Researchers Are Finally Studying the Other Chemical in Pot

People have been growing and smoking marijuana for thousands of years, but it wasn’t until 1964 that anyone knew why it got you high. That year, the Israeli chemist Raphael Mechoulam isolated tetrahydrocannabinol, better known as THC, and went on to do groundbreaking studies on how and why marijuana affects the brain. But all along, he had his eye on another of cannabis’ chemical components, one that he had discovered a year before: cannabidiol, or CBD.

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Great and its about time too

CBD is my favorite chemical atm

but wait, they are 74 known cannabinoids in cannabis

Cannabinoids are a class of diverse chemical compounds that act on cannabinoid receptors on cells that repress neurotransmitter release in the brain

so thats a lot of pot-ential research

I wish they’d eradicate the chemical that makes people snort when they laugh.

Perhaps you should stay off of the narcotics for reasons that are quite obvious to regulars

Dropbear said:

Perhaps you should stay off of the narcotics for reasons that are quite obvious to regulars

Thousands of people should stay of alcohol products that are available all over the place

Do alcohol products carry a health warning about what damage alcohol usage can do to long term usage on the body and all the street, club and domestic violence that can happen has a result of drunk behavior, a drug that lowers peoples intelligence and can cause fights to break out

alcohol products should carry a health warning similar to cigarettes

May cause an escalation in domestic violence
May cause rational to be lowered
may cause kidney and liver decease
may cause reflux
may cause dizziness while driving
may cause a car crash if consumed too much
etc

http://www.healthline.com/health/alcohol/effects-on-body

http://www.bbc.com/news/health-15114325

from the above link

‘Alcohol more harmful than heroin or crack’

Alcohol is undoubtedly a public health issue too.

Earlier this year, NHS figures showed that alcohol-related hospital admissions has reached record levels in 2010. Over a million people were admitted in 2009-10, compared with 945,500 in 2008-09 and 510,800 in 2002-03. Nearly two in three of those cases were men.

At the same time the charity Alcohol Concern predicted the number of admissions would reach 1.5m a year by 2015 and cost the NHS £3.7bn a year.

Last year, a study in The Lancet concluded that alcohol is more harmful than heroin or crack when the overall dangers to the individual and society are considered.

The study by the Independent Scientific Committee on Drugs also ranked alcohol as three times more harmful than cocaine or tobacco because it is so widely used.

so in England over a million people were admitted with alcohol-related problems

what is the figure for cannabis admissions

I agree with CN that alcohol abuse is an issue that is not taken seriously enough in this country.

dv said:

I agree with CN that alcohol abuse is an issue that is not taken seriously enough in this country.

IKR

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5mBShX9fdU

dv said:

I agree with CN that alcohol abuse is an issue that is not taken seriously enough in this country.

UWOTM8?

I can do good research when I’m stoned

In my cert 4 in computing I got a credit for database programming, most of which I did when stoned at home

Music is much better to listen to when stoned

Movies are better as well

I can drink a standard drink or two a day without exhibiting obvious traits of an alcoholic.. That’s the difference

Dropbear said:

dv said:

I agree with CN that alcohol abuse is an issue that is not taken seriously enough in this country.

UWOTM8?

Its something I would put next to Domestic Violence as an issue to address seeing a lot of violence comes from alcohol

Dope is as carcinogenic as tobacco if not more so.
Dope has added adverse mental implications.

I’ve got no problems with people using it, no problems at all, however I do have a problem with people who go around pretending it’s harmless.

dv said:

I agree with CN that alcohol abuse is an issue that is not taken seriously enough in this country.

No because its an Australian past time to get pissed

Dropbear said:

I can drink a standard drink or two a day without exhibiting obvious traits of an alcoholic.. That’s the difference

If you can control it thats good

I know lots of people and relatives that cannot

I see their emotion control drop, i see their ability to rationalize things drop

their bragging goes up

emotional violence goes up

they will drag up negative issues, display aggression, become more sexist, become more racist etc

this is a regular pattern for some I observe in the family

Cymek said:

dv said:

I agree with CN that alcohol abuse is an issue that is not taken seriously enough in this country.

