Date: 21/05/2015 09:13:47
From: wookiemeister
ID: 726347
Subject: ISIS to destroy palmyra
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-21/syrians-ancient-treasures-relocated-as-is-overruns-part-palmyra/6485428
Palmyra: Islamic State militants overrun ancient Syrian city as fears grow for pre-Islamic cultural treasures
lucky I saw it whilst it was it was still standing – in a few days the entire place will be turned into rubble
lets give ourselves a pat on the back
Date: 21/05/2015 09:20:22
From: roughbarked
ID: 726351
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
wookiemeister said:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-21/syrians-ancient-treasures-relocated-as-is-overruns-part-palmyra/6485428
Palmyra: Islamic State militants overrun ancient Syrian city as fears grow for pre-Islamic cultural treasures
lucky I saw it whilst it was it was still standing – in a few days the entire place will be turned into rubble
lets give ourselves a pat on the back
They are stupid really. By destroying the place they give the rest of the world an excuse to bomb the shyte out of the place. If they were smart, they’d hide all of their bases in such places intact as this would prevent the rest of the world from bombing historical sites.
Date: 21/05/2015 09:20:34
From: wookiemeister
ID: 726352
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
my guesses are that ISIS will start strapping explosives to the temple they have there and level the area nimrud style after they’ve had some beheadings and torture etc.
the only thing that will stop them is a type of blitzkrieg operation
if they had destroyed the roads months ago ISIS wouldn’t even exist now but for the moment we’ll just allow all their weapons and oil to keep flowing that’s the main thing on the thin vulnerable transport routes that they so desperately need to keep their entire operation going.
Date: 21/05/2015 09:21:34
From: wookiemeister
ID: 726353
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
the war against ISIS is yet again another classic example on how to waste lots of money and lose a war – again
Date: 21/05/2015 09:24:47
From: wookiemeister
ID: 726354
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
roughbarked said:
wookiemeister said:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-21/syrians-ancient-treasures-relocated-as-is-overruns-part-palmyra/6485428
Palmyra: Islamic State militants overrun ancient Syrian city as fears grow for pre-Islamic cultural treasures
lucky I saw it whilst it was it was still standing – in a few days the entire place will be turned into rubble
lets give ourselves a pat on the back
They are stupid really. By destroying the place they give the rest of the world an excuse to bomb the shyte out of the place. If they were smart, they’d hide all of their bases in such places intact as this would prevent the rest of the world from bombing historical sites.
ISIS cab only exist as long as the tarmac roads exist, its a cancer that need fragile transport routes to spread and prosper – how many oil trucks do you think will roll out of the country if the roads are ruined in targeted places?
exactly how is this oil leaving the country?
turkey is allowing its borders to get all this money, men and machines and oil in and out – I’d wager they were religiously affiliated with ISIS – its a problem having a NATO ally so deeply implicated with ISIS
Date: 21/05/2015 10:43:08
From: CrazyNeutrino
ID: 726404
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
When the war against ISIS death cult zombies is over the International War Crimes Court will be very busy.
Date: 21/05/2015 11:13:46
From: diddly-squat
ID: 726423
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
CrazyNeutrino said:
When the war against ISIS death cult zombies is over the International War Crimes Court will be very busy.
I don’t think so, at least not for the destruction of archaeological artifacts
Date: 21/05/2015 11:15:41
From: Dropbear
ID: 726425
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
It’s ok I’m sure you don’t read Diddly’s or my posts anyway :)
Episode has been out for three days, spoiler moratorium is over
Date: 21/05/2015 11:26:57
From: kii
ID: 726436
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
Dropbear said:
It’s ok I’m sure you don’t read Diddly’s or my posts anyway :)
Episode has been out for three days, spoiler moratorium is over
The what?
