A description of a wine tasting I read recently says one of the tasters talked of a wine having a hint of “slate”. The chief taster running the session agreed.
Is this pure wine-tasting wankery, or does slate actually have some recognisable feature that could also be recognised when tasting wine (perhaps smell or texture, or something else, rather than taste)?
Maybe the taster has pica.
Trying to put names to things like taste and smell seems to be a difficult thing to do
Divine Angel said:
Maybe the taster has pica.
Hadn’t heard of pica.
Maybe people with pica find slate piquant.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Divine Angel said:
Maybe the taster has pica.
Hadn’t heard of pica.
Maybe people with pica find slate piquant.
They don’t call geoligists “rock lickers” for nothing…
Tamb said:
The Rev Dodgson said:
Divine Angel said:
Maybe the taster has pica.
Hadn’t heard of pica.
Maybe people with pica find slate piquant.
Slate has a taste. I can’t describe it but it’s there. Flint does also.
Funny you should say that, it was actually flint in the article, not slate. I don’t know where I got slate from.
But who goes around licking bits of flint and slate to see what they taste like?
pica is also a measure equal to twelve points.
sometimes things have a taste of wet grass.. I’ve never tasted wet grass, but I can imagine that it tastes a lot like the wheatgrass shot they like to push at Boost Juice. Assigning a taste to a food or drink is perceptive.. probably what youd imagine slate to taste like if it were fermented and served in a convenient glass. Or it could just be wankery..
The Rev Dodgson said:
Tamb said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Hadn’t heard of pica.
Maybe people with pica find slate piquant.
Slate has a taste. I can’t describe it but it’s there. Flint does also.Funny you should say that, it was actually flint in the article, not slate. I don’t know where I got slate from.
But who goes around licking bits of flint and slate to see what they taste like?
Arts said:
sometimes things have a taste of wet grass.. I’ve never tasted wet grass, but I can imagine that it tastes a lot like the wheatgrass shot they like to push at Boost Juice. Assigning a taste to a food or drink is perceptive.. probably what youd imagine slate to taste like if it were fermented and served in a convenient glass. Or it could just be wankery..
Someone did try to prove a lot of its wankery when they added red food dye to white wine and the tasters reviewed it as a red wine when supposedly if it has all these tastes they should have been able to tell it was fiddled with
Things that have a taste, often have a smell, and the taste of one thing might remind people of the smell of another…
furious said:
Things that have a taste, often have a smell, and the taste of one thing might remind people of the smell of another…
Cymek said:
Arts said:
sometimes things have a taste of wet grass.. I’ve never tasted wet grass, but I can imagine that it tastes a lot like the wheatgrass shot they like to push at Boost Juice. Assigning a taste to a food or drink is perceptive.. probably what youd imagine slate to taste like if it were fermented and served in a convenient glass. Or it could just be wankery..
Someone did try to prove a lot of its wankery when they added red food dye to white wine and the tasters reviewed it as a red wine when supposedly if it has all these tastes they should have been able to tell it was fiddled with
they should blindfold tasters.. always
when we had the wine maker at the winery up the road and she was blending wines i learnt a lot about tasting wine. you can actually taste these things in them.
ChrispenEvan said:
when we had the wine maker at the winery up the road and she was blending wines i learnt a lot about tasting wine. you can actually taste these things in them.
all I know is that you are supposed to take two sips.. one to ‘prepare the palette’ the next to ‘taste’ that was brought to you by the good people at Happs.
People who lick rocks are not usually wine gurus
furious said:
- Slate has a taste. I can’t describe it but it’s there. Flint does also.
They don’t call geoligists “rock lickers” for nothing…
>But who goes around licking bits of flint and slate to see what they taste like?<
“Flint” or “flinty” usually refers to a mineral or metallic aroma associated with dry whites.
Some of these wine-tasting terms can be rather far-fetched but if they become common, usually reflect real experience of what they’re being compared with, somewhere along the line. For example, I’ve read criticism of people using the term “gooseberry” to describe sauv blancs when they’ve never actually tasted gooseberries, but those of us who have know that “gooseberry” is actually quite apt for the fruitier elements of the tart, refreshing “green” taste of sauv blancs.
You might be able to test it if you put randomised words into a script and see if tasters agree and to what extent.
