I wonder if it’s possible for an artificial intelligence to emerge from the vast ocean of digitial information and computer networks that exist in the world without any human intervention. We don’t know how life first began on Earth so I wonder if this could happen in digital form.
Cymek said:
I wonder if it’s possible for an artificial intelligence to emerge from the vast ocean of digitial information and computer networks that exist in the world without any human intervention. We don’t know how life first began on Earth so I wonder if this could happen in digital form.
How did humans evolve without any human intervention?
Cymek said:
I wonder if it’s possible for an artificial intelligence to emerge from the vast ocean of digitial information and computer networks that exist in the world without any human intervention. We don’t know how life first began on Earth so I wonder if this could happen in digital form.
I cant believe we did it ourselves
CrazyNeutrino said:
Cymek said:
I wonder if it’s possible for an artificial intelligence to emerge from the vast ocean of digitial information and computer networks that exist in the world without any human intervention. We don’t know how life first began on Earth so I wonder if this could happen in digital form.
I cant believe we did it ourselves
but there is it, we did it ourselves
CrazyNeutrino said:
Cymek said:
I wonder if it’s possible for an artificial intelligence to emerge from the vast ocean of digitial information and computer networks that exist in the world without any human intervention. We don’t know how life first began on Earth so I wonder if this could happen in digital form.
How did humans evolve without any human intervention?
Artificial insemination by God?. Sorry I mentioned that now some silly buggers will promote and sell that.
I wonder if we would even recognise a digitial entity at work
Cymek said:
I wonder if we would even recognise a digitial entity at work
Peak Warming Man said:
Cymek said:
I wonder if we would even recognise a digitial entity at work
Alex is doing that all the tim+e at work.
>I wonder if it’s possible for an artificial intelligence to emerge from the vast ocean of digitial information and computer networks that exist in the world without any human intervention. We don’t know how life first began on Earth so I wonder if this could happen in digital form.
breaking it down
DNA etc is sort of digital, involves encoding and decoding, quite high-fidelity, + variations
it’s difficult to conceive of an artificial intelligence (do you mean awareness/consciousness?) emerging sort of without human intervention, I suppose you mean unintended? An accident.
But you’re talking of some sort of emergent thing, the genesis of which is an accident, but given how much human input there is into it all (including intelligences, and attempts at building awarenesses), it’d be difficult to differentiate happened upon itself from accidental or incidental to whatever humans do.
are there new combinations of data and tools out there happening, that get tried and tested, that are part of a replicator (like happens in biological life, and the minds of humans), that is the tornado going through the junk yard and assembling an aeroplane.
I don’t know.
just a hunch, but get the idea some of human consciousness is generated courtesy being aware what isn’t‘n what is not happening, a product of surplus mental capacity operating in some mostly inhibitory mode. It’s what gives us the ‘big screen’ projection(imagination), the executive voice, and internal monologue.
something along the lines of surplus capacity over the top of the usual correspondence between senses, that allows mix’n match and try and test.
but ol’s waffling.
Cymek said:
I wonder if it’s possible for an artificial intelligence to emerge from the vast ocean of digitial information and computer networks that exist in the world without any human intervention. We don’t know how life first began on Earth so I wonder if this could happen in digital form.
Probably.
Should we be worried about it?
Probably.
CrazyNeutrino said:
Cymek said:
I wonder if it’s possible for an artificial intelligence to emerge from the vast ocean of digitial information and computer networks that exist in the world without any human intervention. We don’t know how life first began on Earth so I wonder if this could happen in digital form.
How did humans evolve without any human intervention?
They evolved with the aid of pre-human intervention.
and some non-human intervention maybe.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Cymek said:
I wonder if it’s possible for an artificial intelligence to emerge from the vast ocean of digitial information and computer networks that exist in the world without any human intervention. We don’t know how life first began on Earth so I wonder if this could happen in digital form.
Probably.
Should we be worried about it?
Probably.
Asmiov clearly thought it was.
The Rev Dodgson said:
CrazyNeutrino said:
Cymek said:
I wonder if it’s possible for an artificial intelligence to emerge from the vast ocean of digitial information and computer networks that exist in the world without any human intervention. We don’t know how life first began on Earth so I wonder if this could happen in digital form.
How did humans evolve without any human intervention?
They evolved with the aid of pre-human intervention.
TARDIS.
Spontaneous emergence of AI by an natural selection evolutionary type process is very unlikely. There is not enough diversity in computer hardware or software to promote any kind of natural evolution.
Someone has to say it.
The Skynet Funding Bill is passed. The system goes on-line August 4th, 1997. Human decisions are removed from strategic defense. Skynet begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, August 29th. In a panic, they try to pull the plug.
esselte said:
Spontaneous emergence of AI by an natural selection evolutionary type process is very unlikely. There is not enough diversity in computer hardware or software to promote any kind of natural evolution.