Date: 21/05/2015 11:28:52
From: Dropbear
ID: 726439
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
Apologies to ISIS for the wrong thread
Date: 21/05/2015 11:31:23
From: furious
ID: 726442
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
- Apologies to ISIS for the wrong thread
In the GOT universe, they gather around the TV every Monday night to watch the latest episode of ISIS…
Date: 21/05/2015 11:41:17
From: CrazyNeutrino
ID: 726447
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
Dropbear said:
Apologies to ISIS for the wrong thread
too late, your on their beheading list
Date: 21/05/2015 11:42:45
From: Dropbear
ID: 726448
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
CrazyNeutrino said:
Dropbear said:
Apologies to ISIS for the wrong thread
too late, your on their beheading list
You’re
Date: 21/05/2015 11:47:15
From: diddly-squat
ID: 726450
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
Dropbear said:
CrazyNeutrino said:
Dropbear said:
Apologies to ISIS for the wrong thread
too late, your on their beheading list
You’re
in the Dropbear Caliphate, it will be the apostrophe misusers that will be first against the wall
Date: 21/05/2015 11:47:40
From: sibeen
ID: 726451
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
Dropbear said:
CrazyNeutrino said:
Dropbear said:
Apologies to ISIS for the wrong thread
too late, your on their beheading list
You’re
Anyways, I expect we all would be on the list
Date: 21/05/2015 11:47:57
From: CrazyNeutrino
ID: 726452
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
Dropbear said:
CrazyNeutrino said:
Dropbear said:
Apologies to ISIS for the wrong thread
too late, your on their beheading list
You’re
You’re right
ISIS must love that Kenny McCormick South park character
Date: 21/05/2015 11:49:03
From: Dropbear
ID: 726453
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
The Internet hive mind’s righteous grammar anger is without quench.
Date: 21/05/2015 11:51:34
From: Dropbear
ID: 726455
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
I wish Jon Targaryan would grab Drogon and just basically fk shit up.
Date: 21/05/2015 11:52:39
From: diddly-squat
ID: 726456
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
Dropbear said:
I wish Jon Targaryan would grab Drogon and just basically fk shit up.
Jon Targaryan
lols
Date: 21/05/2015 11:53:13
From: Cymek
ID: 726457
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
sibeen said:
Dropbear said:
CrazyNeutrino said:
too late, your on their beheading list
You’re
Anyways, I expect we all would be on the list
Yes we are all Western Pig Dogs
Date: 21/05/2015 11:53:34
From: Dropbear
ID: 726458
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
Wow again with the wrong thread !!
Hogan!
Date: 21/05/2015 11:53:52
From: Dropbear
ID: 726459
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
diddly-squat said:
Dropbear said:
I wish Jon Targaryan would grab Drogon and just basically fk shit up.
Jon Targaryan
lols
You know it’s true
Date: 21/05/2015 11:55:22
From: Cymek
ID: 726460
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
Dropbear said:
I wish Jon Targaryan would grab Drogon and just basically fk shit up.
Is that what happens or what you’d like to happen.
Isn’t Bran the one who can enter the minds of animals
Date: 21/05/2015 11:56:42
From: roughbarked
ID: 726461
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
Didn’t al qeda recently tell ISIS to concentrate on killing Americans rather than other muslims?
Date: 21/05/2015 11:58:20
From: Dropbear
ID: 726462
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
Cymek said:
Dropbear said:
I wish Jon Targaryan would grab Drogon and just basically fk shit up.
Is that what happens or what you’d like to happen.
Isn’t Bran the one who can enter the minds of animals
That’s what I’d like to happen.
I think it’s fairly obvious from the TV show alone that Jon is the son of Neds Sister, raped by the mad king. Robert basically started the war over it
Date: 21/05/2015 12:00:10
From: Dropbear
ID: 726463
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
roughbarked said:
Didn’t al qeda recently tell ISIS to concentrate on killing Americans rather than other muslims?
I don’t think they’re on talking terms anymore
Date: 21/05/2015 12:03:54
From: CrazyNeutrino
ID: 726465
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
roughbarked said:
Didn’t al qeda recently tell ISIS to concentrate on killing Americans rather than other muslims?
al qeda = Death to Americans
ISIS = Death to Everyone
Date: 21/05/2015 12:17:30
From: AwesomeO
ID: 726469
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
I will put it here for wookie. On last nights sign off on Lateline they mentioned that tonight’s episode is about future weapons or warfare.
Date: 21/05/2015 12:33:57
From: CrazyNeutrino
ID: 726471
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
AwesomeO said:
I will put it here for wookie. On last nights sign off on Lateline they mentioned that tonight’s episode is about future weapons or warfare.
the Chinese are using those microwave type weapons that make the skin feel like its burning, this is how they get rid of boat people and fishing boats, etc
Date: 21/05/2015 12:36:31
From: JudgeMental
ID: 726472
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
two trees down now. three to go.
Date: 21/05/2015 12:37:26
From: furious
ID: 726474
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
- two trees down now. three to go.