Bubblecar said:
>But who goes around licking bits of flint and slate to see what they taste like?<“Flint” or “flinty” usually refers to a mineral or metallic aroma associated with dry whites.
Some of these wine-tasting terms can be rather far-fetched but if they become common, usually reflect real experience of what they’re being compared with, somewhere along the line. For example, I’ve read criticism of people using the term “gooseberry” to describe sauv blancs when they’ve never actually tasted gooseberries, but those of us who have know that “gooseberry” is actually quite apt for the fruitier elements of the tart, refreshing “green” taste of sauv blancs.
It either tastes like wine or crap.
Bubblecar said:
>But who goes around licking bits of flint and slate to see what they taste like?<“Flint” or “flinty” usually refers to a mineral or metallic aroma associated with dry whites.
Some of these wine-tasting terms can be rather far-fetched but if they become common, usually reflect real experience of what they’re being compared with, somewhere along the line. For example, I’ve read criticism of people using the term “gooseberry” to describe sauv blancs when they’ve never actually tasted gooseberries, but those of us who have know that “gooseberry” is actually quite apt for the fruitier elements of the tart, refreshing “green” taste of sauv blancs.
roughbarked said:
wankerism.It either tastes like wine or crap.
“Wankerism” for you perhaps, but for people who actually have taste buds and enjoy complex tastes, the taste of wine can actually be described, and partly by reference to other tastes.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Tamb said:
The Rev Dodgson said:Hadn’t heard of pica.
Maybe people with pica find slate piquant.
Slate has a taste. I can’t describe it but it’s there. Flint does also.Funny you should say that, it was actually flint in the article, not slate. I don’t know where I got slate from.
But who goes around licking bits of flint and slate to see what they taste like?
That was my firs thought. Pica, I see DA beat me to it.
Bubblecar said:
roughbarked said:
wankerism.It either tastes like wine or crap.
“Wankerism” for you perhaps, but for people who actually have taste buds and enjoy complex tastes, the taste of wine can actually be described, and partly by reference to other tastes.
Bubblecar said:
Yes but it is still all in the imagination of the taster.
roughbarked said:
wankerism.It either tastes like wine or crap.
“Wankerism” for you perhaps, but for people who actually have taste buds and enjoy complex tastes, the taste of wine can actually be described, and partly by reference to other tastes.
Tamb said:
Bubblecar said:
roughbarked said:
wankerism.It either tastes like wine or crap.
“Wankerism” for you perhaps, but for people who actually have taste buds and enjoy complex tastes, the taste of wine can actually be described, and partly by reference to other tastes.
Like the taste of crocodile.
tastes like chicken.
>but for people who actually have taste buds
…and noses. Much of the experience of “taste” is of course actually smell. And smell can be particularly “evocative”, due to our memory of a very wide range of smells.
Anyway, why would I pay extra money for something that tastes like licking a rock? I can lick rocks for free.
roughbarked said:
Yes but it is still all in the imagination of the taster.
It’s all in the subjective experience of the taster, but because humans have a lot of shared experience of taste and smell, can nonetheless be meaningful as description.
I can see this is going to go really well.
Bubblecar said:
>but for people who actually have taste buds…and noses. Much of the experience of “taste” is of course actually smell. And smell can be particularly “evocative”, due to our memory of a very wide range of smells.
Well tell me, can you smell slate?
kii said:
I can see this is going to go really well.
I’ve had my say :)
And am about to go for a pleasant walk in the late autumn sunshine. First windless day we’ve had for some time.
freerun chardonnay tastes like green grass. and is really sweet.
roughbarked said:
Tamb said:
Bubblecar said:“Wankerism” for you perhaps, but for people who actually have taste buds and enjoy complex tastes, the taste of wine can actually be described, and partly by reference to other tastes.
Like the taste of crocodile.tastes like chicken.
That’s what I mean. People describe the taste of something as being “like” something else.
Actually crocodile has a unique, very delicate flavour quite unlike other foods. In fact it tastes like crocodile.
roughbarked said:
Bubblecar said:
>but for people who actually have taste buds…and noses. Much of the experience of “taste” is of course actually smell. And smell can be particularly “evocative”, due to our memory of a very wide range of smells.
Well tell me, can you smell slate?
You can certainly smell flint.
Bubblecar said:
kii said:
I can see this is going to go really well.
