject: re: Botox for migraines

Arts said:


A friend of mine has botox between her eyes to stop her looking like she’s frowning all the time (she has a deep crease).. but needs to have it redone every six or so months .. she doesn’t look like she’s angry all the time now.. though she doesn’t have any other facial expression either. She thinks she’s raising an eyebrow quizzically, but she’s not. Since communication is over 60% facial expressions and body language, it really messes things up.

Finished with my woman
‘cause she couldn’t help me with my mind
People think I’m insane
Because I am frowning all the time

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Date: 15/05/2015 07:52:18
From: Divine Angel
ID: 722914
Subject: re: Botox for migraines

Brindabellas said:


You would think there was more science in a science page :-(

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Date: 15/05/2015 07:55:25
From: Divine Angel
ID: 722915
Subject: re: Botox for migraines

Arts said:


sorry to hear about Sharkboys troubles… I hope they find an effective reliever. I have read about botox and migraines, but AFAIK botox is eventually ‘absorbed’ by the body and needs reissuing.

where exactly are they injecting it? into the ‘trouble spots’?

I believe they inject it around the temples and sometimes into the neck to relieve tension in those spots. Massage can be a migraine trigger for some sufferers (like my mum).

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Date: 15/05/2015 08:01:10
From: btm
ID: 722919
Subject: re: Botox for migraines

Cymek said:


Inhaling pure oxygen is supposedly helpful in relieving migraines.
Something suggested but it’s illegal and research is incomplete is the use of magic mushrooms, the psilocybin supposedly halts and gives remission to cluster types headaches. It’s not something most people could or would want to try though.

While psilocybin may be useful in treating cluster headaches (under US law it’s classified as an outlawed drug with no medical applications, so no researchers are allowed to (legally) test any of these claims) cluster headaches are very different to migraines.

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Date: 15/05/2015 08:08:20
From: Dropbear
ID: 722921
Subject: re: Botox for migraines

The best cure is separation

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Date: 17/05/2015 14:55:33
From: mollwollfumble
ID: 724222
Subject: re: Botox for migraines

Brindabellas said:


My 15 year old son has been having ongoing migraines for the past 18 months. They had been undercontrol with preventaive medication. But his last two migraines have not responded to his medication – Naramig and Maxalt and he has been off school for 3 days each time. His neurologist has booked him in tomorrow for botox injections.

Dr Google has shown that Botox has pretty good results for preventing migraines. Does anyone here have any experience with botox and migraines?

I happened to note just today that one of my mother’s pills can also help with migraines. Atenolol.
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/meds/a684031.html

ie. “Atenolol is also used sometimes to prevent migraine headaches and to treat alcohol withdrawal, heart failure, and irregular heartbeat. Talk to your doctor about the possible risks of using this medication for your condition.”

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