There is only five trees in palmyra?
Date: 21/05/2015 12:38:27
From: roughbarked
ID: 726476
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
furious said:
- two trees down now. three to go.
There is only five trees in palmyra?
Palmer dates
Date: 21/05/2015 14:53:30
From: furious
ID: 726591
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
Date: 21/05/2015 17:54:55
From: wookiemeister
ID: 726698
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
AwesomeO said:
I will put it here for wookie. On last nights sign off on Lateline they mentioned that tonight’s episode is about future weapons or warfare.
i’ll bookmark it
Date: 21/05/2015 17:56:22
From: wookiemeister
ID: 726699
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
CrazyNeutrino said:
AwesomeO said:
I will put it here for wookie. On last nights sign off on Lateline they mentioned that tonight’s episode is about future weapons or warfare.
the Chinese are using those microwave type weapons that make the skin feel like its burning, this is how they get rid of boat people and fishing boats, etc
the Italian police were using microwave lasers on demonstrators years ago
can be defeated by al foil
Date: 21/05/2015 18:25:48
From: wookiemeister
ID: 726707
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
wookiemeister said:
AwesomeO said:
I will put it here for wookie. On last nights sign off on Lateline they mentioned that tonight’s episode is about future weapons or warfare.
i’ll bookmark it
Australia’s Defence Force is up to 20 years behind the United States in preparing for a future conflict that will likely involve attacks from swarms of drones from the air and the sea, according to one of the Defence Department’s own consultants.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-21/adf-behind-us-in-preparing-for-future-warfare-expert-says/6486732
I’m afraid all of my “outlandish” assertions about this sort of things will all come true
its brainless not to have war robots – why would you send lots of men to battle when you can build lots of robots quickly AND get them into the field quickly?
Date: 21/05/2015 18:28:11
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 726709
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
wookiemeister said:
Australia’s Defence Force is up to 20 years behind the United States in preparing for a future conflict that will likely involve attacks from swarms of drones from the air and the sea, according to one of the Defence Department’s own consultants.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-21/adf-behind-us-in-preparing-for-future-warfare-expert-says/6486732
I’m afraid all of my “outlandish” assertions about this sort of things will all come true
its brainless not to have war robots – why would you send lots of men to battle when you can build lots of robots quickly AND get them into the field quickly?
I don’t recall you ever mentioning swarms of drone except in the case of fire-fighting.
Date: 21/05/2015 18:29:41
From: AwesomeO
ID: 726710
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
wookiemeister said:
wookiemeister said:
AwesomeO said:
I will put it here for wookie. On last nights sign off on Lateline they mentioned that tonight’s episode is about future weapons or warfare.
i’ll bookmark it
Australia’s Defence Force is up to 20 years behind the United States in preparing for a future conflict that will likely involve attacks from swarms of drones from the air and the sea, according to one of the Defence Department’s own consultants.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-21/adf-behind-us-in-preparing-for-future-warfare-expert-says/6486732
I’m afraid all of my “outlandish” assertions about this sort of things will all come true
its brainless not to have war robots – why would you send lots of men to battle when you can build lots of robots quickly AND get them into the field quickly?
There is no doubt it is happening. But your ideas are sometimes described as outlandish because they are not possible. Robot armies are not an option for the next defence budget, so when you say “all you need is an army of robots”, you are in the realms of fantasy.
Date: 21/05/2015 18:30:34
From: wookiemeister
ID: 726711
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
Witty Rejoinder said:
wookiemeister said:
Australia’s Defence Force is up to 20 years behind the United States in preparing for a future conflict that will likely involve attacks from swarms of drones from the air and the sea, according to one of the Defence Department’s own consultants.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-21/adf-behind-us-in-preparing-for-future-warfare-expert-says/6486732
I’m afraid all of my “outlandish” assertions about this sort of things will all come true
its brainless not to have war robots – why would you send lots of men to battle when you can build lots of robots quickly AND get them into the field quickly?
I don’t recall you ever mentioning swarms of drone except in the case of fire-fighting.
I’ve mentioned drones before I suspect
Date: 21/05/2015 18:33:55
From: JudgeMental
ID: 726713
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
I don’t recall you ever mentioning swarms of drone except in the case of fire-fighting.
you have to extrapolate, witty.