I’ve had my say :)
And am about to go for a pleasant walk in the late autumn sunshine. First windless day we’ve had for some time.
Most grapes are harvested before the autumn but they all do actually get sunshine and wind. Can you describe wine as tasting like sunshine or wind?
roughbarked said:
Bubblecar said:
>but for people who actually have taste buds…and noses. Much of the experience of “taste” is of course actually smell. And smell can be particularly “evocative”, due to our memory of a very wide range of smells.
Well tell me, can you smell slate?
Of course, but I couldn’t swear to be able to distinguish it from other stone smells (but those with more experience of mineral smells may). But as Rev pointed out, the term is actually “flint”.
Can you describe wine as tasting like sunshine or wind?
if you had a reference as to what sunshine and wind tasted like then you could.
Tamb said:
roughbarked said:
Tamb said:Like the taste of crocodile.
tastes like chicken.
That’s what I mean. People describe the taste of something as being “like” something else.
Actually crocodile has a unique, very delicate flavour quite unlike other foods. In fact it tastes like crocodile.
As I would expect.
ChrispenEvan said:
Can you describe wine as tasting like sunshine or wind?if you had a reference as to what sunshine and wind tasted like then you could.
Perhaps.
ChrispenEvan said:
freerun chardonnay tastes like green grass. and is really sweet.
Some but not all green grass, tastes sweet.
http://io9.com/wine-tasting-is-bullshit-heres-why-496098276
no perhaps about it. that is how it works, by comparison. a combination of chemicals produce a certain reaction on your palate.
When you have people tasting wine on a regular basis, the testers will discover the boundaries of taste description
they will develop new ways of trying to describe what they tasting
Tamb said:
roughbarked said:
Bubblecar said:
>but for people who actually have taste buds…and noses. Much of the experience of “taste” is of course actually smell. And smell can be particularly “evocative”, due to our memory of a very wide range of smells.
Well tell me, can you smell slate?
You can certainly smell flint.
Not much flint around here. Do you have to strike it first?
i didn’t say that the grass was sweet. there are two separate subjects there. freerun tastes like green grass. plus it is really sweet.
ChrispenEvan said:
no perhaps about it. that is how it works, by comparison. a combination of chemicals produce a certain reaction on your palate.
The wind would doubtless taste different depending upon what came on it. Could the same be said of sunshine?
ChrispenEvan said:
i didn’t say that the grass was sweet. there are two separate subjects there. freerun tastes like green grass. plus it is really sweet.
:) barley or oats?
http://io9.com/wine-tasting-is-bullshit-heres-why-496098276
because it is a subjective process.
roughbarked said:
Tamb said:
roughbarked said:Well tell me, can you smell slate?
You can certainly smell flint.
Not much flint around here. Do you have to strike it first?
ChrispenEvan said:
http://io9.com/wine-tasting-is-bullshit-heres-why-496098276because it is a subjective process.
“This one’s one of my favorites. In 2001, researcher Frédéric Brochet invited 54 wine experts to give their opinions on what were ostensibly two glasses of different wine: one red, and one white. In actuality, the two wines were identical, with one exception: the “red” wine had been dyed with food coloring.
The experts described the “red” wine in language typically reserved for characterizing reds. They called it “jammy,” for example, and noted the flavors imparted by its “crushed red fruit.” Not one of the 54 experts surveyed noticed that it was, in fact a white wine.
Tamb said:
That’s how I imagined it. So now I takes me out to strike some slate and have a sniff.
roughbarked said:
Tamb said:You can certainly smell flint.
Not much flint around here. Do you have to strike it first?
No but the smell is much stronger if you do & after you’ve smelled struck flint it is much easier to detect the taste of unstruck flint.
roughbarked said:
ChrispenEvan said:
http://io9.com/wine-tasting-is-bullshit-heres-why-496098276because it is a subjective process.
“This one’s one of my favorites. In 2001, researcher Frédéric Brochet invited 54 wine experts to give their opinions on what were ostensibly two glasses of different wine: one red, and one white. In actuality, the two wines were identical, with one exception: the “red” wine had been dyed with food coloring.
The experts described the “red” wine in language typically reserved for characterizing reds. They called it “jammy,” for example, and noted the flavors imparted by its “crushed red fruit.” Not one of the 54 experts surveyed noticed that it was, in fact a white wine.