No because its an Australian past time to get pissed

I can enjoy a drink or two with no intention on getting drunk. No one injects the marajuanas without the intention of getting high

I used to be a massive stoner but dislike it’s effects now and wouldn’t use it again

those issues are still there without the alcohol. maybe they should actually do something so that they don’t have these issues.

Dropbear said:

Cymek said:

dv said:

I agree with CN that alcohol abuse is an issue that is not taken seriously enough in this country.

No because its an Australian past time to get pissed

I can enjoy a drink or two with no intention on getting drunk. No one injects the marajuanas without the intention of getting high

Yes but doesn’t Australia culture seem allow off ya face drunk as an acceptable past time, less so now but in the not so long ago past it was almost encouraged

Peak Warming Man said:

Dope is as carcinogenic as tobacco if not more so.
Dope has added adverse mental implications.

I’ve got no problems with people using it, no problems at all, however I do have a problem with people who go around pretending it’s harmless.

What PWM said.

Anyway each to their own in regards to recreational drug use, if you aren’t doing harm to others why discriminate

Peak Warming Man said:

Dope is as carcinogenic as tobacco if not more so.
Dope has added adverse mental implications.

I’ve got no problems with people using it, no problems at all, however I do have a problem with people who go around pretending it’s harmless.

I have problems with it, Id rather not smoke it for one

Medical cannabis it should have similar restrictions just like other pharmaceutical drugs

Thats here i would like to get it from

If it was available as a mouth spray I would use it

no more preparation, no more mess, no more smoking

Illegality shouldn’t prevent a substance being tested to see if it has medicinal benefits, it would be very short-sighted to do so

CrazyNeutrino said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Dope is as carcinogenic as tobacco if not more so.
Dope has added adverse mental implications.

I’ve got no problems with people using it, no problems at all, however I do have a problem with people who go around pretending it’s harmless.

I have problems with it, Id rather not smoke it for one

Medical cannabis it should have similar restrictions just like other pharmaceutical drugs

Thats here i would like to get it from

If it was available as a mouth spray I would use it

no more preparation, no more mess, no more smoking

Medicinal marijuana is not about getting your stone on.

CrazyNeutrino said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Dope is as carcinogenic as tobacco if not more so.
Dope has added adverse mental implications.

I’ve got no problems with people using it, no problems at all, however I do have a problem with people who go around pretending it’s harmless.

I have problems with it, Id rather not smoke it for one

Medical cannabis it should have similar restrictions just like other pharmaceutical drugs

Thats here i would like to get it from

If it was available as a mouth spray I would use it

no more preparation, no more mess, no more smoking

You can cook it and the effects are more mellow and last longer

Cymek said:

Anyway each to their own in regards to recreational drug use, if you aren’t doing harm to others why discriminate

Ah well, I’d easily put alcohol and cannabis in a different category from hard drugs.

You can drink or use marijuana in moderation all your life without wrecking the mind or body.

Or you can get drunk or stoned one day and prang your car and kill someone, or you can drink too much or smoke too much weed and do serious damage to your mind and body. The risks are serious, and need to be taken seriously, without requiring prohibition.

Whereas I don’t think there are people who have been doing meth daily for years and have come out okay.

Well, they’ll stone ya when you’re trying to be so good
They’ll stone ya just a-like they said they would
They’ll stone ya when you’re tryin’ to go home
Then they’ll stone ya when you’re there all alone
But I would not feel so all alone
Everybody must get stoned.

AwesomeO said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

Peak Warming Man said:

Dope is as carcinogenic as tobacco if not more so.
Dope has added adverse mental implications.

I’ve got no problems with people using it, no problems at all, however I do have a problem with people who go around pretending it’s harmless.