Date: 21/05/2015 18:35:00
From: wookiemeister
ID: 726714
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
AwesomeO said:
wookiemeister said:
wookiemeister said:
i’ll bookmark it
Australia’s Defence Force is up to 20 years behind the United States in preparing for a future conflict that will likely involve attacks from swarms of drones from the air and the sea, according to one of the Defence Department’s own consultants.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-21/adf-behind-us-in-preparing-for-future-warfare-expert-says/6486732
I’m afraid all of my “outlandish” assertions about this sort of things will all come true
its brainless not to have war robots – why would you send lots of men to battle when you can build lots of robots quickly AND get them into the field quickly?
There is no doubt it is happening. But your ideas are sometimes described as outlandish because they are not possible. Robot armies are not an option for the next defence budget, so when you say “all you need is an army of robots”, you are in the realms of fantasy.
imagine being
able to print an army in the field
you turn up with the raw ingredients then 3D print various vehicles as you need them – complete with electronics etc
you don’t need the vehicles sitting idle at a base consuming time money and effort in servicing them
the great thing about autonomous vehicles is that you don’t need to train tank crews or pay them superannuation and a whole host of financially draining stuff for a government that needs to put an army into the field
a robot army might still have an infantry, but they wouldn’t be walking around in battle ala star wars style – they’d be crawling, most likely having the rifle on their back or with a small machine gun for a head
Date: 21/05/2015 18:37:59
From: wookiemeister
ID: 726716
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
water bombers could easily be turned into plain old bombers
it makes me wonder if you could 3D print anti tank missiles/ SAMs?
lasers and rail guns would have to make an appearance I suppose
modern aircraft might have a powerful laser on board to take on missiles and enemy fighter jets – I put it in something like concorde – big enough, fast enough to house something that could defend the aircraft
Date: 21/05/2015 18:38:29
From: AwesomeO
ID: 726717
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
wookiemeister said:
AwesomeO said:
wookiemeister said:
Australia’s Defence Force is up to 20 years behind the United States in preparing for a future conflict that will likely involve attacks from swarms of drones from the air and the sea, according to one of the Defence Department’s own consultants.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-05-21/adf-behind-us-in-preparing-for-future-warfare-expert-says/6486732
I’m afraid all of my “outlandish” assertions about this sort of things will all come true
its brainless not to have war robots – why would you send lots of men to battle when you can build lots of robots quickly AND get them into the field quickly?
There is no doubt it is happening. But your ideas are sometimes described as outlandish because they are not possible. Robot armies are not an option for the next defence budget, so when you say “all you need is an army of robots”, you are in the realms of fantasy.
imagine being
able to print an army in the field
you turn up with the raw ingredients then 3D print various vehicles as you need them – complete with electronics etc
you don’t need the vehicles sitting idle at a base consuming time money and effort in servicing them
the great thing about autonomous vehicles is that you don’t need to train tank crews or pay them superannuation and a whole host of financially draining stuff for a government that needs to put an army into the field
a robot army might still have an infantry, but they wouldn’t be walking around in battle ala star wars style – they’d be crawling, most likely having the rifle on their back or with a small machine gun for a head
That’s all great. Issue is you see a problem, retreat into wookie world for a solution then proclaim that to solve said problem “you just” insert unfeasable and financially impossible solution then act like everyone is a dumbarse for not proclaiming your genius at solving the problem.
Date: 21/05/2015 18:39:29
From: wookiemeister
ID: 726719
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
if you knew the enemy were 3D printing their army you could try to insert rogue into the production to create an Achilles heel – a software glitch or a weakness in the armour
Date: 21/05/2015 18:42:01
From: wookiemeister
ID: 726720
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
AwesomeO said:
wookiemeister said:
AwesomeO said:
There is no doubt it is happening. But your ideas are sometimes described as outlandish because they are not possible. Robot armies are not an option for the next defence budget, so when you say “all you need is an army of robots”, you are in the realms of fantasy.
imagine being
able to print an army in the field
you turn up with the raw ingredients then 3D print various vehicles as you need them – complete with electronics etc
you don’t need the vehicles sitting idle at a base consuming time money and effort in servicing them
the great thing about autonomous vehicles is that you don’t need to train tank crews or pay them superannuation and a whole host of financially draining stuff for a government that needs to put an army into the field
a robot army might still have an infantry, but they wouldn’t be walking around in battle ala star wars style – they’d be crawling, most likely having the rifle on their back or with a small machine gun for a head
That’s all great. Issue is you see a problem, retreat into wookie world for a solution then proclaim that to solve said problem “you just” insert unfeasable and financially impossible solution then act like everyone is a dumbarse for not proclaiming your genius at solving the problem.