Evolution by meme generation + guided selection + natural selection is a very process from random variation + natural selection
Also the complexity and diversity of computer hardware and software is still rapidly increasing.
The Rev Dodgson said:
esselte said:
Spontaneous emergence of AI by an natural selection evolutionary type process is very unlikely. There is not enough diversity in computer hardware or software to promote any kind of natural evolution.Evolution by meme generation + guided selection + natural selection is a very process from random variation + natural selection
Also the complexity and diversity of computer hardware and software is still rapidly increasing.
Insert “different” where appropriate.
Cymek said:
I wonder if it’s possible for an artificial intelligence to emerge from the vast ocean of digitial information and computer networks that exist in the world without any human intervention. We don’t know how life first began on Earth so I wonder if this could happen in digital form.
It already has. It’s called a computer worm.
Consider the requirements for a lifeform:
. Reproduction
. Mutation
. Assimilation
. Death
A computer worm fits those requirements. A “joke” also satisfies those requirements.
You may argue that a computer worm requires human intervention, but not necessarily. Even if all humans died off, some computer worms would continue to reproduce, mutate, assimilate and die. I also hold to the opinion that even if a human mind is necessary, it is just another piece of hardware host.
Long live Stuxnet.
mollwollfumble said:
Cymek said:
I wonder if it’s possible for an artificial intelligence to emerge from the vast ocean of digitial information and computer networks that exist in the world without any human intervention. We don’t know how life first began on Earth so I wonder if this could happen in digital form.
It already has. It’s called a computer worm.
Consider the requirements for a lifeform:
. Reproduction
. Mutation
. Assimilation
. DeathA computer worm fits those requirements. A “joke” also satisfies those requirements.
You may argue that a computer worm requires human intervention, but not necessarily. Even if all humans died off, some computer worms would continue to reproduce, mutate, assimilate and die. I also hold to the opinion that even if a human mind is necessary, it is just another piece of hardware host.
Long live Stuxnet.
Interesting; hadn’t heard of Stuxnet.
If all humans died off over the space of a week, say (perhaps from a virulent disease contacted from dirty telephones), how long could a computer worm survive?
Perhaps not that long right now, but in the not too distant future I imagine that computers would have sufficient intelligence and connectivity to manage power supplies sufficient to keep them going for many years.
Perhaps long enough to allow them to maintain, replace and develop the power supplies to allow them to continue indefinitely.
There is nothing spontaneous about Stuxnet
We’re probably one big petri dish experiment being monitored by scientists anyway.
Scientists 1: They are starting to communicate and ask questions about their existence, might be time to end the experiment.
Scientist 2: No The Comptroller said to send someone down there to explain a few things and placate them for a while Michael, he wants another 5000 years out of this experiment.
Peak Warming Man said:
We’re probably one big petri dish experiment being monitored by scientists anyway.Scientists 1: They are starting to communicate and ask questions about their existence, might be time to end the experiment.
Scientist 2: No The Comptroller said to send someone down there to explain a few things and placate them for a while Michael, he wants another 5000 years out of this experiment.
The Rev Dodgson said:
Stuxnet was the malware that infected the controllers for the centrifuges of the Iran nuclear program, it’s origins were unknown but its sophistication highly suggest a government agency (most likely the USA)
mollwollfumble said:
Cymek said:
I wonder if it’s possible for an artificial intelligence to emerge from the vast ocean of digitial information and computer networks that exist in the world without any human intervention. We don’t know how life first began on Earth so I wonder if this could happen in digital form.
It already has. It’s called a computer worm.
Consider the requirements for a lifeform:
. Reproduction
. Mutation
. Assimilation
. DeathA computer worm fits those requirements. A “joke” also satisfies those requirements.
You may argue that a computer worm requires human intervention, but not necessarily. Even if all humans died off, some computer worms would continue to reproduce, mutate, assimilate and die. I also hold to the opinion that even if a human mind is necessary, it is just another piece of hardware host.
Long live Stuxnet.
Interesting; hadn’t heard of Stuxnet.
If all humans died off over the space of a week, say (perhaps from a virulent disease contacted from dirty telephones), how long could a computer worm survive?
Perhaps not that long right now, but in the not too distant future I imagine that computers would have sufficient intelligence and connectivity to manage power supplies sufficient to keep them going for many years.
Perhaps long enough to allow them to maintain, replace and develop the power supplies to allow them to continue indefinitely.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuxnet
The Rev Dodgson said:
Evolution by meme generation + guided selection + natural selection is a very process from random variation + natural selection
I wouldn’t call anything with guided selection in it “spontaneous” though.
Also the complexity and diversity of computer hardware and software is still rapidly increasing.
Is it? I would expect if this were so, computer viruses would be becoming less effective. Everything these days, AFAIK, is pretty much Windows and some version of C working on Intel or AMD architecture. Alternative operating systems, programming languages or chip architecture remain fringe elements which don’t interact well enough with the paradigm to allow for any type of natural selection.