I have problems with it, Id rather not smoke it for one

Medical cannabis it should have similar restrictions just like other pharmaceutical drugs

Thats here i would like to get it from

If it was available as a mouth spray I would use it

no more preparation, no more mess, no more smoking

Medicinal marijuana is not about getting your stone on.

Medical cannabis is about a substance that can relieve people of medical conditions.

from the op article

Pertwee listed for me the conditions CDB has shown some promise for treating: in addition to schizophrenia,
there’s anxiety, depression, nausea and vomiting, certain types of pain, stroke, morphine dependency, Parkinson’s disease, Huntington’s disease, neurodegenerative disorders, epilepsy, cancer, diabetes, osteoporosis, inflammatory bowel disease, psoriasis, and arthritis.

for me it helps with anger, depression, self chatter, reduction in suicidal thoughts, pain relief, stress relief, loneliness relief,

another thing I noticed was I had some RSI damage from too much computer typing, I can touch type fast

I had some muscular pulsing happen as a result of the RSI, muscular pulsing in both biceps , this would happen when I lifted heavy objects

the Cannabis took the muscular pulsing away, I think its related to reducing elliptic fits in that in can somehow calm the nervous system down.

dv said:

Cymek said:

Anyway each to their own in regards to recreational drug use, if you aren’t doing harm to others why discriminate

Ah well, I’d easily put alcohol and cannabis in a different category from hard drugs.

You can drink or use marijuana in moderation all your life without wrecking the mind or body.

Or you can get drunk or stoned one day and prang your car and kill someone, or you can drink too much or smoke too much weed and do serious damage to your mind and body. The risks are serious, and need to be taken seriously, without requiring prohibition.

Whereas I don’t think there are people who have been doing meth daily for years and have come out okay.

Its well known that people who do Meth look really bad

You were the one talking about getting your stone on. I as well love music, computer games and movies when stoned, but i don’t kid myself it is about medicinal reasons. Most people just want a legal high.

AwesomeO said:

You were the one talking about getting your stone on. I as well love music, computer games and movies when stoned, but i don’t kid myself it is about medicinal reasons. Most people just want a legal high.

I said my favorite is CBD not THC

CBD from

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabidiol

Cannabidiol (CBD) is one of at least 85 active cannabinoids identified in cannabis. It is a major phytocannabinoid, accounting for up to 40% of the plant’s extract. CBD is considered to have a wider scope of medical applications than tetrahydrocannabinol (THC). An orally-administered liquid containing CBD has received orphan drug status in the US, for use as a treatment for Dravet syndrome, under the brand name Epidiolex.

gone up to 85 now I noticed

THC is one of them

not my favorite one though

CrazyNeutrino said:

I can do good research when I’m stoned
…
Music is much better to listen to when stoned

Movies are better as well

I would call that getting your stone on.

AwesomeO said:

CrazyNeutrino said:

I can do good research when I’m stoned
…
Music is much better to listen to when stoned

Movies are better as well

I would call that getting your stone on.

for those times over the day, but not the whole day

I only listen to music a few times a week now

I dont watch TV

last movie I saw was Prometheus (DVD) two weeks ago

looking forwards to the DVD release of current SF movies showing

To me the real research is about knowing what all those 85 cannabinoids do

imagine 85 sliders on a control panel

you can turn each one up and down or turn the whole lot up or down or apply a specific pattern to the whole lot

knowing what happens for each one and the combined lot together presents great medical research opportunities

Forget dope and grog, it’s oxygen that’s the killer..

In humans, oxidative stress is thought to be involved in the development of cancer, Parkinson’s disease, Alzheimer’s disease, atherosclerosis, heart failure, myocardial infarction, fragile X syndrome, Sickle Cell Disease, lichen planus, vitiligo, autism, infection, and chronic fatigue syndrome. However, reactive oxygen species can be beneficial, as they are used by the immune system as a way to attack and kill pathogens. Short-term oxidative stress may also be important in prevention of aging by induction of a process named mitohormesis.

So have another hit
Of fresh air
Oh yeah

>Forget dope and grog, it’s oxygen that’s the killer..