so you just create an armoured box on tracks that can deal with moving along in mud, you could put a machine gun or something on it, man that would give them a shock.
ok too whacky – so you create a gun that fires lots of shells very quickly – it sounds mad right? what use would that kind of weapon be when all armies move around on horseback – that’s unfeasible if you ask me
Date: 21/05/2015 18:45:13
From: wookiemeister
ID: 726722
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
getting back to business
if they had bombed the transport links used by ISIS leading to Palmyra maybe you wouldn’t see a major historical site having bombs strapped to it and detonated
Date: 21/05/2015 18:52:38
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 726723
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
wookiemeister said:
if they had bombed the transport links used by ISIS leading to Palmyra maybe you wouldn’t see a major historical site having bombs strapped to it and detonated
It is absurd to think that anti-IS forces aren’t doing their utmost to destroy IS supply lines.
Date: 21/05/2015 19:01:59
From: wookiemeister
ID: 726726
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
Witty Rejoinder said:
wookiemeister said:
if they had bombed the transport links used by ISIS leading to Palmyra maybe you wouldn’t see a major historical site having bombs strapped to it and detonated
It is absurd to think that anti-IS forces aren’t doing their utmost to destroy IS supply lines.
I doubt it – the proof is in the outcome
a few hours of any reasonable bombing would do immense damage to any logistics network
there would be bridges to Palmyra or elsewhere, knock them out
let everything be dragged through the unforgiving sand – I hope it doesn’t rain – that would bring everything to a screeching halt
Date: 21/05/2015 19:05:40
From: CrazyNeutrino
ID: 726727
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
Witty Rejoinder said:
wookiemeister said:
if they had bombed the transport links used by ISIS leading to Palmyra maybe you wouldn’t see a major historical site having bombs strapped to it and detonated
It is absurd to think that anti-IS forces aren’t doing their utmost to destroy IS supply lines.
ISIS are spread out over thousands of kilometers
military training of civilians takes time
ISIS have between 17000, 21000 zombies
Takes a bit of time when so many zombies are spread over thousands of kilometers
Date: 21/05/2015 19:06:41
From: wookiemeister
ID: 726729
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
the my plan would be to
1 disable road networks in the isis heartland
2 disable road networks to stop the cancer spreading
3 cut the road networks from turkey to Syria by knocking out road systems – make big craters in the roads
4 cut power to any isis held city, if they are using generators – hit them
it could be argued that this would increase civilian suffering but the fact is this happens in war anyway – you are not directly blowing them up you are simply destroying the thing most beloved by their masters – the means to carry their war to the rest of the world.
the war would be over very quickly
Date: 21/05/2015 19:08:07
From: wookiemeister
ID: 726730
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
CrazyNeutrino said:
Witty Rejoinder said:
wookiemeister said:
if they had bombed the transport links used by ISIS leading to Palmyra maybe you wouldn’t see a major historical site having bombs strapped to it and detonated
It is absurd to think that anti-IS forces aren’t doing their utmost to destroy IS supply lines.
ISIS are spread out over thousands of kilometers
military training of civilians takes time
ISIS have between 17000, 21000 zombies
Takes a bit of time when so many zombies are spread over thousands of kilometers
yes but the zombies all need resupplying
the zombies need to sell oil to make money
no roads – no oil flows
theres probably a pipeline as well, shut the ends of the pipeline off and stop oil flowing where isis operates
Date: 21/05/2015 19:10:42
From: wookiemeister
ID: 726731
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
The Many Ways to Map the Islamic ‘State’
Does ISIS control huge swaths of land or a network of roads? It depends on your definition of ‘control.’
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/08/the-many-ways-to-map-the-islamic-state/379196/
Date: 21/05/2015 19:11:29
From: AwesomeO
ID: 726732
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
Indeed the proof is in the outcome. If it was simple as “you just” it would have been done. Not only do you not say who “they” is “who just” you seem to have forgotten the lessons of desert warfare which is that the deserts are more akin to oceans, you can attack nodes but travel freely in all directions.
Remember Rommel and the desert marshes?