Maybe it is similar to viewing a distant object and you can’t quite make out what it is and therefore cannot identify it. However, when the same object at the same distance, etc., is known, then you will be able to even make out various features of it.
This thread needs science. Perhaps a group testing for fndc. Open the most expensive Boyle if wine you have and describe it after two sips, one glass, one bottle etc..
Boyle = bottle according to iOS
I can’t believe people drink this swill..
It’s not getting any better…
This isn’t that bad…
What’s my name again?
We have our first set of results.
Arts said:
We have our first set of results.
Looks valid.
Was in a bottle shop once with a mate I was taking too long making a choice. He said,“don’t know why you bother, it all tastes the same after the first mouthful.”
roughbarked said:
Tamb said:That’s how I imagined it. So now I takes me out to strike some slate and have a sniff.
roughbarked said:Not much flint around here. Do you have to strike it first?
No but the smell is much stronger if you do & after you’ve smelled struck flint it is much easier to detect the taste of unstruck flint.
Arts said:
Boyle = bottle according to iOS
Boyle = PiVi = P2V2
Tamb said:
roughbarked said:
Tamb said:That’s how I imagined it. So now I takes me out to strike some slate and have a sniff.No but the smell is much stronger if you do & after you’ve smelled struck flint it is much easier to detect the taste of unstruck flint.
dull stuff, slate. Not much smell or taste but some nevertheless.
spilled some wine on slate. It still tasted like wine.
roughbarked said:
Arts said:
We have our first set of results.
Looks valid.
Was in a bottle shop once with a mate I was taking too long making a choice. He said,“don’t know why you bother, it all tastes the same after the first mouthful.”
roughbarked said:
Tamb said:
roughbarked said:That’s how I imagined it. So now I takes me out to strike some slate and have a sniff.
dull stuff, slate. Not much smell or taste but some nevertheless.spilled some wine on slate. It still tasted like wine.
That’s why not paying for drinks is known as putting it on the slate.
Tamb said:
roughbarked said:
Arts said:
We have our first set of results.
Looks valid.
Was in a bottle shop once with a mate I was taking too long making a choice. He said,“don’t know why you bother, it all tastes the same after the first mouthful.”
First mouthful often tastes pretty ordinary. The second mouthful is where the differences begin to appear.
he was talikng about beer.
Tamb said:
roughbarked said:
Tamb said:dull stuff, slate. Not much smell or taste but some nevertheless.
spilled some wine on slate. It still tasted like wine.
That’s why not paying for drinks is known as putting it on the slate.
roughbarked said:
Tamb said:
roughbarked said:spilled some wine on slate. It still tasted like wine.
That’s why not paying for drinks is known as putting it on the slate.
well done.
I don’t recall eating or tasting metal but sometimes when I get nauseous I get a taste in my mouth which I can describe as metallic.
AwesomeO said:
I don’t recall eating or tasting metal but sometimes when I get nauseous I get a taste in my mouth which I can describe as metallic.
If you have handled metal for any length of time you can smell and taste it on your hands.
AwesomeO said:
I don’t recall eating or tasting metal but sometimes when I get nauseous I get a taste in my mouth which I can describe as metallic.
Are your water pipes not metal?
roughbarked said:
AwesomeO said:
I don’t recall eating or tasting metal but sometimes when I get nauseous I get a taste in my mouth which I can describe as metallic.
If you have handled metal for any length of time you can smell and taste it on your hands.
roughbarked said:
AwesomeO said:
I don’t recall eating or tasting metal but sometimes when I get nauseous I get a taste in my mouth which I can describe as metallic.
Are your water pipes not metal?
Some might be, others are plastic though the taps are metal.
AwesomeO said:
I don’t recall eating or tasting metal but sometimes when I get nauseous I get a taste in my mouth which I can describe as metallic.
chemotherapy causes a metallic taste, which is apparently removed by eating pickles
stumpy_seahorse said:
AwesomeO said:
I don’t recall eating or tasting metal but sometimes when I get nauseous I get a taste in my mouth which I can describe as metallic.
chemotherapy causes a metallic taste, which is apparently removed by eating pickles
couldn’t one just rinse with vinegar?
stumpy_seahorse said:
AwesomeO said:
I don’t recall eating or tasting metal but sometimes when I get nauseous I get a taste in my mouth which I can describe as metallic.
chemotherapy causes a metallic taste, which is apparently removed by eating pickles
I am going to agree that slate has a taste.
