https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/28274353/police-shoot-dead-suicidal-man/

So is this is what is known as a “Win/win” situation?

Suicide and attempted suicide are not illegal*. However assisting someone is a crime and if you’re a survivor of a suicide pact you may be charged as well.

*At least not in NSW and Victoria.

Have an annoying situation here.
It is illegal for nurses to administer life-saving medicine.
It is illegal for a person not medically trained to help a troubled person with their medications.
In both cases it is not illegal to cause death by culpable negligence.

mollwollfumble said:

Have an annoying situation here.
It is illegal for nurses to administer life-saving medicine.
It is illegal for a person not medically trained to help a troubled person with their medications.
In both cases it is not illegal to cause death by culpable negligence.

I would write a letter to both your local state member and federal member or pop in to see them for advice

ask around the legal fraternity

first pop in to legal aid and get their opinion

retired judges

I would also seek advice from prominent solicitors

but ideas need to be discovered to address the issue properly

can technology play any part, Im thinking a video connection to a doctor that the nurse can interact with over a smart phone that also interacts with a device to monitor life signs

and any appropriate training

there would need to be a number of doctors available on line, perhaps these doctors could be given other on line roles?

it seems to me that the situation itself can lead to someones death

CrazyNeutrino said:

mollwollfumble said:

Have an annoying situation here.
It is illegal for nurses to administer life-saving medicine.
It is illegal for a person not medically trained to help a troubled person with their medications.
In both cases it is not illegal to cause death by culpable negligence.

I would write a letter to both your local state member and federal member or pop in to see them for advice

ask around the legal fraternity

first pop in to legal aid and get their opinion

retired judges

I would also seek advice from prominent solicitors

but ideas need to be discovered to address the issue properly

can technology play any part, Im thinking a video connection to a doctor that the nurse can interact with over a smart phone that also interacts with a device to monitor life signs

and any appropriate training

there would need to be a number of doctors available on line, perhaps these doctors could be given other on line roles?

it seems to me that the situation itself can lead to someones death

talk to a number of different doctors not involved with your situation, see if they can offer advice

>In both cases it is not illegal to cause death by culpable negligence.

related, the defense, if ever needed, that whatever (insert example) weren’t authorized not to consider and do something, ought be a substantial starting point (of and acting on personal discretion), but it doesn’t go well with the mostly informal aspects of behaviour controls and ideological controls, certainly not when it (insert your own imaginary example) is brought more into the formal field.

formalisms like the law, too the informal aspects of ideology, don’t just have about them sort of workings that prescribe who’s is reponsible for what, they too limit responsibilities, keeping the wheels greased, helping all sleep at night, so that every moment each of us don’t feel overburdened with responsibilities.

It would be alright to have an smartphone app that i can make an appointment with the doctor for issues that don’t require going to the doctor directly

>It would be alright to have an smartphone app that i can make an appointment with the doctor for issues that don’t require going to the doctor directly

you shall not be deprived of opportunities to get influenza
medicalization, witch doctors, they’ve always had power

transition said:

>It would be alright to have an smartphone app that i can make an appointment with the doctor for issues that don’t require going to the doctor directly

you shall not be deprived of opportunities to get influenza
medicalization, witch doctors, they’ve always had power

the app would be designed to save people and doctors time

the app could also be designed to involve other parties like family members, spouse,

in mollwollfumble ‘s case he is caring for a family member, so for people caring for others, the ability to access such an app would be a relief

no unnecessary trips to the doctor would reduce fuel and travel costs

saves time

mollwollfumble said:

Have an annoying situation here.
It is illegal for nurses to administer life-saving medicine.
It is illegal for a person not medically trained to help a troubled person with their medications.
In both cases it is not illegal to cause death by culpable negligence.

doesn’t sound right to me.. both here and in the rural hospital in tas, there’s an oncall dr who has the call as to what the nurses can and can’t administer.

I’d say your argument would be with him/her and if they are denying ‘life-saving medicine’ it falls squarely on their shoulders, they should be reported to the board and dealt with accordingly

CrazyNeutrino said:

transition said:

>It would be alright to have an smartphone app that i can make an appointment with the doctor for issues that don’t require going to the doctor directly

you shall not be deprived of opportunities to get influenza
medicalization, witch doctors, they’ve always had power

the app would be designed to save people and doctors time

the app could also be designed to involve other parties like family members, spouse,

in mollwollfumble ‘s case he is caring for a family member, so for people caring for others, the ability to access such an app would be a relief

no unnecessary trips to the doctor would reduce fuel and travel costs

saves time

you could also have

bluetooth fitted weight device,
bluetooth fitted blood pressure device
bluetooth fitted heat rate device

that feed details straight into the app for all to see

stumpy_seahorse said:

mollwollfumble said:

Have an annoying situation here.
It is illegal for nurses to administer life-saving medicine.
It is illegal for a person not medically trained to help a troubled person with their medications.
In both cases it is not illegal to cause death by culpable negligence.

doesn’t sound right to me.. both here and in the rural hospital in tas, there’s an oncall dr who has the call as to what the nurses can and can’t administer.

I’d say your argument would be with him/her and if they are denying ‘life-saving medicine’ it falls squarely on their shoulders, they should be reported to the board and dealt with accordingly

The laws are most likely different in each State

CrazyNeutrino said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

mollwollfumble said:

Have an annoying situation here.
It is illegal for nurses to administer life-saving medicine.
It is illegal for a person not medically trained to help a troubled person with their medications.
In both cases it is not illegal to cause death by culpable negligence.

doesn’t sound right to me.. both here and in the rural hospital in tas, there’s an oncall dr who has the call as to what the nurses can and can’t administer.

I’d say your argument would be with him/her and if they are denying ‘life-saving medicine’ it falls squarely on their shoulders, they should be reported to the board and dealt with accordingly

The laws are most likely different in each State

why would that be?

stumpy_seahorse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

doesn’t sound right to me.. both here and in the rural hospital in tas, there’s an oncall dr who has the call as to what the nurses can and can’t administer.

I’d say your argument would be with him/her and if they are denying ‘life-saving medicine’ it falls squarely on their shoulders, they should be reported to the board and dealt with accordingly

The laws are most likely different in each State

why would that be?

are state laws all the same now?

CrazyNeutrino said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

The laws are most likely different in each State

why would that be?

are state laws all the same now?

ftr, this is the case in NSW, Tas and SA, Alex should be able to confirm the same in Vic and Qld.

Not sure where Moll is, or the type of hospital he is dealing with, but nursing standards are pretty uniform Australia wide

Have an annoying situation here.
It is illegal for nurses to administer life-saving medicine.
It is illegal for a person not medically trained to help a troubled person with their medications.
In both cases it is not illegal to cause death by culpable negligence.

that situation can lead to someone’s death

stumpy_seahorse said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

stumpy_seahorse said:

why would that be?

are state laws all the same now?

ftr, this is the case in NSW, Tas and SA, Alex should be able to confirm the same in Vic and Qld.

Not sure where Moll is, or the type of hospital he is dealing with, but nursing standards are pretty uniform Australia wide

ok, Im not sure where Moll lives either

CrazyNeutrino said:

Have an annoying situation here.
It is illegal for nurses to administer life-saving medicine.
It is illegal for a person not medically trained to help a troubled person with their medications.
In both cases it is not illegal to cause death by culpable negligence.

that situation can lead to someone’s death

the only negligence the nurse can commit is to A) not follow the Doctor’s orders, or B) not bring the situation to the Drs attention.

Both would result in action being taken against the nurse..

bob(from black rock) said:

So is this is what is known as a “Win/win” situation?

Well the cops did stop him from committing suicide.