Date: 21/05/2015 19:13:00
From: CrazyNeutrino
ID: 726733
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
wookiemeister said:
the my plan would be to
1 disable road networks in the isis heartland
2 disable road networks to stop the cancer spreading
3 cut the road networks from turkey to Syria by knocking out road systems – make big craters in the roads
4 cut power to any isis held city, if they are using generators – hit them
it could be argued that this would increase civilian suffering but the fact is this happens in war anyway – you are not directly blowing them up you are simply destroying the thing most beloved by their masters – the means to carry their war to the rest of the world.
the war would be over very quickly
How would local communities get around for food?
Date: 21/05/2015 19:13:31
From: wookiemeister
ID: 726734
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
AwesomeO said:
Indeed the proof is in the outcome. If it was simple as “you just” it would have been done. Not only do you not say who “they” is “who just” you seem to have forgotten the lessons of desert warfare which is that the deserts are more akin to oceans, you can attack nodes but travel freely in all directions.
Remember Rommel and the desert marshes?
yes the desert war was a waste of time and resources – the germans should have never gone there
when the germans allowed the british army to exit france it was game over
Date: 21/05/2015 19:14:46
From: wookiemeister
ID: 726736
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
CrazyNeutrino said:
wookiemeister said:
the my plan would be to
1 disable road networks in the isis heartland
2 disable road networks to stop the cancer spreading
3 cut the road networks from turkey to Syria by knocking out road systems – make big craters in the roads
4 cut power to any isis held city, if they are using generators – hit them
it could be argued that this would increase civilian suffering but the fact is this happens in war anyway – you are not directly blowing them up you are simply destroying the thing most beloved by their masters – the means to carry their war to the rest of the world.
the war would be over very quickly
How would local communities get around for food?
not my problem
the objective is to WIN the war – I’m sure the locals would start showing their displeasure at ISIS fairly quickly and if they decided to throw their hand in with them – more fool them
Date: 21/05/2015 19:16:24
From: CrazyNeutrino
ID: 726737
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
remember that ISIS are embedded amongst communities which makes it difficult to bomb them
Date: 21/05/2015 19:16:38
From: wookiemeister
ID: 726738
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
Controlling the flow of traffic into a province means controlling access to it, as well as locals’ ability to leave. It also means connecting ISIS’s other infrastructure—including military bases and oil resources—across Syria and Iraq. “The desert is not necessarily significant” from ISIS’s perspective, Qaddour writes, “but the roads running through the desert are.”
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/08/the-many-ways-to-map-the-islamic-state/379196/
the key to WINNING the war is by knocking out the road system to stop tankers and supply vehicles reaching ISIS bases OR slowing down that supply system
Date: 21/05/2015 19:17:29
From: CrazyNeutrino
ID: 726739
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
wookiemeister said:
CrazyNeutrino said:
wookiemeister said:
the my plan would be to
1 disable road networks in the isis heartland
2 disable road networks to stop the cancer spreading
3 cut the road networks from turkey to Syria by knocking out road systems – make big craters in the roads
4 cut power to any isis held city, if they are using generators – hit them
it could be argued that this would increase civilian suffering but the fact is this happens in war anyway – you are not directly blowing them up you are simply destroying the thing most beloved by their masters – the means to carry their war to the rest of the world.
the war would be over very quickly
How would local communities get around for food?
not my problem
the objective is to WIN the war – I’m sure the locals would start showing their displeasure at ISIS fairly quickly and if they decided to throw their hand in with them – more fool them
Its a problem for the local communities who don’t wont ISIS around
Date: 21/05/2015 19:17:50
From: wookiemeister
ID: 726740
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
CrazyNeutrino said:
remember that ISIS are embedded amongst communities which makes it difficult to bomb them
exactly
don’t bother bombing cities – its a waste of time and money
cut the lifeblood to them
if you spot tanks hiding among the streets – drop a big concrete block on them – they would hate that
Date: 21/05/2015 19:21:55
From: wookiemeister
ID: 726741
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
CrazyNeutrino said:
wookiemeister said:
CrazyNeutrino said:
How would local communities get around for food?