It’s also highly addictive.

Anybody that has ever lived, and then dies has breathed oxygen. So don’t breath oxygen

bob(from black rock) said:

Anybody that has ever lived, and then dies has breathed oxygen.

Incorrect.

dv said:

bob(from black rock) said:

Anybody that has ever lived, and then dies has breathed oxygen.

Incorrect.

OK I give in.

Now here’s a thing.
In Star Trek has any of the aliens been portrayed wearing space suits in the Enterprise because of it’s atmosphere being hostile to them.
I mean atmosphere in it’s literal sense not the ambience given off by a brooding Kirk or an angry Worf or a smartarse Spock.

Ian said:

Forget dope and grog, it’s oxygen that’s the killer..

In humans, oxidative stress is thought to be involved in the development of cancer, Parkinson’s disease, Alzheimer’s disease, atherosclerosis, heart failure, myocardial infarction, fragile X syndrome, Sickle Cell Disease, lichen planus, vitiligo, autism, infection, and chronic fatigue syndrome. However, reactive oxygen species can be beneficial, as they are used by the immune system as a way to attack and kill pathogens. Short-term oxidative stress may also be important in prevention of aging by induction of a process named mitohormesis.

So have another hit
Of fresh air
Oh yeah

Cough
Mouth spray
Cough

Mouth spray would be much better than smoke

agreed

Peak Warming Man said:

Now here’s a thing.
In Star Trek has any of the aliens been portrayed wearing space suits in the Enterprise because of it’s atmosphere being hostile to them.
I mean atmosphere in it’s literal sense not the ambience given off by a brooding Kirk or an angry Worf or a smartarse Spock.

Star Trek is not great in terms of that kind of thing.

Peak Warming Man said:

Now here’s a thing.
In Star Trek has any of the aliens been portrayed wearing space suits in the Enterprise because of it’s atmosphere being hostile to them.
I mean atmosphere in it’s literal sense not the ambience given off by a brooding Kirk or an angry Worf or a smartarse Spock.

not many, I would say as quick glance over the topic shows no star trek aliens in space suits

Exocomps may be a candidate

many people become addicted to marijuana

some of them turn into these vegetables or have problems stringing a sentence together

like alcohol, some can use it with no real problems – others should never use it

Garak arriving at Empok Nor

wookiemeister said:

many people become addicted to marijuana

some of them turn into these vegetables or have problems stringing a sentence together

like alcohol, some can use it with no real problems – others should never use it

yes
maybe
yes

Dropbear said:

Perhaps you should stay off of the narcotics for reasons that are quite obvious to regulars

Pot isn’t narcotic.

Dropbear said:

Cymek said:

dv said:

I agree with CN that alcohol abuse is an issue that is not taken seriously enough in this country.

No because its an Australian past time to get pissed

I can enjoy a drink or two with no intention on getting drunk. No one injects the marajuanas without the intention of getting high

Injects marijuanas?

AwesomeO said:

You were the one talking about getting your stone on. I as well love music, computer games and movies when stoned, but i don’t kid myself it is about medicinal reasons. Most people just want a legal high.

But you just said that medical marijuana(misnomer) doesn’t get you high. Let’s be real. CBD isn’t marijuana. It is a cannabinoid.

wookiemeister said:

many people become addicted to marijuana

Technically, no.

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

many people become addicted to marijuana

Technically, no.

it must be a wonder drug then

younger people will tend to get into drugs if there is a disruptive influence in their lives be it “friends”, family or they are in some dodgy situation. this dabbling continued through out their life.

why do people take drugs ?

because they are unhappy

wookiemeister said:

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

many people become addicted to marijuana

Technically, no.

it must be a wonder drug then

No. It is simply the definition of addiction.

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

roughbarked said:

Technically, no.

it must be a wonder drug then

No. It is simply the definition of addiction.

In what sense?

monkey skipper said:

roughbarked said:

wookiemeister said:

it must be a wonder drug then

No. It is simply the definition of addiction.