You cant beat the taste treat of a good Furrberger.
Put the money into stopping domestic violence . Real actual terrorism that is a real actual threat
Dropbear said:
Put the money into stopping domestic violence . Real actual terrorism that is a real actual threat
Not seeing the relevance but okay.
WotD is apt
shicker
PRONUNCIATION:
(SHIK-uhr)
MEANING:
noun: A drunkard; alcoholic liquor.
adjective: Drunk.
verb intr.: To drink or to get drunk.
ETYMOLOGY:
From Yiddish shiker, from Hebrew shikkor, from shakar (to be drunk). Earliest documented use: 1892.
dv said:
Dropbear said:
Put the money into stopping domestic violence . Real actual terrorism that is a real actual threat
Not seeing the relevance but okay.
U WOT M8?
But who goes around licking bits of flint and slate to see what they taste like?
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I have been known to…
Michael V said:
But who goes around licking bits of flint and slate to see what they taste like?
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I have been known to…
Michael V said:
But who goes around licking bits of flint and slate to see what they taste like?
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I have been known to…
Must have been a bugger to get all those striations in place.
roughbarked said:
Mostly coz that’s what they feed them, in the crocodile farms.
Tamb said:
Bubblecar said:“Wankerism” for you perhaps, but for people who actually have taste buds and enjoy complex tastes, the taste of wine can actually be described, and partly by reference to other tastes.
Like the taste of crocodile.tastes like chicken.
Michael V said:
But who goes around licking bits of flint and slate to see what they taste like?
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I have been known to…
Do you yell at clouds too?
Tamb said:
Arsenopyrite tastes different to pyrite and much nicer than marcasite.
roughbarked said:
AwesomeO said:
I don’t recall eating or tasting metal but sometimes when I get nauseous I get a taste in my mouth which I can describe as metallic.
If you have handled metal for any length of time you can smell and taste it on your hands.
And copper tastes/smells different to iron.
One metal I don’t recommend tasting is arsenic.
Smells worse though…
Why has no-one mentioned that the taste of magic is tin.
Yes, Discworld again.
buffy said:
Why has no-one mentioned that the taste of magic is tin.
Yes, Discworld again.
and the ozone layer smells of geraniums
buffy said:
Why has no-one mentioned that the taste of magic is tin.
Yes, Discworld again.
Well the contents of “tinnies” does have a magical effect on brain cells!
stumpy_seahorse said:
buffy said:Why has no-one mentioned that the taste of magic is tin.
Yes, Discworld again.
and the ozone layer smells of geraniums
There’s a zone that smells of goldilocks hair.
are they saying its a metallic flavor or something else
roughbarked said:
stumpy_seahorse said:
buffy said:Why has no-one mentioned that the taste of magic is tin.
Yes, Discworld again.
and the ozone layer smells of geraniums
There’s a zone that smells of goldilocks hair.
htf does that work?
stumpy_seahorse said:
buffy said:Why has no-one mentioned that the taste of magic is tin.
Yes, Discworld again.
and the ozone layer smells of geraniums
I think they used to use them in crystal sets.
Peak Warming Man said:
stumpy_seahorse said:
buffy said:Why has no-one mentioned that the taste of magic is tin.
Yes, Discworld again.
and the ozone layer smells of geraniums
Along with a Cats whisker which must have pissed off the moggies
I think they used to use them in crystal sets.
you can make a “cat’s whisker” from a razor blade and the lead from your pencil.
ChrispenEvan said:
you can make a “cat’s whisker” from a razor blade and the lead from your pencil.
i don’t think Bob has any lead left in his pencil…
IYKWIM…
stumpy_seahorse said:
ChrispenEvan said:
you can make a “cat’s whisker” from a razor blade and the lead from your pencil.
i don’t think Bob has any lead left in his pencil…
IYKWIM…
That is confidential information between me and my Doctor and you should not divulge it even if it is true.
Divine Angel said:
Maybe the taster has pica.
I do. I can remember what “slate” tastes like, rather floury due to the loose clay particles on its surface. Tastes rather like shale.
On the other hand, perhaps the taster has synesthesia, and the taste evokes the colour “slate grey”.