not my problem
the objective is to WIN the war – I’m sure the locals would start showing their displeasure at ISIS fairly quickly and if they decided to throw their hand in with them – more fool them
Its a problem for the local communities who don’t wont ISIS around
winning hearts and minds is over – we don’t need to win any hearts or minds only to knock out the logistics
we don’t need to train anyone
arm anyone
ask people to be our friends
give them money
etc
most importantly – we don’t need to kill them either by destroying their homes
cities absorb bombs its a waste of attacking them unless you have a few divisions of self propelled guns/ artillery knocking out stuff inside them or creating lanes into which your troops could enter ie you don’t try to fight house to house all the way through to make gains – just knock down lots of houses to allow your troops enfettered access straight into the city (if you are so inclined)
Date: 21/05/2015 19:26:06
From: wookiemeister
ID: 726743
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
you’ll actually see the main roads next to turkey as being the lifeline of isis – cut them and the rest of the beast dies too
Date: 21/05/2015 19:28:13
From: wookiemeister
ID: 726744
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
if you took the road network down between raqqa and Aleppo the whole thing would fall over
Date: 21/05/2015 19:35:17
From: wookiemeister
ID: 726745
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
road number “4” near lake asaad would be a prime candidate
the road M4 heading into manbij would be excellent cut points especially knocking out the bridge across the Euphrates on the M4
road 42 could be knocked out too just north of ithrya
this cuts all major traffic east to support ISIS
once you’ve ruined those major routes the next operation would be against all roads, roads like the 214/ 216
Date: 21/05/2015 19:35:29
From: party_pants
ID: 726746
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
What ISIS need is some sharp sticks shoved up their bums until they bleed to death. A deterrent for any young fool who wants to join thm. Stop their recruiting and they’ll wither and die off. Stuff the Geneva Convention.
Date: 21/05/2015 19:38:36
From: sibeen
ID: 726747
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
Vlad the party_pants
or Admiral Vlad
Date: 21/05/2015 19:38:43
From: wookiemeister
ID: 726748
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
party_pants said:
What ISIS need is some sharp sticks shoved up their bums until they bleed to death. A deterrent for any young fool who wants to join thm. Stop their recruiting and they’ll wither and die off. Stuff the Geneva Convention.
you need a plan that will work, a methodical, cheap way to cut its materiel from getting too and from battle
instead of spending 500 million here to stop radicalisation just destroy ISIS where it stands
encourage the jihadists to go to Syria / Iraq from here – this is the best way to get rid of problems from here – just finish them off in the sands in Syria instead of allowing them to come back and sow their ideology
Date: 21/05/2015 19:40:07
From: wookiemeister
ID: 726749
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
Al tabaq south of lake assad has a bridge crossing at the Euphrates
bomb it
Date: 21/05/2015 19:40:39
From: CrazyNeutrino
ID: 726750
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
there are still stories of people going into Iraq and Syria to fight from all over the world
so its not something that’s going to finish soon
Date: 21/05/2015 19:40:54
From: wookiemeister
ID: 726751
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
hit the cross roads of highway 4 and 6 at alhora
Date: 21/05/2015 19:41:19
From: wookiemeister
ID: 726752
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
CrazyNeutrino said:
there are still stories of people going into Iraq and Syria to fight from all over the world
so its not something that’s going to finish soon
no because we have learnt only how to lose wars not win them
Date: 21/05/2015 19:44:54
From: party_pants
ID: 726753
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
sibeen said:
Vlad the party_pants
or Admiral Vlad
If Wookie can post nonsense, so can I
Date: 21/05/2015 19:45:22
From: wookiemeister
ID: 726754
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
cut the supplies from turkey and drive ISIS towards the Iraqi army
its true they will run away but you’ll be strafing all the way down the highway to baghdad
Date: 21/05/2015 19:46:18
From: furious
ID: 726755
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
- If Wookie can post nonsense, so can I
He just really doesn’t like roads…
Date: 21/05/2015 19:47:40
From: wookiemeister
ID: 726756
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
party_pants said:
sibeen said:
Vlad the party_pants
or Admiral Vlad
If Wookie can post nonsense, so can I
yes its nonsense to suggest an army can be destroyed by knocking out the logistics of their operation
alexander the great could have been stopped in his tracks if the Persians had simply cut supply lines behind him and just withdrew when he moved back to defend it
harass
deny
Date: 21/05/2015 19:49:18
From: wookiemeister
ID: 726757
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
furious said:
- If Wookie can post nonsense, so can I
He just really doesn’t like roads…
especially Melbourne roads
I would say if you wanted to knock out Melbourne you’d cut the M80 but someone beat me to the punch – they never finished the M80 – the eastern section of Melbourne has been completely boned by enemy action
Date: 21/05/2015 19:53:30
From: Witty Rejoinder
ID: 726758
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
wookiemeister said:
I would say if you wanted to knock out Melbourne you’d cut the M80 but someone beat me to the punch – they never finished the M80 – the eastern section of Melbourne has been completely boned by enemy action
You must be one of the only people, including Melbournians, who knows the numerical designators of Melbourne’s freeways.