In what sense?

Physical addiction as per mental dependence.

roughbarked said:

monkey skipper said:

roughbarked said:

No. It is simply the definition of addiction.

In what sense?

Physical addiction as per mental dependence.

There are heaps of people out there who are mentally dependent on cannabis but won’t smoke it without tobacco. They are physically addicted to tobacco. They smoke cannabis in tobacco all day.
There are still many who won’t smoke tobacco and cannabis in the same pipe or joint. They may have cannabis once in any day or week or year but not chain smoked like the above.
There are others who don’t smoke tobacco but will every once in a while have a smoke of marijuana.
I haven’t heard of anyone injecting cannabis.

Anyway. It has been known for a good while that CBD isn’t the psychoactive ingredient as much as THC is known to be., That CBD is the most useful in pain management. Thus of the cannabinoids, research has been done into the medical cannabinoid (CBD) for pain relief. Why THC isn’t considered useful for psychosis research is a wonder. Then we go on to CBN. All three of these are major ingredients of hashish and hash oil or cannabis resin. The reason for this is that CBD and CBN levels are increased by damaging or degrading the THC component.

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

monkey skipper said:

In what sense?

Physical addiction as per mental dependence.

There are heaps of people out there who are mentally dependent on cannabis but won’t smoke it without tobacco. They are physically addicted to tobacco. They smoke cannabis in tobacco all day.
There are still many who won’t smoke tobacco and cannabis in the same pipe or joint. They may have cannabis once in any day or week or year but not chain smoked like the above.
There are others who don’t smoke tobacco but will every once in a while have a smoke of marijuana.
I haven’t heard of anyone injecting cannabis.

Alcohol consumption can be similar though, in the sense that some people will have alcohol on special occasions only, where as other people have varying amount of alcohol. For an individual though, with regards to pot of alcohol , what occurs when the person attempts to abstain is more telling about how affected and perhaps addicted they may actually be. I think often people have focussed on certain numbers and amounts meaning the safety number and not. Medical risks aside (although important) I would suggest how the person can stop having something is more indicative of addiction or not.

Then the health risks associated the person’s choice and amount of consumption become relevant.

monkey skipper said:

roughbarked said:

roughbarked said:

Physical addiction as per mental dependence.

There are heaps of people out there who are mentally dependent on cannabis but won’t smoke it without tobacco. They are physically addicted to tobacco. They smoke cannabis in tobacco all day.
There are still many who won’t smoke tobacco and cannabis in the same pipe or joint. They may have cannabis once in any day or week or year but not chain smoked like the above.
There are others who don’t smoke tobacco but will every once in a while have a smoke of marijuana.
I haven’t heard of anyone injecting cannabis.

Alcohol consumption can be similar though, in the sense that some people will have alcohol on special occasions only, where as other people have varying amount of alcohol. For an individual though, with regards to pot of alcohol , what occurs when the person attempts to abstain is more telling about how affected and perhaps addicted they may actually be. I think often people have focussed on certain numbers and amounts meaning the safety number and not. Medical risks aside (although important) I would suggest how the person can stop having something is more indicative of addiction or not.

Then the health risks associated the person’s choice and amount of consumption become relevant.

Strangely enough, nicotine is considered physically addictive and yet the only real way of quitting is to train the brain to stop wanting it. It does become a matter of mind over matter. It is the brain that asks for more nicotine.

In the case of cannabis, it is always a case of take it or lkeave it. Most people who try it don’t really care to do it every day or every week maybe not even every year. It should be remarkable that of a 100% sample of previous cannabis users or tryers, only 10% or less, continue to use it for longer periods.

This is never the case with alcohol or tobacco.