Date: 21/05/2015 19:55:16
From: wookiemeister
ID: 726759
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
Witty Rejoinder said:
wookiemeister said:
I would say if you wanted to knock out Melbourne you’d cut the M80 but someone beat me to the punch – they never finished the M80 – the eastern section of Melbourne has been completely boned by enemy action
You must be one of the only people, including Melbournians, who knows the numerical designators of Melbourne’s freeways.
its because I had to use them
from driving melbournes roads and seeing what they had done to the enemy in Melbourne I realised that the war in Syria would be won by simply allowing melbournes road planners to be let loose on the network – they would be gridlocked within days
Date: 21/05/2015 20:01:34
From: party_pants
ID: 726760
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
wookiemeister said:
cut the supplies from turkey and drive ISIS towards the Iraqi army
its true they will run away but you’ll be strafing all the way down the highway to baghdad
I wonder why that idea hasn’t occurred to the top brass yet. These professional career soldiers must be dumb-arses.
Date: 21/05/2015 20:05:48
From: CrazyNeutrino
ID: 726762
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
party_pants said:
wookiemeister said:
cut the supplies from turkey and drive ISIS towards the Iraqi army
its true they will run away but you’ll be strafing all the way down the highway to baghdad
I wonder why that idea hasn’t occurred to the top brass yet. These professional career soldiers must be dumb-arses.
Dont hear much news here about whats going on over there
Date: 21/05/2015 20:07:41
From: party_pants
ID: 726764
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
CrazyNeutrino said:
party_pants said:
wookiemeister said:
cut the supplies from turkey and drive ISIS towards the Iraqi army
its true they will run away but you’ll be strafing all the way down the highway to baghdad
I wonder why that idea hasn’t occurred to the top brass yet. These professional career soldiers must be dumb-arses.
Dont hear much news here about whats going on over there
They’re concentrationg on bull-dozsing all the important archeological sites.
Date: 21/05/2015 20:15:51
From: CrazyNeutrino
ID: 726765
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
party_pants said:
CrazyNeutrino said:
party_pants said:
I wonder why that idea hasn’t occurred to the top brass yet. These professional career soldiers must be dumb-arses.
Dont hear much news here about whats going on over there
They’re concentrationg on bull-dozsing all the important archeological sites.
They know how to fight wars
Date: 21/05/2015 21:58:45
From: Michael V
ID: 726798
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
After the road-bombing drones, use the water-bombing drones. As everybody knows, it’s impossible to drive in a desert without rain.
Date: 21/05/2015 21:59:45
From: Michael V
ID: 726799
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
Michael V said:
After the road-bombing drones, use the water-bombing drones. As everybody knows, it’s impossible to drive in a desert without after rain. (sigh)
Date: 22/05/2015 17:51:23
From: wookiemeister
ID: 727167
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/05/21/world/middleeast/how-isis-expands.html
An ISIS-financed construction crew builds roads in Syria on May 19.
I wonder why isis is so keen to make sure the roads are so well maintained – it must be their love for roads Shirley?
have a look at the map of isis control – can you see how ISIS feeds off the Turkish border
can you see how the main arterial routes come from one place and then extend to the east and south?
can you see how cutting the arterial flow to the south and east would deliver a knock out blow to the logistics of the operation?
Date: 22/05/2015 17:53:31
From: Peak Warming Man
ID: 727168
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
I wouldn’t be surprised if Russia has troops on the ground in Syria soon, I don’t think they will let it fall to the goons.
Date: 22/05/2015 17:55:36
From: wookiemeister
ID: 727170
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
Peak Warming Man said:
I wouldn’t be surprised if Russia has troops on the ground in Syria soon, I don’t think they will let it fall to the goons.
a red storm rushing down to fill into Syria
if they had taken my advice months ago ISIS wouldn’t even exist now
take control of the roads , take control of isis
its a fragile entity because it cant survive without perhaps 5 major roads
just think – if they cut those roads I outlined above the war would be over in weeks
Date: 22/05/2015 18:00:03
From: transition
ID: 727172
Subject: re: ISIS to destroy palmyra
>..the war would be over in weeks..”
that’ve been another, different war i’d reckon