In the case of some people only drinking alcohol on special occasions, have you not noted that humans seem to want to keep making a special occasion out of everything and make alcohol a requirement for all special occasions. These people are fooling themselves to suggest they aren’t addicted. Society builds itself around special occasions that have alcohol present.

roughbarked said:

monkey skipper said:

roughbarked said:

There are heaps of people out there who are mentally dependent on cannabis but won’t smoke it without tobacco. They are physically addicted to tobacco. They smoke cannabis in tobacco all day.
There are still many who won’t smoke tobacco and cannabis in the same pipe or joint. They may have cannabis once in any day or week or year but not chain smoked like the above.
There are others who don’t smoke tobacco but will every once in a while have a smoke of marijuana.
I haven’t heard of anyone injecting cannabis.

Alcohol consumption can be similar though, in the sense that some people will have alcohol on special occasions only, where as other people have varying amount of alcohol. For an individual though, with regards to pot of alcohol , what occurs when the person attempts to abstain is more telling about how affected and perhaps addicted they may actually be. I think often people have focussed on certain numbers and amounts meaning the safety number and not. Medical risks aside (although important) I would suggest how the person can stop having something is more indicative of addiction or not.

Then the health risks associated the person’s choice and amount of consumption become relevant.

Strangely enough, nicotine is considered physically addictive and yet the only real way of quitting is to train the brain to stop wanting it. It does become a matter of mind over matter. It is the brain that asks for more nicotine.

In the case of cannabis, it is always a case of take it or lkeave it. Most people who try it don’t really care to do it every day or every week maybe not even every year. It should be remarkable that of a 100% sample of previous cannabis users or tryers, only 10% or less, continue to use it for longer periods.

This is never the case with alcohol or tobacco.

10% would be a lot of people in numbers presumably?

Nicotine changes the structure of the brain and constructs or perhaps forges the additional connections of the additional neural transmitters, therefore altering the neural structure of the brain.

monkey skipper said:

10% would be a lot of people in numbers presumably?

Nicotine changes the structure of the brain and constructs or perhaps forges the additional connections of the additional neural transmitters, therefore altering the neural structure of the brain.

Yes. 10% is 10% of the population of Australia.
Yes. that is what nicotine does and why the brain once having had it, wants more. The body would normally reject nicotine otherwise.

In the case of alcohol the brain has no control at all.

monkey skipper said:

roughbarked said:

monkey skipper said:

Alcohol consumption can be similar though, in the sense that some people will have alcohol on special occasions only, where as other people have varying amount of alcohol. For an individual though, with regards to pot of alcohol , what occurs when the person attempts to abstain is more telling about how affected and perhaps addicted they may actually be. I think often people have focussed on certain numbers and amounts meaning the safety number and not. Medical risks aside (although important) I would suggest how the person can stop having something is more indicative of addiction or not.

Then the health risks associated the person’s choice and amount of consumption become relevant.

Strangely enough, nicotine is considered physically addictive and yet the only real way of quitting is to train the brain to stop wanting it. It does become a matter of mind over matter. It is the brain that asks for more nicotine.

In the case of cannabis, it is always a case of take it or lkeave it. Most people who try it don’t really care to do it every day or every week maybe not even every year. It should be remarkable that of a 100% sample of previous cannabis users or tryers, only 10% or less, continue to use it for longer periods.

This is never the case with alcohol or tobacco.

10% would be a lot of people in numbers presumably?

Nicotine changes the structure of the brain and constructs or perhaps forges the additional connections of the additional neural transmitters, therefore altering the neural structure of the brain.

A big point of concern to factor in would be. Currently alcohol and nicotine consumption is not illegal in Australia (not true for the world) and the usage of marijuana is legally permitted for recreational purposes.

There are people within the community whom will not use marijuana due to the legal penalty attached …therefore the magnitude of usage cannot be truly understood or how many people in the populace would choose to use marijuana or how profound the impact may or may not be as has been evident with alcohol and nicotine.

Not all people will disclose their marijuana usage and personal impacts for the fear of legal reprisals.

How do those differences get accounted for in such research projects?

My personal view is that the research could be biased due to lack of disclosure of the scope of usage.

People may not disclose the true amount they drink either but most people would at least disclose they smoke tobacco or alcohol.

Edits

and the usage of marijuana is NOT legally permitted for recreational purposes

roughbarked said:

monkey skipper said:

10% would be a lot of people in numbers presumably?

Nicotine changes the structure of the brain and constructs or perhaps forges the additional connections of the additional neural transmitters, therefore altering the neural structure of the brain.

Yes. 10% is 10% of the population of Australia.
Yes. that is what nicotine does and why the brain once having had it, wants more. The body would normally reject nicotine otherwise.

In the case of alcohol the brain has no control at all.

The brain has no control in the instance of alcohol?

I thought extended usage of alcohol suppresses a chemical being produced in the brain similar to longer term usages of vallium which suppresses a chemical in the brain with longer term usages and therefore there is point where alcohol consumption becomes a compulsion to satiate the imbalance within the brain chemistry?

NB I do not mean that the chemical for vallium and alcohol consumption are the same but rather the recognition that the long term usage of each can interrupt the brain hemistry which plays a significant role in the biological aspect of the addiction.

monkey skipper said:

A big point of concern to factor in would be. Currently alcohol and nicotine consumption is not illegal in Australia (not true for the world) and the usage of marijuana is legally permitted for recreational purposes.

There are people within the community whom will not use marijuana due to the legal penalty attached …therefore the magnitude of usage cannot be truly understood or how many people in the populace would choose to use marijuana or how profound the impact may or may not be as has been evident with alcohol and nicotine.

Not all people will disclose their marijuana usage and personal impacts for the fear of legal reprisals.

How do those differences get accounted for in such research projects?

My personal view is that the research could be biased due to lack of disclosure of the scope of usage.

People may not disclose the true amount they drink either but most people would at least disclose they smoke tobacco or alcohol.

Cannabis isn’t legally permitted in Australia for any purpose. In fact Australia is the only country(nation) in the world that refuses to allow cannabis seed as a foodstuff.

Any person attending a hospital where drugs are to be used, is asked what their usage of alcohol tobacco and cannabis is as well as that of other drugs. They are informed that this is for their health only and that the research isn’t handed over to the police. That the research is done to ensure that the anaethestist can do their job properly.

monkey skipper said:

Edits

and the usage of marijuana is NOT legally permitted for recreational purposes

Ah. ;)

It isn’t terribly frowned upon though. As the majority of the population don’t care if you smoke cannabis. It is only the law that does.

monkey skipper said:

roughbarked said:

monkey skipper said:

10% would be a lot of people in numbers presumably?

Nicotine changes the structure of the brain and constructs or perhaps forges the additional connections of the additional neural transmitters, therefore altering the neural structure of the brain.

Yes. 10% is 10% of the population of Australia.
Yes. that is what nicotine does and why the brain once having had it, wants more. The body would normally reject nicotine otherwise.

In the case of alcohol the brain has no control at all.

The brain has no control in the instance of alcohol?

I thought extended usage of alcohol suppresses a chemical being produced in the brain similar to longer term usages of vallium which suppresses a chemical in the brain with longer term usages and therefore there is point where alcohol consumption becomes a compulsion to satiate the imbalance within the brain chemistry?

NB I do not mean that the chemical for vallium and alcohol consumption are the same but rather the recognition that the long term usage of each can interrupt the brain hemistry which plays a significant role in the biological aspect of the addiction.

Yes. the more alcohol the more bain damage. It isn’t like what happens in the case of nicotine helping the brain to function.

roughbarked said:

monkey skipper said:

roughbarked said:

Yes. 10% is 10% of the population of Australia.
Yes. that is what nicotine does and why the brain once having had it, wants more. The body would normally reject nicotine otherwise.

In the case of alcohol the brain has no control at all.

The brain has no control in the instance of alcohol?

I thought extended usage of alcohol suppresses a chemical being produced in the brain similar to longer term usages of vallium which suppresses a chemical in the brain with longer term usages and therefore there is point where alcohol consumption becomes a compulsion to satiate the imbalance within the brain chemistry?

NB I do not mean that the chemical for vallium and alcohol consumption are the same but rather the recognition that the long term usage of each can interrupt the brain hemistry which plays a significant role in the biological aspect of the addiction.

Yes. the more alcohol the more bain damage. It isn’t like what happens in the case of nicotine helping the brain to function.

I did not state damage although relevant with regards to alcohol consumption in excess.

How is nicotine aiding the brain function?

monkey skipper said:

roughbarked said:

monkey skipper said:

The brain has no control in the instance of alcohol?

I thought extended usage of alcohol suppresses a chemical being produced in the brain similar to longer term usages of vallium which suppresses a chemical in the brain with longer term usages and therefore there is point where alcohol consumption becomes a compulsion to satiate the imbalance within the brain chemistry?

NB I do not mean that the chemical for vallium and alcohol consumption are the same but rather the recognition that the long term usage of each can interrupt the brain hemistry which plays a significant role in the biological aspect of the addiction.

Yes. the more alcohol the more bain damage. It isn’t like what happens in the case of nicotine helping the brain to function.

I did not state damage although relevant with regards to alcohol consumption in excess.

How is nicotine aiding the brain function?

The brain is assisted by the changes induced from nicotine, in that this increases the ability to order the catalogue, so to speak. If this was not the case then the brain would listen to the calls from the rst of the body to reject this toxin.

roughbarked said:

monkey skipper said:

roughbarked said:

Yes. the more alcohol the more bain damage. It isn’t like what happens in the case of nicotine helping the brain to function.

I did not state damage although relevant with regards to alcohol consumption in excess.

How is nicotine aiding the brain function?

The brain is assisted by the changes induced from nicotine, in that this increases the ability to order the catalogue, so to speak. If this was not the case then the brain would listen to the calls from the rst of the body to reject this toxin.

I do not agree with your logic.

monkey skipper said:

roughbarked said:

monkey skipper said:

I did not state damage although relevant with regards to alcohol consumption in excess.

How is nicotine aiding the brain function?

The brain is assisted by the changes induced from nicotine, in that this increases the ability to order the catalogue, so to speak. If this was not the case then the brain would listen to the calls from the rst of the body to reject this toxin.

I do not agree with your logic.

the pathways of the neural network aren’t immune responses is why I say illogical but in saying that something in cigarettes interferes with the immune systems capacity to recognise mutations in cells that can cause cancer in the body.

monkey skipper said:

roughbarked said:

monkey skipper said:

I did not state damage although relevant with regards to alcohol consumption in excess.

How is nicotine aiding the brain function?

The brain is assisted by the changes induced from nicotine, in that this increases the ability to order the catalogue, so to speak. If this was not the case then the brain would listen to the calls from the rst of the body to reject this toxin.

I do not agree with your logic.

OK. I’m not up with the current science on such things. However it is logical that if you want to quit smoking, the way to do it is to start up a dialogue with your brain. ie: when for example you brain says; after sex or with coffee or even with every visit to the loo is when you always have a cigarette, then this is when you tell your brain that this is only an excuse. That you actually don’t want a cigarette at any time so please stop making excuses for a cigarette.

monkey skipper said:

monkey skipper said:

roughbarked said:

The brain is assisted by the changes induced from nicotine, in that this increases the ability to order the catalogue, so to speak. If this was not the case then the brain would listen to the calls from the rst of the body to reject this toxin.

I do not agree with your logic.

the pathways of the neural network aren’t immune responses is why I say illogical but in saying that something in cigarettes interferes with the immune systems capacity to recognise mutations in cells that can cause cancer in the body.

I didn’t say that the immune system wasn’t rejecting it. I did say that the brain can overrule the immune system in that it tells you that you need a cigarette, don’t worry that you cough your guts up.

roughbarked said:

However it is logical that if you want to quit smoking, the way to do it is to start up a dialogue with your brain…

captain_spalding said:

Something only a stoner could think of.